Did Jesus Christ Sin? (Poll)

Is this actually irony? I don't know. I'm probably wrong >.>

Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

Rather that use "drive-bys" and strawmen, why not address the points I made?

Funky_Llama

Is this actually irony? I don't know. I'm probably wrong >.>

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

Is this actually irony? I don't know. I'm probably wrong >.>

LJS9502_basic

Did you pencil me in for that debate yet?

Did you pencil me in for that debate yet?

blackregiment

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

Is this actually irony? I don't know. I'm probably wrong >.>

LJS9502_basic

I still dont get where the irony is and why it is pointed out that much because judging by what I suspect you mean this is not a first-observed phenomenon here.... :P

Anyway BR using the theological definition of sin....do you believe this thread should have been made as it doesn't conform to said definition?

"I still dont get where the irony is and why it is pointed out that much because judging by what I suspect you mean this is not a first-observed phenomenon here.... :P"

Well...

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]That's great that naturalists claim that life created itself, but that doesn't take away from the fact that you have militantly tried to disprove the general concept of abiogenesis numerous times. It's very unbiblical of you, to argue against abiogenesis and the big bang theory though, seeing as the implication of the big bang theory is that the universe is finite, affirming Genesis 1, and that abiogenesis is described to be the method in which God created life (Although, the law of biogenesis quite clearly and adequately refutes the account of abiogenesis provided in a literal interpretation of Genesis 2:7).blackregiment

Here is what Jesus, the Messiah, said when faced with incorrect premises that elevate the words and speculations of man above the Word of God.

Mat 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the Scriptures, nor the power of God.

Rather that use "drive-bys" and strawmen, why not address the points I made?blackregiment

There it is =D

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

Did you pencil me in for that debate yet?

LJS9502_basic

I'll repeat myself.

We have danced around the fringes on a few things but I am talking about getting into the heart of the matter, the real meat of the issue, without a lot of posts in between, so nothing is missed.

Oh and by the way regarding your assertion that you have refuted certain minor point I have made, I disagree. You haven't even come close. If fact. The evidence I posted, right from Catholic Church documents, refuted your claim.

Anyway, that was just minor stuff. Let's get into some real meat.

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Funky_Llama

But yeah I am in for a good laugh... :P

There it is =D

Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

Did you pencil me in for that debate yet?

blackregiment

I'll repeat myself.

We have danced around the fringes on a few things but I am talking about getting into the heart of the matter, the real meat of the issue, without a lot of posts in between, so nothing is missed.

Oh and by the way regarding your assertion that you have refuted certain minor point I have made, I disagree. You haven't even come close. If fact. The evidence I posted, right from Catholic Church documents, refuted your claim.

Anyway, that was just minor stuff. Let's get into some real meat.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

Did you pencil me in for that debate yet?

blackregiment

I'll repeat myself.

We have danced around the fringes on a few things but I am talking about getting into the heart of the matter, the real meat of the issue, without a lot of posts in between, so nothing is missed.

Oh and by the way regarding your assertion that you have refuted certain minor point I have made, I disagree. You haven't even come close. If fact. The evidence I posted, right from Catholic Church documents, refuted your claim.

Anyway, that was just minor stuff. Let's get into some real meat.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

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Teenaged

But yeah I am in for a good laugh... :P

Oh noez that phrase reminds me of a song so suitable by I dare not post its lyrics... XD

Teenaged

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

Did you pencil me in for that debate yet?

I'll repeat myself.

We have danced around the fringes on a few things but I am talking about getting into the heart of the matter, the real meat of the issue, without a lot of posts in between, so nothing is missed.

Oh and by the way regarding your assertion that you have refuted certain minor point I have made, I disagree. You haven't even come close. If fact. The evidence I posted, right from Catholic Church documents, refuted your claim.

Anyway, that was just minor stuff. Let's get into some real meat.

Anyway BR using the theological definition of sin....do you believe this thread should have been made as it doesn't conform to said definition?

LJS9502_basic

I believe that the thread was valid because not everyone accepts the theological definition of sin that we may. The thread offered the opportunity for others to state, discuss, and defend, their beliefs on the issue, which from my understanding, is what they are encouraging in religious threads.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Anyway BR using the theological definition of sin....do you believe this thread should have been made as it doesn't conform to said definition?

blackregiment

I believe that the thread was valid because not everyone accepts the theological definition of sin that we may. The thread offered the opportunity for others to state, discuss, and defend, their beliefs on the issue, which from my understanding, is what they are encouraging in religious threads.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Again...we have debated. Why do you pretend we haven't? And for the record...what you have posted about Catholics I've refuted.

MetalGear_Ninty

I'll repeat myself.

We have danced around the fringes on a few things but I am talking about getting into the heart of the matter, the real meat of the issue, without a lot of posts in between, so nothing is missed.

Oh and by the way regarding your assertion that you have refuted certain minor point I have made, I disagree. You haven't even come close. If fact. The evidence I posted, right from Catholic Church documents, refuted your claim.

Anyway, that was just minor stuff. Let's get into some real meat.

Ah yes, I'll never forget that infamous blackregimentism. Sorry to see you leave the GU though. I've been thinking about leaving myself.

-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

Oh noez that phrase reminds me of a song so suitable by I dare not post its lyrics... XD

LJS9502_basic

I'll give the title with synonyms "One more slice of meat". Replace with other words where necessary.

Anyway... I'll leave it at that. :P

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

Ah yes, I'll never forget that infamous blackregimentism. Sorry to see you leave the GU though. I've been thinking about leaving myself.

Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

Ah yes, I'll never forget that infamous blackregimentism. Sorry to see you leave the GU though. I've been thinking about leaving myself.

LJS9502_basic

The Genesis Union.-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]The Genesis Union.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

Ah yes, I'll never forget that infamous blackregimentism. Sorry to see you leave the GU though. I've been thinking about leaving myself.

LJS9502_basic

Here.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Again...we have debated. Why do you pretend we haven't? And for the record...what you have posted about Catholics I've refuted.

MetalGear_Ninty

I'll repeat myself.

We have danced around the fringes on a few things but I am talking about getting into the heart of the matter, the real meat of the issue, without a lot of posts in between, so nothing is missed.

Oh and by the way regarding your assertion that you have refuted certain minor point I have made, I disagree. You haven't even come close. If fact. The evidence I posted, right from Catholic Church documents, refuted your claim.

Anyway, that was just minor stuff. Let's get into some real meat.

I'll try to explain why I used that reference.

The Bible speaks of spiritual meat from the Word of God. It teaches that when one is new in Christ, they learn the basic doctrines of Christianity, the milk. As they grow spiritually in their relationship with Christ and mature in the knowledge of His Word, in His wisdom, and in His Word, they are fed on spiritual meat. That is why I used that reference. Discussing the deeper doctrines of God's Word is discussing the real meat of Christianity.

Here are some verses that speak of spiritual meat.

Heb 5:12For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

Heb 5:13For every one that useth milk is unskillfull in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

Heb 5:14But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

1Co 3:1And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.

1Co 3:2I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able tobear it, neither yet now are ye able.

Genesis Union. It's a union run by and biased heavily in favour of Lansdowne5 & friends for the purpose of debating, and I use that term in its very loosest sense, creation vs. evolution. It's also, courtesy of BR, becoming more and more full of spam from sites where mouthbreathing fools attempt to 'do science' in order to prove creationism.

Here.

Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]You should, you'll never have to read another of the intellectual trainwrecks that the articles BR spams again :P

Funky_Llama

Here.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

Genesis Union. It's a union run by and biased heavily in favour of Lansdowne5 & friends for the purpose of debating, and I use that term in its very loosest sense, creation vs. evolution. It's also, courtesy of BR, becoming more and more full of spam from sites where mouthbreathing fools attempt to 'do science' in order to prove creationism.

Here.

LJS9502_basic

Exactly. It's just that some people have decided that The Bible must be 100% literally true... well, I'd get modded for posting my opinions of that :P.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

Genesis Union. It's a union run by and biased heavily in favour of Lansdowne5 & friends for the purpose of debating, and I use that term in its very loosest sense, creation vs. evolution. It's also, courtesy of BR, becoming more and more full of spam from sites where mouthbreathing fools attempt to 'do science' in order to prove creationism.

Here.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]What is the GU?

MetalGear_Ninty

Here.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

Genesis Union. It's a union run by and biased heavily in favour of Lansdowne5 & friends for the purpose of debating, and I use that term in its very loosest sense, creation vs. evolution. It's also, courtesy of BR, becoming more and more full of spam from sites where mouthbreathing fools attempt to 'do science' in order to prove creationism.

Here.

chessmaster1989

Exactly. It's just that some people have decided that The Bible must be 100% literally true... well, I'd get modded for posting my opinions of that :P.

Domatron, who is the token atheist :PFunky_Llama

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I don't understand the fear of evolution. It can and does coexist with God.

Teenaged

Exactly. It's just that some people have decided that The Bible must be 100% literally true... well, I'd get modded for posting my opinions of that :P.

Actually no matter how ironic it may sound, believeing in a strictly literal interpretation is the safe road. It leaves no room for argumentation. Once you state that everything is 100% literal you have laid a path for easy and clear propagation of ideas. No room for ambiguity, no room for doubt. Everything at face value. It eases the mind.

Teenaged

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Exactly. It's just that some people have decided that The Bible must be 100% literally true... well, I'd get modded for posting my opinions of that :P.

Funky_Llama

IAlso it requires no explanations whatsoever. If you have all the material being 100% stuck in a state of literal interpretation you need not explain. Thats why there are always Bible verses. There is nothing to explain, just reproduce. It gives you the safe spot to never really put a hard effort in doubting your beliefs and through that doubt making them fit better into your head, it just gives you a ready-to-use plan.

Teenaged

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

Actually no matter how ironic it may sound, believeing in a strictly literal interpretation is the safe road. It leaves no room for argumentation. Once you state that everything is 100% literal you have laid a path for easy and clear propagation of ideas. No room for ambiguity, no room for doubt. Everything at face value. It eases the mind.

LJS9502_basic

But the evangelists dont accept any interpretation efforts. For them there is no allegory in the Bible because for them allegory would mean that god was lying.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"] Domatron, who is the token atheist :P-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

IAlso it requires no explanations whatsoever. If you have all the material being 100% stuck in a state of literal interpretation you need not explain. Thats why there are always Bible verses. There is nothing to explain, just reproduce. It gives you the safe spot to never really put a hard effort in doubting your beliefs and through that doubt making them fit better into your head, it just gives you a ready-to-use plan.

LJS9502_basic

I know that.

But the evangelists dont accept any interpretation efforts. For them there is no allegory in the Bible because for them allegory would mean that god was lying.

Teenaged

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"] Domatron, who is the token atheist :Pdomatron23

Yep of course. Doubt is imo a very constructive proceedure.

Teenaged

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

I know that.

But the evangelists dont accept any interpretation efforts. For them there is no allegory in the Bible because for them allegory would mean that god was lying.

LJS9502_basic

Much like BR has said himself the Bible speaks to a special audience. Therefore proper means should be used in the foundation and the spread of the relgion.

[QUOTE="domatron23"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] :lol: Never thought of it that way :P-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

Yep of course. Doubt is imo a very constructive proceedure.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="iowastate"][QUOTE="blackregiment"]

I don't accept that premise. There are over 4000 Old Testament manuscripts or fragments. 25,000 New Testament manuscripts or fragments, thousands of lectionaries, numerous early Bible versions, and thousands of writings from the early Church leaders, that support the text we have today. In fact, the entire New Testament can be reconstructed, minus about a dozen verses from the writing of the early Church leaders, alone. This evidence supports the text we have today to an over 95% accuracy. The differences are mainly in punctuation and spelling and none of the differences affect any important Christian doctrine.

Here is some more information.

http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-corrupted.html

blackregiment

Here's a novel thought. no one asked you to "accept" anything.

That is your choice. You can also participate in the logical fallacies of poisoning the well and guilt by association if you choose to as well.

Have a nice day.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

Actually no matter how ironic it may sound, believeing in a strictly literal interpretation is the safe road. It leaves no room for argumentation. Once you state that everything is 100% literal you have laid a path for easy and clear propagation of ideas. No room for ambiguity, no room for doubt. Everything at face value. It eases the mind.

Teenaged

But the evangelists dont accept any interpretation efforts. For them there is no allegory in the Bible because for them allegory would mean that god was lying.

But of course. Symbolism and allegories are the most powerful ways to convey messages and "implant" basic notions to believers. I had a discussion with mindstorm in the AU in which I concluded that it is a necessity that scripture has allegorical use of language.

Much like BR has said himself the Bible speaks to a special audience. Therefore proper means should be used in the foundation and the spread of the relgion.

Teenaged