Did Rick Santorum almost let the N-word slip?

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#101 -Sun_Tzu-
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[QUOTE="DaBrainz"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="DaBrainz"] I take the approach of only judging politicians for what they do not what they say. He was in the KKK. He could of said he wasn't racist all he wanted to. It doesn't change any of his actions.

And what Robert Byrd did in his latter years was help aquire more funding for the MLK memorial, endorsed Barack Obama, and received a perfect rating from the NAACP based on his voting record. Robert Byrd lived a very long time, and he lived through one of the most tumultuous time periods in American history. He was on the wrong side of history then, but since then he's drastically changed his views on race, something that is reflected in his actions as senator later in his life. To use Robert Byrd as an example of racism in the modern democratic party is just lazy and a woeful distortion of the facts.

Wondering if you would come to his defense so quickly if he was republican.

If the facts were the same I would. But I don't know why you would try to insinuate that I wouldn't by bringing up that pointless hypothetical in the first place though.
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#102 nocoolnamejim
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Well not that i'm around people who say it a lot, i'm just old I guess :) Are these people prounouncing it wrong, sure they are but look at the list I made above and realize there's a thousand more words you could add to that which people say "oddly". So you asked if there's a word that sounded the same and yeah there is and it fits. I'm not Rick S. so I can't say for sure but in this case i'd give him the benifit of the doubt as by saying what I think he said it would help his campaign in a way. Saying what you think he said would be political suicide. Which do you think is more likely the intent if you're Rick S.?

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Regional pronunciation could have an impact I suppose, but then you have to consider who you're asking me to give the benefit of the doubt to. Here are a few other quotes from the former Senator. [quote="Rick Santorum"] "I don't want to make black people's lives better by giving them somebody else's money; I want to give them the opportunity to go out and earn the money."

[quote="Rick Santorum comparing homosexuality to pedophilia and bestiality"] "In every society, the definition of marriage has not ever to my knowledge included homosexuality. That's not to pick on homosexuality. It's not, you know, man on child, man on dog, or whatever the case may be."

I'd also believe his excuses if he hadn't BLATANTLY lied on what he's said about black people before. Caught red handed Look at the Atwater and Philips quotes I posted above. Just because conservatives don't come right out and say the N word typically anymore, doesn't mean they don't speak in dog whistles and don't still believe some of this. If Rick Santorum had a long history of tolerance, I'd be less inclined to believe he stopped just short of using the N word right there.
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#103 dercoo
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too bad the rebublicans let Santorum slip....

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#104 DaBrainz
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[QUOTE="DaBrainz"] Generalizations are bad and anti-intellectual. -Sun_Tzu-

In no way did I say that ALL Republicans are racist.nocoolnamejim

Reading comprehension.DaBrainz

So I can generalize all I want but as long as I throw (not all) at the end its OK? Democrats (not all) are stupid. Does that seem like a fair statement to you?
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#105 dave123321
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="DaBrainz"] Generalizations are bad and anti-intellectual. DaBrainz

In no way did I say that ALL Republicans are racist.nocoolnamejim

Reading comprehension.DaBrainz

So I can generalize all I want but as long as I throw (not all) at the end its OK? Democrats (not all) are stupid. Does that seem like a fair statement to you?

I like it.
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#106 -Sun_Tzu-
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="DaBrainz"] Generalizations are bad and anti-intellectual. DaBrainz

In no way did I say that ALL Republicans are racist.nocoolnamejim

Reading comprehension.DaBrainz

So I can generalize all I want but as long as I throw (not all) at the end its OK? Democrats (not all) are stupid. Does that seem like a fair statement to you?

Sure it does. In fact it's a view I hold personally.
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#107 branketra
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It sure sounded like it.
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#108 DaBrainz
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="DaBrainz"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] And what Robert Byrd did in his latter years was help aquire more funding for the MLK memorial, endorsed Barack Obama, and received a perfect rating from the NAACP based on his voting record. Robert Byrd lived a very long time, and he lived through one of the most tumultuous time periods in American history. He was on the wrong side of history then, but since then he's drastically changed his views on race, something that is reflected in his actions as senator later in his life. To use Robert Byrd as an example of racism in the modern democratic party is just lazy and a woeful distortion of the facts.

Wondering if you would come to his defense so quickly if he was republican.

If the facts were the same I would. But I don't know why you would try to insinuate that I wouldn't by bringing up that pointless hypothetical in the first place though.

Judging from your posts in most political threads it seems to me you have no interest other than to cheer for your team. No matter how wrong your team can be. Thats why I wonder but I already know the answer so nevermind.
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Sure it does. In fact it's a view I hold personally.

Yep. I'll cosign that. The problem that I have with your posts in this thread DaBrainz is that I threw down a TON of evidence that racism is well-within the mainstream of conservatism these days. I didn't generalize by just saying "Some conservatives are racist" and leave it at that. I quoted Administration officials from three different Republican presidents. I put up quotes from three different Republican presidential contenders. I presented evidence from some of the most popular and most followed Republican people in the media. I showed historical context and how a large bloc of states flipped when a race baiting strategy was employed by Republicans.

Basically, I showed a long list of supporting evidence from all-sectors of the Republican party right now and in every decade going back to the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act



I SUPPORTED my assertion. It's intellectually dishonest for you not to concede that my point that some of the conservative animosity towards the president is race based when I just dumped a mountain of evidence in your lap.
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#110 -Sun_Tzu-
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[QUOTE="DaBrainz"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="DaBrainz"] Wondering if you would come to his defense so quickly if he was republican.

If the facts were the same I would. But I don't know why you would try to insinuate that I wouldn't by bringing up that pointless hypothetical in the first place though.

Judging from your posts in most political threads it seems to me you have no interest other than to cheer for your team. No matter how wrong your team can be. Thats why I wonder but I already know the answer so nevermind.

I don't have a "team" to cheer for. If you think I'm an apologist for the Democratic party you really don't know what my politics are.
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Is anyone pronouncing DaBrainz name like da bears?

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Is anyone pronouncing DaBrainz name like da bears?

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#113 DaBrainz
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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Sure it does. In fact it's a view I hold personally.

Yep. I'll cosign that. The problem that I have with your posts in this thread DaBrainz is that I threw down a TON of evidence that racism is well-within the mainstream of conservatism these days. I didn't generalize by just saying "Some conservatives are racist" and leave it at that. I quoted Administration officials from three different Republican presidents. I put up quotes from three different Republican presidential contenders. I presented evidence from some of the most popular and most followed Republican people in the media. I showed historical context and how a large bloc of states flipped when a race baiting strategy was employed by Republicans.

Basically, I showed a long list of supporting evidence from all-sectors of the Republican party right now and in every decade going back to the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act I SUPPORTED my assertion. It's intellectually dishonest for you not to concede that my point that some of the conservative animosity towards the president is race based when I just dumped a mountain of evidence in your lap.

That is not evidence. You cannot prove your argument. How can you quantitate racism in a pool of 10s if not 100s of millions of people? I do not judge republicans by what Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh say anymore than I will judge Democrats by what Al Sharpton and Ed Shultz say. You would of made Jimmy Carter proud though. When people disagree just cry racisim.
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[QUOTE="Agent-Zero"]

Is anyone pronouncing DaBrainz name like da bears?

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daaa bears. daaaaa bulls

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#115 DaBrainz
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#116 coolbeans90
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lo, Ricky boy, you sure play the part of an open, closet racist.

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#117 Agent-Zero
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[QUOTE="Agent-Zero"]

Is anyone pronouncing DaBrainz name like da bears?

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Nooooooo... Sing it like Pinky and DaBrains brains brains

I like my way better.
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#118 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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Eh, don't think he was going to say it since it doesn't really make sense in the context. I'd guess he was going to say "negotiator".

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#119 the_plan_man
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While Santorum's not my guy, I don't think that's what he was trying to say. :?
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

I'm Catholic. I'm not from America, but reading the policies and views of all the presidential candidates, his views seem the most correctly ordered to the common good.

Speaking of Christian theocracies, here's what Catholic America would look like. You're probably thinking of a 'Christian theocracy' akin to Westboro Baptist Church crap. Santorum isn't like them. If he had it his way, it'd look like the one in that link.

FrozenLiquid

From your link:

"Human rights, then, are not arbitrary but conform to what God has given and allowed."

How is that not a theocracy? When you define the one and only parametre by which rights are granted, you ultimately define every aspect of life of the citizens.

You're confusing "christian theocracy" with "outrageous religious reign". Thus you feel that you can do away with the label. However, the term doesnt mean only that (yes people do use it in such a way sometimes). Therefore, what your link describes is pretty much a (Christian) theocracy.

Where did I say I do not advocate a Christian theocracy?

With the red, either you implicitely made a distinction between a christian theocracy and a "catholic america" or you assumed what the poster meant by "christian theocracy".

I was responding to the first option. So, I didnt say you said that either. I'm just disagreeing with the implied distinction.

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[QUOTE="DaBrainz"][QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Sure it does. In fact it's a view I hold personally.

Yep. I'll cosign that. The problem that I have with your posts in this thread DaBrainz is that I threw down a TON of evidence that racism is well-within the mainstream of conservatism these days. I didn't generalize by just saying "Some conservatives are racist" and leave it at that. I quoted Administration officials from three different Republican presidents. I put up quotes from three different Republican presidential contenders. I presented evidence from some of the most popular and most followed Republican people in the media. I showed historical context and how a large bloc of states flipped when a race baiting strategy was employed by Republicans.

Basically, I showed a long list of supporting evidence from all-sectors of the Republican party right now and in every decade going back to the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act I SUPPORTED my assertion. It's intellectually dishonest for you not to concede that my point that some of the conservative animosity towards the president is race based when I just dumped a mountain of evidence in your lap.

That is not evidence. You cannot prove your argument. How can you quantitate racism in a pool of 10s if not 100s of millions of people? I do not judge republicans by what Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh say anymore than I will judge Democrats by what Al Sharpton and Ed Shultz say. You would of made Jimmy Carter proud though. When people disagree just cry racisim.

It isn't evidence when you have some of the biggest names in conservative politics saying racist things and getting huge ratings and followings as a result? Rush Limbaugh has millions of listeners. He says racist stuff all the time. People don't stop listening and following him. Glenn Beck has some of the highest ratings in news. His books are routinely best sellers. He says racist things. People don't stop listening and following him. Rick Santorum has piled up millions of votes in the Republican primary. He says bigoted things towards gays and blacks. Newt Gingrich has piled up millions of votes in the Republican primary. He says bigoted things towards blacks. Ken Mehlman, Bush Jr's CAMPAIGN MANAGER, has openly stated that appeals to racist whites was how Republicans flipped the Southern States. Prior to him, folks like Atwater and Philips specifically said that there plan to win Southern states was to appeal to racism. AND IT WORKED. My evidence is that the thought leaders of the Republican Party, the ones that the party itself chooses to be it's standard bearers, are racist. Their views are popular within conservative circles. If you want to put your hands over your ears and ignore it all, I can't stop you. But I've presented it and I've proven my case.
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And my above will be my last post for a while. Work calls.
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

I'm Catholic. I'm not from America, but reading the policies and views of all the presidential candidates, his views seem the most correctly ordered to the common good.

Speaking of Christian theocracies, here's what Catholic America would look like. You're probably thinking of a 'Christian theocracy' akin to Westboro Baptist Church crap. Santorum isn't like them. If he had it his way, it'd look like the one in that link.

FrozenLiquid

Definitely a theocracy. No thanks.

Last time a Catholic theocracy occurred, Western civilization was built. I wouldn't mind that happening again, actually.

And ever since, western civilisation has evolved.

Catholic theocracy isnt magically forever relevant just because it coincided with the emerging western civilisation. And I emphasise on the "coincided" part because you'll have to carry out extensive research to prove some sort of causality behind this simple correlation.

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#124 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"] Last time a Catholic theocracy occurred, Western civilization was built. I wouldn't mind that happening again, actually.FrozenLiquid

Wasn't it when the Dark Ages where the Church ruled the countries? But regardless i would prefer to keep some of the rights that were given under the American constitution and not surrender it to Catholic interests.

Also, a catholic America would conflct with its own constitution.

Yes, the Catholic Church ruled many states during the Dark Ages. The Dark Ages occurred when European tribes destroyed what was once the Roman Empire. The Church saved as much as it could, converted the European tribes, and brought in the era of Scholasticism. Yeah, it's greatly understood that the American constitution greatly conflicts with a Catholic understanding of Church and State. It's not a Catholic thing to go and demolish a democracy, though. Democracies aren't intrinsically a moral evil.

Oh, so when historical events dont match your portayal of the Catholic church then they were definitely due to external factors, while when the historical events are positive then obviously the church had something to do with it.

I'm sold.

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Regional pronunciation could have an impact I suppose, but then you have to consider who you're asking me to give the benefit of the doubt to. Here are a few other quotes from the former Senator that he still stands behind. [quote="Rick Santorum"] "I don't want to make black people's lives better by giving them somebody else's money; I want to give them the opportunity to go out and earn the money." nocoolnamejim
"In every society, the definition of marriage has not ever to my knowledge included homosexuality. That's not to pick on homosexuality. It's not, you know, man on child, man on dog, or whatever the case may be." Rick Santorum comparing homosexuality to pedophilia and bestiality
I'd also believe his excuses if he hadn't BLATANTLY lied on what he's said about black people before. Caught red handed Look at the Atwater and Philips quotes I posted above. Just because conservatives don't come right out and say the N word typically anymore, doesn't mean they don't speak in dog whistles and don't still believe some of this. If Rick Santorum had a long history of tolerance, I'd be less inclined to believe he stopped just short of using the N word right there.

Wow, I must be horrable person, because I have to honestly say neither of those quotes seems all that bad to me. If I'm speaking about black people I would say, I don't want to give you my money but I want you to succeed on your own. Same as i'd say to white people, hispanics and chinese for that matter, hell the same as I do say to my own son. For your second quote according to his religion and the Bible God wasn't near as lienient in events like say Sodom and Gamorah. So yeah, it's crass I agree but he's not saying it's man on child or man on animal. He is simply saying the term marraige is one guy one girl, didn't say that any other word couldn't mean the same type of union between two people, just that word marraige has not only biblical but historical significance to "that" situation. It's like having to clubs, the married club and the whatever you want to call it club. Both are pretty much the same but one says it's got to be guy/girl and the other doesn't.

I'm not against homosexuals having every benifit as a married couple (exactly every benifit for all I care) but I do think marraige is a term for man/woman because that's just what it's always meant. Does that make me a bad person? I hope not. In some crazy way it would be like an Italian person one day saying "i'm canadian", why sir are you canadian? Well, I just decided I want to use that term, what's the big deal. But you're not from Canada right? No but i'm Canadian. But it's always been to be Canadian you have to be from Canada? Or if someone wanted to say I'm Morman, but he didn't fit the morman outlines. Bottom line, it's just a word, but it's a word that has significance and meaning to huge amount of people that differs from what it's been pushed for in the last however long. Marraige had for a long long long time signified man marries woman that's all. Sometimes I think we've become to PC for our own good. I'll end with I have zero zero against homosexual people, i've known (know) some really great ones and I just don't see this as bad that I don't think they should be "married". I think they should pick a name that means marraige between two of the same gender, get all the same perks and downfalls and be good with it. Maybe I don't understand "why" they want to adopt a term that means two of the opposite sex are brought together as marraige does if it didn't fit within the current definition of marraige. Again if it's the process and what it means to them spiritually they would understand that I'd think, and if it's for another reason then why care what word is used?

I don't know, I could be wrong I guess and looking at it from completely the wrong side. I just don't see it. Was going to be done but then I thought about it, a better example would be if an all male football team decided to join a co-ed football league where the guidelines said you were to have guys and girls on your team. If that was the rules for being in the league then you didn't qualify. Now there's nothing stopping you from making or joining the the "any gender" football league that says it can be any mix you want and would be exactly the same type of football just with that restriction loosend on the qualifications. Does that make sense. P.S. I wouldn't cry myself to sleep if Homosexuals got to be married, I personally don't care that much because i'm not that old fashioned or religious. My arguement is more with the use of a word that has religous and historical overtones, I don't know why that needs to be messed with. It seems like it's just to throw salt in some peoples eyes. Again I admit I could be missing something and wrong and just clueless on what the big deal is.

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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="DaBrainz"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] If the facts were the same I would. But I don't know why you would try to insinuate that I wouldn't by bringing up that pointless hypothetical in the first place though.

Judging from your posts in most political threads it seems to me you have no interest other than to cheer for your team. No matter how wrong your team can be. Thats why I wonder but I already know the answer so nevermind.

I don't have a "team" to cheer for. If you think I'm an apologist for the Democratic party you really don't know what my politics are.

I mean this in the most nicest way but you are a liar.
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="DaBrainz"] Judging from your posts in most political threads it seems to me you have no interest other than to cheer for your team. No matter how wrong your team can be. Thats why I wonder but I already know the answer so nevermind.DaBrainz
I don't have a "team" to cheer for. If you think I'm an apologist for the Democratic party you really don't know what my politics are.

I mean this in the most nicest way but you are a liar.

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[QUOTE="DaBrainz"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] I don't have a "team" to cheer for. If you think I'm an apologist for the Democratic party you really don't know what my politics are. Joshywaa

I mean this in the most nicest way but you are a liar.

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#129 Joshywaa
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i hope barack obama wins becuz he's an atheist

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lo, Ricky boy, you sure play the part of an open, closet racist.

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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="DaBrainz"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] If the facts were the same I would. But I don't know why you would try to insinuate that I wouldn't by bringing up that pointless hypothetical in the first place though. DaBrainz
Judging from your posts in most political threads it seems to me you have no interest other than to cheer for your team. No matter how wrong your team can be. Thats why I wonder but I already know the answer so nevermind.

I don't have a "team" to cheer for. If you think I'm an apologist for the Democratic party you really don't know what my politics are.

I mean this in the most nicest way but you are a liar.

If you think I'm an apologist for the Democratic party you really don't know what my politics are.-Sun_Tzu-

Being critical of the GOP =/= being a Democratic fanboy. I have no home in the Democratic party; I am a mere tenant. The moment there is proportional representation in this country I will abandon the Democratic party as fast as humanly possible.

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#132 pie-junior
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proportional representation

-Sun_Tzu-

That is such a bad idea.

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#133 Joshywaa
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[QUOTE="DaBrainz"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Judging from your posts in most political threads it seems to me you have no interest other than to cheer for your team. No matter how wrong your team can be. Thats why I wonder but I already know the answer so nevermind.-Sun_Tzu-

I don't have a "team" to cheer for. If you think I'm an apologist for the Democratic party you really don't know what my politics are.

I mean this in the most nicest way but you are a liar.

If you think I'm an apologist for the Democratic party you really don't know what my politics are.-Sun_Tzu-

Being critical of the GOP =/= being a Democratic fanboy. I have no home in the Democratic party; I am a mere tenant. The moment there is proportional representation in this country I will abandon the Democratic party as fast as humanly possible.

Well it seems that I've prematurely shot my wad on what was suppose to be a dry run, if you will, so I seem to have a bit of a mess on my hands

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#135 Dark_Knight6
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I doubt he was going to drop a racial slur in the middle of a speech but at the same time, I doubt his intentions matter at this point with so many people thinking that he nearly did.

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#136 surrealnumber5
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no fan of frothy, but i am also no fan of hit peices. bad thread is bad
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#138 Bucked20
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Guess he forgot he wasn't at a KKK rally
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#139 PSN-SCRODE
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Huge lol's to be had at his expense. That's one big slip.Hubadubalubahu
Lets see if the media jumps on it, or try and sweep it under the rug
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#140 Hubadubalubahu
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[QUOTE="DaBrainz"][QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Sure it does. In fact it's a view I hold personally.

Yep. I'll cosign that. The problem that I have with your posts in this thread DaBrainz is that I threw down a TON of evidence that racism is well-within the mainstream of conservatism these days. I didn't generalize by just saying "Some conservatives are racist" and leave it at that. I quoted Administration officials from three different Republican presidents. I put up quotes from three different Republican presidential contenders. I presented evidence from some of the most popular and most followed Republican people in the media. I showed historical context and how a large bloc of states flipped when a race baiting strategy was employed by Republicans.

Basically, I showed a long list of supporting evidence from all-sectors of the Republican party right now and in every decade going back to the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act I SUPPORTED my assertion. It's intellectually dishonest for you not to concede that my point that some of the conservative animosity towards the president is race based when I just dumped a mountain of evidence in your lap.

That is not evidence. You cannot prove your argument. How can you quantitate racism in a pool of 10s if not 100s of millions of people? I do not judge republicans by what Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh say anymore than I will judge Democrats by what Al Sharpton and Ed Shultz say. You would of made Jimmy Carter proud though. When people disagree just cry racisim.

Let's hope you never have to write a research paper. You may have to support your claims with sources! Eeek. Do you actually have any opinion or do any research on politics because what I just read from your entire debate it sounds like you are just talking out your ass and "refuting" evidence with opinion. Stop listening to your dad rant about Obama at the dinner table and do some reading on the democratic and republican parties and create your own opinion. You ignore every source given and just keep yapping. If you have a view support it, thats just good politics. Unless you just want to keep covering your ears and saying "I CANT HEAR YOU! YOUR WRONG IM RIGHT!"
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#141 DaBrainz
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[QUOTE="Hubadubalubahu"][QUOTE="DaBrainz"][QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] Yep. I'll cosign that. The problem that I have with your posts in this thread DaBrainz is that I threw down a TON of evidence that racism is well-within the mainstream of conservatism these days. I didn't generalize by just saying "Some conservatives are racist" and leave it at that. I quoted Administration officials from three different Republican presidents. I put up quotes from three different Republican presidential contenders. I presented evidence from some of the most popular and most followed Republican people in the media. I showed historical context and how a large bloc of states flipped when a race baiting strategy was employed by Republicans.

Basically, I showed a long list of supporting evidence from all-sectors of the Republican party right now and in every decade going back to the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act I SUPPORTED my assertion. It's intellectually dishonest for you not to concede that my point that some of the conservative animosity towards the president is race based when I just dumped a mountain of evidence in your lap.

That is not evidence. You cannot prove your argument. How can you quantitate racism in a pool of 10s if not 100s of millions of people? I do not judge republicans by what Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh say anymore than I will judge Democrats by what Al Sharpton and Ed Shultz say. You would of made Jimmy Carter proud though. When people disagree just cry racisim.

Let's hope you never have to write a research paper. You may have to support your claims with sources! Eeek. Do you actually have any opinion or do any research on politics because what I just read from your entire debate it sounds like you are just talking out your ass and "refuting" evidence with opinion. Stop listening to your dad rant about Obama at the dinner table and do some reading on the democratic and republican parties and create your own opinion. You ignore every source given and just keep yapping. If you have a view support it, thats just good politics. Unless you just want to keep covering your ears and saying "I CANT HEAR YOU! YOUR WRONG IM RIGHT!"

I wasn't making a positive claim so there is nothing to prove. I was pointing out holes in an argument. BTW I make a living writing research papers.
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#142 Hubadubalubahu
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[QUOTE="Hubadubalubahu"]Huge lol's to be had at his expense. That's one big slip.PSN-SCRODE
Lets see if the media jumps on it, or try and sweep it under the rug

I would give him benefit of the doubt but he frequently says borderline racist crap all the time and ocaasionly outright racist crap. Plus you can see the fear in his eyes lol, its like a deer caught in the headlights. But who knows.
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#143 wis3boi
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[QUOTE="PSN-SCRODE"][QUOTE="Hubadubalubahu"]Huge lol's to be had at his expense. That's one big slip.Hubadubalubahu
Lets see if the media jumps on it, or try and sweep it under the rug

I would give him benefit of the doubt but he frequently says borderline racist crap all the time and ocaasionly outright racist crap. Plus you can see the fear in his eyes lol, its like a deer caught in the headlights. But who knows.

regardless of what he really meant to say, this will not end well at all
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#144 Hubadubalubahu
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[QUOTE="DaBrainz"][QUOTE="Hubadubalubahu"][QUOTE="DaBrainz"] That is not evidence. You cannot prove your argument. How can you quantitate racism in a pool of 10s if not 100s of millions of people? I do not judge republicans by what Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh say anymore than I will judge Democrats by what Al Sharpton and Ed Shultz say. You would of made Jimmy Carter proud though. When people disagree just cry racisim.

Let's hope you never have to write a research paper. You may have to support your claims with sources! Eeek. Do you actually have any opinion or do any research on politics because what I just read from your entire debate it sounds like you are just talking out your ass and "refuting" evidence with opinion. Stop listening to your dad rant about Obama at the dinner table and do some reading on the democratic and republican parties and create your own opinion. You ignore every source given and just keep yapping. If you have a view support it, thats just good politics. Unless you just want to keep covering your ears and saying "I CANT HEAR YOU! YOUR WRONG IM RIGHT!"

I wasn't making a positive claim so there is nothing to prove. I was pointing out holes in an argument. BTW I make a living writing research papers.

You live in a box? Your skills aren't being adeptly applied here that much is evident. Even when trying to point out holes in an argument it helps to have sources or some sort of counterexample to be able to refute claims.
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#145 Serraph105
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[QUOTE="DaBrainz"][QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] Yep. I'll cosign that. The problem that I have with your posts in this thread DaBrainz is that I threw down a TON of evidence that racism is well-within the mainstream of conservatism these days. I didn't generalize by just saying "Some conservatives are racist" and leave it at that. I quoted Administration officials from three different Republican presidents. I put up quotes from three different Republican presidential contenders. I presented evidence from some of the most popular and most followed Republican people in the media. I showed historical context and how a large bloc of states flipped when a race baiting strategy was employed by Republicans.

Basically, I showed a long list of supporting evidence from all-sectors of the Republican party right now and in every decade going back to the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act I SUPPORTED my assertion. It's intellectually dishonest for you not to concede that my point that some of the conservative animosity towards the president is race based when I just dumped a mountain of evidence in your lap. Hubadubalubahu
That is not evidence. You cannot prove your argument. How can you quantitate racism in a pool of 10s if not 100s of millions of people? I do not judge republicans by what Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh say anymore than I will judge Democrats by what Al Sharpton and Ed Shultz say. You would of made Jimmy Carter proud though. When people disagree just cry racisim.

Let's hope you never have to write a research paper. You may have to support your claims with sources! Eeek. Do you actually have any opinion or do any research on politics because what I just read from your entire debate it sounds like you are just talking out your ass and "refuting" evidence with opinion. Stop listening to your dad rant about Obama at the dinner table and do some reading on the democratic and republican parties and create your own opinion. You ignore every source given and just keep yapping. If you have a view support it, thats just good politics. Unless you just want to keep covering your ears and saying "I CANT HEAR YOU! YOUR WRONG IM RIGHT!"

you ever been to a website that is less debate and just bashing of either political party? There seems to be quite a lot of the "I CANT HEAR YOU! YOUR WRONG IM RIGHT!" method going on.

for instance. http://www.facebook.com/RepJohnFleming this guy has basically turned his facebook page into exactly that. he even talks to people to "debate" them.

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#146 DaBrainz
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[QUOTE="Hubadubalubahu"] You live in a box? Your skills aren't being adeptly applied here that much is evident. Even when trying to point out holes in an argument it helps to have sources or some sort of counterexample to be able to refute claims.

One does not need a source to identify a strawman.
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#147 Hubadubalubahu
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[QUOTE="DaBrainz"][QUOTE="Hubadubalubahu"] You live in a box? Your skills aren't being adeptly applied here that much is evident. Even when trying to point out holes in an argument it helps to have sources or some sort of counterexample to be able to refute claims.

One does not need a source to identify a strawman.

Haha alright bud have it your way. Baseless claims will get you far i'm sure. Have fun calling the kettle black.
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#148 KamuiFei
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And then there's the Ron Paul newsletters...nocoolnamejim

Sorry Jim, but I have to correct you on this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GWff8ay5v4&feature=related

Ron Paul had nothing to do with those newsletters.

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#149 Pikdum
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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]And then there's the Ron Paul newsletters...KamuiFei

Ron Paul had nothing to do with those newsletters.

Seriously.

There is absolutely NO evidence that suggests he wrote it. All it takes is one person to write something like that under his name and the media will bother him about that for the next 20+ years.

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#150 MrPraline
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Dr. Paul didn't write those newsletters.