Do you agree smoking should be forbidden in all public places?

[QUOTE="Sensui1986"][QUOTE="jealentus"]I highly doubt any of you have gottten sick off of somebody else's smoke. I personally don't smoke but I'm not a little whining baby about someone who does smoke. I was an asthmatic, I've grown out of it for the most part, but come on, smokers are voluntarily paying excise taxes which makes it cheaper for you non-smokers. Go cry.jealentus

[QUOTE="FlameMe"]no I do not agree. I hate smoking, but I believe in preserving freedoms. There should definitely be a non smoking area in all restaurants but not in bars. if you dont like it dont go.murlow12

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[QUOTE="jealentus"]I highly doubt any of you have gottten sick off of somebody else's smoke. I personally don't smoke but I'm not a little whining baby about someone who does smoke. I was an asthmatic, I've grown out of it for the most part, but come on, smokers are voluntarily paying excise taxes which makes it cheaper for you non-smokers. Go cry.murlow12

I do smoke, just wanted to say I wish there were more ppl like you. I generally keep ppl like you in mind when I'm smoking and they don't like it. Kudo's for not treating smokers like some sort of criminal

The adverse health effects caused from smokers is a drop in the bucket compared to the cumulative negative effects of the noxious fumes that come from cars/trucks/SUV's, and smoke stacks from factories that all contribute to smog each and every day. Are you saying that everyone who drives a car, or gets driven around in a car is a criminal too? Because that would probably include you as well. Get off your high horse...

Depending on where you live that already is the case in a lot of places...It is where I live anyway.megagene

I totally agree, I don't want to be a third party smoker, I know someone at my school who almost got cancer, but he never smoked a cigarette, just breathing in smoke.hittin

[QUOTE="murlow12"][QUOTE="megagene"][QUOTE="murlow12"][QUOTE="Apenoot"]

[QUOTE="jealentus"]I highly doubt any of you have gottten sick off of somebody else's smoke. I personally don't smoke but I'm not a little whining baby about someone who does smoke. I was an asthmatic, I've grown out of it for the most part, but come on, smokers are voluntarily paying excise taxes which makes it cheaper for you non-smokers. Go cry.ROLFCHANK

I do smoke, just wanted to say I wish there were more ppl like you. I generally keep ppl like you in mind when I'm smoking and they don't like it. Kudo's for not treating smokers like some sort of criminal

The adverse health effects caused from smokers is a drop in the bucket compared to the cumulative negative effects of the noxious fumes that come from cars/trucks/SUV's, and smoke stacks from factories that all contribute to smog each and every day. Are you saying that everyone who drives a car, or gets driven around in a car is a criminal too? Because that would probably include you as well. Get off your high horse...

I love how so many ignorant ppl blame ALL cases of cancer on smoking. Some dude wrote an article about second hand smoke, and suddenly all hell breaks loose.

First of all: second hand smoke is overrated. While it may be more toxic than normal cigarette smoke, ppl also tend to inhale FAR smaller amounts of second hand smoke than smokers do 'regular' smoke. Unless you're chasing after smokers all day just to be annoying and ask if they can go stand somewhere else. A bit of smoke never killed anyone. Disagree? You may never eat a hamburger again (moderation = key after all)

Second: the argument 'smokers can possibly damage my health if I'm around them' is BS, when you are around drunk ppl, the same argument applies. After all, drunks have a much bigger chance of becoming agressive and attacking you. Or driving home in their cars (even though it's illegal, but hey they're drunk so half of them won't care). So lets ban both smoking AND alcohol from bars!! Motorcycles should be banned aswell: much bigger chance of an accident.

Third: to the guy saying he couldn't find a smoke-free bar... Apparantly there's no demand for smoke free bars. Why would that be I wonder? Surely they should be a big succes if smoking truly is such a turn off.

Let me finish my lovely rant by saying that the current anti smoker razia's are nothing but a trend (I mean, nobody really made a deal out of smoking in bars, and some gouvernment guy waves around some vague scientific lab report and suddenly everyone 'knowns' about the dangers of passive smoking and how evil smokers are), and it will pass in a while. Amen.

If there is one thing I can learn from this thread, is that non-smokers that have never smoked are very uptight.lord_mordain

If there is one thing I can learn from this thread, is that non-smokers that have never smoked are very uptight.lord_mordain

[QUOTE="lord_mordain"]If there is one thing I can learn from this thread, is that non-smokers that have never smoked are very uptight.murlow12

[QUOTE="murlow12"][QUOTE="ROLFCHANK"][QUOTE="murlow12"][QUOTE="megagene"][QUOTE="murlow12"][QUOTE="Apenoot"]

[QUOTE="jealentus"]I highly doubt any of you have gottten sick off of somebody else's smoke. I personally don't smoke but I'm not a little whining baby about someone who does smoke. I was an asthmatic, I've grown out of it for the most part, but come on, smokers are voluntarily paying excise taxes which makes it cheaper for you non-smokers. Go cry.ROLFCHANK

I do smoke, just wanted to say I wish there were more ppl like you. I generally keep ppl like you in mind when I'm smoking and they don't like it. Kudo's for not treating smokers like some sort of criminal

The adverse health effects caused from smokers is a drop in the bucket compared to the cumulative negative effects of the noxious fumes that come from cars/trucks/SUV's, and smoke stacks from factories that all contribute to smog each and every day. Are you saying that everyone who drives a car, or gets driven around in a car is a criminal too? Because that would probably include you as well. Get off your high horse...

[QUOTE="lord_mordain"]If there is one thing I can learn from this thread, is that non-smokers that have never smoked are very uptight.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="murlow12"][QUOTE="lord_mordain"]If there is one thing I can learn from this thread, is that non-smokers that have never smoked are very uptight.ROLFCHANK

[QUOTE="ROLFCHANK"][QUOTE="murlow12"][QUOTE="ROLFCHANK"][QUOTE="murlow12"][QUOTE="megagene"][QUOTE="murlow12"][QUOTE="Apenoot"]

[QUOTE="jealentus"]I highly doubt any of you have gottten sick off of somebody else's smoke. I personally don't smoke but I'm not a little whining baby about someone who does smoke. I was an asthmatic, I've grown out of it for the most part, but come on, smokers are voluntarily paying excise taxes which makes it cheaper for you non-smokers. Go cry.murlow12

I do smoke, just wanted to say I wish there were more ppl like you. I generally keep ppl like you in mind when I'm smoking and they don't like it. Kudo's for not treating smokers like some sort of criminal

The adverse health effects caused from smokers is a drop in the bucket compared to the cumulative negative effects of the noxious fumes that come from cars/trucks/SUV's, and smoke stacks from factories that all contribute to smog each and every day. Are you saying that everyone who drives a car, or gets driven around in a car is a criminal too? Because that would probably include you as well. Get off your high horse...

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="lord_mordain"]If there is one thing I can learn from this thread, is that non-smokers that have never smoked are very uptight.ROLFCHANK

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="lord_mordain"]If there is one thing I can learn from this thread, is that non-smokers that have never smoked are very uptight.ROLFCHANK

[QUOTE="ROLFCHANK"][QUOTE="murlow12"][QUOTE="lord_mordain"]If there is one thing I can learn from this thread, is that non-smokers that have never smoked are very uptight.murlow12

[QUOTE="ROLFCHANK"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="lord_mordain"]If there is one thing I can learn from this thread, is that non-smokers that have never smoked are very uptight.quiglythegreat

[QUOTE="ROLFCHANK"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="lord_mordain"]If there is one thing I can learn from this thread, is that non-smokers that have never smoked are very uptight.LJS9502_basic

good point. would you have a problem with local governments prohibiting restaurants from selling food that is too high in calories? red meat? these things are even worse than secondhand smoke, because you can SEE the smoke. people are too stupid and ignorant to know that lots of calories and red meat can be bad for them. or is that going too far? obviously allowing people to smoke in a restaurant is exactly like allowing a restaurant to encourage its workers to take a leak in your soup before you get it. brilliant. ROLFCHANK

I see....so if it may affect you then it's okay for the government to step in...however, if it curtails your activities then they shouldn't.  Hypocrite much?

The analogy between calories and smoke is as bad as the analogy between alcohol and smoke.  Smoke is harmful to those around the smoker.  The drinker...or the person eating a high calorie meal are only hurting themselves....if, in fact, it's found to be harming anyone.  Only eating meat once or twice a year hurts no one.  And alcohol used responsibly has health benefits.:wink:

There is a difference between self harm and infliction of harm onto others that do not desire said harm.

[QUOTE="ROLFCHANK"]good point. would you have a problem with local governments prohibiting restaurants from selling food that is too high in calories? red meat? these things are even worse than secondhand smoke, because you can SEE the smoke. people are too stupid and ignorant to know that lots of calories and red meat can be bad for them. or is that going too far? obviously allowing people to smoke in a restaurant is exactly like allowing a restaurant to encourage its workers to take a leak in your soup before you get it. brilliant. LJS9502_basic

I see....so if it may affect you then it's okay for the government to step in...however, if it curtails your activities then they shouldn't. Hypocrite much?

The analogy between calories and smoke is as bad as the analogy between alcohol and smoke. Smoke is harmful to those around the smoker. The drinker...or the person eating a high calorie meal are only hurting themselves....if, in fact, it's found to be harming anyone. Only eating meat once or twice a year hurts no one. And alcohol used responsibly has health benefits.:wink:

There is a difference between self harm and infliction of harm onto others that do not desire said harm.

no, but i am sarcastic much. i cant imagine that that wasnt painfully obvious. i do recognize the distinction. however, i think that these kinds of laws are starting us down a path whereby the government will be able to regulate any old thing it wants after too long in the name of health or public benefit. true, there is an argument that secondhand smoke is harming others and bad food harms only the individual, but then we can start arguing that, just as smokers are "pushing" smoke on nonsmokers, restaurants and bars are "pushing" unhealthy food, etc. on "unwitting" customers. those customers, just as nonsmokers, are free to exercise their intellect and will and decide not to eat that food, or not to go into a bar where people are smoking. period. i don't necessarily think that this decimation of freedom across the board will happen, but i'd rather not go down that road, because it is certainly plausible. ROLFCHANK

The government is not taking aware your right to smoke.  Just taking away the second hand smoke from others.  It shouldn't really be a big deal.  How hard is it to excuse yourself....go outside and have a smoke?

and let me again register my skepticism about any claims that secondhand smoke causes health problems. i watched the episode of penn and teller's bullsh*t on it, and they did a pretty good job of pointing out how anti-smoke groups have taken "studies" totally out of context, made things up, and conjured up a bunch of hysteria; they also interviewed a number of esteemed medical researchers who said that a link between secondhand smoke and cancer, etc. is untenable according to existing research. i know it was a 30-minute tv show. however, i am skeptical, as i was before i saw it. ROLFCHANK

[QUOTE="ROLFCHANK"]and let me again register my skepticism about any claims that secondhand smoke causes health problems. i watched the episode of penn and teller's bullsh*t on it, and they did a pretty good job of pointing out how anti-smoke groups have taken "studies" totally out of context, made things up, and conjured up a bunch of hysteria; they also interviewed a number of esteemed medical researchers who said that a link between secondhand smoke and cancer, etc. is untenable according to existing research. i know it was a 30-minute tv show. however, i am skeptical, as i was before i saw it. LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="ROLFCHANK"]no, but i am sarcastic much. i cant imagine that that wasnt painfully obvious. i do recognize the distinction. however, i think that these kinds of laws are starting us down a path whereby the government will be able to regulate any old thing it wants after too long in the name of health or public benefit. true, there is an argument that secondhand smoke is harming others and bad food harms only the individual, but then we can start arguing that, just as smokers are "pushing" smoke on nonsmokers, restaurants and bars are "pushing" unhealthy food, etc. on "unwitting" customers. those customers, just as nonsmokers, are free to exercise their intellect and will and decide not to eat that food, or not to go into a bar where people are smoking. period. i don't necessarily think that this decimation of freedom across the board will happen, but i'd rather not go down that road, because it is certainly plausible. LJS9502_basic

The government is not taking aware your right to smoke. Just taking away the second hand smoke from others. It shouldn't really be a big deal. How hard is it to excuse yourself....go outside and have a smoke?

Ban smoking everywhere

I'm ok with most non smoking laws... I don't like the bar ones though, most people who don't smoke will smoke when they go out to drink. Around here they have "clubs" where you can go and drink and be able to smoke inside, but I think it should be the other way around when it comes to bars (especially after a certain hour when food is no longer being served) because a majority of the people that go to the bar smoke. Sure 2nd hand smoke may cause cancer, but it's not like "fresh air" doesn't have carcinogens as well...Dipsomania

[QUOTE="Dipsomania"]I'm ok with most non smoking laws... I don't like the bar ones though, most people who don't smoke will smoke when they go out to drink. Around here they have "clubs" where you can go and drink and be able to smoke inside, but I think it should be the other way around when it comes to bars (especially after a certain hour when food is no longer being served) because a majority of the people that go to the bar smoke. Sure 2nd hand smoke may cause cancer, but it's not like "fresh air" doesn't have carcinogens as well...LJS9502_basic