Do you agree smoking should be forbidden in all public places?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Dipsomania"]I'm ok with most non smoking laws... I don't like the bar ones though, most people who don't smoke will smoke when they go out to drink. Around here they have "clubs" where you can go and drink and be able to smoke inside, but I think it should be the other way around when it comes to bars (especially after a certain hour when food is no longer being served) because a majority of the people that go to the bar smoke. Sure 2nd hand smoke may cause cancer, but it's not like "fresh air" doesn't have carcinogens as well...ROLFCHANK

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="ROLFCHANK"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="lord_mordain"]If there is one thing I can learn from this thread, is that non-smokers that have never smoked are very uptight.ROLFCHANK

Nope....LJS9502_basic

I was making a general comment....not arguing with him. However, the percentage of smokers is less than the percentage of nonsmokers.LJS9502_basic

With public places I mean, pubs, restaurants, snackbars, sportscentres,...

Anyway I hate it when people smoke when I'm close to them, I have astma and the smoke takes a huge impact on my lungs.
I love sports and I worked a lot to improve my condition, but when someone smokes near me, I can still feel the impact 2 hours later.
Also Babies get sick from the smoke comming from the sigaret.
Pragnent woman breathing in smoke have higher chance of having a baby with bronchitis or astma.
Also nobody likes when someone is smoking nearby where you are eating.

Why do people start smoking in the first place?
Sensui1986

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Nope....Dipsomania

I was making a general comment....not arguing with him. However, the percentage of smokers is less than the percentage of nonsmokers.LJS9502_basic

Casual smokers?  If there is such a thing it would be a very small percentage.  Smoking is highly addictive...so one is not casual about it.  Again.....smokers are a smaller percentage of the population.  Most people that smoke when drinking were smokers back in the day and the alcohol brings back the craving.  But regular non smokers don't smoke just because they were drinking....and no, there is no reason to lie about smoking on a survey.:roll:

Doesn't matter whether smoking is only one way to get sick....it shouldn't be an issue for non smokers.  Why is it so hard for a smoker to get up and go outside for a minute for his fix?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Nope....Dipsomania

I was making a general comment....not arguing with him. However, the percentage of smokers is less than the percentage of nonsmokers.LJS9502_basic

Casual smokers?  If there is such a thing it would be a very small percentage.  Smoking is highly addictive...so one is not casual about it.  Again.....smokers are a smaller percentage of the population.  Most people that smoke when drinking were smokers back in the day and the alcohol brings back the craving.  But regular non smokers don't smoke just because they were drinking....and no, there is no reason to lie about smoking on a survey.:roll:

Doesn't matter whether smoking is only one way to get sick....it shouldn't be an issue for non smokers.  Why is it so hard for a smoker to get up and go outside for a minute for his fix?LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Dipsomania"]I'm ok with most non smoking laws... I don't like the bar ones though, most people who don't smoke will smoke when they go out to drink. Around here they have "clubs" where you can go and drink and be able to smoke inside, but I think it should be the other way around when it comes to bars (especially after a certain hour when food is no longer being served) because a majority of the people that go to the bar smoke. Sure 2nd hand smoke may cause cancer, but it's not like "fresh air" doesn't have carcinogens as well...ROLFCHANK

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Casual smokers?  If there is such a thing it would be a very small percentage.  Smoking is highly addictive...so one is not casual about it.  Again.....smokers are a smaller percentage of the population.  Most people that smoke when drinking were smokers back in the day and the alcohol brings back the craving.  But regular non smokers don't smoke just because they were drinking....and no, there is no reason to lie about smoking on a survey.:roll:

Doesn't matter whether smoking is only one way to get sick....it shouldn't be an issue for non smokers.  Why is it so hard for a smoker to get up and go outside for a minute for his fix?Dipsomania

Links?  You keep posting your personal thoughts but you have yet to provide evidence.  As for bias....that shows in your posts.  You smoke and drink and want to continue to do so without inconvenience to yourself.  None of your posts have been unbiased.  Attacking me personally won't get you anywhere.

Non smokers do NOT as a rule smoke because they are drinking.  That is a fact.:roll:

[Links?  You keep posting your personal thoughts but you have yet to provide evidence.  As for bias....that shows in your posts.  You smoke and drink and want to continue to do so without inconvenience to yourself.  None of your posts have been unbiased.  Attacking me personally won't get you anywhere.

Non smokers do NOT as a rule smoke because they are drinking.  That is a fact.:roll:LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][Links?  You keep posting your personal thoughts but you have yet to provide evidence.  As for bias....that shows in your posts.  You smoke and drink and want to continue to do so without inconvenience to yourself.  None of your posts have been unbiased.  Attacking me personally won't get you anywhere.

Non smokers do NOT as a rule smoke because they are drinking.  That is a fact.:roll:Dipsomania

If someone wants to smoke, then I have no objection in letting them do so. However, having to breathe in someone else's smoke inside a building isn't pleasant at all in my opinion. I feel smoking should be disallowed inside. Outside, however, is a different story. For a start, it would be too hard to enforce, given that there's so much of "outside" to go around. Plus it's easier to avoid. I feel that smoking shouldn't be allowed indoors (public places, not private places), but there are too many problems to consider a ban in outside public places.EJ902

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] You have obviously seen surveys to the contrary of your opinion.....you mentioned them. So show me ones that disprove what we've both established as fact. Second, casual smoking does not exist yet you said it did. Show proof....Dipsomania

Then

Continue with this

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="EJ902"]If someone wants to smoke, then I have no objection in letting them do so. However, having to breathe in someone else's smoke inside a building isn't pleasant at all in my opinion. I feel smoking should be disallowed inside. Outside, however, is a different story. For a start, it would be too hard to enforce, given that there's so much of "outside" to go around. Plus it's easier to avoid. I feel that smoking shouldn't be allowed indoors (public places, not private places), but there are too many problems to consider a ban in outside public places.lord_mordain

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Dipsomania

Then

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Keep reading....Dipsomania

 The "chippers" who can smoke up to five cigarettes a day over many years with no evidence of addiction.Dipsomania

I don't know....but claiming most people are casual smokers seems to be a dispute from the facts. Now....let's see some links of yours... LJS9502_basic

I have news for you....if it's a daily habit...it's addiction. :wink:LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I don't know....but claiming most people are casual smokers seems to be a dispute from the facts. Now....let's see some links of yours... Dipsomania

I love to go to dinner at this one place, great burgers, chili dogs, ECT. But I had one problem, there was a bar attached to the restraunt. And to make things worse, There was no Non-Smoking section. So the smoke wafted to where I was eating. This disturbed me. What disturbed me even more, was the fact that there were many small children in the smoky restraunt. I knew that second-hand smoke can make you very sick, so I talked to the owner, and he saw the problem. Now at that place, smoking is not allowed on the proptery.

So yes, it would cool if they would ban smoking in public places, but if that doesn't happen, talk with the owner of your fav place to eat, or talk with a city reresentive. TAKE ACTION

You could have saved us both time by not arguing..... :|LJS9502_basic

All based on surveys and we both know people do lie, and I know there are a good number of people who do not smoke. But I would still say there are more people who do smoke than who do not. Because casual/social smokers are more apt to say they don't smoke at all when asked for poll/survey reasons. But I have known alot of people that do not smoke that do smoke when they get drinking. I agree people shouldn't smoke in eating establishments, and I wouldn't mind bars not allowing smoking until say 10:00 p.m. because alot of bars serve food, and some have a very good menu and have families come there to eat. It's just my personal opinion, andyes I am a smoker, but also I live in a house with small children so I smoke outside, because they don't have a choice and it is more healtny for them to do so. But also there are about 2 million ways to get cancer, smoking isn't the only wayDipsomania

i think i somehow dodged those bullets. he abandoned his line of argument with me and focused on whats his face over there. ROLFCHANK

[QUOTE="ROLFCHANK"] i think i somehow dodged those bullets. he abandoned his line of argument with me and focused on whats his face over there. Dipsomania

[QUOTE="Dipsomania"][QUOTE="ROLFCHANK"] i think i somehow dodged those bullets. he abandoned his line of argument with me and focused on whats his face over there. ROLFCHANK

[QUOTE="Dipsomania"][QUOTE="ROLFCHANK"] i think i somehow dodged those bullets. he abandoned his line of argument with me and focused on whats his face over there. ROLFCHANK