Do you believe in God??

This is what life is pretty much all about. People will always think their way is the best and they know better, but that does not change the fact that truth has only one face and that a lot of people have to turn out wrong. Its sad, but true. It really makes me sad but what can I do.GazaAli

Indeed.

But consider that you might be wrong in your world view and that, for example, Christianity is in fact the truth, or Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism etc etc.

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[QUOTE="rawsavon"] That is all relative.... LOL With that I mean that placing importance on one topic versus another is relative. I don't require proof of anything b/c I don't believe there ever will be 100% proof for anything (too many 'truths' proven false and too many things said to be false proven true) I form my own opinions based on a number of different factorsrawsavon

They just place stricter criteria for the evidence depending on the importance they place on an issue. And the reason they place different importance on different issues is due to how they feel about them. Yes thats subjective but imo there are certain "trends" among people.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"] This is what life is pretty much all about. People will always think their way is the best and they know better, but that does not change the fact that truth has only one face and that a lot of people have to turn out wrong. Its sad, but true. It really makes me sad but what can I do.ganon92

Indeed.

But consider that you might be wrong in your world view and that, for example, Christianity is in fact the truth, or Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism etc etc.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] IMO there is no "objective and verifiable evidence". -there are things that are close (as in 99.9%)...but nothing that is 100% objective and verifiable. What we say is "objective and verifiable evidence" was said in the past (and proven wrong) and will be said in the future (to prove things we say now as false). We all take stimuli/events in the world and shape them to fit our view of things (see thousands of studies on cognitive dissonance, witness testimony, etc) -we alter events to fit our world viewHoolaHoopMan

Well as I've previously stated nothing can be proven 100%, so with that I agree. For all we know everything we sense could be false, however this mentality kind of gets us no where. You might as well just call it quits if you carry this mentality around (not saying that you personally do).

What I mean by verifiable/objective evidence is stuff that can be reproduced and is falsifiable. If I make the statement "I will get a promotion tmw at work", that statement can be verified or falsified by observing the events of tmw. A statement along the lines of "God exists" or "Tmw I will talk to God" are two statements which are neither verifiable nor falsifiable due to their supernatural nature.

As per your stance on changing scientific beliefs, that's the entire point of science. Bad science is constantly being thrown out the door, it's a self correcting method which if anything says wonders about how strong it is. Good science will always do away with bad science, I don't see how this can be a bad thing at all. However having this attitude of "well we used to believe this but now it changed, why should I believe the new stuff" is missing the point. The WRONG stuff has been thrown out and replaced by theories or ideas that have stronger evidence supporting them.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]I dont think people demand 100% proof.

They just place stricter criteria for the evidence depending on the importance they place on an issue. And the reason they place different importance on different issues is due to how they feel about them. Yes thats subjective but imo there are certain "trends" among people.

I never said any of that. My OP said that demanding proof of God seems foolish when we do not demand proof of anything else. 99.9% of the time we just take people's word for things (how much in life has actually been proven to you versus you takng what someone else said/what makes sense as true). -these same people (that we take their word for stuff) get proven wrong throughout history -but 99.9% of the population takes what they say as true -yet so many people demand proof of God or that there is no God ...seems an odd dichotomy to merawsavon

Bolded: We demand proof constantly, it's what the scientific method is based around and why scientists attempt to recreate experiments. I have no idea how you could think otherwise.

Sometimes I think God makes sense, other times I don't. It's a back and forth sort of thing in my case.

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[QUOTE="rawsavon"] There is nothing wrong with anything you said. My OP was that I do not understand how people can demand proof of God and nothing else...and people took it from there. I always said to just form your own opinion based on what you want to I just find it ridiculous to demand proof of one thing when they do not demand proof of anything else (they just accept what people say as proof)rawsavon

And again you ignore what I repeated many times. People, reasonably imo, do not place the same importance on different issues.

If for instance someone I know from uni tells me that a certain professor is very very strict, I dont have a reason to doubt him and demand evidence since either I dont really care because I wont have that professor or if I will be I will find out myself soon enough.

Now if someone tells me that an alien spaceship just landed in my hometown's square, I'll definitely want to see it for myself.

yerh i believe there is a god :')

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] I never said any of that. My OP said that demanding proof of God seems foolish when we do not demand proof of anything else. 99.9% of the time we just take people's word for things (how much in life has actually been proven to you versus you takng what someone else said/what makes sense as true). -these same people (that we take their word for stuff) get proven wrong throughout history -but 99.9% of the population takes what they say as true -yet so many people demand proof of God or that there is no God ...seems an odd dichotomy to meHoolaHoopMan

Bolded: We demand proof constantly, it's what the scientific method is based around and why scientists attempt to recreate experiments. I have no idea how you could think otherwise.

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[QUOTE="rawsavon"] I never said any of that. My OP said that demanding proof of God seems foolish when we do not demand proof of anything else. 99.9% of the time we just take people's word for things (how much in life has actually been proven to you versus you takng what someone else said/what makes sense as true). -these same people (that we take their word for stuff) get proven wrong throughout history -but 99.9% of the population takes what they say as true -yet so many people demand proof of God or that there is no God ...seems an odd dichotomy to merawsavon

Bolded: We demand proof constantly, it's what the scientific method is based around and why scientists attempt to recreate experiments. I have no idea how you could think otherwise.

No, I'm an atheist.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]And I dont know any person that only demands proof of god and literally nothing else.

And again you ignore what I repeated many times. People, reasonably imo, do not place the same importance on different issues.

If for instance someone I know from uni tells me that a certain professor is very very strict, I dont have a reason to doubt him and demand evidence since either I dont really care because I wont have that professor or if I will be I will find out myself soon enough.

Now if someone tells me that an alien spaceship just landed in my hometown's square, I'll definitely want to see it for myself.

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Bolded: We demand proof constantly, it's what the scientific method is based around and why scientists attempt to recreate experiments. I have no idea how you could think otherwise.

I don't believe in a god who gives us the capacity to love and puts us on a planet where anyone can die at any second.

Edit: I'll let it go if we get psychic powers in 2012.

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[QUOTE="rawsavon"] As I said before, what has ever been proven to you in life? Think about the rest of the world's population...what else do they demand proof of (versus taking a scientists word for it or believing what sounds right)rawsavon

And again you ignore what I repeated many times. People, reasonably imo, do not place the same importance on different issues.

If for instance someone I know from uni tells me that a certain professor is very very strict, I dont have a reason to doubt him and demand evidence since either I dont really care because I wont have that professor or if I will be I will find out myself soon enough.

Now if someone tells me that an alien spaceship just landed in my hometown's square, I'll definitely want to see it for myself.

You are completely missing the last point I made and you are again using criteria for proof that I didnt bring up.

Do you want to have it that way? That there is no definite proof? Fine then.

I'll rephrase: people dont place the same importance on different issues and therefore they demand different amounts of evidence in order to accept each claim to be true.

Better now?

'we' =/= 99.9% of the population (as I said later in that very post) 99.9% of the population demands proof of nothing BUT God (or a lack of a God) -they just take another person's word (oral or written) for everything (nothing is ever proven to them) Personally, I have never had anything proven to me. Are there .1% of people that prove things themself...yes, of course. They are free to demand proof of God as well Everyone else seems to have an odd set of disparate standardsrawsavon

Everyone in their life at one time or another will ask for proof of something other than "God", there's no hypocrisy at all. I have no idea why you would think such a thing.

Just take a look at these forums, how many debates have you seen where one party asks for proof of statements being made on subject that stretch from sports, music, economics, drugs, etc? I don't understand why you would make a statement saying that "99% asks for proof of NOTHING but God". It would be completely insane to think otherwise.

Yes i do.

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[QUOTE="rawsavon"] 'we' =/= 99.9% of the population (as I said later in that very post) 99.9% of the population demands proof of nothing BUT God (or a lack of a God) -they just take another person's word (oral or written) for everything (nothing is ever proven to them) Personally, I have never had anything proven to me. Are there .1% of people that prove things themself...yes, of course. They are free to demand proof of God as well Everyone else seems to have an odd set of disparate standardsrawsavon

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="GazaAli"]you still did not answer my question. I remember feeling this way when I was 9-10 but I grew up to realize that there must be an after life and I'm willing to make the sacrifice.GazaAli

Believing in something out fear of punishment for not believing in something, is not a good enough reason to believe in something.

"I don't believe it!" "But if you don't believe it you might be punished!" "Err, okay I believe it!"

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[QUOTE="rawsavon"] I never said any of that. My OP said that demanding proof of God seems foolish when we do not demand proof of anything else. 99.9% of the time we just take people's word for things (how much in life has actually been proven to you versus you takng what someone else said/what makes sense as true). -these same people (that we take their word for stuff) get proven wrong throughout history -but 99.9% of the population takes what they say as true -yet so many people demand proof of God or that there is no God ...seems an odd dichotomy to merawsavon

Bolded: We demand proof constantly, it's what the scientific method is based around and why scientists attempt to recreate experiments. I have no idea how you could think otherwise.

Man there are more than 80 miracles that happened on 2010 by Saint Charbel in Lebanon

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Many things: from every day claims people make that I want to verify by checking it out myself to some pretty "big" scientific facts such as that the earth is not flat.

And again you ignore what I repeated many times. People, reasonably imo, do not place the same importance on different issues.

If for instance someone I know from uni tells me that a certain professor is very very strict, I dont have a reason to doubt him and demand evidence since either I dont really care because I wont have that professor or if I will be I will find out myself soon enough.

Now if someone tells me that an alien spaceship just landed in my hometown's square, I'll definitely want to see it for myself.

You are completely missing the last point I made and you are again using criteria for proof that I didnt bring up.

Do you want to have it that way? That there is no definite proof? Fine then.

I'll rephrase: people dont place the same importance on different issues and therefore they demand different amounts of evidence in order to accept each claim to be true.

Better now?

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] 'we' =/= 99.9% of the population (as I said later in that very post) 99.9% of the population demands proof of nothing BUT God (or a lack of a God) -they just take another person's word (oral or written) for everything (nothing is ever proven to them) Personally, I have never had anything proven to me. Are there .1% of people that prove things themself...yes, of course. They are free to demand proof of God as well Everyone else seems to have an odd set of disparate standardsHoolaHoopMan

Everyone in their life at one time or another will ask for proof of something other than "God", there's no hypocrisy at all. I have no idea why you would think such a thing.

Just take a look at these forums, how many debates have you seen where one party asks for proof of statements being made on subject that stretch from sports, music, economics, drugs, etc? I don't understand why you would make a statement saying that "99% asks for proof of NOTHING but God". It would be completely insane to think otherwise.

Do people place different levels of importance on different things...yes, of course Do they demand 'proof' of the things they deem as major...nope, not really -dna -atoms -other really important stuff ...I don't see anyone (99.9% of people) going out there and proving anything major...i see them accepting what others say But this is not the case with God...whyrawsavon

All the things you've listed have mountains of evidence supporting them, evidence that I pointed out earlier that is easily verifiable and falsifiable.

He asked for a simple answer not anything else .

Do people place different levels of importance on different things...yes, of course Do they demand 'proof' of the things they deem as major...nope, not really -dna -atoms -other really important stuff ...I don't see anyone (99.9% of people) going out there and proving anything major...i see them accepting what others say But this is not the case with God...whyrawsavon

If we go that way then please see the issue the way I rephrased it.

No

Asking for proof =/= proving something. How many people go out there and prove things (recreate experiemnets, etc)? People just rely on what others have said and say 'okay, sounds good'rawsavon

The entire Scientific community developes and recreates experiments all the time. :? That's A LOT of people.

If you're somehow trying to imply that everyone should have to recreate each and every experiment out there in order to satisfy their personal need for proof I think it's completely ridiculous.

I don't need to go out there and recreate experiments on electricity to understand that many of the theories involving it are sound, I have tangible evidence in my household that it's true. All I need to do is look at all the wiring and appliances that WORK due to the knowledge we have on electricity and physics.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] Do people place different levels of importance on different things...yes, of course Do they demand 'proof' of the things they deem as major...nope, not really -dna -atoms -other really important stuff ...I don't see anyone (99.9% of people) going out there and proving anything major...i see them accepting what others say But this is not the case with God...whyHoolaHoopMan

All the things you've listed have mountains of evidence supporting them, evidence that I pointed out earlier that is easily verifiable and falsifiable.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] Asking for proof =/= proving something. How many people go out there and prove things (recreate experiemnets, etc)? People just rely on what others have said and say 'okay, sounds good'HoolaHoopMan

The entire Scientific community developes and recreates experiments all the time. :? That's A LOT of people.

If you're somehow trying to imply that everyone should have to recreate each and every experiment out there in order to satisfy their personal need for proof I think it's completely ridiculous.

I don't need to go out there and recreate experiments on electricity to understand that many of the theories involving it are sound, I have tangible evidence in my household that it's true. All I need to do is look at all the wiring and appliances that WORK due to the knowledge we have on electricity and physics.

quick question if you do not believe in God then why do you poop your pants at every single topic about God and religion if its real? if you know God is not real then why bother commenting? Athest are quick to troll on this type of subject or fire the first shot.

That is not what I said. Having evidence that you did not prove =/= something being proved to you. All people do is take someone else's word for s***. I am not saying that there is anything wrong with that. I do it for almost everything. People will take anoher's word on monumental events/'facts' w/out any idea of what is actually going on (most science in the last 100 years). So they accept something as true just b/c someone said it was and it sounded good/fit their schema of the worldrawsavon

What you're asking for is ridiculous. I don't need to personally perform experiments involving organic chemistry and plastis to know they are sound. I have the tangible results around me in my household, I would relay my questions to the experts in the field that do conduct them.

It's not me just taking their words, we see tangible results from these "proofs" in our everday lives.

No. Never did even with 15 years of weekly church attendance, Sunday School and a confirmation.wstfld

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] Do people place different levels of importance on different things...yes, of course Do they demand 'proof' of the things they deem as major...nope, not really -dna -atoms -other really important stuff ...I don't see anyone (99.9% of people) going out there and proving anything major...i see them accepting what others say But this is not the case with God...whyu_r_a_sausage

quick question if you do not believe in God then why do you poop your pants at every single topic about God and religion if its real? if you know God is not real then why bother commenting? Athest are quick to troll on this type of subject or fire the first shot.

acsam12304

I've said nothing on my stance of God in this thread and my posts are merely revolving around the notion of "proofs". It's anything but trolling. If you'd like to add to that discussion then fine. If not then bug off.

[QUOTE="acsam12304"]if you know God is not real then why bother commenting?u_r_a_sausage

same reason why ayou are here. make a post about God and look at how many troll goes in a heart beat and most likely to fire the first shot that starts all this.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] That is not what I said. Having evidence that you did not prove =/= something being proved to you. All people do is take someone else's word for s***. I am not saying that there is anything wrong with that. I do it for almost everything. People will take anoher's word on monumental events/'facts' w/out any idea of what is actually going on (most science in the last 100 years). So they accept something as true just b/c someone said it was and it sounded good/fit their schema of the worldHoolaHoopMan

What you're asking for is ridiculous. I don't need to personally perform experiments involving organic chemistry and plastis to know they are sound. I have the tangible results around me in my household, I would rely my questions to the experts in the field that do conduct them.

It's not me just taking their words, we see tangible results from these "proofs" in our everday lives.

I believe in and worship me, so I click the Worship Satan Option. But, I do not believe in any God and consider my self an Atheist. PirateSatan

What do you even mean? You worship Satan and don't believe in any God ? what did you mean by that confusing statement?

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quick question if you do not believe in God then why do you poop your pants at every single topic about God and religion if its real? if you know God is not real then why bother commenting? Athest are quick to troll on this type of subject or fire the first shot.

HoolaHoopMan

I've said nothing on my stance of God in this thread and my posts are merely revolving around the notion of "proofs". It's anything but trolling. If you'd like to add to that discussion then fine. If not then bug off.

lol no you bug off. every single religion or God post there is your in it trolling.

* on OT looks at topic. "blah blah blah "God", blah blah blah "religion" says to him self "i have to go in there and make my point!"*

This topic started quite well but is heading the trash way. I suggest you fall back raw ASAP.GazaAli

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[QUOTE="u_r_a_sausage"]How is that any more reasonable a question to ask than its inverse, 'if you know God is real then why bother commenting?'u_r_a_sausage

same reason why ayou are here. make a post about God and look at how many troll goes in a heart beat and most likely to fire the first shot that starts all this.

i just did