The proof that you say you see i your daily life is no different than the proof that people say they see about God's existence Most people just take someone's word for why something is there w/out understanding the howrawsavon

It is different, that's what I've been trying to convey. God's existence isn't falsifiable nor verifiable, things such as gravity, cell theory, germ theory are. They're verifiable because they are repeatable. One cannot "repeat" their feelings of God and present that as proof to another individual.

If I may pose a hypothetical to you however. Lets say you go to your doctor because you are deathly ill, do you take his advice on the matter given his status as an expert in the medical field?

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]This topic started quite well but is heading the trash way. I suggest you fall back raw ASAP.rawsavon

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

[QUOTE="acsam12304"]

quick question if you do not believe in God then why do you poop your pants at every single topic about God and religion if its real? if you know God is not real then why bother commenting? Athest are quick to troll on this type of subject or fire the first shot.

acsam12304

I've said nothing on my stance of God in this thread and my posts are merely revolving around the notion of "proofs". It's anything but trolling. If you'd like to add to that discussion then fine. If not then bug off.

lol no you bug off. every single religion or God post there is your in it trolling.

* on OT looks at topic. "blah blah blah "God", blah blah blah "religion" says to him self "i have to go in there and make my point!"*

[QUOTE="wstfld"]No. Never did even with 15 years of weekly church attendance, Sunday School and a confirmation.BrianB0422

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] The proof that you say you see i your daily life is no different than the proof that people say they see about God's existence Most people just take someone's word for why something is there w/out understanding the howHoolaHoopMan

It is different, that's what I've been trying to convey. God's existence isn't falsifiable nor verifiable, things such as gravity, cell theory, germ theory are. They're verifiable because they are repeatable. One cannot "repeat" their feelings of God and present that as proof to another individual.

If I may pose a hypothetical to you however. Lets say you go to your doctor because you are deathly ill, do you take his advice on the matter given his status as an expert in the medical field?

[QUOTE="acsam12304"]

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

I've said nothing on my stance of God in this thread and my posts are merely revolving around the notion of "proofs". It's anything but trolling. If you'd like to add to that discussion then fine. If not then bug off.

HoolaHoopMan

lol no you bug off. every single religion or God post there is your in it trolling.

* on OT looks at topic. "blah blah blah "God", blah blah blah "religion" says to him self "i have to go in there and make my point!"*

your doging my point. why do you care so much for this kind of topics.

you ask me why am i here and asking you and why i care. simple i hardly bother commenting in these types of topics because no matter what you say or do will make you win the subject. and the more and more i go to these topics and just read the replies from them more and more i see Atheist fires the first shot or first to troll and thats just plan dumb.

its like if you see someone say " i believe in God because he loves me and he will protect me" something in your head click and quickly attack that person for saying that. really why bother good for him/her she thinks that. shame on you for even attacking in the first place.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] Do people place different levels of importance on different things...yes, of course Do they demand 'proof' of the things they deem as major...nope, not really -dna -atoms -other really important stuff ...I don't see anyone (99.9% of people) going out there and proving anything major...i see them accepting what others say But this is not the case with God...whyTeenaged

If we go that way then please see the issue the way I rephrased it.

[QUOTE="PirateSatan"]I believe in and worship me, so I click the Worship Satan Option. But, I do not believe in any God and consider my self an Atheist. Fares20

What do you even mean? You worship Satan and don't believe in any God ? what did you mean by that confusing statement?

your doging my point.

acsam12304

I don't think there is 100% proof for anything...but that is not my point. There mty be 99.9% proof (or w/e level you want to say) People do not even prove things 99.9% of the way. They just accept what people that sound smart say. I do this as well. I don't think there is anything wrong with that. But these same people that do not prove anything, expect it when it comes to Godrawsavon

So do you accept what your doctor tells you in the ER then?

[QUOTE="acsam12304"]

your doging my point.

HoolaHoopMan

thats what u did to me last time with i was talking to someone deal with it you did it to me im doing it to you.

your doging my point. why do you care so much for this kind of topics.

you ask me why am i here and asking you and why i care. simple i hardly bother commenting in these types of topics because no matter what you say or do will make you win the subject. and the more and more i go to these topics and just read the replies from them more and more i see Atheist fires the first shot or first to troll and thats just plan dumb.

its like if you see someone say " i believe in God because he loves me and he will protect me" something in your head click and quickly attack that person for saying that. really why bother good for him/her she thinks that. shame on you for even attacking in the first place.

[QUOTE="ganon92"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"] This is what life is pretty much all about. People will always think their way is the best and they know better, but that does not change the fact that truth has only one face and that a lot of people have to turn out wrong. Its sad, but true. It really makes me sad but what can I do.GazaAli

Indeed.

But consider that you might be wrong in your world view and that, for example, Christianity is in fact the truth, or Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism etc etc.

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

[QUOTE="acsam12304"]

your doging my point.

acsam12304

thats what u did to me last time with i was talking to someone deal with it you did it to me im doing it to.

yes.

Do you believe in God??

Yes

Did anyone else here toss out God when they found out Santa and the Easter Bunny weren't real? It was a really easy step to make as a kid. Did anyone else become an atheist before going through religious indoctrination? Most other atheists I know had to wrestle with it for a while after going through the whole Christian education system (CCD, Sunday School, Confirmation, etc.). wstfld

You mean the Catholic education system, not the Christian education system. They are but one denomination. TBH I think the Catholic Church makes up things just for fun and to control their flocks. They have more non-biblically based traditions than any major religion I've ever seen.

Since I believe that death is the end of my existence, there really isn't any way to answer your question. If I am proven wrong and there is an afterlife, I am not willing to compromise and bow to a God whose behavior is unethical; that's not compromise to me, that's surrender.xaos

This is more or less what I was going to write. God is just a word anyway with many different and somwhat conflicting defintions.

[QUOTE="Fares20"]

[QUOTE="PirateSatan"]I believe in and worship me, so I click the Worship Satan Option. But, I do not believe in any God and consider my self an Atheist. PirateSatan

What do you even mean? You worship Satan and don't believe in any God ? what did you mean by that confusing statement?

You said : ''I was saying that I believe in and worship me'' , you worship yourself!?

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] I know that is what people do. That is my point. We place value in someone's words and accept them as truth (they may or may not be...science gets proven wrong all the time). We do no 'proving' on our own...just say 'you sound smart on this issue, I will believe you' But then there are people that demand proof (that do not otherwise demand it on anything esle) when it comes to some 'being' existing (or not) I have no issue with people believing or not (see my OP) I just take issue with people's belief being based on proof only...when most people prove nothing in their daily lives.u_r_a_sausage

[QUOTE="PirateSatan"][QUOTE="Fares20"]

What do you even mean? You worship Satan and don't believe in any God ? what did you mean by that confusing statement?

Fares20

You said : ''I was saying that I believe in and worship me'' , you worship yourself!?

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] Do people place different levels of importance on different things...yes, of course Do they demand 'proof' of the things they deem as major...nope, not really -dna -atoms -other really important stuff ...I don't see anyone (99.9% of people) going out there and proving anything major...i see them accepting what others say But this is not the case with God...whyrawsavon

If we go that way then please see the issue the way I rephrased it.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] I don't think there is 100% proof for anything...but that is not my point. There mty be 99.9% proof (or w/e level you want to say) People do not even prove things 99.9% of the way. They just accept what people that sound smart say. I do this as well. I don't think there is anything wrong with that. But these same people that do not prove anything, expect it when it comes to GodHoolaHoopMan

So do you accept what your doctor tells you in the ER then?

[QUOTE="Fares20"]

[QUOTE="PirateSatan"] My user name on here is PirateSATAN. I was saying that I believe in and Worship me so the "Worship Satan" option fit. PirateSatan

You said : ''I was saying that I believe in and worship me'' , you worship yourself!?

LOL that's so rediculisly funny , sorry but hahahahahahahahaha

Well there are arguments for the existence of God that have not effectively been refuted and since no one has proven the existence of God is impossible, then I maintain a positive agnosticism on the subject.

I think we can all agree that at present, we have no way of scientifically proving that God exists. Therefore, we must fall back on reason and a thorough examination of all the available evidence. We're not going to find the type of material "proof" that would satisfy Atheists with current methods. Now of course we can come to different conclusions from the same evidence, so I can only share my own.

I believe in a God or "Gods" for a number of reasons. I was raised as a Christian (Jehovah's Witness), and have read the whole Bible more than once. From the time I was born into my teen years, I attended Bible study meetings at least 2 to 3 times a week, every week. In more recent years I've spent a great deal of time learning about the creation "myths" and roots of religions from around the world. I can't call myself an "expert" on anything but Christianity, but I feel that I have a decent overview of other beliefs as well.

Personally, when I look at the striking similarities between creation stories, flood stories, encounters with "heavenly" beings, etc.. from different cultures around the world, I come to one conclusion. That is that ancient mankind had some incredible experiences and interactions with some advanced beings. Whether or not they fit your definition of what a "God" should be is a separate issue. After all, the very concept of God in relation to humanity started with those who first encountered said beings, and wrote about them. I believe that these encounters formed the basis for the major religions around the world today. There are writings from the temple of Ashurbanipal in Nineveh that specifically say that humans were genetically engineered by some beings that came from the sky. I can't believe that some humans from thousands of years ago that had never seen anything more advanced than a chariot would have just made that up. There are paintings from the renaissance period and earlier that show what appear to be humanoid-looking aliens in spacecraft flying above events such as Jesus' execution. There are just too many indicators for me to ignore.

Like I said earlier, there is currently no hard proof that will convince people who don't want to believe, or who only accept a smoking gun.

From the evidence that I've seen from societies from around the world throughout history, I can't believe that they all just made this stuff up. I can't believe that they formed religions around nothing, or around weather events that they didn't understand. There is too much specific information given in these writings. Noah was told to build an ark out of a specific type of wood, and to make it a specific size and shape. According to mainstream historians, nobody was building ships anywhere near that size for at least 2,000 years after the account is said to have been written. Who the hell would have known how to design such a boat in that period of time? Who could have made that up?

These are the questions that lead me to believe that yes, there is a God of sorts.

I do not.

I want to believe, but there's little to no proof he exists, so not really.Mega-Mustaine

19 They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them.20 For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God. Romans 1:19-20

Im continually growing in my faith but i wanna try to help you heres a site i found that i like that could help you.

http://www.biblestudyspace.com/forum/topics/jeremiah-291314-you-will

I want to believe, but there's little to no proof he exists, so not really.Mega-Mustaine

You can't prove a negative.

[QUOTE="Mega-Mustaine"]I want to believe, but there's little to no proof he exists, so not really.magiciandude

You can't prove a negative.

I accept what most people in authority positions say (authority as in knowledgeable about a subject But I do not demand proof of anythingrawsavon

And like I've been repeating endlessly in this thread, it goes back to the idea of verifiable and falsifiable ideas. You don't demand your doctor show you endless amounts of medical journals after his diagnosis because he is an authority on issue, just as a physicist is on physics and chemist in his field.

The reason why you don't see people demanding proof endlessly for the idea that matter is made up of atoms, or that disease is made up of tiny invading life forms ,is because they are well documented and deemed "true" due to repeat experiments validating their results and conclusions. You seem to be hung up on this notion that people just assume what researchers say it true and only continually demand proof for God.

Let me tell you that when a scientist comes up with an experiment revolving around a certain hypothesis that isn't very well understood or new to any given field that there are plenty of people out there that demand proof. If the experiment survives the hurdles of peer review the lingering "demand" as you put it will eventually disappear because that need as been satisfied by repeat experiments. The reason why people still demand proof of God is because these needs have not been met in anything that could be remotely considered objective nor falsifiable in the slightest.

If there was anyway that God could be verified by empirical means we wouldn't need to keep demanding proof for it's existence, that is the difference between "proof" of God and a scientific theory. One can be verified, the other simply cannot.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]I believe in a God or "Gods" for a number of reasons. I was raised as a Christian (Jehovah's Witness)u_r_a_sausage

lmfao.. nice. You have a good memory :P My argument was more that a spouse shouldn't deny their partner sex, more than an argument in favor or marital rape. But whatever.

[QUOTE="magiciandude"]

[QUOTE="Mega-Mustaine"]I want to believe, but there's little to no proof he exists, so not really.ganon92

You can't prove a negative.

You can prove the positive assertion that something is impossible. You can't prove something doesn't exist, but you can prove that its existence is impossible. You can't prove that something didn't happen, but you can prove that it was impossible for something to have happened.

no now wheres my burgers and fries:x

I believe in some sort of god.

[QUOTE="ganon92"][QUOTE="magiciandude"]

You can't prove a negative.

magiciandude

You can prove the positive assertion that something is impossible. Anyone who insists that God does or does not bear the burden of proof. You can't prove something doesn't exist, but you can prove that its existence is impossible. You can't prove that something didn't happen, but you can prove that it was impossible for something to have happened.

I'm communist, and i Do Belive in God. And i think everyone shuld belive, even it dosn't exsist, its good placebo...

Nope.

I was raised in a home with a Lutheran and a Catholic, I went to both of their churches, and eventually I was Confirmed at the Lutheran church. I haven't been back to church since my Confirmation day.

As a child, I found religion confusing and strange and I mostly was attracted to the rituals and the architecture of churches. In junior high, I said that I believed in God, but I can't remember if I actually did. I flirted with Judaism when I was 14-15, and ever since then I've gone through varying phases of agnosticism and atheism...and even agnostic atheism!!

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]As I implied, this sounds more like a position of doubt towards the very existence of proof of anything. At the end of the day, yes there might be no 'proof' for anything.

If we go that way then please see the issue the way I rephrased it.

Vinegar_Strokes

People in the past would have said the same thing about the world being flat, the sun going around the earth, objects falling at different speeds, etc.
-there was 'proof' for all those things
-who is to say what will stand the test of time

I'm a spiritual person more than anything else. I don't believe in any particular god but I do believe there maybe an afterlife.