Do you believe in God??

Here i wanna try to help from the Scriptures its says

19 They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them.20 For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God. Romans 1:19-20ipod_360_gamer

49 While He was still speaking, someone came from the house of the synagogue official, saying, "Your daughter has died; do not trouble the Teacher anymore."
50 But when Jesus heard this, He answered him, "Do not be afraid any longer; only believe, and she will be made well."
51 When He came to the house, He did not allow anyone to enter with Him, except Peter and John and James, and the girl's father and mother.
52 Now they were all weeping and lamenting for her; but He said, "Stop weeping, for she has not died, but is asleep."
53 And they began laughing at Him, knowing that she had died.
54 He, however, took her by the hand and called, saying, "Child, arise!"
55 And her spirit returned, and she got up immediately; and He gave orders for something to be given her to eat.
56 Her parents were amazed; but He instructed them to tell no one what had happened.

So basically: An official from the synagogue (I assume someone who is experienced with seeing people being dead, and knowing when they are dead) says their daughter is dead. Jesus goes in with the mother and father, and his closest and most trusted disciples, no one else is allowed in to see or witness, and he then says "she is but sleeping" and brings her back to "life" and tells the mother and father to tell no one about what they saw.

So what I've gathered from this "miracle" is that either the child wasn't actually dead, just in a catatonic state and Jesus knew how to "wake" her up... or he didn't actually bring her back to life and just consoled the parents by giving them a discourse on God's Word and told them their daughter has been "brought back to life" in the Kingdom of Heaven, and to not tell anyone about this, only tell them their daughter is "still alive."

See... this is my problem with the Bible and Jesus' divinity and miracles. They are so vague that it only makes me more sceptical about the actual events and think about how Jesus couldn't have actually been the "son of God" and was merely a really nice guy who wanted to reform Judaism (which I also read in the Bible). The "evidence" the Bible presents about their truth is just so wishy-washy, and makes me wonder more about the actual events, rather than the mythologized ones accounted in the Bible (given that these things were written down well after Jesus' death, I don't doubt they went through the "telephone" and got heavily modified from their original account so that they would carry more weight for the faithful).

[QUOTE="ipod_360_gamer"]Here i wanna try to help from the Scriptures its says

19 They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them.20 For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God. Romans 1:19-20foxhound_fox

49 While He was still speaking, someone came from the house of the synagogue official, saying, "Your daughter has died; do not trouble the Teacher anymore."
50 But when Jesus heard this, He answered him, "Do not be afraid any longer; only believe, and she will be made well."
51 When He came to the house, He did not allow anyone to enter with Him, except Peter and John and James, and the girl's father and mother.
52 Now they were all weeping and lamenting for her; but He said, "Stop weeping, for she has not died, but is asleep."
53 And they began laughing at Him, knowing that she had died.
54 He, however, took her by the hand and called, saying, "Child, arise!"
55 And her spirit returned, and she got up immediately; and He gave orders for something to be given her to eat.
56 Her parents were amazed; but He instructed them to tell no one what had happened.

So basically: An official from the synagogue (I assume someone who is experienced with seeing people being dead, and knowing when they are dead) says their daughter is dead. Jesus goes in with the mother and father, and his closest and most trusted disciples, no one else is allowed in to see or witness, and he then says "she is but sleeping" and brings her back to "life" and tells the mother and father to tell no one about what they saw.

So what I've gathered from this "miracle" is that either the child wasn't actually dead, just in a catatonic state and Jesus knew how to "wake" her up... or he didn't actually bring her back to life and just consoled the parents by giving them a discourse on God's Word and told them their daughter has been "brought back to life" in the Kingdom of Heaven, and to not tell anyone about this, only tell them their daughter is "still alive."

See... this is my problem with the Bible and Jesus' divinity and miracles. They are so vague that it only makes me more sceptical about the actual events and think about how Jesus couldn't have actually been the "son of God" and was merely a really nice guy who wanted to reform Judaism (which I also read in the Bible). The "evidence" the Bible presents about their truth is just so wishy-washy, and makes me wonder more about the actual events, rather than the mythologized ones accounted in the Bible (given that these things were written down well after Jesus' death, I don't doubt they went through the "telephone" and got heavily modified from their original account so that they would carry more weight for the faithful).

I just take the scriptures word i mean she must be living if he gave her something to eat.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="ipod_360_gamer"]Here i wanna try to help from the Scriptures its says

19 They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them.20 For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God. Romans 1:19-20ipod_360_gamer

49 While He was still speaking, someone came from the house of the synagogue official, saying, "Your daughter has died; do not trouble the Teacher anymore."
50 But when Jesus heard this, He answered him, "Do not be afraid any longer; only believe, and she will be made well."
51 When He came to the house, He did not allow anyone to enter with Him, except Peter and John and James, and the girl's father and mother.
52 Now they were all weeping and lamenting for her; but He said, "Stop weeping, for she has not died, but is asleep."
53 And they began laughing at Him, knowing that she had died.
54 He, however, took her by the hand and called, saying, "Child, arise!"
55 And her spirit returned, and she got up immediately; and He gave orders for something to be given her to eat.
56 Her parents were amazed; but He instructed them to tell no one what had happened.

So basically: An official from the synagogue (I assume someone who is experienced with seeing people being dead, and knowing when they are dead) says their daughter is dead. Jesus goes in with the mother and father, and his closest and most trusted disciples, no one else is allowed in to see or witness, and he then says "she is but sleeping" and brings her back to "life" and tells the mother and father to tell no one about what they saw.

So what I've gathered from this "miracle" is that either the child wasn't actually dead, just in a catatonic state and Jesus knew how to "wake" her up... or he didn't actually bring her back to life and just consoled the parents by giving them a discourse on God's Word and told them their daughter has been "brought back to life" in the Kingdom of Heaven, and to not tell anyone about this, only tell them their daughter is "still alive."

See... this is my problem with the Bible and Jesus' divinity and miracles. They are so vague that it only makes me more sceptical about the actual events and think about how Jesus couldn't have actually been the "son of God" and was merely a really nice guy who wanted to reform Judaism (which I also read in the Bible). The "evidence" the Bible presents about their truth is just so wishy-washy, and makes me wonder more about the actual events, rather than the mythologized ones accounted in the Bible (given that these things were written down well after Jesus' death, I don't doubt they went through the "telephone" and got heavily modified from their original account so that they would carry more weight for the faithful).

I just take the scriptures word i mean she must be living if he gave her something to eat.

I'm with you. I think Jesus brought her back to life. That is what I read at least.

Near death experiences prove an afterlife exists. Use this to build your faith-

http://www.near-death.com/evidence.html

Scientific proof for life after death

some examples-

1.People have near death experiences while brain dead

2.Out of perception during NDE has been verified

3.People born blind can see during NDE

Go to the site learn the truth

If god exists then he's an a-hole.Islandbeats

I take it you've had bad experiences.

I'm with you. I think Jesus brought her back to life. That is what I read at least.

Hatiko

[QUOTE="Islandbeats"]If god exists then he's an a-hole.Hatiko

I take it you've had bad experiences.

[QUOTE="Hatiko"]

I'm with you. I think Jesus brought her back to life. That is what I read at least.

foxhound_fox

"And her spirit returned, and she got up immediately"

Vague?

"And her spirit returned, and she got up immediately"

Vague?

Hatiko

Yes i believe in the gods. But this question is confusing. Are you refering to The christian god? If not then you should change it to God/s. Jupiter ftw.

[QUOTE="Hatiko"]"And her spirit returned, and she got up immediately"

Vague?

foxhound_fox

I know I was quoting out of context. The point is that he brought her back. His capabilities to heal. Just because you have different interpretations doesn't mean it didn't happen.

She's just sleeping: Seems like just saying "Don't worry she's notgone yet, look what I can do"

Not wanting to let what happened get out: The people wanted Jesus dead for being the Savior, what do you think they would of done for "raising the dead?" Necromancers were scouted and killed during the Crusades.

i believe there could be a god, who knows? i just don't believe it's the christian god, hindu god, mormon god, muslim god or any other man made god.

ALL the believers in God , just like me , please just leave those non believers talk and talk , because at the end , we will laugh at them at the afterlife because we talked enough so we'll see them in the afterlife when they are burning and not dieng

I know I was quoting out of context. The point is that he brought her back. His capabilities to heal. Just because you have different interpretations doesn't mean it didn't happen.

She's just sleeping: Seems like just saying "Don't worry she's notgone yet, look what I can do"

Not wanting to let what happened get out: The people wanted Jesus dead for being the Savior, what do you think they would of done for "raising the dead?" Necromancers were scouted and killed during the Crusades.

Hatiko

ALL the believers in God , just like me , please just leave those non believers talk and talk , because at the end , we will laugh at them at the afterlife because we talked enough so we'll see them in the afterlife when they are burning and not dieng

Fares20

ALL the believers in God , just like me , please just leave those non believers talk and talk , because at the end , we will laugh at them at the afterlife because we talked enough so we'll see them in the afterlife when they are burning and not dieng

Fares20

[QUOTE="Hatiko"]

I know I was quoting out of context. The point is that he brought her back. His capabilities to heal. Just because you have different interpretations doesn't mean it didn't happen.

She's just sleeping: Seems like just saying "Don't worry she's notgone yet, look what I can do"

Not wanting to let what happened get out: The people wanted Jesus dead for being the Savior, what do you think they would of done for "raising the dead?" Necromancers were scouted and killed during the Crusades.

foxhound_fox

So then don't read beyond what is said. All we have to go on is the readings. We can't just make things up and say "he just comforted" or "overexaggeration" because that isn't even said there, it's just pulling stuff out of thin air.

And even if I didn't quote out of context there is nothing that is vague. It clearly tells you what happens. If you make things up, then thats another problem because then that can be applied to any type of history.

No I do not, and until he introduces himself to me I will continue to think this way

No I do not, and until he introduces himself to me I will continue to think this way

Overlord93

Why do people say this. The whole point of faith is trust. God wants us to choose. He doesn't want to force it. He gave us the power of choice.

How can I not the proof is evident, I am muslim and believe in Allah.

[QUOTE="Overlord93"]

No I do not, and until he introduces himself to me I will continue to think this way

Hatiko

Why do people say this. The whole point of faith is trust. God wants us to choose. He doesn't want to force it. He gave us the power of choice.

[QUOTE="Hatiko"]

[QUOTE="Overlord93"]

No I do not, and until he introduces himself to me I will continue to think this way

Overlord93

Why do people say this. The whole point of faith is trust. God wants us to choose. He doesn't want to force it. He gave us the power of choice.

Actually we know what happens when you trust the candy vanners. We don't know if we are rewardes in heaven or not. There are no news reports on what happens after death but there are about candy van people. Bat analogy.

And God =/= Candy Vanner

[QUOTE="Overlord93"]

[QUOTE="Hatiko"]

Why do people say this. The whole point of faith is trust. God wants us to choose. He doesn't want to force it. He gave us the power of choice.

Hatiko

Actually we know what happens when you trust the candy vanners. We don't know if we are rewardes in heaven or not. There are no news reports on what happens after death but there are about candy van people. Bat analogy.

And God =/= Candy Vanner

[QUOTE="Hatiko"]

[QUOTE="Overlord93"]If a man with a van offered you free candy, would you trust him? No. Why not? until I have some substancial evidence that this is a reputable candy distribution firm I will refuse to co-operate

Overlord93

Actually we know what happens when you trust the candy vanners. We don't know if we are rewardes in heaven or not. There are no news reports on what happens after death but there are about candy van people. Bat analogy.

And God =/= Candy Vanner

I'm just saying, we know what happens with one because we have people that know, the other is based on faith. Your the one that made the bad analogy, don't turn this around on me. It's about faith, we don't know.We have to have trust because we don't know, no one has come back and said, hello, I just came from heaven (people have done that but people are skeptical...) but with the van people, we know that they lure children, well because people have been lured, killed, etc. and the news/ protection people warn everyone else. So God =/= Cand Vanners.

Yes, I belive in the heavenly Father.

Does he count?

[QUOTE="ArmoredCore55"]I believe in God, I'm a Christian.Vinegar_Strokes

absolutely not.. (but i do have an affinity for wearing pants.)

How can I not the proof is evident, I am muslim and believe in Allah.

Gamer-Geek

i lol'd at te poll

Simple question do you believe in God?

caribo2222

Ya

So then don't read beyond what is said. All we have to go on is the readings. We can't just make things up and say "he just comforted" or "overexaggeration" because that isn't even said there, it's just pulling stuff out of thin air.

And even if I didn't quote out of context there is nothing that is vague. It clearly tells you what happens. If you make things up, then thats another problem because then that can be applied to any type of history.

Hatiko

I don't believe in the all loving and all knowing god but perhaps someone whipped us upCoffee_Blade

As in the sense that more advanced aliens may have genetically engineered the human race as we know ourselves today, and then been viewed as Gods? I can go with that if so.

[QUOTE="Coffee_Blade"]I don't believe in the all loving and all knowing god but perhaps someone whipped us uphartsickdiscipl

As in the sense that more advanced aliens may have genetically engineered the human race as we know ourselves today, and then been viewed as Gods? I can go with that if so.

Yes.Bible-believing Christian.

[QUOTE="Hatiko"]

So then don't read beyond what is said. All we have to go on is the readings. We can't just make things up and say "he just comforted" or "overexaggeration" because that isn't even said there, it's just pulling stuff out of thin air.

And even if I didn't quote out of context there is nothing that is vague. It clearly tells you what happens. If you make things up, then thats another problem because then that can be applied to any type of history.

foxhound_fox

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean evreyone else is "blind" and your the only one that can "see" because you read too far into it and make things up. Like I said, you can apply what you saidto any history and see inconsistencies. So what, you question it, that doesn't make you some sort of "all seer".

And out of context is if I took pieces of the passage to make it seem like it said something else, I simply took a phrase that I thought you were referring to and asked how it was so vague.

I dont care too much about it to crack my brain over it.

I believe and fear Allah the One, the only, the Magnficent.

I can provide evidence through my own experiences, though you will brand me as crazy, so I won't openly.