Do you believe in God, or me?

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#52 deactivated-5a79221380856
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Well it's not about what I think. If they choose me because "God created you," then they are in fact not choosing one over the other, but both at the same time. My scenario said they could only choose one. By choosing both they are cheating. By cheating, an act I assume God wouldn't like, they are dishonoruing God by believing in Him (hope that made sense).

DigitalExile

I forgot you were talking towards the theists.

DigitalExitile umm...Are you insane or crazy or something

Or are you the Anti-Christ?

DarkSmokeNinja

What a silly accusation.
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#53 tzar3
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[QUOTE="DigitalExile"]How about the fact that I am here responding to your posts, on the spot? Where as you have nothing to suggest that God even exists.SolidSnake35
You are the work of God.

Isn't he the work of his parents?

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#54 DigitalExile
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I'd like to know how the heck people cannot believe that I exist. =/

This is stupid, sure, I understand that. THAT makes sense. But it's, like having a bowl on the table with JUST an orange in it. Do you believe in the orange or the apple?

vlin1108

Show us your body (with some proof like your gamespot account or so - but not in the way of your body!), and we will believe you.

Dude, how can I not exist? By responding to my post you've acknowledged stimuli that orignated with me and responded accordingly. With "God" you repond to stimuli that did not originate with Him (although you attribute it to Him).

DigitalExitile umm...Are you insane or crazy or something

Or are you the Anti-Christ?

DarkSmokeNinja
What makes me insane? I'm wondering howe far people will go to devote themselves to an "imaginary"/non-provable entity over something (someone) that clearly does exist.

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#55 DarkSmokeNinja
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[QUOTE="DigitalExile"]

Well it's not about what I think. If they choose me because "God created you," then they are in fact not choosing one over the other, but both at the same time. My scenario said they could only choose one. By choosing both they are cheating. By cheating, an act I assume God wouldn't like, they are dishonoruing God by believing in Him (hope that made sense).

Genetic_Code

I forgot you were talking towards the theists.

DigitalExitile umm...Are you insane or crazy or something

Or are you the Anti-Christ?

DarkSmokeNinja

Sir.

I am the Anti-Christ. :|

No, I'm being serious (for the first time in 3 years)
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#56 DarkSmokeNinja
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[QUOTE="vlin1108"][QUOTE="DigitalExile"]

I'd like to know how the heck people cannot believe that I exist. =/

This is stupid, sure, I understand that. THAT makes sense. But it's, like having a bowl on the table with JUST an orange in it. Do you believe in the orange or the apple?

DigitalExile

Show us your body (with some proof like your gamespot account or so - but not in the way of your body!), and we will believe you.

Dude, how can I not exist? By responding to my post you've acknowledged stimuli that orignated with me and responded accordingly. With "God" you repond to stimuli that did not originate with Him (although you attribute it to Him).

DigitalExitile umm...Are you insane or crazy or something

Or are you the Anti-Christ?

DarkSmokeNinja
What makes me insane? I'm wondering howe far people will go to devote themselves to an "imaginary"/non-provable entity over something (someone) that clearly does exist.

What made you sound insane to me was your topic. It sounded like you wanted people to worship you like you were a God.

Also I don't put my faith in humans.

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[QUOTE="vlin1108"][QUOTE="DigitalExile"]

I'd like to know how the heck people cannot believe that I exist. =/

This is stupid, sure, I understand that. THAT makes sense. But it's, like having a bowl on the table with JUST an orange in it. Do you believe in the orange or the apple?

DigitalExile

Show us your body (with some proof like your gamespot account or so - but not in the way of your body!), and we will believe you.

Dude, how can I not exist? By responding to my post you've acknowledged stimuli that orignated with me and responded accordingly. With "God" you repond to stimuli that did not originate with Him (although you attribute it to Him).

I've chatted with AIM Bots, acknowledging stimuli that orignated with them and responded accordingly. Does that mean they exist? Well, in a server somewhere. But as a living being of some sort, no.

So what have you given us that proves that you are not some high-AI bot and actually a human?

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#58 DigitalExile
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What made you sound insane to me was your topic. It sounded like you wanted people to worship you like you were a God.

Also I don't put my faith in humans.

DarkSmokeNinja
Crazy? Nah. Ambitious... maybe.
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#59 SimpJee
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What made you sound insane to me was your topic. It sounded like you wanted people to worship you like you were a God.

Also I don't put my faith in humans.

DarkSmokeNinja

Must suck when you have to think about going to the doctor, being rescued by fireman/police, or being protected by the military.

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#61 MrGeezer
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]I wouldn't be able to choose. How do I know you're not some elaborate, AI generated script posting on a forum on the internetz?nocoolnamejim
Actually, this is a great point. I withdraw my earlier post.

Has an AI generated script ever passed the Turing Test?

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#62 DarkSmokeNinja
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[QUOTE="DarkSmokeNinja"]

What made you sound insane to me was your topic. It sounded like you wanted people to worship you like you were a God.

Also I don't put my faith in humans.

DigitalExile

Crazy? Nah. Ambitious... maybe.

If I were you I wouldn't get to carried away with that fact

Remember, God created you and everyone else on this earth. If he have the power to give life and take it and you are just a human then why the Hamsandwich do you think that someone would call you a God.

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#63 DarkSmokeNinja
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[QUOTE="DarkSmokeNinja"]What made you sound insane to me was your topic. It sounded like you wanted people to worship you like you were a God.

Also I don't put my faith in humans.

SimpJee

Must suck when you have to think about going to the doctor, being rescued by fireman/police, or being protected by the military.

I didn't say that I hate to be helped by someone, I was just saying that I doesn't matter how bad things get I will always have faith in God

Doctors aren't always right

Fireman/policeman can't save everyone.

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#65 SimpJee
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[QUOTE="SimpJee"][QUOTE="DarkSmokeNinja"]What made you sound insane to me was your topic. It sounded like you wanted people to worship you like you were a God.

Also I don't put my faith in humans.

DarkSmokeNinja

Must suck when you have to think about going to the doctor, being rescued by fireman/police, or being protected by the military.

I didn't say that I hate to be helped by someone, I was just saying that I doesn't matter how bad things get I will always have faith in God

Doctors aren't always right

Fireman/policeman can't save everyone.

Right but if you don't have faith in their abilities/existence, you have to be living in a pretty fearful state wouldn't you?

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#66 DarkSmokeNinja
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[QUOTE="DarkSmokeNinja"][QUOTE="DigitalExile"][QUOTE="DarkSmokeNinja"]

What made you sound insane to me was your topic. It sounded like you wanted people to worship you like you were a God.

Also I don't put my faith in humans.

Zathic

Crazy? Nah. Ambitious... maybe.

If I were you I wouldn't get to carried away with that fact

Remember, God created you and everyone else on this earth. If he have the power to give life and take it and you are just a human then why the Hamsandwich do you think that someone would call you a God.

Well humans have the power to give and take life away and that doesn't make us gods/goddesses.

Whoa, Hold it there Buckaroo, I never said anything about humans being Gods/Goddessess.
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#68 DigitalExile
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I've chatted with AIM Bots, acknowledging stimuli that orignated with them and responded accordingly. Does that mean they exist? Well, in a server somewhere. But as a living being of some sort, no.

So what have you given us that proves that you are not some high-AI bot and actually a human?

Ezgam3r

AIM bots exist, therefore, even if I am not organic I still exist. Now, in relation to my question, there is more proof that I exist than there is for God's own existance. The only thing that makes Him exist is that we can conjure up the idea of what a god would be and do.

Maybe doing this over the internet was not the smartest way to go since in essence you are as intangible here as you say God is.

Zathic

Same goes to you. The fact that I'm here right now responding to you is more than God is doing to prove Himself.

If I were you I wouldn't get to carried away with that fact

Remember, God created you and everyone else on this earth. If he have the power to give life and take it and you are just a human then why the Hamsandwich do you think that someone would call you a God.

DarkSmokeNinja
It was a joke. I already gave the reason for my asking the question. The only comparison I made between myself and God is our potential to exist.

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#69 DarkSmokeNinja
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[QUOTE="DarkSmokeNinja"][QUOTE="SimpJee"][QUOTE="DarkSmokeNinja"]What made you sound insane to me was your topic. It sounded like you wanted people to worship you like you were a God.

Also I don't put my faith in humans.

SimpJee

Must suck when you have to think about going to the doctor, being rescued by fireman/police, or being protected by the military.

I didn't say that I hate to be helped by someone, I was just saying that I doesn't matter how bad things get I will always have faith in God

Doctors aren't always right

Fireman/policeman can't save everyone.

Right but if you don't have faith in their abilities/existence, you have to be living in a pretty fearful state wouldn't you?

No. I don't fear no one on this earth and yeah, you probably don't believe me but its true.

Why should I fear humans.

Also I'm not affraid to die either, yeah if I saw my girlfriend about to get shot I would take the bullet for her. Dying is something that will happen to us all one day. Whether you want to die or not.

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#71 DarkSmokeNinja
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[QUOTE="Ezgam3r"]

I've chatted with AIM Bots, acknowledging stimuli that orignated with them and responded accordingly. Does that mean they exist? Well, in a server somewhere. But as a living being of some sort, no.

So what have you given us that proves that you are not some high-AI bot and actually a human?

DigitalExile

AIM bots exist, therefore, even if I am not organic I still exist. Now, in relation to my question, there is more proof that I exist than there is for God's own existance. The only thing that makes Him exist is that we can conjure up the idea of what a god would be and do.

Maybe doing this over the internet was not the smartest way to go since in essence you are as intangible here as you say God is.

Zathic

Same goes to you. The fact that I'm here right now responding to you is more than God is doing to prove Himself.

If I were you I wouldn't get to carried away with that fact

Remember, God created you and everyone else on this earth. If he have the power to give life and take it and you are just a human then why the Hamsandwich do you think that someone would call you a God.

DarkSmokeNinja
It was a joke. I already gave the reason for my asking the question. The only comparison I made between myself and God is our potential to exist.

It was a joke huh...

Be careful with the kind of jokes you make.(To me...it didn't sound like one)

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#72 DigitalExile
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I have to go now but I'll make time to respond to any new posts since the one before this.
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#74 SimpJee
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No. I don't fear no one on this earth and yeah, you probably don't believe me but its true.

Why should I fear humans.

Also I'm not affraid to die either, yeah if I saw my girlfriend about to get shot I would take the bullet for her. Dying is something that will happen to us all one day. Whether you want to die or not.

DarkSmokeNinja

I don't know about the whole dying will happen to everyone thing, but if you can live with the possibility that there is no God and there is no next life beyond death, and still not care about dying that's fine I suppose. Just don't waste this life as it might be the only one you have.

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#75 DarkSmokeNinja
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[QUOTE="DarkSmokeNinja"][QUOTE="SimpJee"][QUOTE="DarkSmokeNinja"][QUOTE="SimpJee"][QUOTE="DarkSmokeNinja"]What made you sound insane to me was your topic. It sounded like you wanted people to worship you like you were a God.

Also I don't put my faith in humans.

Zathic

Must suck when you have to think about going to the doctor, being rescued by fireman/police, or being protected by the military.

I didn't say that I hate to be helped by someone, I was just saying that I doesn't matter how bad things get I will always have faith in God

Doctors aren't always right

Fireman/policeman can't save everyone.

Right but if you don't have faith in their abilities/existence, you have to be living in a pretty fearful state wouldn't you?

No. I don't fear no one on this earth and yeah, you probably don't believe me but its true.

Why should I fear humans.

Also I'm not affraid to die either, yeah if I saw my girlfriend about to get shot I would take the bullet for her. Dying is something that will happen to us all one day. Whether you want to die or not.

That's why people say that there are much worse things than dying. For instance you may not be afraid to die, but are you not afraid that someone could hurt those you love?

I guess you can say that I can get worried about family and friends.
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#76 DarkSmokeNinja
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[QUOTE="DarkSmokeNinja"]No. I don't fear no one on this earth and yeah, you probably don't believe me but its true.

Why should I fear humans.

Also I'm not affraid to die either, yeah if I saw my girlfriend about to get shot I would take the bullet for her. Dying is something that will happen to us all one day. Whether you want to die or not.

SimpJee

I don't know about the whole dying will happen to everyone thing, but if you can live with the possibility that there is no God and there is no next life beyond death, and still not care about dying that's fine I suppose. Just don't waste this life as it might be the only one you have.

Trust me, there is a heaven, and there is a hell, and I don't intent on going to hell.

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#77 SimpJee
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Trust me, there is a heaven, and there is a hell, and I don't intent on going to hell.
DarkSmokeNinja

Where do you get this confidence from exactly? Would not mind hearing about it.

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#79 SimpJee
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[QUOTE="SimpJee"]

[QUOTE="DarkSmokeNinja"]Trust me, there is a heaven, and there is a hell, and I don't intent on going to hell.
DarkSmokeNinja

Where do you get this confidence from exactly? Would not mind hearing about it.

Kid just read the Bible

END OF STORY

*vanishes into smoke*

:lol:

YOU read the Bible, I've read the whole thing cover to cover and have found nothing very compelling to believe in God.

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#80 gbpman630
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I believe in you, cause there had to be someone who made this thread (and it wasn't God).
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#81 DarkSmokeNinja
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*teleports back*

Darn I dropped my wallet...Oh, I found it

*teleports away*

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#82 deactivated-5a79221380856
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Kid just read the Bible

END OF STORY

*vanishes into smoke*

DarkSmokeNinja

Reading the Bible is what made me an atheist.

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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]I wouldn't be able to choose. How do I know you're not some elaborate, AI generated script posting on a forum on the internetz?MrGeezer

Actually, this is a great point. I withdraw my earlier post.

Has an AI generated script ever passed the Turing Test?

Nah. But he could just be an advanced piece of alien technology.

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#84 superheromonkey
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hmmm interesting thought. I don't trust my sensory evidence, so I don't believe you exist. I however know that i exist, so I must have got here somehow, and macroevolution has as much empirical evidence as reincarnation. On top of this our universe had a starting point, and that theory about a bunch of universes existing is a bunch of crap too. So I am inclined to believe a creator exists or existed at some point. Now whether this creator is the judeo christian God is a much different issue. It is also another issue about whether the creator still exists. However, given that Israel was monotheistic, which is much more philosophically sound than polytheism, in an age of polytheism is interesting. Counteracting this is that, from my current understanding, the Bible, which is the holy book of christianity, also has several incongruencies, which would point me to the direction of not trusting it. However, any argument for the christian God must stem from this book, which we know has errors. However, for most of my life so far i was convinced that I had a religious experience. Now i don't know if it was all just in my head. And i already said that sensory evidence sucks. So I don't know, and I am still typing for no real reason.

These questions keep me up at night.

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#85 Link256
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Why can we not believe in both? I mean, for all we know, you could be God? :o

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#86 SHADOW13131313
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Coming from an extremely christian family as a kid they took me to church every sunday and the more I read and listened the more I thought it was BS.All they do is brain-wash kids to make them do everythingmommy and daddy tell them or they go to hell.
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#87 Amon-Amarth
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IMO religion is very hypocrytical, I mean for example catholics preach about charity and stuff right? But what do you think the pope is doing right now, probably sitting in his golden palace drinking expensive wine. And aren't some priests pedophiles? It just all seems a pointless waste of time to me.

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#88 bsman00
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I dont believe in "god" or "you" i believe in ME
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#89 go-cizmek
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Oh good there's a third option.
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#90 flowdee79
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Your just text and pictures. How many followers do you have?
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#91 reiv
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I'll take it for granted that you exist. No harm in that. I've no reason to believe a god exists.
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#92 Firebrace
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I think I'll go with God.
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#93 markop2003
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i don't believe in anything, including all of reality and me, but as that dosn't get me very far i believe just in what i see and what matters to me if i believe in it or not

for example: i beleive new york exists as it efects the economy and that effects me but i ddo not believe that people live there as that dosn't effect me so as i have no proof of them being there and it has no effect on me there's no point me believing in it

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#94 1mpaler-w6rbnd
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I believe in God thank you.
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#95 camarowu
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I believe in Joe Pesci.
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#96 -Austin-
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And aren't some priests pedophiles?Amon-Amarth

Yeah, and your point is?

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#97 jlh47
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How about the fact that I am here responding to your posts, on the spot? Where as you have nothing to suggest that God even exists.DigitalExile

umm i have the trees, the rocks, the ocean, mountains, the whole earth to prove that God is here. ps. and the entire universe.

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[QUOTE="DigitalExile"]How about the fact that I am here responding to your posts, on the spot? Where as you have nothing to suggest that God even exists.jlh47

umm i have the trees, the rocks, the ocean, mountains, the whole earth to prove that God is here. ps. and the entire universe.

How do those prove that God exist?

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#99 DarkSmokeNinja
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[QUOTE="jlh47"]

[QUOTE="DigitalExile"]How about the fact that I am here responding to your posts, on the spot? Where as you have nothing to suggest that God even exists.Funky_Llama

umm i have the trees, the rocks, the ocean, mountains, the whole earth to prove that God is here. ps. and the entire universe.

How do those prove that God exist?

Because God created all of it, end of story...
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#100 jlh47
Member since 2007 • 3326 Posts

[QUOTE="DigitalExile"]How about the fact that I am here responding to your posts, on the spot? Where as you have nothing to suggest that God even exists.SolidSnake35
You are the work of God.

that was seriously a great comeback.