Do you believe in God, or me?

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="jlh47"]

[QUOTE="DigitalExile"]How about the fact that I am here responding to your posts, on the spot? Where as you have nothing to suggest that God even exists.DarkSmokeNinja

umm i have the trees, the rocks, the ocean, mountains, the whole earth to prove that God is here. ps. and the entire universe.

How do those prove that God exist?

That's begging the question. Try again. ;)

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="DigitalExile"]How about the fact that I am here responding to your posts, on the spot? Where as you have nothing to suggest that God even exists.jlh47

that was seriously a great comeback.

No it wasn't. It was begging the question.

i don't believe in anything, including all of reality and me, but as that dosn't get me very far i believe just in what i see and what matters to me if i believe in it or not

for example: i beleive new york exists as it efects the economy and that effects me but i ddo not believe that people live there as that dosn't effect me so as i have no proof of them being there and it has no effect on me there's no point me believing in it

markop2003

Your whole belief system is based on a fallacious appeal to consequences. Whether believing in something serves a point is irrelevant to whether it actually exists.

The cake is a lie hamstergeddon

Omg no rly?

[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"]The cake is a lie I_pWnzz_YoU

Omg no rly?

I rather go with God.AnimeKiller

Would you really? Or would you rather go with Charzard :lol:

I don't believe in God - one may exist, but it'll never be proved.

I don't believe in the TC either, for he is a lie! :evil:

what have you ever done to make me believe in you?Serraph105

He created this very topic.

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]what have you ever done to make me believe in you?I_pWnzz_YoU

He created this very topic.

he could also be the devil trying to turn me for all i know (go ahead prove me wrong) which would say to me god exists

[QUOTE="DigitalExile"]

If you were in a position to only believe in ONE of us, who would it be and why? I know this seems silly, and it probably is, but it's a bit interesting too. Can ones faith in God be so overpowering that they believe in Him no matter what the other options are?

And, by (if you do) choosing me, what does that make God/where does that leave Him?

nocoolnamejim

Yep.

It is certain, beyond reasonable doubt that 'you' exist.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]I wouldn't be able to choose. How do I know you're not some elaborate, AI generated script posting on a forum on the internetz?nocoolnamejim

Oh noez.

Why not attribute the term 'you' to the AI instead. It may not be human but it still exists.

God's existance has been proven through Biblical accounts and prophecies. Philosophers, to, have proven that one almighty being must exist. It's only science that fails to comprehend. mysterylobster

That's because science seeks to answer what is falsifiable. It has nothing to do with a "failure to comprehend".

I'll go with God...LJS9502_basic

I believe in me, yoko and me. Now thats reality!

:D

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]I wouldn't be able to choose. How do I know you're not some elaborate, AI generated script posting on a forum on the internetz?MetalGear_Ninty

Oh noez.

Why not attribute the term 'you' to the AI instead. It may not be human but it still exists.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I'll go with God...Proobie44

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[QUOTE="Serraph105"]what have you ever done to make me believe in you?Serraph105

He created this very topic.

he could also be the devil trying to turn me for all i know (go ahead prove me wrong) which would say to me god exists

The devil usually doesn't post on Gamespot. I heard he was sighted posting at IGN though.

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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]I wouldn't be able to choose. How do I know you're not some elaborate, AI generated script posting on a forum on the internetz?Vandalvideo

Oh noez.

Why not attribute the term 'you' to the AI instead. It may not be human but it still exists.

I don't get what you're trying to say, the AI still exists, even if it is not human.

I don't get what you're trying to say, the AI still exists, even if it is not human.MetalGear_Ninty

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]I don't get what you're trying to say, the AI still exists, even if it is not human.Vandalvideo

Yes it does. Of course it does. A cancer mutates from healthy cells, but the cancer in and of itsefl still exists.

God's existance has been proven through Biblical accounts and prophecies. Philosophers, to, have proven that one almighty being must exist. It's only science that fails to comprehend. mysterylobster

Yes it does. Of course it does. A cancer mutates from healthy cells, but the cancer in and of itsefl still exists.MetalGear_Ninty

Me love you long time. :oops:cryptosopoidium

Thats what she said....I later came to find that she didn't mean it though :cry:

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]Yes it does. Of course it does. A cancer mutates from healthy cells, but the cancer in and of itsefl still exists.Vandalvideo

Your mind is not tangible, you can't physically see it or manipulate it, would you dare say that your mind does not exist?

Your mind is not tangible, you can't physically see it or manipulate it, would you dare say that your mind does not exist? MetalGear_Ninty

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]Your mind is not tangible, you can't physically see it or manipulate it, would you dare say that your mind does not exist? Vandalvideo

Erm, I am thinking, that is evidence of my mind right there.

There is something tangible about an AI, and that is its effects -- this conversation started with the assumption that the AI created the OP, therefore the AI exists.

NOTE: You've got this in reverse -- How do you know you can touch a person, it may be just your senses just fooling you, however we know with certainty that our individual minds exist.

Erm, I am thinking, that is evidence of my mind right there. There is something tangible about an AI, and that is its effects -- this conversation started with the assumption that the AI createdf the OP, therefore the AI exists. NOTE: You've got this in reverse -- How do you know you can touch a person, it may be just your senses just fooling you, however we know with certainty that our individual minds exist.MetalGear_Ninty

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]Erm, I am thinking, that is evidence of my mind right there. There is something tangible about an AI, and that is its effects -- this conversation started with the assumption that the AI createdf the OP, therefore the AI exists. NOTE: You've got this in reverse -- How do you know you can touch a person, it may be just your senses just fooling you, however we know with certainty that our individual minds exist.Vandalvideo

I really don't see where this is going :lol:

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]Erm, I am thinking, that is evidence of my mind right there. There is something tangible about an AI, and that is its effects -- this conversation started with the assumption that the AI createdf the OP, therefore the AI exists. NOTE: You've got this in reverse -- How do you know you can touch a person, it may be just your senses just fooling you, however we know with certainty that our individual minds exist.Vandalvideo

Just because something isn't universally observable does not mean it does not exist. Even if the mind is a result of chemical reactions, then the result is the mind. I think, therefore I have a mind. The mind exists and that is undisputable.

Also, it was you who refuted my argument that the AI existed after I said it could have written the OP. Your tangibility argument is futile -- we cannot see logic, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, we cannot see time, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Just because you can't observe things in a lab does not mean it doesn't exist. Your sense could be fooling you, you can't observe something beyond the brain, thereby going by your very same logic, nothing exists at all.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]Erm, I am thinking, that is evidence of my mind right there. There is something tangible about an AI, and that is its effects -- this conversation started with the assumption that the AI createdf the OP, therefore the AI exists. NOTE: You've got this in reverse -- How do you know you can touch a person, it may be just your senses just fooling you, however we know with certainty that our individual minds exist.I_pWnzz_YoU

I really don't see where this is going :lol:

And now we all have to go the hypercube, someone divided by 0.

Just because something isn't universally observable does not mean it does not exist. Even if the mind is a result of chemical reactions, then the result is the mind. I think, therefore I have a mind. The mind exists in that is undisputable.MetalGear_Ninty

Also, it was you who refuted my argument that the AI existed after I said it could have written the OP. Your tangibility argument is futile -- we cannot see logic, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, we cannot see time, that does mean it doesn't exist.

Just because you can't observe things in a lab does not mean it doesn't exist. Your sense could be fooling, you can't observe something beyond the brain, thereby going by your very same logic, nothing exists at all.

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]Just because something isn't universally observable does not mean it does not exist. Even if the mind is a result of chemical reactions, then the result is the mind. I think, therefore I have a mind. The mind exists in that is undisputable.Vandalvideo

Wrong. You have to prove tangible evidence to prove that something exists or it is nothing more than conjecture. Once again, show me a picture of a mind. Or better yet, pull your mind out a cadaver, lay it on the table, disect it, and show it to me.

[QUOTE="MetalGearNinty"], it was you who refuted my argument that the AI existed after I said it could have written the OP. Your tangibility argument is futile -- we cannot see logic, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, we cannot see time, that does mean it doesn't exist.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="MetalGearNinty"] Just because you can't observe things in a lab does not mean it doesn't exist. Your sense could be fooling, you can't observe something beyond the brain, thereby going by your very same logic, nothing exists at all.Vandalvideo

No, because from the start you've been arguing that to prove something you need empirical evidence, and thus complete evidence. But complete evidence does not exist, as you cannot empirically prove that your sense are true, therefore you can't absolutely prove anything, thereby, going by your logic of no empirical evidence, nothing exists at all.

No. It is called logic. I think, therefore my mind exists. That is an absolute fact. By definition the mind exists, to the dispute the existence of mind is to dispute that you think.MetalGear_Ninty

A=B, B=C, therefore A=C. That logic exists. You can't refute that, even if it is constructed by the human mind, that does not invalidate its existence.

No, because from the start you've been arguing that to prove something you need empirical evidence, and thus complete evidence. But complete evidence does not exist, as you cannot empirically prove that your sense are true, therefore you can't absolutely prove anything, thereby, going by your logic of no empirical evidence, nothing exists at all.

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] No. It is called logic. I think, therefore my mind exists. That is an absolute fact. By definition the mind exists, to the dispute the existence of mind is to dispute that you think.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="MetalGearNinty"] A=B, B=C, therefore A=C. That logic exists. You can't refute that, even if it is constructed by the human mind, that does not invalidate its existence.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="MetalGearNinty"]No, because from the start you've been arguing that to prove something you need empirical evidence, and thus complete evidence. But complete evidence does not exist, as you cannot empirically prove that your sense are true, therefore you can't absolutely prove anything, thereby, going by your logic of no empirical evidence, nothing exists at all. Vandalvideo