Do you believe in the Darwin Theory?

i was not attacking evolution directly, but EVERYTHING had to start somewhere. i believe that we as humans cannot fathom the "bigginning" and there was a supernatural force that was is and always will be. i have witnessed breakthroughs, healings, and other gifts in my church. you wouldnt understand. its something that needs to be seen for yourself, not on a television. and that is mainly why i believe in God.

ski11buzz

If everything had to start somewhere, what created God?

[QUOTE="ski11buzz"]

i was not attacking evolution directly, but EVERYTHING had to start somewhere. i believe that we as humans cannot fathom the "bigginning" and there was a supernatural force that was is and always will be. i have witnessed breakthroughs, healings, and other gifts in my church. you wouldnt understand. its something that needs to be seen for yourself, not on a television. and that is mainly why i believe in God.

james28893

If everything had to start somewhere, what created God?

[QUOTE="james28893"]

[QUOTE="ski11buzz"]

i was not attacking evolution directly, but EVERYTHING had to start somewhere. i believe that we as humans cannot fathom the "bigginning" and there was a supernatural force that was is and always will be. i have witnessed breakthroughs, healings, and other gifts in my church. you wouldnt understand. its something that needs to be seen for yourself, not on a television. and that is mainly why i believe in God.

MattUD1

If everything had to start somewhere, what created God?

True, but why did God wait for an infinite amount of time before creating everything?

So you are saying that I should run outside and yell like a gorilla, Evolution, what a jokeFuzzman38

No, thats why we are evolved, that way we dont have to yell like gorril...you know its just easier to call you stupid.

[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="james28893"]

[QUOTE="ski11buzz"]

i was not attacking evolution directly, but EVERYTHING had to start somewhere. i believe that we as humans cannot fathom the "bigginning" and there was a supernatural force that was is and always will be. i have witnessed breakthroughs, healings, and other gifts in my church. you wouldnt understand. its something that needs to be seen for yourself, not on a television. and that is mainly why i believe in God.

Chavyneebslod

If everything had to start somewhere, what created God?

True, but why did God wait for an infinite amount of time before creating everything?

Because he doesnt exist.

[QUOTE="Chavyneebslod"][QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="james28893"]

[QUOTE="ski11buzz"]

i was not attacking evolution directly, but EVERYTHING had to start somewhere. i believe that we as humans cannot fathom the "bigginning" and there was a supernatural force that was is and always will be. i have witnessed breakthroughs, healings, and other gifts in my church. you wouldnt understand. its something that needs to be seen for yourself, not on a television. and that is mainly why i believe in God.

xxDustmanxx

If everything had to start somewhere, what created God?

True, but why did God wait for an infinite amount of time before creating everything?

Because he doesnt exist.

Yes, but dispite that contrary statement, lets keep this little thought experiment going. Lets see if GS OT can run up a psychological profile of the the big man.

[QUOTE="LJSEXAY"]

[QUOTE="kingamez"]I believe in evolution. *hides from incoming lightening bolts from god*kingamez

FYI....evolution doesn't disprove God. I don't know why so many atheists assume it does.

If you believe in evolution then you don't believe in the fact that God created life.

Evolution is mans way of saying this is what I think is going on, I believe in God and that we were created in his image. Not some crap flinging ape that scratches and sniffs his own arse! Furthermore, Atheists are nothing more than people that have had bad things happen and can't grasp why! So they blame God! It's the ultimate, I hate my daddy complex!

[QUOTE="kingamez"][QUOTE="LJSEXAY"]

[QUOTE="kingamez"]I believe in evolution. *hides from incoming lightening bolts from god*SHO_ONE

FYI....evolution doesn't disprove God. I don't know why so many atheists assume it does.

If you believe in evolution then you don't believe in the fact that God created life.

Evolution is mans way of saying this is what I think is going on, I believe in God and that we were created in his image. Not some crap flinging ape that scratches and sniffs his own arse! Furthermore, Atheists are nothing more than people that have had bad things happen and can't grasp why! So they blame God! It's the ultimate, I hate my daddy complex!

[QUOTE="kingamez"][QUOTE="LJSEXAY"]

[QUOTE="kingamez"]I believe in evolution. *hides from incoming lightening bolts from god*SHO_ONE

FYI....evolution doesn't disprove God. I don't know why so many atheists assume it does.

If you believe in evolution then you don't believe in the fact that God created life.

Evolution is mans way of saying this is what I think is going on, I believe in God and that we were created in his image. Not some crap flinging ape that scratches and sniffs his own arse! Furthermore, Atheists are nothing more than people that have had bad things happen and can't grasp why! So they blame God! It's the ultimate, I hate my daddy complex!

Have you seen George Bush recently? And that's what Theists believe, because of their inability to comprhend "why?" they create an invisible, omnipotent, omniscient being.

[QUOTE="ski11buzz"]but then were did the very first cells come from? a huge explosion? gimme a breakMattUD1

[QUOTE="kingamez"][QUOTE="LJSEXAY"]

[QUOTE="kingamez"]I believe in evolution. *hides from incoming lightening bolts from god*SHO_ONE

FYI....evolution doesn't disprove God. I don't know why so many atheists assume it does.

If you believe in evolution then you don't believe in the fact that God created life.

Evolution is mans way of saying this is what I think is going on, I believe in God and that we were created in his image. Not some crap flinging ape that scratches and sniffs his own arse! Furthermore, Atheists are nothing more than people that have had bad things happen and can't grasp why! So they blame God! It's the ultimate, I hate my daddy complex!

Actually you have it backwards.God is mans way of saying this is what we think is going on.Evolution is what we KNow is going on.And no one said our ancestors flang poop, and if they did, we evolved past it.You sir are an idiot.

evolutionists and athiests are the same kind of people, They make up all these statements to sound like they're but they know they're wrong.Fuzzman38

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Evolution is mans way of saying this is what I think is going on, I believe in God and that we were created in his image. Not some crap flinging ape that scratches and sniffs his own arse! Furthermore, Atheists are nothing more than people that have had bad things happen and can't grasp why! So they blame God! It's the ultimate, I hate my daddy complex!

SHO_ONE

And logic takes another beating. How can someone who doesn't believe in God hate or blame God for anything? Think, brother. Evolution is man's way of saying "this is what I have discovered through painstaking research what is going on." And no evolutionist says we come from apes, only that we and apes share a common ancestor.

True, but why did God wait for an infinite amount of time before creating everything?

Chavyneebslod

Time doesn't exist in God's parallel. Time is man made. Don't make a mistake and ask the wrong question expecting some kind of answer.. You have to ask the right question to get the right answer and we can't answer something we don't understand or can comprehend.

In that case what caused the big bang, was there ever a big bang? What exists outside of the universe? If there is an outside of the Uni, how do we know? We never been, never seen it or experienced it with our senses, logically it doesn't exist if your thinking is in correlation to an atheist mentality:P Hell, logically nothing outside of my state exist for that matter since I've never experienced it with my own senses --> Logic. Sure I've seen it on TV but I've also seen talking lizards and monkeys on TV.:o

Anyone see what I just did there?:)

Because he doesnt exist.

xxDustmanxx

Any proof?

[QUOTE="Chavyneebslod"]

True, but why did God wait for an infinite amount of time before creating everything?

Pro_wrestler

Time doesn't exist in God's parallel. Time is man made. Don't make a mistake and ask the wrong question expecting some kind of answer.. You have to ask the right question to get the right answer and we can't answer something we don't understand or can comprehend.

In that case what caused the big bang, was there ever a big bang? What exists outside of the universe? If there is an outside of the Uni, how do we know? We never been, never seen it or experienced it with our senses, logically it doesn't exist if your thinking is in correlation to an atheist mentality:P Hell, logically nothing outside of my state exist for that matter since I've never experienced it with my own senses --> Logic. Sure I've seen it on TV but I've also seen talking lizards and monkeys on TV.:o

Anyone see what I just did there?:)

Because he doesnt exist.

xxDustmanxx

Any proof?

Is there any proof that he does exist? Oh and BTW science =/= atheism.

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="Chavyneebslod"]

True, but why did God wait for an infinite amount of time before creating everything?

Silent-Hal

Time doesn't exist in God's parallel. Time is man made. Don't make a mistake and ask the wrong question expecting some kind of answer.. You have to ask the right question to get the right answer and we can't answer something we don't understand or can comprehend.

In that case what caused the big bang, was there ever a big bang? What exists outside of the universe? If there is an outside of the Uni, how do we know? We never been, never seen it or experienced it with our senses, logically it doesn't exist if your thinking is in correlation to an atheist mentality:P Hell, logically nothing outside of my state exist for that matter since I've never experienced it with my own senses --> Logic. Sure I've seen it on TV but I've also seen talking lizards and monkeys on TV.:o

Anyone see what I just did there?:)

Because he doesnt exist.

xxDustmanxx

Is there any proof that he does exist? I've never experienced him with my own sense so logically he doesn't exist.

Any proof?

Read St. Thomas Aquinas he uses valid logic to prove the existence of god in 5 different attempts. One or two are pretty damn good too. But, given your post I'm guessing you don't actually know what logic is (from a logicians standpoint).

evolutionists and athiests are the same kind of people, They make up all these statements to sound like they're but they know they're wrong.Fuzzman38

[QUOTE="Silent-Hal"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="Chavyneebslod"]

True, but why did God wait for an infinite amount of time before creating everything?

eddy_of_york

Time doesn't exist in God's parallel. Time is man made. Don't make a mistake and ask the wrong question expecting some kind of answer.. You have to ask the right question to get the right answer and we can't answer something we don't understand or can comprehend.

In that case what caused the big bang, was there ever a big bang? What exists outside of the universe? If there is an outside of the Uni, how do we know? We never been, never seen it or experienced it with our senses, logically it doesn't exist if your thinking is in correlation to an atheist mentality:P Hell, logically nothing outside of my state exist for that matter since I've never experienced it with my own senses --> Logic. Sure I've seen it on TV but I've also seen talking lizards and monkeys on TV.:o

Anyone see what I just did there?:)

Because he doesnt exist.

xxDustmanxx

Is there any proof that he does exist? I've never experienced him with my own sense so logically he doesn't exist.

Any proof?

Read St. Thomas Aquinas he uses valid logic to prove the existence of god in 5 different attempts. One or two are pretty damn good too. But, given your post I'm guessing you don't actually know what logic is (from a logicians standpoint).

I said that to be ironic in turn of what the guy I quoted from was saying.I since edited my post to avoid confusion.

fossil records anyone? a hell of a lot more convincing than the "holy" bible more used throughout history as a method for the strong to control the weak and maintain hierarchy than for any divine purpose. evolution and adaptation to the environment is so well documented it is not a theory at all it is indisputable fact, along with natural selection. However, the entire darwin theory is not water tight as there are some gaps i fossil records.

Also the evolution of bacterium to have a flagellum throws up some issues to the theory. The flagellum is a vdery complex adaptatioon, in order for natural selection to work and organism has to have an adaptation that will give it a benefit in its environment and make it more likely to reproduce. Howver, the flagellum is made up of many different parts, which if only one was formed through mutation would offer no advantage.

This does suggest the possibilit of intelligent design, but certainly not creationism. Also just because something is mathematically improbable does not make it impossible.

the big bang theory can be proved through red shift where light that is given off by distant stars is shifted towards the red end of the visible light spectrum. This suggests that the object is actually moving away from something at a faster rate than we are. That something is the big bang.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"][QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"]

[QUOTE="Revinh"]

It's not that I don't know how to quit, but I actually explain more about my side and I'm having to go up against like 20 people.Revinh

All you've done is cite Creationist websites with no scientific credibility while ignoring piles of direct evidence refuting every claim you've made.

I'd consider that not knowing when to quit. Seriously, creationevolution websites? :lol:

You might as well cite KKK sites when arguing about civil rights issues

Right, I probably made over a hundred posts talking about this subject and that's all I've done.

And do you know how to read? it's creationevolution.net

lol, sorry I'm still chuckling at the fact that you use sites like that in Debates. I've looked over the site, and all it did was turn me into a human ROFT COPTOR.

Good for you. I guess you're not a donkey anymore. evolution yay!

You miss the entire point of the sight.. Any sight that involves any form of creationism into soemthing is extremely bias based on belief.. Evolution is a scientific theory that the community has accepted as fact through emperical evidence.. Evolution does not exist as a belief, it was only formed through emperical evidence, unlike creation.. It can be changed and refined as more evidence declares, it is not stuck on a dogmatic system of bias it is a living and breathing fact that gets more and more refined as more discoveries are made..

That's retarded. You're being biased simply because the word creation is on the domain name. Why don't you actually study the site and figure out if it is "extremely biased based on belief"?

I never said that sight was poor its alright.. I read some parts of it and certainly didnt match up to the latest explainations of leading biologists.. I am just saying in GENERAL.. And you need to settle down this is suppose to be a friendly debate.. As it stands people Science >< Faith.. Science can only go so far.. But as it stands the scientific explaination seems far more logical then earth being built in 7 days and adam and eve.. These things seem to defie our natural laws in multiple ways thats not worth mentioning.

Is there any proof that he does exist? Oh and BTW science =/= atheism.

Silent-Hal

I asked for proof first, I didn't make the statement implying that he did exist so I'm not held with the burden of proof.

I didn't say science equated to atheism. Many athiest rely on empirical evidence to judge wether or not a higher power exists. Without empirical evidence, how can the philosophy of science apply. Thats how science and religion conflict and thats why I related the two.

Read St. Thomas Aquinas he uses valid logic to prove the existence of god in 5 different attempts. One or two are pretty damn good too. But, given your post I'm guessing you don't actually know what logic is (from a logicians standpoint).

eddy_of_york

3 says that all things are contingent, and there must be something to cause these contingencies, namely god. firstly, this is based upon the assumption that these contingencies NEED to be held in existence by god. a big assumption. secondly, it creates all sorts of problems concerning the existence of evil. it means that every tsunami and hurricane and earthquake, god holds in existence, as they are contingent. bit of a knock on his benevolence

4 suggests something more akin to platos world of the forms than a god

5 is just intelligent design theory, which with our greater understanding of the world around us, doesn't have the knockdown force it once did.

I find it so funny that America want's to hang on to Creationism and Intelligent Design when the rest of the world, and the majority of Biologists, Archeoligists, Physicists, and every other bright mind in the Scientific Community believe in the Theory of Evolution.

Now I don't have a problem with teaching Creationism and ID in schools in America....as long as it is discussed in a Theology class and not a Biology class. It makes no sense to teach unscientific hypothesis' in a science class. Besides I can't believe that so many people think 'poof' and then there was man as opposed to 1 cell then 2 cell then 3 cell etc. which makes just more sense.

[QUOTE="kingamez"]I believe in evolution. *hides from incoming lightening bolts from god*LJSEXAY

FYI....evolution doesn't disprove God. I don't know why so many atheists assume it does.

actually evolution took a pretty long time, while it was said that god created everything in what...........seven days??? so yea, it kinda does disprove it.

[QUOTE="LJSEXAY"]

[QUOTE="kingamez"]I believe in evolution. *hides from incoming lightening bolts from god*firebreathing

FYI....evolution doesn't disprove God. I don't know why so many atheists assume it does.

actually evolution took a pretty long time, while it was said that god created everything in what...........seven days??? so yea, it kinda does disprove it.

[QUOTE="LJSEXAY"]

[QUOTE="kingamez"]I believe in evolution. *hides from incoming lightening bolts from god*firebreathing

FYI....evolution doesn't disprove God. I don't know why so many atheists assume it does.

actually evolution took a pretty long time, while it was said that god created everything in what...........seven days??? so yea, it kinda does disprove it.

if god destroyed all the world except for Noah due to sin, then i find our continued existence a bit hypocritical.Dantes_Monkey

[QUOTE="firebreathing"][QUOTE="LJSEXAY"]

[QUOTE="kingamez"]I believe in evolution. *hides from incoming lightening bolts from god*Mr_sprinkles

FYI....evolution doesn't disprove God. I don't know why so many atheists assume it does.

actually evolution took a pretty long time, while it was said that god created everything in what...........seven days??? so yea, it kinda does disprove it.

That is just a poor attempt by many churches to continue to make the Bible and religion relevant. The truth according to the Bible is that God came to Moses and told Moses what to write, no metaphors. Through the years due to science, many things discussed in the Bible have been proven to just not be possible/true and so Ministers, Pastors, Priests, Cardinals, and everyone else has had to change their story.

Evolution doesn't disprove/prove God's exsistence. The reason is that in order for us to scientifically say that God does not exsist we would have to simultaneously exam every single particle in the US. But Science can say that most likely God doesn't exsist the same way that we can say that the Dodo bird is extinct.

It would actually be easier to prove God's exsistence, all God has to do is show him/her/itself. What baffles me is why hasn't God shown it's self, why must there be this faith. The reason is most likely because God was created in Man's image, and not Man created in God's image.

And to any Atheist that claims that God does not exsist is simply not as enlightened as they think they are.

[QUOTE="james28893"]

[QUOTE="ski11buzz"]

i was not attacking evolution directly, but EVERYTHING had to start somewhere. i believe that we as humans cannot fathom the "bigginning" and there was a supernatural force that was is and always will be. i have witnessed breakthroughs, healings, and other gifts in my church. you wouldnt understand. its something that needs to be seen for yourself, not on a television. and that is mainly why i believe in God.

MattUD1

If everything had to start somewhere, what created God?

[QUOTE="Dantes_Monkey"]if god destroyed all the world except for Noah due to sin, then i find our continued existence a bit hypocritical.Mr_sprinkles

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[QUOTE="kingamez"]I believe in evolution. *hides from incoming lightening bolts from god*Mr_sprinkles

FYI....evolution doesn't disprove God. I don't know why so many atheists assume it does.

actually evolution took a pretty long time, while it was said that god created everything in what...........seven days??? so yea, it kinda does disprove it.

[QUOTE="kingamez"][QUOTE="LJSEXAY"]

[QUOTE="kingamez"]I believe in evolution. *hides from incoming lightening bolts from god*SHO_ONE

FYI....evolution doesn't disprove God. I don't know why so many atheists assume it does.

If you believe in evolution then you don't believe in the fact that God created life.

Evolution is mans way of saying this is what I think is going on, I believe in God and that we were created in his image. Not some crap flinging ape that scratches and sniffs his own arse! Furthermore, Atheists are nothing more than people that have had bad things happen and can't grasp why! So they blame God! It's the ultimate, I hate my daddy complex!

...Wait. People actually believe the Adam & Eve story over Evolutionary theory...? A theory which, essentially, is fact at this point...? In favour of a story about a woman being made from a rib bone in a garden by a mystical sentient being who was a bit bored...?

FYI....evolution doesn't disprove God. I don't know why so many atheists assume it does.

LJSEXAY

...Wait. People actually believe the Adam & Eve story over Evolutionary theory...? A theory which, essentially, is fact at this point...? In favour of a story about a woman being made from a rib bone in a garden by a mystical sentient being who was a bit bored...?

SpigleyMcCheese

They believe in God's power, shall I assume?

I believe the darwin theory does stem from some truth, and that we humans do have a common ancestor with previous primates. I agree with most of the theory, but i don't believe that evolution is 100% Random. Many many many years ago when i first heard of that evolution is random in a biology class, i almost choked on the thought. Making few distiguishing differences from biological mutation and the basis of evolving. considering that if it was completely random -Billions/Trillions of prehumans would of have to of died off for the complexity of the human body to reach the level it is now, Intelligence, Immune system, etc. etc. I believe that evolution is triggered, and responsive to the environment and the evolving creature. Like how giraffs(sp) adapted long necks, how humans no longer have tails, or how re-opened wounds scar making the surface skin layer tougher. i would go into detail but thats my basic point.middito

So you believe there is some sort of god?

The way things evolve is, that there is a random "failure" and if that "failure" is a heplful one, the creature with it might survive longer and hence having more kids with the same "failure" and so on. So it is random.

evolutionists and athiests are the same kind of people, They make up all these statements to sound like they're right but they know they're wrong.Fuzzman38

Because we all know the Bible is way more scientific than evolution.

I know I'll hurt some people here, and I know it's wrong to think this way, but the way I see it, the majority of religious people are to stupid to understand complicated theories so they just say "God did it" and don't think about it anymore.

And to the people who say "Prove God doesn't exist", prove that he does. You can't just say "Prove that that guy didn't kill JFK, and then get him jailed for it, because you can't prove that he didn't.

I will bless this thread with its 500th post.

I don't know what to think on this topic. I couldn't care less though.