Do you believe same sex marriage is okay?

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[QUOTE="Dank_Dangler"]

it is like a conclusion to an inevitable end.

Dank_Dangler

Like... a come-down?

The end will never come, just a temporary ruse to justify a means to a never-ending end.

i'm against it, because same sex marriage affects my well-being.

here's prooflonewolf604

Same-sex marriage effects your wellbeing? Are you that insecure?

[QUOTE="lonewolf604"]

i'm against it, because same sex marriage affects my well-being.

here's proofDank_Dangler

Same-sex marriage effects your wellbeing? Are you that insecure?

If you had you'd have noticed that he is joking.

i'm against it, because same sex marriage affects my well-being.

here's prooflonewolf604

Yeah I'm cool with it.

No, I didn't. I don't "click" on things for the sake of it. My bad, apparently...

[QUOTE="Dank_Dangler"]

[QUOTE="lonewolf604"]

i'm against it, because same sex marriage affects my well-being.

here's proofTeenaged

Same-sex marriage effects your wellbeing? Are you that insecure?

If you had you'd have noticed that he is joking.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Dank_Dangler"]

Same-sex marriage effects your wellbeing? Are you that insecure?

lonewolf604

If you had you'd have noticed that he is joking.

He.......he lied? =/

[QUOTE="lonewolf604"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Did you press the link?

If you had you'd have noticed that he is joking.

Teenaged

He.......he lied? =/

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Dank_Dangler"]

Same-sex marriage effects your wellbeing? Are you that insecure?

lonewolf604

If you had you'd have noticed that he is joking.

You are too influenced by pop media culture (ala Family Guy). You have no sympathy from me.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="lonewolf604"] i'm not joking. rick astley is gay and he scares the hell out of melonewolf604

He.......he lied? =/

As always, i'm just messin' I'm as hetero as they come. PSYCHO MOTO!!!!!

I'm homosexual so yeah.... I'd like to marry my gf one day.

No not all. It isn't surprising that so many people agree with it though. Just somewhat sad to be honest. PS2_ROCKS

I didn't used to when I was younger but then again I was being ignorant, I see now they deserve the same right to call their closest person next of kin and certain privileges are only available to couples which have tied the knot.

I don't really see why it would bother someone...

thens1563

No, I consider marriage as sacred and so I cannot allow such a thing.. They can love each other, but not as far as marrying one another..Ronstera

[QUOTE="thens1563"]

I don't really see why it would bother someone...

II_Seraphim_II

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[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="thens1563"]

I don't really see why it would bother someone...

Teenaged

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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"] Same here. Its not like you have to see the 2 guys or 2 girls (sadly :( ) in bed together. And it doesnt affect the standing of your own current or future marriage.II_Seraphim_II

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Absolutely. The fact that it's left up to a majority vote disgusts me.

Dark_Knight6

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

Absolutely. The fact that it's left up to a majority vote disgusts me.

MetalGear_Ninty

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

Absolutely. The fact that it's left up to a majority vote disgusts me.

I support it.

People don't have the right to decide important matters for other people.

No, it's not okay. I don't mind homosexuality, but marriage is holy, and holiness bans homosexuality, so there is no reason behind their actions. Btw what is more polite, homosexual or gaynintendo-4life

Its one thing not wanting gay people to enter church and another thing completely not even want the term "marriage" to be used for the union that they want to have.

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[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] That's democracy. You're either for democracy or you're against it. I do support same-sex marriage, but I support the ideals of democract even more. MetalGear_Ninty

Especially when there is no valid argument against it.

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]No, it's not okay. I don't mind homosexuality, but marriage is holy, and holiness bans homosexuality, so there is no reason behind their actions. Btw what is more polite, homosexual or gayTeenaged

Its one thing not wanting gay people to enter church and another thing completely not even want the term "marriage" to be used for the union that they want to have.

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]So should we also say the same back in the day when there were laws that one way or another limited the rights of black people?

Especially when there is no valid argument against it.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]No, it's not okay. I don't mind homosexuality, but marriage is holy, and holiness bans homosexuality, so there is no reason behind their actions. Btw what is more polite, homosexual or gaynintendo-4life

Its one thing not wanting gay people to enter church and another thing completely not even want the term "marriage" to be used for the union that they want to have.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] Well, black people during the civil rights movement were fighting for something more important than the subject of marriage; and what was happening to them was unconstitutional, so no, I wouldn't have put it up for public vote.MetalGear_Ninty

Especially when there is no valid argument against it.

As for democracy....

I am sure the majority of the people do not want to pay taxes. SHould democracy grant them their wish?

Of course you will say that there are reasons why we pay taxes and thats why taxes are imposed. But the same stands for gay marriage. There are reasons why it should be made legal and why it should be made legal despite what the majority says.

It is very simplistic and wrong to define democracy simply as "what the majority wants".

[By my example of it being as important as the fight for equal rights made by black people, I mean that what may be considered trivial by the standards of a past era is nowdays not trivial. That standards of importance do change.

As for democracy....

I am sure the majority of the people do not want to pay taxes. SHould democracy grant them their wish?

Of course you will say that there are reasons why we pay taxes and thats why taxes are imposed. But the same stands for gay marriage. There are reasons why it should be made legal and why it should be made legal despite what the majority says.

It is very simplistic and wrong to define democracy simply as "what the majority wants".

Teenaged

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[By my example of it being as important as the fight for equal rights made by black people, I mean that what may be considered trivial by the standards of a past era is nowdays not trivial. That standards of importance do change.

As for democracy....

I am sure the majority of the people do not want to pay taxes. SHould democracy grant them their wish?

Of course you will say that there are reasons why we pay taxes and thats why taxes are imposed. But the same stands for gay marriage. There are reasons why it should be made legal and why it should be made legal despite what the majority says.

It is very simplistic and wrong to define democracy simply as "what the majority wants".

LJS9502_basic

On the other hand I never made an argument from the constitution did I?

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[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]As times progress, what would be trivial compared to what was fought for back then, now becomes equally important.

Especially when there is no valid argument against it.

As for democracy....

I am sure the majority of the people do not want to pay taxes. SHould democracy grant them their wish?

Of course you will say that there are reasons why we pay taxes and thats why taxes are imposed. But the same stands for gay marriage. There are reasons why it should be made legal and why it should be made legal despite what the majority says.

It is very simplistic and wrong to define democracy simply as "what the majority wants".

No problem with that.

[Just because something is not stated specifically as a right in the constitution doesnt mean that depriving a specific group of people does not break some of their rights.

On the other hand I never made an argument from the constitution did I?

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Teenaged

If they want to, people should be able to vote on that issue, and if they get it wrong, it is their country that suffers. Truly, democracy will create governments of the people, by the people, and for the people. When such governments make mistakes, then it is the people, and noone else who are to blame. When you start cementing non-constitutional ideologies into a nation, you dilute democracy, and revert back to other forms of government.MetalGear_Ninty

There never would be a voting about taxes. Simply because a government cannot allow the citizens to get the chance to vote on something that might put the whole economy in danger. As you see democracy does have boundaries.

I think you are using a very ideal definition of democracy that is not applied in any democratic country.

What non-constitutional ideologies are these?

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[Just because something is not stated specifically as a right in the constitution doesnt mean that depriving a specific group of people does not break some of their rights.

On the other hand I never made an argument from the constitution did I?

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LJS9502_basic

So, no, I didnt just throw out the word "rights".

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[Just because something is not stated specifically as a right in the constitution doesnt mean that depriving a specific group of people does not break some of their rights.

On the other hand I never made an argument from the constitution did I?

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Teenaged

So, no, I didnt just throw out the word "rights".