Do you believe same sex marriage is okay?

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]If they want to, people should be able to vote on that issue, and if they get it wrong, it is their country that suffers. Truly, democracy will create governments of the people, by the people, and for the people. When such governments make mistakes, then it is the people, and noone else who are to blame. When you start cementing non-constitutional ideologies into a nation, you dilute democracy, and revert back to other forms of government.Teenaged

There never would be a voting about taxes. Simply because a government cannot allow the citizens to get the chance to vote on something that might put the whole economy in danger. As you see democracy does have boundaries.

I think you are using a very ideal definition of democracy that is not applied in any democratic country.

What non-constitutional ideologies are these?

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[Just because something is not stated specifically as a right in the constitution doesnt mean that depriving a specific group of people does not break some of their rights.

On the other hand I never made an argument from the constitution did I?

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LJS9502_basic

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[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]If they want to, people should be able to vote on that issue, and if they get it wrong, it is their country that suffers. Truly, democracy will create governments of the people, by the people, and for the people. When such governments make mistakes, then it is the people, and noone else who are to blame. When you start cementing non-constitutional ideologies into a nation, you dilute democracy, and revert back to other forms of government.MetalGear_Ninty

There never would be a voting about taxes. Simply because a government cannot allow the citizens to get the chance to vote on something that might put the whole economy in danger. As you see democracy does have boundaries.

I think you are using a very ideal definition of democracy that is not applied in any democratic country.

What non-constitutional ideologies are these?

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You are throwing out the word "rights". The Constitution is where they are defined here. And marriage for anyone is NOT a right. It's either a religious event or a societal event. Thus in the second case society can decide.....which is how democracy works.

LJS9502_basic

So, no, I didnt just throw out the word "rights".

In my first response to you I agreed that marriage is not a constitutional right.

I added though that depriving someone of something which is not a constitutional right might be in indirect violation to other constitutional rights he/she has.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[Just because something is not stated specifically as a right in the constitution doesnt mean that depriving a specific group of people does not break some of their rights.

On the other hand I never made an argument from the constitution did I?

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LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[Just because something is not stated specifically as a right in the constitution doesnt mean that depriving a specific group of people does not break some of their rights.

On the other hand I never made an argument from the constitution did I?

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D3nnyCrane

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[Just because something is not stated specifically as a right in the constitution doesnt mean that depriving a specific group of people does not break some of their rights.

On the other hand I never made an argument from the constitution did I?

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LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]

There never would be a voting about taxes. Simply because a government cannot allow the citizens to get the chance to vote on something that might put the whole economy in danger. As you see democracy does have boundaries.

I think you are using a very ideal definition of democracy that is not applied in any democratic country.

What non-constitutional ideologies are these?

Teenaged

[QUOTE="D3nnyCrane"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You are throwing out the word "rights". The Constitution is where they are defined here. And marriage for anyone is NOT a right. It's either a religious event or a societal event. Thus in the second case society can decide.....which is how democracy works.

LOLTRAIN

I was a page boy at a wedding when I was 4 and thought I was marrying my cousin the flower girl. **** was SO cash.

[QUOTE="LOLTRAIN"][QUOTE="D3nnyCrane"] Seems even the 21st century is not enough of a catalyst to promote open mindedness.D3nnyCrane

I was a page boy at a wedding when I was 4 and thought I was marrying my cousin the flower girl. **** was SO cash.

[QUOTE="D3nnyCrane"]

[QUOTE="LOLTRAIN"] Didn't I just say people can get married to goats too? D:LOLTRAIN

I was a page boy at a wedding when I was 4 and thought I was marrying my cousin the flower girl. **** was SO cash.

There should be no problem with it, with anybody.

No. It's not "okay" at all. But it happens -- and we have free will to do whatever we want.Lansdowne5

No. It's not "okay" at all. But it happens -- and we have free will to do whatever we want.Lansdowne5

No. It's not "okay" at all. But it happens -- and we have free will to do whatever we want.Lansdowne5

For instance GS users are not to abuse the reporting system. Some people do though. I guess that means we have free will. But you will agree with me that having free will doesnt mean that there are no consequences.. ;-)

No. It's not "okay" at all. But it happens -- and we have free will to do whatever we want.Lansdowne5

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]No. It's not "okay" at all. But it happens -- and we have free will to do whatever we want.D3nnyCrane

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]No. It's not "okay" at all. But it happens -- and we have free will to do whatever we want.D3nnyCrane

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]No. It's not "okay" at all. But it happens -- and we have free will to do whatever we want.D3nnyCrane

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]No. It's not "okay" at all. But it happens -- and we have free will to do whatever we want.LOLTRAIN

[QUOTE="D3nnyCrane"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]No. It's not "okay" at all. But it happens -- and we have free will to do whatever we want.Lansdowne5

[QUOTE="LOLTRAIN"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]No. It's not "okay" at all. But it happens -- and we have free will to do whatever we want.Lansdowne5

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]No. It's not "okay" at all. But it happens -- and we have free will to do whatever we want.Teenaged

For instance GS users are not to abuse the reporting system. Some people do though. I guess that means we have free will. But you will agree with me that having free will doesnt mean that there are no consequences.. ;-)

[QUOTE="D3nnyCrane"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]No. It's not "okay" at all. But it happens -- and we have free will to do whatever we want.Lansdowne5

If they wanna get married, live happily for a few years, divorce and lose half there worldly pocession.. I say let them.

[spoiler] And lol to the guy in the first page (30 posts a page0 who compared it to the likes of Pedophillia, incest and human-animal relations. Stupidity is a funny thing. :lol: [/spoiler]

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[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]No. It's not "okay" at all. But it happens -- and we have free will to do whatever we want.Lansdowne5

For instance GS users are not to abuse the reporting system. Some people do though. I guess that means we have free will. But you will agree with me that having free will doesnt mean that there are no consequences.. ;-)

If they wanna get married, live happily for a few years, divorce and lose half there worldly pocession.. I say let them.

RiseAgainst12

[QUOTE="D3nnyCrane"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"] You just listed two perfectly valid reasons. Those which you consider "BS".Lansdowne5

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"]

If they wanna get married, live happily for a few years, divorce and lose half there worldly pocession.. I say let them.

Teenaged

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Yeah this happens with any kind of rules. We are free to break them.

For instance GS users are not to abuse the reporting system. Some people do though. I guess that means we have free will. But you will agree with me that having free will doesnt mean that there are no consequences.. ;-)

Teenaged

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[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"] Please don't make this personal..... When debating, it's better to remain detatched. Lansdowne5

Whats wrong with my example? =/

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]What? I am talking about free will.... =/

Teenaged

Whats wrong with my example? =/

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[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"]

If they wanna get married, live happily for a few years, divorce and lose half there worldly pocession.. I say let them.

RiseAgainst12

Oh well I dont disagree with your opinion but I am just saying. :P You know the mods. :P

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="D3nnyCrane"] No, I listed 2 BS reasons, last accepted around 1974. So try again.Teenaged

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[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"] You listed two "BS" reasons which you consider invalid but which are in reality still perfectly acceptable reasons to regard same-sex marriage as "not okay". The very nature of same-sex marriage contradicts what marriage is.Lansdowne5

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Hm, if I were you I would rephrase my spoiler text a bit. I am afraid that mods will not like it... =/

Teenaged

Oh well I dont disagree with your opinion but I am just saying. :P You know the mods. :P

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[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"] You listed two "BS" reasons which you consider invalid but which are in reality still perfectly acceptable reasons to regard same-sex marriage as "not okay". The very nature of same-sex marriage contradicts what marriage is.Lansdowne5

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]What? I am talking about free will.... =/

Teenaged

Whats wrong with my example? =/

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]What is marriage?

LOLTRAIN

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"] You listed two "BS" reasons which you consider invalid but which are in reality still perfectly acceptable reasons to regard same-sex marriage as "not okay". The very nature of same-sex marriage contradicts what marriage is.Lansdowne5

I am talking about the notion of marriage in its more abstract sense.

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[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"] And emphasizing your point by using an example which you know will annoy...... Lansdowne5

Whats wrong with my example? =/

Why is it personal? Do you have some idea you would like to share with me? I would like to know...