Do you believe same sex marriage is okay?

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]What is marriage?

Teenaged

I am talking about the notion of marriage in its more abstract sense.

[QUOTE="LOLTRAIN"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"] Marriage is a sacramental convenant between two members of the opposite sex which has been established by God. It's a lifelong commitment which in its very essence mirrors the relationship between Christ and his Church (the bride). The man should love his wife as Christ self-sacrifically loved the Church. Basically, it's the joining together of male and female into one body. To quote Jesus - "the two will become one flesh". Lansdowne5

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]

[QUOTE="LOLTRAIN"] That's the mystery of marriage. There are other kind of marriages too.LOLTRAIN

[QUOTE="LOLTRAIN"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"] You did not define what type of marriage you were referring to in the OP......

Lansdowne5

We await for your answer.

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Annoy whom? :?

Whats wrong with my example? =/

Teenaged

Why is it personal? Do you have some idea you would like to share with me? I would like to know...

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]

There never would be a voting about taxes. Simply because a government cannot allow the citizens to get the chance to vote on something that might put the whole economy in danger. As you see democracy does have boundaries.

I think you are using a very ideal definition of democracy that is not applied in any democratic country.

What non-constitutional ideologies are these?

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="D3nnyCrane"] What is that? The entering of a committed relationship between two loving individuals? Lay this out there - you are saying that homosexuals are less capable and deserving of a relationship than heterosexuals. Put it out there or I can't take you seriously.LOLTRAIN

Sniff sniff

I think love is love. Doesn't matter if its between a man and man or woman and woman. I've been around a lot of gay people (best friend is, friends mom, a lot of kids back in high school) so I personally don't have a problem with their choice. It's not like they wanted to be born that way but thats the way it is and they should be able to get the chance to live happily. Everyone gets one life and they (hetero/homosexuals) should live as happy as they can.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] I was somewhat mistaken there, as I think taxes is a constitutional aspects of most countries. My bad. But that does not change the point of what I was saying. And the concept that same-sex couples should be able to marry, is a non-constitutional ideology.MetalGear_Ninty

And if it isnt why does it matter if it is absent from it that much in order to bring up the argument of what is and what isnt in the constitution?

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"] It's personal. As I said. O_oLansdowne5

Why is it personal? Do you have some idea you would like to share with me? I would like to know...

What came to your mind? :o

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="D3nnyCrane"] So in other words they don't deserve to show permanent commitment to each other via marriage. How is it an accusation when it is merely exposing what you're putting between lines in plain English?D3nnyCrane

My thoughts exactly.... you should always have basis for why you think something should be a certain way. Not (like you said) "thats just the way it is.... because somebody else said so..."

Is that a scarecrow I see in the distance..... Hmm. Anyway..... I'm not suggesting that homosexuals are "inferior" to anyone else. All I'm saying (and don't read into this what isn't there) is that God introduced MARRIAGE as the joining together of two people of the opposite sex into one body. Anything other than that, is not marriage.Lansdowne5

Do you support non-thiests getting married? Because in essence what you are saying is that only people who believe in an Abrahamic god should get married. And where is this proof that "God introduced marriage"? Also, should Buddhists not be allowed to marry? And in the US there is a seperation of Church and State, so are you arguing that the diverse US population should live under the laws dictated by a single religion? So basically you want Shariah La - Christian Version?

I think it's awesome! Why should it matter who you marry. Geez.

[QUOTE="D3nnyCrane"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"] Whether a person is "deserving" or not is irrelevant. Also, I have put nothing between the lines......Lansdowne5

Correct me if I'm wrong (probably am knowing myself:? ) but most people that think that gays should be allowed to be married are 1, if not both, of 2 things.... gay or Athiest. My best friend (who is gay is both of those. But thats as much as I'm saying instead of starting a religion flame war.

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Something being absent from the constitution doesnt necessarily mean its against the constitution.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] There is a difference between non-constitutional and inconstitutional -- I'm talking about nonconstitutional.MetalGear_Ninty

Being absent from the contitution doesnt mean its against the contitution, like I said before.

Why is it then important that it is absent from the contitution?

Also, constitutions DO get revised.

[QUOTE="D3nnyCrane"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"] Is that a scarecrow I see in the distance..... Hmm. Anyway..... I'm not suggesting that homosexuals are "inferior" to anyone else. All I'm saying (and don't read into this what isn't there) is that God introduced MARRIAGE as the joining together of two people of the opposite sex into one body. Anything other than that, is not marriage.Lansdowne5

I think you need to go look up the term "red herring".

Also I dont know what you see from a great distance but distance can deceive....

[QUOTE="LOLTRAIN"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"] Is that a scarecrow I see in the distance..... Hmm. Anyway..... I'm not suggesting that homosexuals are "inferior" to anyone else. All I'm saying (and don't read into this what isn't there) is that God introduced MARRIAGE as the joining together of two people of the opposite sex into one body. Anything other than that, is not marriage.Lansdowne5

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="LOLTRAIN"] There was marriage in ancient Egypt.Teenaged

If they wanna get married, live happily for a few years, divorce and lose half there worldly pocession.. I say let them.

And lol to the guy in the first page (30 posts a page0 who compared it to the likes of Pedophillia, incest and human-animal relations. Stupidity is a funny thing. :lol

RiseAgainst12

Thanks man. Thanks for that. Because apparently being accepted into Harvard indicates my ignorance and stupidity. Now, I don't really care where anyone goes for college, or what anyone argues for, so long as reasons are used to back up claims. WHy is the arguement that Homosexuality is "unnatural" wrong? Answer the question. Don't call be stupid and walk away. You do yourself a disservice. If your beliefs can be substantiated with more reasons than a simple "we see it in nature all the time!" logic, then I might be inclined to listen. Lets be intelligent. Have I called anyone stupid so far? Why would you say that of me? Holding one view does not make you a fool. It makes you opinionated and substantiated. And in a democratic republic, thats the best you can be.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"] What's your point?Lansdowne5

Did marriage originate from Judaism? Do you have proof that shows that marriage started exclusively from Judaism?

[QUOTE="D3nnyCrane"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"] Is that a red herring I see in the distance..... Hmm.Lansdowne5

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"] What's your point?Lansdowne5

Thanks man. Thanks for that. Because apparently being accepted into Harvard indicates my ignorance and stupidity. Now, I don't really care where anyone goes for college, or what anyone argues for, so long as reasons are used to back up claims. WHy is the arguement that Homosexuality is "unnatural" wrong? Answer the question. Don't call be stupid and walk away. You do yourself a disservice. If your beliefs can be substantiated with more reasons than a simple "we see it in nature all the time!" logic, then I might be inclined to listen. Lets be intelligent. Have I called anyone stupid so far? Why would you say that of me? Holding one view does not make you a fool. It makes you opinionated and substantiated. And in a democratic republic, thats the best you can be.

peter1191

We must know what you define "natural" as before anyone can deploy a counterargument. Explain the terms you use please.

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]

There never would be a voting about taxes. Simply because a government cannot allow the citizens to get the chance to vote on something that might put the whole economy in danger. As you see democracy does have boundaries.

I think you are using a very ideal definition of democracy that is not applied in any democratic country.

What non-constitutional ideologies are these?

Teenaged

They are right actually. Any right not specified to the federal government belongs to the states and the people. Simple as that. I don't think you can argue that marriage is not a right.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] I was somewhat mistaken there, as I think taxes is a constitutional aspects of most countries. My bad. But that does not change the point of what I was saying. And the concept that same-sex couples should be able to marry, is a non-constitutional ideology.peter1191

They are right actually. Any right not specified to the federal government belongs to the states and the people. Simple as that. I don't think you can argue that marriage is not a right.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] I was somewhat mistaken there, as I think taxes is a constitutional aspects of most countries. My bad. But that does not change the point of what I was saying. And the concept that same-sex couples should be able to marry, is a non-constitutional ideology.peter1191

They are right actually. Any right not specified to the federal government belongs to the states and the people. Simple as that. I don't think you can argue that marriage is not a right.

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="D3nnyCrane"] How to lose debates: Ask rhetorical questions with zero bearing to the debate at hand. Ah well, thanks for playing, I'll be over here successfully advocating the rights of my gay friends.Teenaged