Do you belive 9/11 was a inside job?

Research is fine, but I have seen conspiracy theorists who basically admitted point blank that nothing could ever convince them out of their beliefs. That's not healthy skepticism; in fact, that's its exact opposite.

GabuEx

It's also important where your research is coming from. Anyone can make crazy claims and set them in a Youtube video with spooky music.

[QUOTE="67gt500"][QUOTE="raven_squad"]Ahhh....gotta love Youtube and the crazy thoughts it instills in people. GabuEx

Research is fine, but I have seen conspiracy theorists who basically admitted point blank that nothing could ever convince them out of their beliefs. That's not healthy skepticism; in fact, that's its exact opposite.

Of course not. You think the U.S. government functions well enough to cover up something that effectively? I think not.

It's true that there are always people who just stick to one extreme or the other, without keeping an open mind (which is not rational if you ask me)... I have always found that the truth in most things can't be found at opposing poles - it tends to reliably fall somewhere between the two...67gt500

I agree with the former, but on the latter I'd have to side with an old post of Theo's:

It's called the gray fallacy. One person says white, another says black, and outside observers assume gray is the truth. The assumption of gray is sloppy, lazy thinking. The fact that one person takes a position that is diametrically opposed to the truth does not then skew reality so the truth is no longer the truth. The truth is still the truth.Theokoth

Anyways, a couple years ago my HS social teacher showed Loose Change to my class, and right off the bat I found it highly suspicious. When I looked it up afterwards and saw the blatant cropping and misinformation in it, I was very unhappy at him presenting this knowing that a lot of the class would believe it just because a teacher showed it to them.
I had the same teacher the next year and when he showed the video again I got progressively annoyed until I couldn't keep quit anymore, and I started pointing out the flaws.

Ugh, this was one of the worst aspects of schooling for me. At least half the cIass would believe anything the teacher told them. From grade 8 with the "moon landing hoax" video we were shown in math cIass, to the Loose Change video in grade 11. These kids would just believe anything.

/rant; tldr - I DO NOT believe 911 was an "inside job".

You can never be 100% certain about anything Commander-Gree

No. To many YouTube videos get people all believing in crap. The last place you want to research stuff about 9/11 or any other major event that had significant political impact on any major country today is YouTube.

It's possible but no. What I believe is that -We knew it was coming -The terrorists put explosives at the foundation of the building and blew up thats why the towers fell vertically(steel softening(damn so technical....:roll:.) thing is i think b.s. and arguable O_o)

The ONLY thing that bugs me is the way in which the towers fell. It looked exactly like a building being professionally demolished. Of course, it could have just fallen this way...

akuma_od3

Honestly I see very little similarity between the collapse of the towers and a professional demolition. Demolitions generally look like the building has "liquefied". With the towers you could clearly see those upper stories plowing through to the ground.

-The terrorists put explosives at the foundation of the building and blew up thats why the towers fell vertically(steel melting thing is i think b.s. and arguable O_o)

MrLions

Steel doesn't act like water, where it is basically either in a solid or liquid state. Rather it gradually softens as heated. Thus it would not have actually had to "melt".

Of course it was... not.

No. It wasn't plotted by the US Government.

The US Government doesn't exist, it's a front created by the Illuminati to convince you that reptillians don't control the entire planet :|

Saying 9/11 was an inside job is probably only believable as a 24 plot line.

I went with maybe.

It would make sense why they would try something like that, but I'm not sure.

Are they still sticking with the story that they found the passports of the pilots in the debris of the towers? Cause if they are, I'm still on the fence.PS2_ROCKS

The only passport even claimed to have been on one of the planes that flew into the towers was said to have fallen to the street and collected prior to the collapse. Two more were recovered from flight flight 93, which is the one that went down in the Pennsylvania field. The final passport was found in a piece of luggage that wasn't on board any of the planes.

[QUOTE="PS2_ROCKS"]Are they still sticking with the story that they found the passports of the pilots in the debris of the towers? Cause if they are, I'm still on the fence.ThePlothole

The only passport even claimed to have been on one of the planes that flew into the towers was said to have fallen to the street and collected prior to the collapse. Two more were recovered from flight flight 93, which is the one that went down in the Pennsylvania field. The final passport was found in a piece of luggage that wasn't on board any of the planes.

Anything is possible. Some things are probable. Our government works in mysterious ways. Theres a lot of secrets in Area 51.....

Oh cool, everyone hates me in this thread and I haven't even posted yet! I do believe that 9/11 was an inside job. I don't really feel like explaining much more, as I don't want this entire board attacking me. I will say that I think of myself as a very logical person, and after seeing all proof from both sides, I found the conspiracy side to be more believable.

Anything is possible. Some things are probable. Our government works in mysterious ways. Theres a lot of secrets in Area 51.....

TheShadowLord07

[QUOTE="67gt500"][QUOTE="raven_squad"]Ahhh....gotta love Youtube and the crazy thoughts it instills in people. GabuEx

Research is fine, but I have seen conspiracy theorists who basically admitted point blank that nothing could ever convince them out of their beliefs. That's not healthy skepticism; in fact, that's its exact opposite.

No, because that would imply the goverment can actually do something. It would also imply that people can keep a secret and everyone knows that as soon as someone in the government learns a secret, they run to the washinton post and or new york times and spill it.

any one see loose change about them removing the bomb sniffing dogs the day prior to 9/11

No. For just about the same reason I don't believe every other conspiracy theory (aside from how they can only ever be substantiated by fabricated/misinterpreted "evidence" and the testimonies of crazy people): no one can keep a secret that big.

Definitely not.

I do believe that you have skewed your Poll, by making three out of the four choices positive indications of a government involvement.

any one see loose change about them removing the bomb sniffing dogs the day prior to 9/11

Snakewiseman

Except that the dogs were never completely removed. At one point there were more than usual, after the buildings received threats over the phone, but the number was reduced again as the security level returned to normal.

EDIT: Ugh, I just cannot type today.

Those dastardly Kenyans plotted to blow up the WTC in collusion with George W.'s cronies to give him a pretext for invading Iraq. In exchange, Bush agreed to sabotage the Republicans' 2008 campaign so the Kenyans could run their puppet for the Democrats (who they knew would be too spineless to check the guy's background information) with little opposition. While Bush is sitting on his massive Iraq war profits, the Kenyans are busy tearing the country apart; it's the perfect scheme!D_Battery

its possible but then again I expected them to plant wmds' in iraq, but they didn't

I dont think it was an inside job, and many of the theories are flat-out ridiculous. But seriously guys, there's nothing wrong with a little healthy skepticism, and there are definately a few questions which can be asked of the Bush administration's official version of events. Ninja-Bear

Sure, but there is a clear difference between skepticism and completely misrepresenting the facts.

Yes I do, and I don't feel like debating this again:?

[QUOTE="Ninja-Bear"]I dont think it was an inside job, and many of the theories are flat-out ridiculous. But seriously guys, there's nothing wrong with a little healthy skepticism, and there are definately a few questions which can be asked of the Bush administration's official version of events. ThePlothole

Sure, but there is a clear difference between skepticism and completely misrepresenting the facts.

I think the government knew something about it before hand.

Yes....all orchestrated by the mole people.....Omni-Slash

Wouldn't that be an "underground job" then?

Yes....all orchestrated by the mole people.....Omni-Slash

you mean these guys? .....

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"]Yes....all orchestrated by the mole people.....ThePlothole

Wouldn't that be an "underground job" then?

Hmm...nope, but I would not be surprised if they knew beforehand and let it happen.