Do You Consider Yourself To Be A Good Person? Poll.

Sorry but that is Ann Couler's line. I may have used it before but "multiple times", prove it! You can't! You are putting forth a false premise.

blackregiment

Definition of multiple:

"Having, relating to, or consisting of more than one individual, element, part, or other component"

that's one

and two

You probably just thought that multiple meant numerous or many.

[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"][QUOTE="blackregiment"]

Sorry but I never said I have not used the term. I challenged the "multiple times" statement.

blackregiment

Why must you apologize? I'm fully aware of what you've said thus far pertaining to the phrase. I hope I didn't make you feel guilty of anything.

Not at all. Twice is not "multiple" times in the context it was used. Nice try.

Multiple = more than one.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

Not at all. Twice is not "multiple" times in the context it was used. Nice try.

Genetic_Code

I just posted a link without making any allegations. If you're carrying a guilty conscious because of what I posted and feel like I'm attacking you then, well... I don't know what to say to that.

Did I say that you were "attacking" me, NO. You don't need to make things up. Don't worry, it doesn't bother me too much what you think about me. I care about what you believe about Christ. That is what is important.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"][QUOTE="-Jiggles-"][QUOTE="blackregiment"][QUOTE="-Jiggles-"]

"What is it that makes you certain" is a statement which you used to not only put words in his mouth but also put him into a corner, which was not necessary. If you want to use a better statement in the future that won't get you attacked again, you should use "What is it that makes you believe that God does not exist?", which is a far more appropriate question for the situation at hand.

You may have meant that all along, but you already posted the original question and the damage has been done. I myself would like to see what Thagypsy has to say in return, if anything at all.

KOTORkicker

Sorry friend but I don't structure my questions to meet your pleasure. You might want to play your word games elsewhere.

Sorry if using proper English skills in a debate is considered "word games" to you, but you'd be surprised how much confusion can be created by using one word instead of another.

If you want to focus on the importance of words, then let's focus on some important ones. You might want to focus on these, faith, Christ, and eternity. The book of Revelation will give you a good idea of their importance.

.. And this is where the ridicule begins. That's like saying to someone "That's not real music, go listen to such-and-such a band and that's real music".

That's all you people do; Take other people's opinions, make them seem null and void, and then replace them with your own narrow-minded views.

There exists a world outside of Christianity: It's a nice one. Try it.

No ridicule, just a point made about some very important words since the importance of words was mentioned, that's all.

Here's something interesting from Matthew 19:17

"And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."

If you look at it from a Biblical perspective then it's pretty clear that no one here is a good person.

Here's something interesting from Matthew 19:17

"And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."

If you look at it from a Biblical perspective then it's pretty clear that no one here is a good person.

Godly_Warrior

It's semantics I know but what about genesis 1

"And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness."

Did I say that you were "attacking" me, NO.

blackregiment

Correct.

You don't need to make things up.

blackregiment

I inferred a sense of guilt from your message, especially from your sarcastic "Nice try" response. I didn't "make things up". I can't read minds though, so if I misrepresented you, then I apologize.

Don't worry, it doesn't bother me too much what you think about me. I care about what you believe about Christ. That is what is important.

blackregiment

Good.

I do some (a lot?) of "bad" things but I think Im a pretty good person. Ha ha. That sounds really contradictory. Yes to all your questions.

[QUOTE="KOTORkicker"][QUOTE="blackregiment"][QUOTE="-Jiggles-"][QUOTE="blackregiment"][QUOTE="-Jiggles-"]

"What is it that makes you certain" is a statement which you used to not only put words in his mouth but also put him into a corner, which was not necessary. If you want to use a better statement in the future that won't get you attacked again, you should use "What is it that makes you believe that God does not exist?", which is a far more appropriate question for the situation at hand.

You may have meant that all along, but you already posted the original question and the damage has been done. I myself would like to see what Thagypsy has to say in return, if anything at all.

blackregiment

Sorry friend but I don't structure my questions to meet your pleasure. You might want to play your word games elsewhere.

Sorry if using proper English skills in a debate is considered "word games" to you, but you'd be surprised how much confusion can be created by using one word instead of another.

If you want to focus on the importance of words, then let's focus on some important ones. You might want to focus on these, faith, Christ, and eternity. The book of Revelation will give you a good idea of their importance.

.. And this is where the ridicule begins. That's like saying to someone "That's not real music, go listen to such-and-such a band and that's real music".

That's all you people do; Take other people's opinions, make them seem null and void, and then replace them with your own narrow-minded views.

There exists a world outside of Christianity: It's a nice one. Try it.

No ridicule, just a point made about some very important words since the importance of words was mentioned, that's all.

I do love the way you choose to ignore the bulk of someone's post, and the point they are making, and choose to answer only the semantics that provide any interest (Or relief, for lack of a better word) to you.

Please read my post again and answer my other questions.

[QUOTE="Godly_Warrior"]

Here's something interesting from Matthew 19:17

"And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."

If you look at it from a Biblical perspective then it's pretty clear that no one here is a good person.

domatron23

It's semantics I know but what about genesis 1

"And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness."

When God created man in His image, he was good. When man used his free will to disobey God, man fell and inherited a sin nature.

I do love the way you choose to ignore the bulk of someone's post, and the point they are making, and choose to answer only the semantics that provide any interest (Or relief, for lack of a better word) to you.

Please read my post again and answer my other questions.

KOTORkicker

You mean the way unbelievers ignore God's Word? By the way, you did not ask a single question in your post, you simply expressed an opinion. I responded to what I chose and will continue to do so.

PS, usually when someone expects a response, they ask a question.They do not expect others to reformat their opinions into question form. This is not the TV game Jeopardy.

Do I treat others well? Yes. Do I plan to continue this trend? Yes. Would I be a good person if the world was lawless and anything went and it was live by the skin of your teeth? Hell naw. I would do what I need to. Deep down every human would. Deep down I think every human is "evil" and we need to surpress that. Weird.Ace6301

We have a super villian in the making :P

[QUOTE="domatron23"][QUOTE="Godly_Warrior"]

Here's something interesting from Matthew 19:17

"And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."

If you look at it from a Biblical perspective then it's pretty clear that no one here is a good person.

blackregiment

It's semantics I know but what about genesis 1

"And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness."

When God created man in His image, he was good. When man used his free will to disobey God, man fell and inherited a sin nature.

Yeah I figured that wasn't much of a contradiction.

Anyways so the prelapsarian state of the world was good? I'm wondering what Adam and Eve ate and how they did it without killing anything.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"][QUOTE="domatron23"][QUOTE="Godly_Warrior"]

Here's something interesting from Matthew 19:17

"And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."

If you look at it from a Biblical perspective then it's pretty clear that no one here is a good person.

domatron23

It's semantics I know but what about genesis 1

"And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness."

When God created man in His image, he was good. When man used his free will to disobey God, man fell and inherited a sin nature.

Yeah I figured that wasn't much of a contradiction.

Anyways so the prelapsarian state of the world was good? I'm wondering what Adam and Eve ate and how they did it without killing anything.

Here is what they ate. The ate of the fruit of the tree that God commanded them not to eat of.

Here is the point that I think many miss. I hope this helps clarify things. God by His nature is good, holy, just, and righteous. He cannot allow sin into His presence for He would not be holy. If He did not punish sin, He would not be just or righteous. We are all sinners and deserving of destruction. No one is good. We are all born with a sin nature.

We are all on a super highway heading for judgment and destruction. We are all on that highway and cannot change that whether we like it or not. God created us and He is in control.God owes us nothing more than what He has given us already. He does not owe us our next breath or heartbeat. God loves us however so He created an exit ramp from this highway to judgment and destruction in Christ who lived a perfect, sinless life, and suffered and died in payment for the sins of those that put their faith and trust in Him. He paid the price for us, the price we deserve to pay. He is the exit ramp of that super highway that we are all on.

God gave us a free will. We can use that free will to stay on the highway to destruction and judgment or choose the exit ramp to eternal life in Christ. The choice is ours God will not force us onto the exit ramp. He allows us to choose. He will be faithful in giving us the eternity we choose.

It matters not if one thinks God is a dictator. He is the Creator and it is His prerogative to do as He wishes with His creation. Thankfully, God is love and He showed His love for us in that while we were yet sinners, He manifested Himself in Christ, suffered, and died so that we could be saved. There is no greater love than this. God's the price of God's wrath against sin could only be paid by Christ. We are unable to save ourselves. Salvation is available only through Christ. We do not make the rules nor can we change them.

We can complain about it, reject it, or choose to disbelieve but we cannot avoid the consequences of our choice. God will be faithful in respecting our free will choice.

We should all be thankful that God gave us a choice, an exit ramp from that super highway that we are all on until we take the exit ramp in Christ.

One final thing. There are those that ask why Christians share their faith rather than keep it to themselves. There are those on these very threads that complain about Christians sharing their faith,.We share our faith because our Lord and Savior has commanded us to be road signs on the super highway of life, pointing to the exit ramp in Christ.We cannot force anyone onto that exit ramp as some falsely accuse, all we can do is point to the exit ramp. While there are some that choose to ignore the road signs, there are others that do not. God is pleased when even a single soul chooses the exit ramp andHis name is glorified by our presence on that super highway in obedience to His command to spread the Good News of salvation in Christ.

[QUOTE="domatron23"][QUOTE="blackregiment"][QUOTE="domatron23"][QUOTE="Godly_Warrior"]

Here's something interesting from Matthew 19:17

"And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."

If you look at it from a Biblical perspective then it's pretty clear that no one here is a good person.

blackregiment

It's semantics I know but what about genesis 1

"And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness."

When God created man in His image, he was good. When man used his free will to disobey God, man fell and inherited a sin nature.

Yeah I figured that wasn't much of a contradiction.

Anyways so the prelapsarian state of the world was good? I'm wondering what Adam and Eve ate and how they did it without killing anything.

Here is what they ate. The ate of the fruit of the tree that God commanded them not to eat of.

Gen 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

Were they frutarian?

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="domatron23"][QUOTE="blackregiment"][QUOTE="domatron23"][QUOTE="Godly_Warrior"]

Here's something interesting from Matthew 19:17

"And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."

If you look at it from a Biblical perspective then it's pretty clear that no one here is a good person.

domatron23

It's semantics I know but what about genesis 1

"And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness."

When God created man in His image, he was good. When man used his free will to disobey God, man fell and inherited a sin nature.

Yeah I figured that wasn't much of a contradiction.

Anyways so the prelapsarian state of the world was good? I'm wondering what Adam and Eve ate and how they did it without killing anything.

Here is what they ate. The ate of the fruit of the tree that God commanded them not to eat of.

Gen 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

Were they frutarian?

The Bible is not a specific regarding the vegetation and trees that comprised Adam and Eve's diet, but it did not originally include meat.

Here is the point that I think many miss. I hope this helps clarify things. God by His nature is good, holy, just, and righteous. He cannot allow sin into His presence for He would not be holy. If He did not punish sin, He would not be just or righteous. We are all sinners and deserving of destruction. No one is good. We are all born with a sin nature.

We are all on a super highway heading for judgment and destruction. We are all on that highway and cannot change that whether we like it or not. God created us and He is in control.God owes us nothing more than what He has given us already. He does not owe us our next breath or heartbeat. God loves us however so He created an exit ramp from this highway to judgment and destruction in Christ who lived a perfect, sinless life, and suffered and died in payment for the sins of those that put their faith and trust in Him. He paid the price for us, the price we deserve to pay. He is the exit ramp of that super highway that we are all on.

God gave us a free will. We can use that free will to stay on the highway to destruction and judgment or choose the exit ramp to eternal life in Christ. The choice is ours God will not force us onto the exit ramp. He allows us to choose. He will be faithful in giving us the eternity we choose.

It matters not if one thinks God is a dictator. He is the Creator and it is His prerogative to do as He wishes with His creation. Thankfully, God is love and He showed His love for us in that while we were yet sinners, He manifested Himself in Christ, suffered, and died so that we could be saved. There is no greater love than this. God's the price of God's wrath against sin could only be paid by Christ. We are unable to save ourselves. Salvation is available only through Christ. We do not make the rules nor can we change them.

We can complain about it, reject it, or choose to disbelieve but we cannot avoid the consequences of our choice. God will be faithful in respecting our free will choice.

We should all be thankful that God gave us a choice, an exit ramp from that super highway that we are all on until we take the exit ramp in Christ.

One final thing. There are those that ask why Christians share their faith rather than keep it to themselves. There are those on these very threads that complain about Christians sharing their faith,.We share our faith because our Lord and Savior has commanded us to be road signs on the super highway of life, pointing to the exit ramp in Christ.We cannot force anyone onto that exit ramp as some falsely accuse, all we can do is point to the exit ramp. While there are some that choose to ignore the road signs, there are others that do not. God is pleased when even a single soul chooses the exit ramp andHis name is glorified by our presence on that super highway in obedience to His command to spread the Good News of salvation in Christ.

blackregiment

God's ontological essence is Love; none supersedes that. The entire idea of this need for "justice" as you call it, is frankly, absurd. God is God; He can do what he wishes, and if his true essence is love, the need for this equilibrium of bad and good is futile.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

Here is the point that I think many miss. I hope this helps clarify things. God by His nature is good, holy, just, and righteous. He cannot allow sin into His presence for He would not be holy. If He did not punish sin, He would not be just or righteous. We are all sinners and deserving of destruction. No one is good. We are all born with a sin nature.

We are all on a super highway heading for judgment and destruction. We are all on that highway and cannot change that whether we like it or not. God created us and He is in control.God owes us nothing more than what He has given us already. He does not owe us our next breath or heartbeat. God loves us however so He created an exit ramp from this highway to judgment and destruction in Christ who lived a perfect, sinless life, and suffered and died in payment for the sins of those that put their faith and trust in Him. He paid the price for us, the price we deserve to pay. He is the exit ramp of that super highway that we are all on.

God gave us a free will. We can use that free will to stay on the highway to destruction and judgment or choose the exit ramp to eternal life in Christ. The choice is ours God will not force us onto the exit ramp. He allows us to choose. He will be faithful in giving us the eternity we choose.

It matters not if one thinks God is a dictator. He is the Creator and it is His prerogative to do as He wishes with His creation. Thankfully, God is love and He showed His love for us in that while we were yet sinners, He manifested Himself in Christ, suffered, and died so that we could be saved. There is no greater love than this. God's the price of God's wrath against sin could only be paid by Christ. We are unable to save ourselves. Salvation is available only through Christ. We do not make the rules nor can we change them.

We can complain about it, reject it, or choose to disbelieve but we cannot avoid the consequences of our choice. God will be faithful in respecting our free will choice.

We should all be thankful that God gave us a choice, an exit ramp from that super highway that we are all on until we take the exit ramp in Christ.

One final thing. There are those that ask why Christians share their faith rather than keep it to themselves. There are those on these very threads that complain about Christians sharing their faith,.We share our faith because our Lord and Savior has commanded us to be road signs on the super highway of life, pointing to the exit ramp in Christ.We cannot force anyone onto that exit ramp as some falsely accuse, all we can do is point to the exit ramp. While there are some that choose to ignore the road signs, there are others that do not. God is pleased when even a single soul chooses the exit ramp andHis name is glorified by our presence on that super highway in obedience to His command to spread the Good News of salvation in Christ.

STWELCH

God's ontological essence is Love; none supersedes that. The entire idea of this need for "justice" as you call it, is frankly, absurd. God is God; He can do what he wishes, and if his true essence is love, the need for this equilibrium of bad and good is futile.

Sorry but I don't dabble in esoteric interpretation. I get my truth from the whole counsel of God's revealed Word, not just the parts that we feel comfortable with. God is love but He is also holy, righteous and just. He hates sin and the penalty for sin is eternal death. Christ paid the price for the sins of those that put their faith in Him. I don't know where you are coming up with this concept of "equilibrium of bad and good" of which you speak. I made no mention of this in my post. Your comments seem to indicate that you do not believe that God's justice requires that the price of sin must be paid. Are you suggesting that Christ's death in payment for our sins was unnecessary? That God can just ignore sin? This is contrary to what the Bible reveals. In Christ, God demonstrated His love for us in that He died to pay the price for our sins. He died to pay the price that God's justice demands. Christ's death was a propitiation for our sins. " The word propitiation carries the basic idea of appeasement, or satisfaction, specifically towards God. Propitiation is a two-part act that involves appeasing the wrath of an offended person and being reconciled to him."

The bottom line is that when we sin, we sin against God. Sin has a price that must be paid. God loved us enough to pay that price for us, the price we deserve to pay, in Christ.

All I can say is that if you think that what God has revealed in His Word is "absurd", then I suggest you take it up with Him.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

Did I say that you were "attacking" me, NO.

Genetic_Code

Correct.

You don't need to make things up.

blackregiment

I inferred a sense of guilt from your message, especially from your sarcastic "Nice try" response. I didn't "make things up". I can't read minds though, so if I misrepresented you, then I apologize.

Don't worry, it doesn't bother me too much what you think about me. I care about what you believe about Christ. That is what is important.

blackregiment

Good.

OK. In closing I will say that perhaps the most amazing thing is that you and others would put forth the effort to do the research to show that I used the term twice in a year, and that in your opinion that equates to "multiple times". You are entitled to your opinion, twice in a year may equate to "multiple times" but from my perspective, and in the context it was used, "multiple times" means numerous. You are entitled to your opinion and so am I.

Even more amazing is that certain posters somehow consider the number of times I used a phrase as important enough in the grand scheme of things to "research" the matter as if it really matters, while at the same time refusing to do the research on the mountain of evidence for the existence of God and the truth of His Word, something that really matters, and will have eternal consequences for each of us.

I guess we all just have different priorities. That's the beauty of free will. We all get to choose where we put our faith and the Lord will respect our choice in eternity.

Here is the point that I think many miss. I hope this helps clarify things. God by His nature is good, holy, just, and righteous. He cannot allow sin into His presence for He would not be holy. If He did not punish sin, He would not be just or righteous. We are all sinners and deserving of destruction. No one is good. We are all born with a sin nature.

We are all on a super highway heading for judgment and destruction. We are all on that highway and cannot change that whether we like it or not. God created us and He is in control.God owes us nothing more than what He has given us already. He does not owe us our next breath or heartbeat. God loves us however so He created an exit ramp from this highway to judgment and destruction in Christ who lived a perfect, sinless life, and suffered and died in payment for the sins of those that put their faith and trust in Him. He paid the price for us, the price we deserve to pay. He is the exit ramp of that super highway that we are all on.

God gave us a free will. We can use that free will to stay on the highway to destruction and judgment or choose the exit ramp to eternal life in Christ. The choice is ours God will not force us onto the exit ramp. He allows us to choose. He will be faithful in giving us the eternity we choose.

It matters not if one thinks God is a dictator. He is the Creator and it is His prerogative to do as He wishes with His creation. Thankfully, God is love and He showed His love for us in that while we were yet sinners, He manifested Himself in Christ, suffered, and died so that we could be saved. There is no greater love than this. God's the price of God's wrath against sin could only be paid by Christ. We are unable to save ourselves. Salvation is available only through Christ. We do not make the rules nor can we change them.

We can complain about it, reject it, or choose to disbelieve but we cannot avoid the consequences of our choice. God will be faithful in respecting our free will choice.

We should all be thankful that God gave us a choice, an exit ramp from that super highway that we are all on until we take the exit ramp in Christ.

One final thing. There are those that ask why Christians share their faith rather than keep it to themselves. There are those on these very threads that complain about Christians sharing their faith,.We share our faith because our Lord and Savior has commanded us to be road signs on the super highway of life, pointing to the exit ramp in Christ.We cannot force anyone onto that exit ramp as some falsely accuse, all we can do is point to the exit ramp. While there are some that choose to ignore the road signs, there are others that do not. God is pleased when even a single soul chooses the exit ramp andHis name is glorified by our presence on that super highway in obedience to His command to spread the Good News of salvation in Christ.

blackregiment

[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"][QUOTE="blackregiment"]

Did I say that you were "attacking" me, NO.

blackregiment

Correct.

You don't need to make things up.

blackregiment

I inferred a sense of guilt from your message, especially from your sarcastic "Nice try" response. I didn't "make things up". I can't read minds though, so if I misrepresented you, then I apologize.

Don't worry, it doesn't bother me too much what you think about me. I care about what you believe about Christ. That is what is important.

blackregiment

Good.

OK. In closing I will say that perhaps the most amazing thing is that you and others would put forth the effort to do the research to show that I used the term twice in a year, and that in your opinion that equates to "multiple times". You are entitled to your opinion, twice in a year may equate to "multiple times" but from my perspective, and in the context it was used, "multiple times" means numerous. You are entitled to your opinion and so am I.

Even more amazing is that certain posters somehow consider the number of times I used a phrase as important enough in the grand scheme of things to "research" the matter as if it really matters, while at the same time refusing to do the research on the mountain of evidence for the existence of God and the truth of His Word, something that really matters, and will have eternal consequences for each of us.

I guess we all just have different priorities. That's the beauty of free will. We all get to choose where we put our faith and the Lord will respect our choice in eternity.

EDIT: Also, as for your use of that phrase, "adj. Having, relating to, or consisting of more than one individual, element, part, or other component; manifold."

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

Here is the point that I think many miss. I hope this helps clarify things. God by His nature is good, holy, just, and righteous. He cannot allow sin into His presence for He would not be holy. If He did not punish sin, He would not be just or righteous. We are all sinners and deserving of destruction. No one is good. We are all born with a sin nature.

We are all on a super highway heading for judgment and destruction. We are all on that highway and cannot change that whether we like it or not. God created us and He is in control.God owes us nothing more than what He has given us already. He does not owe us our next breath or heartbeat. God loves us however so He created an exit ramp from this highway to judgment and destruction in Christ who lived a perfect, sinless life, and suffered and died in payment for the sins of those that put their faith and trust in Him. He paid the price for us, the price we deserve to pay. He is the exit ramp of that super highway that we are all on.

God gave us a free will. We can use that free will to stay on the highway to destruction and judgment or choose the exit ramp to eternal life in Christ. The choice is ours God will not force us onto the exit ramp. He allows us to choose. He will be faithful in giving us the eternity we choose.

It matters not if one thinks God is a dictator. He is the Creator and it is His prerogative to do as He wishes with His creation. Thankfully, God is love and He showed His love for us in that while we were yet sinners, He manifested Himself in Christ, suffered, and died so that we could be saved. There is no greater love than this. God's the price of God's wrath against sin could only be paid by Christ. We are unable to save ourselves. Salvation is available only through Christ. We do not make the rules nor can we change them.

We can complain about it, reject it, or choose to disbelieve but we cannot avoid the consequences of our choice. God will be faithful in respecting our free will choice.

We should all be thankful that God gave us a choice, an exit ramp from that super highway that we are all on until we take the exit ramp in Christ.

One final thing. There are those that ask why Christians share their faith rather than keep it to themselves. There are those on these very threads that complain about Christians sharing their faith,.We share our faith because our Lord and Savior has commanded us to be road signs on the super highway of life, pointing to the exit ramp in Christ.We cannot force anyone onto that exit ramp as some falsely accuse, all we can do is point to the exit ramp. While there are some that choose to ignore the road signs, there are others that do not. God is pleased when even a single soul chooses the exit ramp andHis name is glorified by our presence on that super highway in obedience to His command to spread the Good News of salvation in Christ.

Funky_Llama

Actually your assumption is incorrect. I wrote that as I posted it. I do not doubt that you have seen elements of what I wrote, for the Gospel and God's truth is consistent and unchanging and I have written about it many, many times on these threads. The sad thing is that your are response reveals that you have nothing to disprove or refute what I have written so you are left to trivial and irrelevant comments to attempt to discredit the truth of God's Word.

What is this mountain of evidence, anyway? You cite it frequently, but I never actually see it.

Funky_Llama

If this were our first encounter, I would be inclined and overjoyed to spend the time and put forth the effort to share this information with you. Since it is not, and I have provided this information many times before, on many different threads, on which your were actively posting, in fact even bemoaning at times, that I had shared this information before, I choose not to waste my time repeating what I have posted and you have either ignored or dismissed based solely on the weight of your opinion only.

At this point, I suggest that, if you have had a change of heart and now wish to seek this evidence with an open mind, you begin a search for the truth on your own. There is a wealth of information available out there, you just have to want to seek and find it, but most importantly, seek it with an open mind and a sincere desire to find the truth wherever that may lead.

In closing I will say, that all you need to know regarding salvation in Christ is presented in a post you responded to earlier. My responsibility to the Lord is to share the Gospel. I have fulfilled that obligation many times over in past and in present discussions with you. How you deal with it is your own free will choice.

I wish you well.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="blackregiment"]

Here is the point that I think many miss. I hope this helps clarify things. God by His nature is good, holy, just, and righteous. He cannot allow sin into His presence for He would not be holy. If He did not punish sin, He would not be just or righteous. We are all sinners and deserving of destruction. No one is good. We are all born with a sin nature.

We are all on a super highway heading for judgment and destruction. We are all on that highway and cannot change that whether we like it or not. God created us and He is in control.God owes us nothing more than what He has given us already. He does not owe us our next breath or heartbeat. God loves us however so He created an exit ramp from this highway to judgment and destruction in Christ who lived a perfect, sinless life, and suffered and died in payment for the sins of those that put their faith and trust in Him. He paid the price for us, the price we deserve to pay. He is the exit ramp of that super highway that we are all on.

God gave us a free will. We can use that free will to stay on the highway to destruction and judgment or choose the exit ramp to eternal life in Christ. The choice is ours God will not force us onto the exit ramp. He allows us to choose. He will be faithful in giving us the eternity we choose.

It matters not if one thinks God is a dictator. He is the Creator and it is His prerogative to do as He wishes with His creation. Thankfully, God is love and He showed His love for us in that while we were yet sinners, He manifested Himself in Christ, suffered, and died so that we could be saved. There is no greater love than this. God's the price of God's wrath against sin could only be paid by Christ. We are unable to save ourselves. Salvation is available only through Christ. We do not make the rules nor can we change them.

We can complain about it, reject it, or choose to disbelieve but we cannot avoid the consequences of our choice. God will be faithful in respecting our free will choice.

We should all be thankful that God gave us a choice, an exit ramp from that super highway that we are all on until we take the exit ramp in Christ.

One final thing. There are those that ask why Christians share their faith rather than keep it to themselves. There are those on these very threads that complain about Christians sharing their faith,.We share our faith because our Lord and Savior has commanded us to be road signs on the super highway of life, pointing to the exit ramp in Christ.We cannot force anyone onto that exit ramp as some falsely accuse, all we can do is point to the exit ramp. While there are some that choose to ignore the road signs, there are others that do not. God is pleased when even a single soul chooses the exit ramp andHis name is glorified by our presence on that super highway in obedience to His command to spread the Good News of salvation in Christ.

blackregiment

Actually your assumption is incorrect. I wrote that as I posted it. I do not doubt that you have seen elements of what I wrote, for the Gospel and God's truth is consistent and unchanging and I have written about it many, many times on these threads. The sad thing is that your are response reveals that you have nothing to disprove or refute what I have written so you are left to trivial and irrelevant comments to attempt to discredit the truth of God's Word.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

What is this mountain of evidence, anyway? You cite it frequently, but I never actually see it.

blackregiment

If this were our first encounter, I would be inclined and overjoyed to spend the time and put forth the effort to share this information with you. Since it is not, and I have provided this information many times before, on many different threads, on which your were actively posting, in fact even bemoaning at times, that I had shared this information before, I choose not to waste my time repeating what I have posted and you have either ignored or dismissed based solely on the weight of your opinion only.

At this point, I suggest that, if you have had a change of heart and now wish to seek this evidence with an open mind, you begin a search for the truth on your own. There is a wealth of information available out there, you just have to want to seek and find it, but most importantly, seek it with an open mind and a sincere desire to find the truth wherever that may lead.

In closing I will say, that all you need to know regarding salvation in Christ is presented in a post you responded to earlier. My responsibility to the Lord is to share the Gospel. I have fulfilled that obligation many times over in past and in present discussions with you. How you deal with it is your own free will choice.

I wish you well.

[QUOTE="STWELCH"][QUOTE="blackregiment"]

Here is the point that I think many miss. I hope this helps clarify things. God by His nature is good, holy, just, and righteous. He cannot allow sin into His presence for He would not be holy. If He did not punish sin, He would not be just or righteous. We are all sinners and deserving of destruction. No one is good. We are all born with a sin nature.

We are all on a super highway heading for judgment and destruction. We are all on that highway and cannot change that whether we like it or not. God created us and He is in control.God owes us nothing more than what He has given us already. He does not owe us our next breath or heartbeat. God loves us however so He created an exit ramp from this highway to judgment and destruction in Christ who lived a perfect, sinless life, and suffered and died in payment for the sins of those that put their faith and trust in Him. He paid the price for us, the price we deserve to pay. He is the exit ramp of that super highway that we are all on.

God gave us a free will. We can use that free will to stay on the highway to destruction and judgment or choose the exit ramp to eternal life in Christ. The choice is ours God will not force us onto the exit ramp. He allows us to choose. He will be faithful in giving us the eternity we choose.

It matters not if one thinks God is a dictator. He is the Creator and it is His prerogative to do as He wishes with His creation. Thankfully, God is love and He showed His love for us in that while we were yet sinners, He manifested Himself in Christ, suffered, and died so that we could be saved. There is no greater love than this. God's the price of God's wrath against sin could only be paid by Christ. We are unable to save ourselves. Salvation is available only through Christ. We do not make the rules nor can we change them.

We can complain about it, reject it, or choose to disbelieve but we cannot avoid the consequences of our choice. God will be faithful in respecting our free will choice.

We should all be thankful that God gave us a choice, an exit ramp from that super highway that we are all on until we take the exit ramp in Christ.

One final thing. There are those that ask why Christians share their faith rather than keep it to themselves. There are those on these very threads that complain about Christians sharing their faith,.We share our faith because our Lord and Savior has commanded us to be road signs on the super highway of life, pointing to the exit ramp in Christ.We cannot force anyone onto that exit ramp as some falsely accuse, all we can do is point to the exit ramp. While there are some that choose to ignore the road signs, there are others that do not. God is pleased when even a single soul chooses the exit ramp andHis name is glorified by our presence on that super highway in obedience to His command to spread the Good News of salvation in Christ.

blackregiment

God's ontological essence is Love; none supersedes that. The entire idea of this need for "justice" as you call it, is frankly, absurd. God is God; He can do what he wishes, and if his true essence is love, the need for this equilibrium of bad and good is futile.

Sorry but I don't dabble in esoteric interpretation. I get my truth from the whole counsel of God's revealed Word, not just the parts that we feel comfortable with. God is love but He is also holy, righteous and just. He hates sin and the penalty for sin is eternal death. Christ paid the price for the sins of those that put their faith in Him. I don't know where you are coming up with this concept of "equilibrium of bad and good" of which you speak. I made no mention of this in my post. Your comments seem to indicate that you do not believe that God's justice requires that the price of sin must be paid. Are you suggesting that Christ's death in payment for our sins was unnecessary? That God can just ignore sin? This is contrary to what the Bible reveals. In Christ, God demonstrated His love for us in that He died to pay the price for our sins. He died to pay the price that God's justice demands. Christ's death was a propitiation for our sins. " The word propitiation carries the basic idea of appeasement, or satisfaction, specifically towards God. Propitiation is a two-part act that involves appeasing the wrath of an offended person and being reconciled to him."

The bottom line is that when we sin, we sin against God. Sin has a price that must be paid. God loved us enough to pay that price for us, the price we deserve to pay, in Christ.

All I can say is that if you think that what God has revealed in His Word is "absurd", then I suggest you take it up with Him.

Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
Isa 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
Isa 13:11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogance of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

Psa 1:6 For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

Eze 11:21 But as for them whose heart walketh after the heart of their detestable things and their abominations, I will recompense their way upon their own heads, saith the Lord GOD.
Eze 11:12 And ye shall know that I am the LORD: for ye have not walked in my statutes, neither executed my judgments, but have done after the manners of the heathen that are round about you.

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Ecc 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

This is my main criticism with subsidiary atonement; God has to pay the price to himself. Does that not sound a little absurd that He had to create a loophole (In Christ death) for His own will to be appeased?

And this must be the 12th time you have called me "esoteric". What I meant by the equilibrium of good and bad is that you seem to believe that God keeps a check book of sins that must be balanced; Limiting God to such parameters reduces God to a mere human being-like thing in the sky.

This is my main criticism with subsidiary atonement; God has to pay the price to himself. Does that not sound a little absurd that He had to create a loophole (In Christ death) for His own will to be appeased?

And this must be the 12th time you have called me "esoteric". What I meant by the equilibrium of good and bad is that you seem to believe that God keeps a check book of sins that must be balanced; Limiting God to such parameters reduces God to a mere human being-like thing in the sky.

STWELCH

If you re-read what I wrote, I refered to esoteric interpretation. Unless you are an "interpretation" then it should be clear that I was referring to your interpretation of Scripture, not you.

Let me say that I find it rather amazing that a Christian would consider God's plan of salvation through Christ's sacrifice as "absurd". If anyone is "limiting God" it is you by your suggestion that His plan of salvation, through Christ's suffering and death, is somehow "absurd".

God would not be just if He did not punish sin. When we sin, we sin against God. After the fall of Adam and Eve God promised that He would send a Savior. The entire Old Testament points to that coming Savior, Jesus Christ. The payment for sin requires an innocent, sinless sacifice. All men are fallen sinners. Only God Himself, manifested as Jesus could live a sinless life. Jesus died to pay the price of sin for those that choose to repent and place their faith and trust in Him.

Finally, please don't prevaricate and imply that I wrote something that I did not. I never wrote that "God keeps a check book of sins that must be balanced". All men are sinners and are separated from God, both in this life and eternity. We are born into sin as a result of the fall. We can do nothing to save ourselves. "There is no service, sacrifice or gift that man can offer that will appease the holy wrath of God or satisfy His perfect justice. The only satisfaction, or propitiation, that could be acceptable to God and that could reconcile man to Him, had to be made by God. For this reason God the Son, Jesus Christ, came into the world in human flesh to be the perfect sacrifice for sin and make atonement or propitiation for the sins of the people." We are lost without Christ. Whrn we repent of our sin and accept Christ as our Lord and Savior, we are reuinted in fellowship with the Lord in this world and for all eternity. Our sins are blotted out and we are counted righteous in God's eyes, covered by the blood of Christ. We are counted sinless by the blood of Christ, something we don't derserve but receive by God's grace, through our faith alone, in Christ alone.

http://www.gotquestions.org/propitiation.html

This is all in the Bible, clearly revealed to anyone that reads and studies it, with the Holy Spirit as their guide.

Not at all. As I said I don't believe either of them are real.cowboymonkey21

After you answer that question, I ask that you would please answer these questions: Have you ever told a lie? Have you ever stolen anything? Have you ever looked with lust? Have you ever hated anyone? Have you ever used God's name in vain? Like as a swear word? After you answer these, I'll quote you and ask you a few more. I'll answer them along with you guys. God bless, Crushmaster.Crushmaster

1. yes

2. no

3. haha ya

4. no

5 ya

[QUOTE="cowboymonkey21"]Not at all. As I said I don't believe either of them are real.Crushmaster

Oh come ON!

This thread has clearly run it's course, we've been going in circles for the last 20 or so pages, and no one is listening to you except the other TCWU members. WHY do you keep bringing it back?!?! :evil:

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="cowboymonkey21"]Not at all. As I said I don't believe either of them are real.black_cat19

Oh come ON!

This thread has clearly run it's course, we've been going in circles for the last 20 or so pages, and no one is listening to you except the other TCWU members. WHY do you keep bringing it back?!?! :evil:

Even dimwits feel allegiance amongst each other.  Not to matter... 

OK. In closing I will say that perhaps the most amazing thing is that you and others would put forth the effort to do the research to show that I used the term twice in a year, and that in your opinion that equates to "multiple times".

You are entitled to your opinion, twice in a year may equate to "multiple times" but from my perspective, and in the context it was used, "multiple times" means numerous. You are entitled to your opinion and so am I.

blackregiment

Look, I did a three second Google search and found that you only posted it twice, with no other results provided. That hardly qualifies as research. I personally never said anything about it being "multiple times" if you think I did and even if I had, I'm not going to apologize. I'm going to drop it, because somehow, we're slobbering at the mouth about useless words, or at least I am because I can't speak for you.

One thing you didn't mention that even if you conceded the argument about the Coulter quote, then it wouldn't have mattered anyway, because it had nothing to do what the original statement had to deal with.

Even more amazing is that certain posters somehow consider the number of times I used a phrase as important enough in the grand scheme of things to "research" the matter as if it really matters, while at the same time refusing to do the research on the mountain of evidence for the existence of God and the truth of His Word, something that really matters, and will have eternal consequences for each of us.

I guess we all just have different priorities. That's the beauty of free will. We all get to choose where we put our faith and the Lord will respect our choice in eternity.

blackregiment

I gather that's the beauty of choice.

I am a very good person by humanistic standards.blasted_panties

I don't doubt that by worldly standards you are. The problem is, God's standard is perfection and none of us are able to meet that standard.  We are all sinners and unable to save ourselves. We like to think that by doing good deeds we can offset our sins and earn our way into Heaven. God's plan does not work that way. There is no amount of good deeds that will offset the fact that we all are fallen sinners by God's standards. God has told us in His Word that if we repent and put our faith and trust in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior, our sins will be forgiven and we will be counted righteous in His eyes by the blood of Christ. God has revealed that there is no other path to salvation, except through the blood of Christ, who died so that we could have eternal life.   

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="cowboymonkey21"]Not at all. As I said I don't believe either of them are real.black_cat19

Oh come ON!

This thread has clearly run it's course, we've been going in circles for the last 20 or so pages, and no one is listening to you except the other TCWU members. WHY do you keep bringing it back?!?! :evil:

If you feel that way, then why do you choose to continue to visit this thread? You are under no compulsion. By the same token, if others want to continue to discuss things, then they have the freedom to do so as well.  

OK. In closing I will say that perhaps the most amazing thing is that you and others would put forth the effort to do the research to show that I used the term twice in a year, and that in your opinion that equates to "multiple times".

You are entitled to your opinion, twice in a year may equate to "multiple times" but from my perspective, and in the context it was used, "multiple times" means numerous. You are entitled to your opinion and so am I.

blackregiment

Look, I did a three second Google search and found that you only posted it twice, with no other results provided. That hardly qualifies as research. I personally never said anything about it being "multiple times" if you think I did and even if I had, I'm not going to apologize. I'm going to drop it, because somehow, we're slobbering at the mouth about useless words, or at least I am because I can't speak for you.

Genetic_Code

I never said that you said it "anything about it being "multiple times"".  That being said however, I do find it odd that you would do the research and make a post about something that you were not implying. Sorta like one saying, "I never said that baseball interests me" and is yet is frequently seen attending games.   

I also never mentioned, suggested, asked for, or expected an apology.

One thing you didn't mention that even if you conceded the argument about the Coulter quote, then it wouldn't have mattered anyway, because it had nothing to do what the original statement had to deal with.

Genetic_Code

I never conceded anything. You many one definition of what "multiple" meant when used in the context it was, and I have a different definition based on the context it was used in.

I do agree with you that the issue didn't matter and that the number of times I may have used the statement in a year had nothing to do with the original question since I asked the original question which remains unanswered to this day. A poster made this comment, referring to this thread. "What have you done?! You brought it back, like an irritatingly holier-than-thou Frankenstein's monster!" I then made this comment to that poster, "That is not a very nice thing to say." Another poster then responded to that comment with the Ann Coulter quote, "and the truth cannot be delivered with novocaine."  I then responded to that poster with this, "Ok, since you are asserting that his statement is true, then prove that it is, that posting something on and Internet forum is the equivalent of what he stated. Personal opinions do not count. Evidence please?"  Rather than answer my question, proving that the original posters was true, the poster changed the discussion to one of how many times I may have used the Ann Coulter quote, obviously as a diversionary tactic since he could not prove the original posters comment was true, as he asserted in his response using the Ann Coulter quote.

My question remains unanswered to this day. Instead, the discussion became one of how many times I may have used the Ann Coulter phrase in a year. You were not even involved in the original discussion but chose to jump in to "prove" that I had used the statement twice in a year.  

Even more amazing is that certain posters somehow consider the number of times I used a phrase as important enough in the grand scheme of things to "research" the matter as if it really matters, while at the same time refusing to do the research on the mountain of evidence for the existence of God and the truth of His Word, something that really matters, and will have eternal consequences for each of us.

I guess we all just have different priorities. That's the beauty of free will. We all get to choose where we put our faith and the Lord will respect our choice in eternity.

blackregiment

I gather that's the beauty of choice.

Genetic_Code

Agreed, with the qualifier that many choices we make are temporal in nature and while they may seem important at that moment, they are really just wisps of smoke in relation to eternity. The choice we make that will affect our eternal destination is really all that matters.   

Oh good, this thread is back.

I've been craving to be told that I'll be burning in hell for an eternity as of late.

Yes to all of your questions, and yes I do consider myself a good person.  Most of all my lying happened when I was younger, I've only stolen once and that was it, I say God's name in vain and I don't care... 

Actions speak louder than words and my actions, I would say, make me a good person.  Most, if not all, of my friends would agree.

God, our Creator is our Father. I venture to say that not many would consider it acceptable to take our biological parent's names in vain. We love our parents and few would take their name in vain. Our Heavenly Father sustains us. Each breath we take, every beat of our heart depends on Him. There is none greater than He. In addition, He commands us to not take His name in vain.

Exo 20:7  Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

What is it that makes you certain that God does not exist? blackregiment

The very definition of "God" is subjective. Also there is too much pain and suffering in this world for an all-powerful and all-loving God to exist. Therefore I as a rational agent believe the Christian God does not exist or at least is not all-powerful or all-loving. 

Thunder foot has something to say on this issue... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjEC3DTUyxs

Thunder foot has something to say on this issue... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjEC3DTUyxs

bsman00

Good ol thunderfoot, destroyer of the stupid and protector of logic.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]What is it that makes you certain that God does not exist? X4D

The very definition of "God" is subjective. Also there is too much pain and suffering in this world for an all-powerful and all-loving God to exist. Therefore I as a rational agent believe the Christian God does not exist or at least is not all-powerful or all-loving. 

The definition of God is not subjective. He has revealed Himself in His Word. Our definition of anything does not determine the reality of that thing. For example, if one describes a red car as blue, that does not make the car blue in reality. It remains a red car. 

Pain and suffering are the result of the fall. They are caused by our free will choice to be disobedient to God's Word. God created us with a free will. He did not create robots. Since we have free will, there will be those that choose disobedience to God and pain and suffering will result. The only way to eliminate pain and suffering is for God to eliminate our free will. Is that what you are asking for?

God thinks in eternal terms, we think in temporal terms. Our time in this temporal world is but a wisp of smoke compared to eternity.  He gives us a free will to choose the eternity we desire. He will be faithful in giving us the eternal destiny we choose with our own free will. 

After you answer that question, I ask that you would please answer these questions: Have you ever told a lie? Yes Have you ever stolen anything? Yes, a porno mag....ooh, lust and theft in one turn! Have you ever looked with lust? yes Have you ever hated anyone? no Have you ever used God's name in vain? like 10 times a day Like as a swear word? After you answer these, I'll quote you and ask you a few more. I'll answer them along with you guys. God bless, Crushmaster.Crushmaster

Yes, I am a good person. I am kind, generous, understanding, forgiving, hard working, dont think in black and white terms, and I love my friends and family.