Do you doubt that your God exists?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]But faith is a personal relationship with God. No two people are exactly the same.Deity_Slapper

Which is why no two gods are exactly the same. You just proved what I said weeks ago. Everyone makes up their own god in their minds. There are as many gods as there are believers. And with that many gods being possible, the odds are slim that anyone has it figured out. At this point in the chain of enlightenment, it would make sense to just bar any sure-footed claims into the existence of a deity, wouldn't it? At least until the field is narrowed down just a little bit?

What!?!? :lol:

All of the people involved in a love triangle, or square, or pentagon...will all be real, living beings. Of course the relationships will be different, but it doesn't change who the people are! With god however, no one knows anything, and make it all up in their heads, and by not even having a common, shared foundation, the amount of concoctions that have been created in peoples imaginations is absolutely staggering.

Talk about not being aligned...

I think you missed the point of what he was saying. Having a relationship was God is no different with having a relationship with anyone, it will be different depending on your own personality. But most (not all) Christians go to Church and read the Bible, so in reality, you are not coming up with an idea of what God is like in your imagination, you are learning what God is like based on the methods that we have. The Bible and Church is the foundation of God, not our minds.

"Do you doubt that your God exists?"

No, because I have no god.

Oh my god exists alright!!!! In the forms of MONEY!!!

muahahahahahahamuamuamuamuahuahuahua!!!!

[QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]But faith is a personal relationship with God. No two people are exactly the same.LJS9502_basic

Which is why no two gods are exactly the same. You just proved what I said weeks ago. Everyone makes up their own god in their minds. There are as many gods as there are believers. And with that many gods being possible, the odds are slim that anyone has it figured out. At this point in the chain of enlightenment, it would make sense to just bar any sure-footed claims into the existence of a deity, wouldn't it? At least until the field is narrowed down just a little bit?

What!?!? :lol:

All of the people involved in a love triangle, or square, or pentagon...will all be real, living beings. Of course the relationships will be different, but it doesn't change who the people are! With god however, no one knows anything, and make it all up in their heads, and by not even having a common, shared foundation, the amount of concoctions that have been created in peoples imaginations is absolutely staggering.

Talk about not being aligned...

Let me try again. If I date my friends' ex-girlfriend, the relationship I have with her would be different than the one she had with him, yes, but since she's still a verifiable, living, being, with unique characteristics and identifiable personality traits, then my friend and I would both notice the same things about her, without having discussed those things prior.

With god, there is no picture, no solid being to identify with, nothing to hear, see, touch, smell, etc. Everything a person hears about god, goes into their little imagination area of their brain and this is when people get creative. Since there is no foundation, and all shared "knowledge" of god is based on heresay, a person would have no choice but to dress up the image of god in their minds with the attributes they would be most pleased to see. Then people go around talking about how they know god, when it's all based on this creation in their minds. A completely different scenario than the one you used involving ACTUAL people. People will recognize the same characteristics about a person without having talked about that person before, but with god, it's every individuals' own personal idea that developed over the years in that little section of the mind that controls wishful thinking. Nothing of common character could be shared amongst the various believers. They all have a different image of god in their minds. Ever notice how christians themselves can't agree on so many different subjects within their own supposed shared faith?

If I still "don't get it", then maybe you could elaborate a little further, because I'm doing the best I can with the vague post you put up. I just hope you're not a teacher of any sort.

P.S. - That quote of Plato's doesn't really look so shiny when it's attached to a gargantuan post count number, like yours... ;)

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]But faith is a personal relationship with God. No two people are exactly the same.Deity_Slapper

Which is why no two gods are exactly the same. You just proved what I said weeks ago. Everyone makes up their own god in their minds. There are as many gods as there are believers. And with that many gods being possible, the odds are slim that anyone has it figured out. At this point in the chain of enlightenment, it would make sense to just bar any sure-footed claims into the existence of a deity, wouldn't it? At least until the field is narrowed down just a little bit?

What!?!? :lol:

All of the people involved in a love triangle, or square, or pentagon...will all be real, living beings. Of course the relationships will be different, but it doesn't change who the people are! With god however, no one knows anything, and make it all up in their heads, and by not even having a common, shared foundation, the amount of concoctions that have been created in peoples imaginations is absolutely staggering.

Talk about not being aligned...

Let me try again. If I date my friends' ex-girlfriend, the relationship I have with her would be different than the one she had with him, yes, but since she's still a verifiable, living, being, with unique characteristics and identifiable personality traits, then my friend and I would both notice the same things about her, without having discussed those things prior.

With god, there is no picture, no solid being to identify with, nothing to hear, see, touch, smell, etc. Everything a person hears about god, goes into their little imagination area of their brain and this is when people get creative. Since there is no foundation, and all shared "knowledge" of god is based on heresay, a person would have no choice but to dress up the image of god in their minds with the attributes they would be most pleased to see. Then people go around talking about how they know god, when it's all based on this creation in their minds. A completely different scenario than the one you used involving ACTUAL people. People will recognize the same characteristics about a person without having talked about that person before, but with god, it's every individuals' own personal idea that developed over the years in that little section of the mind that controls wishful thinking. Nothing of common character could be shared amongst the various believers. They all have a different image of god in their minds. Ever notice how christians themselves can't agree on so many different subjects within their own supposed shared faith?

If I still "don't get it", then maybe you could elaborate a little further, because I'm doing the best I can with the vague post you put up. I just hope you're not a teacher of any sort.

P.S. - That quote of Plato's doesn't really look so shiny when it's attached to a gargantuan post count number, like yours... ;)

So, you disagree that there could be one single god?

So, you disagree that there could be one single god?

BlackAlpha666

I disagree with anyone who claims to know for sure, of anything that is based on fantasy, and/or unproven. No one knows why the hell we are here, and how we got here. Until someone can give solid undeniable proof of such things, we remain at our default ignorance. I don't know why that's so bad. I actually think it's kinda cool not to know.

Could there be one single god? Sure, it's possible since anything really is...but it's just an idea. And until this idea expands beyond just being a popular fantasy (meaning that something of substance, proof, accompanies it), we shouldn't have people seriously preaching it as if it were the undeniable truth, saying that all who do not heed them will surely suffer...and crap like that.

Preying on peoples' emotional weaknesses, and selling them hope-filled fairy tales to be used as crutches for those weaknesses, has become a huge, profitable industry. I've always just seen it as "sweeping it under the rug" though, which of course is unsatisfactory for someone like me who seeks to find actual solutions for problems...not just a bandage to cover it up.

[QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"]

So, you disagree that there could be one single god?

Deity_Slapper

I disagree with anyone who claims to know for sure, of anything that is based on fantasy, and/or unproven. No one knows why the hell we are here, and how we got here. Until someone can give solid undeniable proof of such things, we remain at our default ignorance. I don't know why that's so bad. I actually think it's kinda cool not to know.

Could there be one single god? Sure, it's possible since anything really is...but it's just an idea. And until this idea expands beyond just being a popular fantasy (meaning that something of substance, proof, accompanies it), we shouldn't have people seriously preaching it as if it were the undeniable truth, saying that all who do not heed them will surely suffer...and crap like that.

Preying on peoples' emotional weaknesses, and selling them hope-filled fairy tales to be used as crutches for those weaknesses, has become a huge, profitable industry. I've always just seen it as "sweeping it under the rug" though, which of course is unsatisfactory for someone like me who seeks to find actual solutions for problems...not just a bandage to cover it up.

Ok, then I agree with you. It's just that you went on and on about the multiple god thing that I thought you dismissed the idea of a single god.

But you are forgetting that this is about faith, it doesn't have to make sense. In the case of Christianity it has been like this for 2 thousand years. You can't expect them to change their belief. Especially not because the idea of a single god is as plausible as any other religious idea, so they might aswell just stick with it.

Ok, then I agree with you. It's just that you went on and on about the multiple god thing that I thought you dismissed the idea of a single god.

But you are forgetting that this is about faith, it doesn't have to make sense. In the case of Christianity it has been like this for 2 thousand years. You can't expect them to change their belief. Especially not because the idea of a single god is as plausible as any other religious idea, so they might aswell stick with it.

BlackAlpha666

They haven't really, though, have they? The Jews had it first, then the Catholicss added Jesus, then the Muslims broke off from that, and the Protestants as well, then Mormons, etc. Christianity has been evolving as well. At first they were even opposed to the crazy idea that the Earth wasn't the center of the universe!

But you are forgetting that this is about faith, it doesn't have to make sense. BlackAlpha666

Something that doesn't make sense shouldn't be part of someone's belief structure, or everyday living. That's disastrous. Something like that should be addressed before it even becomes an issue.

In the case of Christianity it has been like this for 2 thousand years. You can't expect them to change their belief. Especially not because the idea of a single god is as plausible as any other religious idea, so they might aswell stick with it.

BlackAlpha666

I expect some to change, because some have, including myself. Why would I not expect some people to actually grow out of it when I've already witnessed it happen? I'm not expecting all christians to change, though. I understand that differences in personalities play a huge role in something of this nature...and some people just really, really love the snug cuddly feeling of having a security blanket...even if it is completely peppered with holes. Some personality types are more comfortable with detachment than others.

But, I'm logging off for now. I'll check for your reply (if any) later on. Peace.

Nope. I look up to the sky every morning to see my God, my creator, my life-giver shining down on me from 149.600,000 kilometers away.foxhound_fox

Fox, is this sarcastic? I thought you were Buddhist?

Let me try again. If I date my friends' ex-girlfriend, the relationship I have with her would be different than the one she had with him, yes, but since she's still a verifiable, living, being, with unique characteristics and identifiable personality traits, then my friend and I would both notice the same things about her, without having discussed those things prior.

With god, there is no picture, no solid being to identify with, nothing to hear, see, touch, smell, etc. Everything a person hears about god, goes into their little imagination area of their brain and this is when people get creative. Since there is no foundation, and all shared "knowledge" of god is based on heresay, a person would have no choice but to dress up the image of god in their minds with the attributes they would be most pleased to see. Then people go around talking about how they know god, when it's all based on this creation in their minds. A completely different scenario than the one you used involving ACTUAL people. People will recognize the same characteristics about a person without having talked about that person before, but with god, it's every individuals' own personal idea that developed over the years in that little section of the mind that controls wishful thinking. Nothing of common character could be shared amongst the various believers. They all have a different image of god in their minds. Ever notice how christians themselves can't agree on so many different subjects within their own supposed shared faith?

If I still "don't get it", then maybe you could elaborate a little further, because I'm doing the best I can with the vague post you put up. I just hope you're not a teacher of any sort.

P.S. - That quote of Plato's doesn't really look so shiny when it's attached to a gargantuan post count number, like yours... ;)

Deity_Slapper

IYO there is nothing verifiable. Just because he isn't in human form doesn't mean someone can't have a relationship with their God...and it's arrogant to think one can speak for another.

You like my quote....I put it in there because I have something to day. Thanks for saying something.:)

[QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"]

But you are forgetting that this is about faith, it doesn't have to make sense. Deity_Slapper

Something that doesn't make sense shouldn't be part of someone's belief structure, or everyday living. That's disastrous. Something like that should be addressed before it even becomes an issue.

In the case of Christianity it has been like this for 2 thousand years. You can't expect them to change their belief. Especially not because the idea of a single god is as plausible as any other religious idea, so they might aswell stick with it.

BlackAlpha666

I expect some to change, because some have, including myself. Why would I not expect some people to actually grow out of it when I've already witnessed it happen? I'm not expecting all christians to change, though. I understand that differences in personalities play a huge role in something of this nature...and some people just really, really love the snug cuddly feeling of having a security blanket...even if it is completely peppered with holes. Some personality types are more comfortable with detachment than others.

But, I'm logging off for now. I'll check for your reply (if any) later on. Peace.

The beauty of religion is that it's so mysterious that you could blame the lack of sense on the lack of knowledge about the universe. There are all kinds of stories that try to make sense out of it. It's not surprising because in 2000 years, you expect people to do lots of thinking. I think the problem with religion however is that religion is the ultimate, the end, the answer to everything. So people were mostly only thinking about how to make sense out of religion instead of questioning whether their belief is correct.

The scientific theories aren't even close to being the answer to everything. They only raise more questions about the theories themselves. Because the basis of science is that we don't know anything and we are a long way from figuring out the ultimate answer, it makes people more open minded towards everything. This leads to much faster and more importantly, much more diverse progress.

[QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

Let me try again. If I date my friends' ex-girlfriend, the relationship I have with her would be different than the one she had with him, yes, but since she's still a verifiable, living, being, with unique characteristics and identifiable personality traits, then my friend and I would both notice the same things about her, without having discussed those things prior.

With god, there is no picture, no solid being to identify with, nothing to hear, see, touch, smell, etc. Everything a person hears about god, goes into their little imagination area of their brain and this is when people get creative. Since there is no foundation, and all shared "knowledge" of god is based on heresay, a person would have no choice but to dress up the image of god in their minds with the attributes they would be most pleased to see. Then people go around talking about how they know god, when it's all based on this creation in their minds. A completely different scenario than the one you used involving ACTUAL people. People will recognize the same characteristics about a person without having talked about that person before, but with god, it's every individuals' own personal idea that developed over the years in that little section of the mind that controls wishful thinking. Nothing of common character could be shared amongst the various believers. They all have a different image of god in their minds. Ever notice how christians themselves can't agree on so many different subjects within their own supposed shared faith?

If I still "don't get it", then maybe you could elaborate a little further, because I'm doing the best I can with the vague post you put up. I just hope you're not a teacher of any sort.

P.S. - That quote of Plato's doesn't really look so shiny when it's attached to a gargantuan post count number, like yours... ;)

LJS9502_basic

IYO there is nothing verifiable. Just because he isn't in human form doesn't mean someone can't have a relationship with their God...and it's arrogant to think one can speak for another.

You like my quote....I put it in there because I have something to day. Thanks for saying something.:)

Basically he's saying that, bluntly put, god is an opinion. Everyone has a different opinion on what god is like and what he wants. Everyone has created their own vision of god, afterlife and religion, so everyone technically worships their own, self created image of religion. Therefore, none 2 gods are the same; everyone worships a different god, a god they created themselves. When telling other people about their god, they think that other people have the same idea of what god is like but like you said yourself, everyone feels differently about god, so it's not entirely true when different people say they worship the same god.

Basically he's saying that, bluntly put, god is an opinion. Everyone has a different opinion on what god is like and what he wants. Everyone has created their own vision of god, afterlife and religion, so everyone technically worships their own, self created image of religion. Therefore, none 2 gods are the same; everyone worships a different god, a god they created themselves.

BlackAlpha666

That doesn't actually ring true of organized religion. Yes, it's personal to you but from the same basis as the God of others. Therefore, there is one God but many relationships with Him.

As to his opinion....I think he just wants an argument.

[QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"]

Basically he's saying that, bluntly put, god is an opinion. Everyone has a different opinion on what god is like and what he wants. Everyone has created their own vision of god, afterlife and religion, so everyone technically worships their own, self created image of religion. Therefore, none 2 gods are the same; everyone worships a different god, a god they created themselves.

LJS9502_basic

That doesn't actually ring true of organized religion. Yes, it's personal to you but from the same basis as the God of others. Therefore, there is one God but many relationships with Him.

As to his opinion....I think he just wants an argument.

I edited that post a bit.

I edited that post a bit.

BlackAlpha666

[QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"]

I edited that post a bit.

LJS9502_basic

I'm not trying to prove anything. I'm just giving you a different point of view. From a scientific perspective that's what you get. There is no real relationship, it's just your idea in your brain. It's like I ask you to draw me a picture of how the perfect utopian paradise would look like. We both would have different pictures, even if we agree on certain aspects and both follow the same guidelines.

What you make of this is your opinion. If you think it's because you have a personal and unique relationship with god, that's fine, you might be right. I doubt it in my opinion but it's possible. There just is no proof to disprove or prove that possibility.

without knowing where we are going and the route to get there, that's like getting into the car and driving around any direction...

I'm not trying to proof anything. I'm just giving you a different point of view. From a scientific perspective that's what you get. There is no real relationship, it's just your idea in your brain. It's like I ask you to draw me a picture of how the perfect utopian paradise would look like. We both would have different pictures, even if we agree on certain aspects and both follow the same guidelines.

What you make of this is your opinion. If you think it's because you have a personal and unique relationship with god, that's fine, you might be right. I doubt it in my opinion but it's possible.

BlackAlpha666

And please....science is not involved in matters of faith.

[QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"]

I'm not trying to proof anything. I'm just giving you a different point of view. From a scientific perspective that's what you get. There is no real relationship, it's just your idea in your brain. It's like I ask you to draw me a picture of how the perfect utopian paradise would look like. We both would have different pictures, even if we agree on certain aspects and both follow the same guidelines.

What you make of this is your opinion. If you think it's because you have a personal and unique relationship with god, that's fine, you might be right. I doubt it in my opinion but it's possible.

LJS9502_basic

And please....science is not involved in matters of faith.

Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong.

[QUOTE="Proobie44"]It's pretty normal for a religious person to have doubts about the existence of god, its what makes us human. And yes I did have doubts on wheather or not God really exist.fallconet

i'm interested,what makes an atheist human?

uh, what? what doesnt make them human?

what are you asking?

Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong.

BlackAlpha666

[QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"]

Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong.

LJS9502_basic

Are you calling me an atheist? I just believe in a different religion then yours.

Are you calling me an atheist? I just believe in a different religion then yours.

BlackAlpha666

[QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"]

Are you calling me an atheist? I just believe in a different religion then yours.

LJS9502_basic

Because nobody has the same religion as mine. I got my own compilation of beliefs.

Because nobody has the same religion as mine. I got my own compilation of beliefs.

BlackAlpha666

[QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"]

Because nobody has the same religion as mine. I got my own compilation of beliefs.

LJS9502_basic

He might agree. Maybe he won't belief but he might agree. If he would hold the same belief as mine, he would be contradicting the most important point of my belief.

Just because he isn't in human form doesn't mean someone can't have a relationship with their God...and it's arrogant to think one can speak for another. LJS9502_basic

It's not the fact that he's not human, it's the fact that he can't even be proven to exist. :roll: When will you grasp this? It's not that hard...

Tell me please, how in the hell are you having a relationship with something that you can't even prove to be existent? It's an imaginary relationship. Like when little girls have tea parties with all their stuffed animals, and they pretend they can all talk.

You like my quote....I put it in there because I have something to day. Thanks for saying something.:)

LJS9502_basic

I don't understand what you're saying here. ???

As to his opinion....I think he just wants an argument.

LJS9502_basic

No, I want a discussion. Don't be so pessimistic. I'm glad you're participating. It invigorates me to ponder so many different points of view.

Havivg a personal relationship doesn't mean the person is different.:|LJS9502_basic

Dude! That's what I was saying! The person is still the same! God is different to everyone because everyone imagines him in a different way!

An atheist is generally not the place to look for religious answers. You can believe him if you want...but he wants only to disbelieve so he is biased that way. LJS9502_basic

An atheist could be the right place to look, especially if that atheist is a former believer. :roll:

I don't WANT to disbelieve, I just don't want to be made a fool of. Which I was, when I blindly followed fairy tales. I felt stupid when I stepped outside myself, and took a glance from the outside looking in. I felt like a pathetic idiot for going along with these stupid stories, promises, and claims, when none of them made any sense, as well as not even having any evidence behind them. Combine that with my natural tendency to question and ponder things, and there you have it.

I don't want to disbelieve, I just want what I believe in to have some foundation of some sort, so I don't look like a fool when I go speaking about it. I want my precious, finite time in this life to be spent on things that are grounded in reality. Life is too short and precious to be wasting it living in imagination land. Sure it's great to visit your imagination every once in a while, but all the time? Constantly? And even believing that what you created in your head is actually real outside of yourself? Sorry, but no...not for me.

If god is real, and someone could prove it, I'd gladly give god praise for anything good that has ever happened to me.

[QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"]

Because nobody has the same religion as mine. I got my own compilation of beliefs.

LJS9502_basic

I don't agree with anyone, on everything. But some things, yes.

I could say exactly what BlackAlpha666 said though, as I too have my own compilation of beliefs...but then again, so does everyone, even christians, because remember they all envision god differently from each other, and that in itself lays the foundation for infinite different collections of beliefs to be born.

[QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"]

Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong.

LJS9502_basic

Very narrow-minded generalization there.. An atheist doesnt always want to disprove everything ..

All Athiesm wants is truth

Most of human kind would like there to be a GOD.. An atheist forms his beliefs on whats based in front of him, not from a series of proverbs written by men

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"]

Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong.

soren008

Very narrow-minded generalization there.. An atheist doesnt always want to disprove everything ..

All Athiesm wants is truth

Most of human kind would like there to be a GOD.. An atheist forms his beliefs on whats based in front of him, not from a series of proverbs written by men

Bingo. We have a winner.

I basically just said this a couple posts up. I only want to spend my precious time on things that are grounded in reality, an that I can personally experience with my 5 senses. It needs to be made real to me, otherwise I'd just be imagining everything and actually forcing myself to be delusional.

Very narrow-minded generalization there.. An atheist doesnt always want to disprove everything ..

All Athiesm wants is truth

Most of human kind would like there to be a GOD.. An atheist forms his beliefs on whats based in front of him, not from a series of proverbs written by men

soren008

So how could they understand faith? Answer...they can't.

"My" God. :lol:

Anyway, no. When I doubt God, I find myself doubting His character, not His existence.

So how could they understand faith? Answer...they can't.

LJS9502_basic

They CAN. If they've been there before. When someone loses faith, it doesn't mean they don't understand it anymore.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

So how could they understand faith? Answer...they can't.

Deity_Slapper

They CAN. If they've been there before. When someone loses faith, it doesn't mean they don't understand it anymore.

Wow, you really are delusional. I didn't think you were THAT bad.

So when I was a believer, I didn't have faith? Do you really think you know me better than I know myself? :roll:

You know, this would be a good time for you to stop, LJ. Remember, it's not shameful to admit when you're wrong...

Deity_Slapper

Anyway, the original context of the comment was that an atheist is not the best candidate to answer RELIGIOUS questions...and they are not dude seriously....:lol:

Do you really think you know me better than I know myself? :roll:

Deity_Slapper

Said the man who claims the majority of the Earth's population cannot think for themselves and is delusional for believing differently than him.

Anyway, the original context of the comment was that an atheist is not the best candidate to answer RELIGIOUS questions...and they are not dude seriously....:lol:LJS9502_basic

Even if that atheist is a former preacher? A former bible thumper? Maybe it could be someone with 30-40 of experience with the religion?

[QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

Do you really think you know me better than I know myself? :roll:

Dracargen

Said the man who claims the majority of the Earth's population cannot think for themselves and is delusional for believing differently than him.

?

I didn't say that. Are you high?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Anyway, the original context of the comment was that an atheist is not the best candidate to answer RELIGIOUS questions...and they are not dude seriously....:lol:Deity_Slapper

Even if that atheist is a former preacher? A former bible thumper? Maybe it could be someone with 30-40 of experience with the religion?

FYI...preachers are human...not superhuman.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Anyway, the original context of the comment was that an atheist is not the best candidate to answer RELIGIOUS questions...and they are not dude seriously....:lol:Deity_Slapper

Even if that atheist is a former preacher? A former bible thumper? Maybe it could be someone with 30-40 of experience with the religion?

You can have three lifetimes of experience and still not know a damn thing about it.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

Do you really think you know me better than I know myself? :roll:

Deity_Slapper

Said the man who claims the majority of the Earth's population cannot think for themselves and is delusional for believing differently than him.

?

I didn't say that. Are you high?

You have said the "they can't think for themselves" part to me directly several times. You have made several "delusional" remarks in this very thread, mainly to LJS.

They say pot messes with short-term memory.

Yep, I do sometimes. Though I mostly just come to the conclusion that god does exist but has absolutely no effect on our lives. munu9

So God exists, but is irrelevant?

Why not just not exist at all?

You have said the "they can't think for themselves" part to me directly several times. You have made several "delusional" remarks in this very thread, mainly to LJS.

They say pot messes with short-term memory.

Dracargen

When no point is forthcoming attack....favorite tactic I've noticed. Glad someone else noticed.