Do you really trust science?

Pretty much, I always do...

Everything can be skewed for personal gains. So you have to do your research before you trust also.

nothung can be fully trustedBayAreaX

Al Gore isn't a scientist. Brainkiller05

He is an environmental activist who presented to the people evidence of global warming by gathering information which he obtained through years of research.

Its sad how this topic quickly turned into a bash religious thread.

For shame, OT. For shame.

Absolutely not. The reason is that the unregenerate scientist hates God and is completely biased against Him. Holy Writ states,

Are men at least seeking God?

• Psalm 10:4 - The wicked, in the haughtiness of his countenance, does not seek Him. All his thoughts are, "There is no God."
• John 3:20 - "For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed."
• Isaiah 65:1 - "I permitted Myself to be sought by those who did not ask for Me; I permitted Myself to be found by those who did not seek Me."
• Isaiah 64:7 - There is no one who calls on Your name, who arouses himself to take hold of You; for You have hidden Your face from us and have delivered us into the power of our iniquities.
• Romans 3:10-12 - "there is none who seeks for God"

What is the natural disposition of man toward God?

• John 3:20 - "For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed."
• Romans 8:7-8 - the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
• Colossians 1:21 - you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds
• James 4:4 - You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

Modern science hates the One True Perfect and Holy God. He is unable to be biased. It is his nature to hate God because he is born that way,

Are men at least born pure? What about the "tabula rasa"?

• Psalm 51:5 - Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me.
• Genesis 8:21 - the Lord said to Himself, "I will never again curse the ground on account of man, for the intent of man's heart is evil from his youth
• Psalm 58:3 - The wicked are estranged from the womb; those who speak lies go astray from birth.
  
• Isaiah 48:8 - "You have not heard, you have not known. Even from long ago your ear has not been open, because I knew that you would deal very treacherously; and you have been called a rebel from birth."
• John 3:6 - "That which is born of the flesh is flesh"

That is why I don't truth modern science. I'm not saying that good things can't come from science. But to trust what they say as fact is illogical.

Science is nothing but developed perception, interpreted intent, common sense rounded out and minutely articulated.

That is why I don't truth modern science. I'm not saying that good things can't come from science. But to trust what they say as fact is illogical.

maheo30

TO completely discount science is also illogical.

Yup. I'm part of the ever-growing pro-science part of the Christian community.

Its sad how this topic quickly turned into a bash religious thread.

For shame, OT. For shame.

clayron

*looks below your post*

Happy now?

Science is under more scrutinty I could ever imagine.. Noone should ever "trust" science, you should accept it or disputewith the evidence founded under rational, logical, evidence under the scientific method.

The only people who don't trust science are those that don't want to trust it because their own beliefs are against the proofas found by science. Science is making hypothesis, finding truths, forming a theory then testing evidence against that theory.

BumFluff122

I was going to post, but I think BumFluff summed it up nicely.

*looks below your post*

Happy now?

metroidfood

I think is sad on both sides.

Each seems to be completely intolerant of the other.

Each seems to be completely intolerant of the other.

clayron

The difference is faith.

[QUOTE="clayron"]Each seems to be completely intolerant of the other.

LosDaddie

The difference is faith.

I do not understand. What do you mean?

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

[QUOTE="clayron"]Each seems to be completely intolerant of the other.

clayron

The difference is faith.

I do not understand. What do you mean?

What I meant was that Science is not anti-reiligion.

Science just operates differently because it doesn't rely on faith

[QUOTE="clayron"]

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

The difference is faith.

LosDaddie

I do not understand. What do you mean?

What I meant was that Science is not anti-reiligion.

Science just operates differently because it doesn't rely on faith

What I meant was that Science is not anti-reiligion.

Science just operates differently because it doesn't rely on faith

LosDaddie

That makes sense. I do not see how the two are mutually exclusive.

Science can not claim to know all the answers, it is impossible to study certain things.

And no religious person, regardless of faith, can claim to have all the answers. In Christianity we are told God will not give us all the answers.

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

What I meant was that Science is not anti-reiligion.

Science just operates differently because it doesn't rely on faith

clayron

That makes sense. I do not see how the two are mutually exclusive.

Science can not claim to know all the answers, it is impossible to study certain things.

And no religious person, regardless of faith, can claim to have all the answers. In Christianity we are told God will not give us all the answers.

The difference, however, is that science does not assert things for which it has no evidence. For example, science has not proposed an explanation as to the origin of life, as science does not have a well-supported explanation.

[QUOTE="clayron"]

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

What I meant was that Science is not anti-reiligion.

Science just operates differently because it doesn't rely on faith

chessmaster1989

That makes sense. I do not see how the two are mutually exclusive.

Science can not claim to know all the answers, it is impossible to study certain things.

And no religious person, regardless of faith, can claim to have all the answers. In Christianity we are told God will not give us all the answers.

The difference, however, is that science does not assert things for which it has no evidence. For example, science has not proposed an explanation as to the origin of life, as science does not have a well-supported explanation.

Science can not claim to know all the answers, clayron

And "science" does not make that claim

The difference, however, is that science does not assert things for which it has no evidence. For example, science has not proposed an explanation as to the origin of life, as science does not have a well-supported explanation.

chessmaster1989

Tis True.

That's where the "faith" factor kicks in, well as far as the religious are concerned.

Most of us are not blind zealots as people often believe.

For me, its hard to believe that everything was created in seven days when it took 16 years for me to hit puberty.

But, I have faith that my religious teachings knows more than I do, and is directed by a being I do not understand.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

The difference, however, is that science does not assert things for which it has no evidence. For example, science has not proposed an explanation as to the origin of life, as science does not have a well-supported explanation.

clayron

Tis True.

That's where the "faith" factor kicks in, well as far as the religious are concerned.

Most of us are not blind zealots as people often believe.

For me, its hard to believe that everything was created in seven days when it took 16 years for me to hit puberty.

But, I have faith that my religious teachings knows more than I do, and is directed by a being I do not understand.

[QUOTE="clayron"]

Science can not claim to know all the answers, LosDaddie

And "science" does not make that claim

I know :|

Not completely. Science has been wrong before. Oh, and the big bang theory is BS. It implies a creator.

Not completely. Science has been wrong before. Oh, and the big bang theory is BS. It implies a creator.

nalhutta94

yes, it's the only thing i trust

I can't see gravity, so how do I know it really exists? I don't trust science at all.

DigitalExile

...What? You need to go sit under some apple trees for a while...

If the "7 days" thing were absolutely, empirically disproved somehow, though, would it hinder your faith? I'd hope not; the particulars of religious allegory don't have a lot to do with the core of faith, IMO.xaos

Hinder my faith? No, I would still have a profound belief in God, which is unshakable.

I honestly would not know how to respond to such findings.

However, my core faith would remain in tact.

God creation > Jesus salvation > Me

Not completely. Science has been wrong before. Oh, and the big bang theory is BS. It implies a creator.

nalhutta94

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

The difference, however, is that science does not assert things for which it has no evidence. For example, science has not proposed an explanation as to the origin of life, as science does not have a well-supported explanation.

clayron

Tis True.

That's where the "faith" factor kicks in, well as far as the religious are concerned.

Most of us are not blind zealots as people often believe.

For me, its hard to believe that everything was created in seven days when it took 16 years for me to hit puberty.

But, I have faith that my religious teachings knows more than I do, and is directed by a being I do not understand.

Science and religion are both trying to find the same truth using different mediums. I know some people have got problem with this concept but still I believe religion drives people to discover more.

[QUOTE="nalhutta94"]

Not completely. Science has been wrong before. Oh, and the big bang theory is BS. It implies a creator.

Engrish_Major

the people that voted no in that pole like to think they're not totally screwed. the fact is though, global warming is melting more co2 out of glaciers, causing animals to fart more (which since methane is 20x more reflective than ozone to UV rays makes a huge ammount, almost as much as new york city and japan together) and burning forests, causing co2. we're pretty much screwed if global warming exists, however earth isn't, because once it gets too powerful it will completely block out the UV rays for a while, earth's temperature will plumet quickly, solidifying all the co2 and rebuilding the glaciers, we'll go through another ice age waiting for the water to melt (during which other ice will form over the frozen co2 at the ice caps, capturing part of it) and that will allow earth to start over at about the time humanity was first created. we'll evolve from fish again, since only the depths of the ocean will be at above 0 temperaures during the ice age, and the process repeats. i know because i found an Nvidia 12400GT graphics card in my back yard (not working) and THOSE DON"T EXIST YET!!!!!!! therefore history repeats over and over.

Science and religion are both trying to find the same truth using different mediums. I know some people have got problem with this concept but still I believe religion drives people to discover more.

Blubadox

money and beliefs and bias because of that science cannot be trustedmayforcebeyou

money and beliefs and bias because of that science cannot be trustedmayforcebeyou

Absolutely not. The reason is that the unregenerate scientist hates God and is completely biased against Him. Holy Writ states,

Are men at least seeking God?

• Psalm 10:4 - The wicked, in the haughtiness of his countenance, does not seek Him. All his thoughts are, "There is no God."
• John 3:20 - "For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed."
• Isaiah 65:1 - "I permitted Myself to be sought by those who did not ask for Me; I permitted Myself to be found by those who did not seek Me."
• Isaiah 64:7 - There is no one who calls on Your name, who arouses himself to take hold of You; for You have hidden Your face from us and have delivered us into the power of our iniquities.
• Romans 3:10-12 - "there is none who seeks for God"

What is the natural disposition of man toward God?

• John 3:20 - "For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed."
• Romans 8:7-8 - the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
• Colossians 1:21 - you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds
• James 4:4 - You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

Modern science hates the One True Perfect and Holy God. He is unable to be biased. It is his nature to hate God because he is born that way,

Are men at least born pure? What about the "tabula rasa"?

• Psalm 51:5 - Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me.
• Genesis 8:21 - the Lord said to Himself, "I will never again curse the ground on account of man, for the intent of man's heart is evil from his youth
• Psalm 58:3 - The wicked are estranged from the womb; those who speak lies go astray from birth.
  
• Isaiah 48:8 - "You have not heard, you have not known. Even from long ago your ear has not been open, because I knew that you would deal very treacherously; and you have been called a rebel from birth."
• John 3:6 - "That which is born of the flesh is flesh"

That is why I don't truth modern science. I'm not saying that good things can't come from science. But to trust what they say as fact is illogical.

maheo30

Just a quetion.

Do you memorize all those quote things? Or do you carry a bible everywhere? o.o