Do you really trust science?

I definitely disagree. Science, or at least the physical sciences, are about the mechanisms that govern the physical universe, period. I see religion as being about interior life and relations among people, and how one should live one's life. To me, there is almost no overlap, and when one tries to use religion to uncover naturalistic phenomena, the results tend to be as absurd as if you tried to use quantum mechanics for moral guidance.xaos

I agree. But religious witing/teaching is oft compared with scientific finding, and is often scrutinized for its deviations from scientific fact. While religious teaching/writing may act as a guiding light for morality it also makes claims that are not scientifically verifiable, and sometimes even scientifically impossible. How do you go about harmonizing the findings of science with the teaching of religion.

One example would be Moses' buring bush. Scientific fact that a bush will burn if caught fire, and can not talk while doing so.

Not completely. Science has been wrong before. Oh, and the big bang theory is BS. It implies a creator.

nalhutta94

[QUOTE="Blubadox"]

Science and religion are both trying to find the same truth using different mediums. I know some people have got problem with this concept but still I believe religion drives people to discover more.

xaos

Inspiration is higher than intelligence, if religion teaches you morality have you ever asked yourself why you should be moral? Why you shouldn't kill other if that makes you happy? You were taught not to steal when you were a kid...Why shouldn't you do it? Why should you be good? If that makes you happy? because you simply cannot- no scientist can give you the right answer for that unique behavior, there are somethings science cannot answer- religion tries to answer it.

[QUOTE="xaos"] I definitely disagree. Science, or at least the physical sciences, are about the mechanisms that govern the physical universe, period. I see religion as being about interior life and relations among people, and how one should live one's life. To me, there is almost no overlap, and when one tries to use religion to uncover naturalistic phenomena, the results tend to be as absurd as if you tried to use quantum mechanics for moral guidance.clayron

I agree. But religious witing/teaching is oft compared with scientific finding, and is often scrutinized for its deviations from scientific fact. While religious teaching/writing may act as a guiding light for morality it also makes claims that are not scientifically verifiable, and sometimes even scientifically impossible. How do you go about harmonizing the findings of science with the teaching of religion.

One example would be Moses' buring bush. Scientific fact that a bush will burn if caught fire, and can not talk while doing so.

Just a quetion.

Do you memorize all those quote things? Or do you carry a bible everywhere? o.o

darkguy_101

I have always hated when people quote scripture. Often the person quotes the bible without any supporting or previous quotes, so the person on the other end does not take the quote serious.

I am Christian, and when I have the bible quoted to me I ask, "What context was that said in? Why was it said? Who said it? And who were they talkin to? What bought about the conversation? What was happening?" Contet can change the meaning of a passage or quote.

Without answering, at least some of, those questions the person being attacked by scripture has no idea what the hell is going on, and as such refuses to hear the religious person's argument.

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="Blubadox"]

Science and religion are both trying to find the same truth using different mediums. I know some people have got problem with this concept but still I believe religion drives people to discover more.

Blubadox

Inspiration is higher than intelligence, if religion teaches you morality have you ever asked yourself why you should be moral? Why you shouldn't kill other if that makes you happy? You were taught not to steal when you were a kid...Why shouldn't you do it? Why should you be good? If that makes you happy? because you simply cannot- no scientist can give you the right answer for that unique behavior, there are somethings science cannot answer- religion tries to answer it.

For me, the resolution is to read miracles as allegory. Not to get too mystical or esoteric, but for me, something doesn't have to be factual to point at deeper truth. I feel like people who get hung up on whether or not everything happened exactly literally as described in a holy text are missing the forest for the trees. Similarly for rabid atheists who attack religious text on the same grounds.xaos

Makes sense.

On the whole i do because i aggre with the methods that scientists use to find evidence and present it. However i noticed that there was a poll up yesterday that was asking "Do you think globel warming is natural/man made" and even though the scientific concensus is fairly one sieded in the man made idea, most people were saying they dont believe this.

So decided to ask the bigger quesion, because we use science everyday but if people are unwilling to trust the same scientific community on bigger matters like globel warming do they trust science at all?

Please give a reason for your responce.

Wolls

I believe strongly in the scientific method. However, I think a lot of people have a poor understaning of that process and claim things to be facts when they are still a hypothesis or theory.

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="Blubadox"]

Science and religion are both trying to find the same truth using different mediums. I know some people have got problem with this concept but still I believe religion drives people to discover more.

Blubadox

Inspiration is higher than intelligence, if religion teaches you morality have you ever asked yourself why you should be moral? Why you shouldn't kill other if that makes you happy? You were taught not to steal when you were a kid...Why shouldn't you do it? Why should you be good? If that makes you happy? because you simply cannot- no scientist can give you the right answer for that unique behavior, there are somethings science cannot answer- religion tries to answer it.

Religion tries to answer it with completely arbitrary answers without any evidence. The reason why we don't kill and steal is because it's part of a human's altruist nature. Chimpanzees, gorillas and other primates behave the same way. The behaviour is part of who we are because it helps preserve and prolong our species by being altruistic.

You might as well ask why do ants or bees work so collectively? Why do primates help members of their own species instead of killing each other? It's just the behaviour of the species, humans are no different.

philosophy and science has questions that may never be answered, religion has ansawers that may never be questioned.

[QUOTE="Blubadox"]

[QUOTE="xaos"] I definitely disagree. Science, or at least the physical sciences, are about the mechanisms that govern the physical universe, period. I see religion as being about interior life and relations among people, and how one should live one's life. To me, there is almost no overlap, and when one tries to use religion to uncover naturalistic phenomena, the results tend to be as absurd as if you tried to use quantum mechanics for moral guidance.Trinners

Inspiration is higher than intelligence, if religion teaches you morality have you ever asked yourself why you should be moral? Why you shouldn't kill other if that makes you happy? You were taught not to steal when you were a kid...Why shouldn't you do it? Why should you be good? If that makes you happy? because you simply cannot- no scientist can give you the right answer for that unique behavior, there are somethings science cannot answer- religion tries to answer it.

Religion tries to answer it with completely arbitrary answers without any evidence. The reason why we don't kill and steal is because it's part of a human's altruist nature. Chimpanzees, gorillas and other primates behave the same way. The behaviour is part of who we are because it helps preserve and prolong our species by being altruistic.

You might as well ask why do ants or bees work so collectively? Why do primates help members of their own species instead of killing each other? It's just the behaviour of the species, humans are no different.

Relgion deals with behavioral nature of human beings, evidence is not necessary. A monkey evolving into an intelligent being capable of landing on the moon cannot be an accidental process, that which science cannot explain it is labled as superstition. People who are compelled to find answers find their own means of progress and reach different categorization of the same truth. Both have it's own pros and cons, believe me the guy that invented the nukes must be an atheist.

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[QUOTE="lol_haha_dead"] lol wut? Science cant even explain how earth became into exiestance. And dont give me the big bang theory... its bs.lol_haha_dead

But some guy creating it in 7 days isnt? :lol: That was too easy!

Relgion deals with behavioral nature of human beings, evidence is not necessary. A monkey evolving into an intelligent being capable of landing on the moon cannot be an accidental process

Blubadox

believe me the guy that invented the nukes must be an atheist.

Blubadox

[QUOTE="Blubadox"]

Relgion deals with behavioral nature of human beings, evidence is not necessary. A monkey evolving into an intelligent being capable of landing on the moon cannot be an accidental process

xaos

I don't come to any conclusions.....am not a religious person.

You can make up your own mind on this,for example:atoms or atomic theory was originally proposed by ancient philosphers in 1700 BC- they called it God. Now scientist have a different take on it.....you can even call it Quanta on high or whatever you like.

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="Blubadox"]

Relgion deals with behavioral nature of human beings, evidence is not necessary. A monkey evolving into an intelligent being capable of landing on the moon cannot be an accidental process

Blubadox

I don't come to any conclusions.....am not a religious person.

You can make up your own mind on this,for example:atoms or atomic theory was originally proposed by ancient philosphers in 1700 BC- they called it God. Now scientist have a different take on it.....you can even call it Quanta on high or whatever you like.

[QUOTE="Blubadox"]

[QUOTE="xaos"] What do you base this on? xaos

I don't come to any conclusions.....am not a religious person.

You can make up your own mind on this,for example:atoms or atomic theory was originally proposed by ancient philosphers in 1700 BC- they called it God. Now scientist have a different take on it.....you can even call it Quanta on high or whatever you like.

Oh I'm sorry...I'll make it very clear. I think religion and science are both the same thing...still progressing and incomplete.

It's ok if you disagree, i'm done with this thread.

One thing people have to remember: Science is not designed to attack religion, it is the discovery of the world around us.

I certainly trust science. It can be corrected if its proven wrong, it is never absolute. I prefer living in a house over living under a tent, but then again, a tent is the result of science.

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

[QUOTE="clayron"]

I do not understand. What do you mean?

xaos

What I meant was that Science is not anti-reiligion.

Science just operates differently because it doesn't rely on faith

Not completely. Science has been wrong before. Oh, and the big bang theory is BS. It implies a creator.

nalhutta94

[QUOTE="xaos"]Indeed; the supernatural is, by definition, outside the scope of what science is equipped to study.BumFluff122

[QUOTE="Trinners"]

[QUOTE="Blubadox"]

Inspiration is higher than intelligence, if religion teaches you morality have you ever asked yourself why you should be moral? Why you shouldn't kill other if that makes you happy? You were taught not to steal when you were a kid...Why shouldn't you do it? Why should you be good? If that makes you happy? because you simply cannot- no scientist can give you the right answer for that unique behavior, there are somethings science cannot answer- religion tries to answer it.

Blubadox

Religion tries to answer it with completely arbitrary answers without any evidence. The reason why we don't kill and steal is because it's part of a human's altruist nature. Chimpanzees, gorillas and other primates behave the same way. The behaviour is part of who we are because it helps preserve and prolong our species by being altruistic.

You might as well ask why do ants or bees work so collectively? Why do primates help members of their own species instead of killing each other? It's just the behaviour of the species, humans are no different.

Relgion deals with behavioral nature of human beings, evidence is not necessary. A monkey evolving into an intelligent being capable of landing on the moon cannot be an accidental process, that which science cannot explain it is labled as superstition. People who are compelled to find answers find their own means of progress and reach different categorization of the same truth. Both have it's own pros and cons, believe me the guy that invented the nukes must be an atheist.

what do you mean evidence is not necessary? religion is making these observations and claims about the nature of the universe all without any evidence. So unless religion can back up its claims, it will be dismissed as superstitious babble and nothing more.

Humanity's evolution from primates took millions of years of natural selection so that the size of our brains would enable us to achieve great things such as landing on the moon, There may or may not be a divine hand involved in our species or in the creation of the universe but since there is no evidence to support that claim/belief we will assume that there wasn't divine intervention unless proven otherwise.

[QUOTE="Wolls"]

See this is interesting because the reason i made this is because i wa sconfused about how many people dont trust the scientist when it comes to globel warming. I know this isnt entially accurate but judgeing from this and the topic on if globel warming is man made or natural, most of you trust science but not when it comes to bigger issues such as Co2 imitions causing globel warming.

aots_twilight

Try watching Al Gore's documentary: "An Inconvinient Truth". It might help.

I did right after i posted on the nature/man made topic lol

Only on basic things.

Is this topic still going on? MAN, and I thought the Dark Ages were over, lol.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="lol_haha_dead"] Why u shocked? Don't beleive in God brah?lol_haha_dead

I am very religious, yet I believe in both Science and God.

Not completely. Science has been wrong before. Oh, and the big bang theory is BS. It implies a creator.

nalhutta94

The Big Bang doesn't imply a creator, nor is it bull****. However, science in general does point to a creator.

If we figure out the position in the universe the Big Bang took place and how all the mechanics work behind it and (assuming that the Big Bang complies with "You can't get something out of nothing") then it's just going to say that this event took place and nothing else.

We can keep going back and back in time and find all sorts of neat stuff that took place before the Big Bang, but as long as those things comply with the world as we know it, they will NEVER EVER disprove God.

The creator is completely out of our comprehension and can do things that would make us say, "That's impossible". Think about it, how could all of this stuff just pop into existence? The only way we can prove that God doesn't exist is if we can find a way to get something out of nothing.

Certainly not to any great extent. Again and again Science has proved itself wrong with a bigger and better theory, only to have that replaced by yet another model. I'm relatively certain that in fifty years a large percent of what is held as fact today will have been disproved. Just look at our idea of the Atom, it's changed about six times. Head_of_games