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how is it not a choice...everyone has a braincee1gee
Because you don't choose who you are attracted to. You either are attracted to a woman, or a man.
That's the end of that.
[QUOTE="airshocker"]how is it not a choice...everyone has a brain Did you choose to be straight? Can you just as easily develop an attraction to someone of your own gender? I know I didn't choose to be straight, so I don't see how someone can choose to be gayThe amount of people who think it's a choice is really horrifying to behold, and I don't normally comment too much about homosexuality.
cee1gee
No, but for the record, neither is being shy. We need to end this discrimination against shy people who have been pushed around too long. When will they stand?
[spoiler] Seriously, why does anyone even have a problem with it? Like, Republicans are all about personal liberty but when it comes to gay people they want to clamp as many "regulations" (which I use loosely here) on them as possible. [/spoiler]
[QUOTE="-DirtySanchez-"]no, tho in the case of bi-sexual's i would say "yes its a choice to be gayFrame_DraggerGo on... well your bi-sexual your attracted to both so in that case i would consider whatever sexual partner they pick would be a choice be that a straight partner or gay partner again i dont believe homosexuality is a choice
"Man, I will totally be gay when I get out of my mom's vagina".
It's not a choice. It's "hardcoded" in the brain.
Otherwise they could just change when religious zealots bug the hell out of them. It's not that easy.
Its just as much a choice as those lazy people that roll around in wheelchairs, or the really lazy people that use a ventilator instead of their own lungs. >.>
What if they decided (on a whim) to make you suck their dick? :P On topic, no, I don't think it is.No, I don't think I could enjoy sucking someone's d!ck on a whim.
coolbeans90
No. Personally, I think h0mosexuality is caused by humans lacking the desire to reproduce - not to have offspring ofc, but just the sexual desire a straight man gets when he thinks of sex with a woman. So no, I don't think its a choice, but its not wrong to be gay either.DeX2010
The way people are condemning the very idea that it could even be a choice makes me think some people think it is wrong to be gay :?
This too... lets say it IS a choice... so the f*ck what? OK, two people choose something that harms no one... oh no!I don't know and I don't see any reason why I should care?
T_P_O
This too... lets say it IS a choice... so the f*ck what? OK, two people choose something that harms no one... oh no! I'm glad that at least one person on this forum sees what I'm getting at. ;-;7[QUOTE="T_P_O"]
I don't know and I don't see any reason why I should care?
Frame_Dragger
[QUOTE="DeX2010"]No. Personally, I think h0mosexuality is caused by humans lacking the desire to reproduce - not to have offspring ofc, but just the sexual desire a straight man gets when he thinks of sex with a woman. So no, I don't think its a choice, but its not wrong to be gay either.Ilovegames1992
The way people are condemning the very idea that it could even be a choice makes me think some people think it is wrong to be gay :?
Knowing why some people call it a choice though (to vilify it) is reason enough to oppose the idea sternly.Plus I'm sure many gay people have wished they were straight, so the subject of choice reasonably hits a nerve for some homosexuals.
[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]
[QUOTE="DeX2010"]No. Personally, I think h0mosexuality is caused by humans lacking the desire to reproduce - not to have offspring ofc, but just the sexual desire a straight man gets when he thinks of sex with a woman. So no, I don't think its a choice, but its not wrong to be gay either.Teenaged
The way people are condemning the very idea that it could even be a choice makes me think some people think it is wrong to be gay :?
Knowing why some people call it a choice though (to vilify it) is reason enough to oppose the idea sternly.Plus I'm sure many gay people have wished they were straight, so the subject of choice reasonably hits a nerve for some homosexuals.
Well i'm assuming a lot of people are just wondering whether it is a choice for innocent reasons, not under the agenda to vilify it. But i am kinda intrigued. What would happen if you nurtured a child to be gay Is it nature or nurture? If it is indeed nurture mainly, could you not overcome that and switch sexual alleigence? I dunno, it probably is just something in the brain but its interesting.
And surely gay people like being gay The same way straight people like being straight. From a purely sexual viewpoint, forget the stigma attached in certain parts of society.
[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"]This too... lets say it IS a choice... so the f*ck what? OK, two people choose something that harms no one... oh no! I'm glad that at least one person on this forum sees what I'm getting at. ;-;7 I know the feeling.[QUOTE="T_P_O"]
I don't know and I don't see any reason why I should care?
T_P_O
>false dichotomy of "either genetic or choice" To be fair, KC has never been known for his brilliant posts. :P[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]
Possibly. They haven't found a gay gene' or combination of genes yet.
Teenaged
>false dichotomy of "either genetic or choice"Homosexuality is either genetic or a lifestyle choice. And they haven't found any gay genes or set of gay genes yet. So that makes it possible that being gay is a choice. It's also possible its genetic and they haven't found those genes yet.[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]
Possibly. They haven't found a gay gene' or combination of genes yet.
Teenaged
[QUOTE="Teenaged"]>false dichotomy of "either genetic or choice"Homosexuality is either genetic or a lifestyle choice. And they haven't found any gay genes or set of gay genes yet. So that makes it possible that being gay is a choice. It's also possible its genetic and they haven't found those genes yet.[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]
Possibly. They haven't found a gay gene' or combination of genes yet.
KC_Hokie
No. What if you were brought up to be gay Thats neither genetic nor a choice.
[QUOTE="Teenaged"]>false dichotomy of "either genetic or choice"Homosexuality is either genetic or a lifestyle choice. And they haven't found any gay genes or set of gay genes yet. So that makes it possible that being gay is a choice. It's also possible its genetic and they haven't found those genes yet. Um, how does that address teenaged's concerns of a possible false dichotomy?[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]
Possibly. They haven't found a gay gene' or combination of genes yet.
KC_Hokie
[QUOTE="Teenaged"]>false dichotomy of "either genetic or choice"Homosexuality is either genetic or a lifestyle choice. And they haven't found any gay genes or set of gay genes yet. So that makes it possible that being gay is a choice. It's also possible its genetic and they haven't found those genes yet.[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]
Possibly. They haven't found a gay gene' or combination of genes yet.
KC_Hokie
I can assure that it is in no way, shape, or form a choice.
Homosexuality is either genetic or a lifestyle choice.Nope.Yes. They've found genes for almost everything...alcoholism, mental illness, medical susceptibility to certain illnesses, etc. but they haven't found a single gay gene or set of gay genes.[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]>false dichotomy of "either genetic or choice"
Teenaged
So that makes it possible that being gay is a choice.
Knowing why some people call it a choice though (to vilify it) is reason enough to oppose the idea sternly.[QUOTE="Teenaged"]
[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]
The way people are condemning the very idea that it could even be a choice makes me think some people think it is wrong to be gay :?
Ilovegames1992
Plus I'm sure many gay people have wished they were straight, so the subject of choice reasonably hits a nerve for some homosexuals.
Well i'm assuming a lot of people are just wondering whether it is a choice for innocent reasons, not under the agenda to vilify it. But i am kinda intrigued. What would happen if you nurtured a child to be gay Is it nature or nurture? If it is indeed nurture mainly, could you not overcome that and switch sexual alleigence? I dunno, it probably is just something in the brain but its interesting.
And surely gay people like being gay The same way straight people like being straight. From a purely sexual viewpoint, forget the stigma attached in certain parts of society.
I doubt that but anyway.How would you nurture it to be gay ?
Like straight parents usually nurture their kids to be straight? But we know that doesnt work and gay people end up being gay anyway, right? :P
If it was nurture I doubt it's anything simply like "straight upbringing" or gay upbringing".
Homosexuality is either genetic or a lifestyle choice. And they haven't found any gay genes or set of gay genes yet. So that makes it possible that being gay is a choice. It's also possible its genetic and they haven't found those genes yet.[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]>false dichotomy of "either genetic or choice"
Dark_Knight6
I can assure that it is in no way, shape, or form a choice.
The science doesn't support that notion...yet.Nope.Yes. They've found genes for almost everything...alcoholism, mental illness, medical susceptibility to certain illnesses, etc. but they haven't found a single gay gene or set of gay genes.[QUOTE="Teenaged"]
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Homosexuality is either genetic or a lifestyle choice.KC_Hokie
So that makes it possible that being gay is a choice.
No. You're an idiot.
Nope.Yes. They've found genes for almost everything...alcoholism, mental illness, medical susceptibility to certain illnesses, etc. but they haven't found a single gay gene or set of gay genes.[QUOTE="Teenaged"]
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Homosexuality is either genetic or a lifestyle choice.KC_Hokie
So that makes it possible that being gay is a choice.
Nope, the dichotomy you present is false. Just because they have found genes for many things, it doesnt mean that all traits are directly linked to a gene. Is that understood?[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Homosexuality is either genetic or a lifestyle choice. And they haven't found any gay genes or set of gay genes yet. So that makes it possible that being gay is a choice. It's also possible its genetic and they haven't found those genes yet.KC_Hokie
I can assure that it is in no way, shape, or form a choice.
The science doesn't support that notion...yet.Greetings, I am gay It's not a choice.
[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]
[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Knowing why some people call it a choice though (to vilify it) is reason enough to oppose the idea sternly.
Plus I'm sure many gay people have wished they were straight, so the subject of choice reasonably hits a nerve for some homosexuals.
Teenaged
Well i'm assuming a lot of people are just wondering whether it is a choice for innocent reasons, not under the agenda to vilify it. But i am kinda intrigued. What would happen if you nurtured a child to be gay Is it nature or nurture? If it is indeed nurture mainly, could you not overcome that and switch sexual alleigence? I dunno, it probably is just something in the brain but its interesting.
And surely gay people like being gay The same way straight people like being straight. From a purely sexual viewpoint, forget the stigma attached in certain parts of society.
I doubt that but anyway.How would you nurture it to be gay ?
Like straight parents usually nurture their kids to be straight? But we know that doesnt work and gay people end up being gay anyway, right? :P
If it was nurture I doubt it's anything simply like "straight upbringing" or gay upbringing".
Well a i hope it doesn't happen, but a gay couple raising a kid could intentionally and unintentionally raise a child gay In my opinion anyway.
Yes. They've found genes for almost everything...alcoholism, mental illness, medical susceptibility to certain illnesses, etc. but they haven't found a single gay gene or set of gay genes.[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]
[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Nope.
Dark_Knight6
So that makes it possible that being gay is a choice.
No. You're an idiot.
No it's a fact they haven't found a gay gene or sets of genes and yet have found hundreds of other genes and sets of genes.Nope. Determined by several things, but hormone exposure in the womb can cause it.
http://viewzone2.com/homosexual.html
[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Homosexuality is either genetic or a lifestyle choice. And they haven't found any gay genes or set of gay genes yet. So that makes it possible that being gay is a choice. It's also possible its genetic and they haven't found those genes yet.KC_Hokie
I can assure that it is in no way, shape, or form a choice.
The science doesn't support that notion...yet. Science doesnt officially support any notion about it...yet.[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Yes. They've found genes for almost everything...alcoholism, mental illness, medical susceptibility to certain illnesses, etc. but they haven't found a single gay gene or set of gay genes.
So that makes it possible that being gay is a choice.
KC_Hokie
No. You're an idiot.
No it's a fact they haven't found a gay gene or sets of genes and yet have found hundreds of other genes and sets of genes.That's not wh-man, you really are an idiot.
Yes. They've found genes for almost everything...alcoholism, mental illness, medical susceptibility to certain illnesses, etc. but they haven't found a single gay gene or set of gay genes.[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]
[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Nope.
Teenaged
So that makes it possible that being gay is a choice.
Nope, the dichotomy you present is false. Just because they have found genes for many things, it doesnt mean that all traits are directly linked to a gene. Is that understood?If something like sexuality isn't genetic then it's a choice. What is the other option?No it's a fact they haven't found a gay gene or sets of genes and yet have found hundreds of other genes and sets of genes.[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]
No. You're an idiot.
Dark_Knight6
That's not wh-man, you really are an idiot.
Which gay gene have they discovered then mr. genius?Its 2012. Everyone should know that nobody "chooses" their attraction. Gay people should be given all the same liberties/rights/whatever as everyone else. They don't. It is still a much tougher life if you are gay It's not fair. Old fashioned thinking needs to die off.
The science doesn't support that notion...yet. Science doesnt officially support any notion about it...yet.That is why I said it was possible from the start.[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]
I can assure that it is in no way, shape, or form a choice.
Teenaged
I doubt that but anyway.[QUOTE="Teenaged"]
[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]
Well i'm assuming a lot of people are just wondering whether it is a choice for innocent reasons, not under the agenda to vilify it. But i am kinda intrigued. What would happen if you nurtured a child to be gay Is it nature or nurture? If it is indeed nurture mainly, could you not overcome that and switch sexual alleigence? I dunno, it probably is just something in the brain but its interesting.
And surely gay people like being gay The same way straight people like being straight. From a purely sexual viewpoint, forget the stigma attached in certain parts of society.
Ilovegames1992
How would you nurture it to be gay ?
Like straight parents usually nurture their kids to be straight? But we know that doesnt work and gay people end up being gay anyway, right? :P
If it was nurture I doubt it's anything simply like "straight upbringing" or gay upbringing".
Well a i hope it doesn't happen, but a gay couple raising a kid could intentionally and unintentionally raise a child gay In my opinion anyway.
And I'm telling you: are all kids raised in heterosexual households straight?No.
Even if the kid of a gay couple ends up being gay after they have had some influence on him/her in that direction, I doubt it had to do with it. In my opinion, if it is nurture it is not as simple as saying that the norms that you were raised up to look up to or something similar is what affects your sexuality.
[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]No it's a fact they haven't found a gay gene or sets of genes and yet have found hundreds of other genes and sets of genes.KC_Hokie
That's not wh-man, you really are an idiot.
Which gay gene have they discovered then mr. genius?At no point was I implying that I found one. Please **** off immediately.
[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Nope, the dichotomy you present is false. Just because they have found genes for many things, it doesnt mean that all traits are directly linked to a gene. Is that understood?If something like sexuality isn't genetic then it's a choice. What is the other option?I've heard theories about the hormonal conditions while being in the mother's womb, which isnt genetic or a choice.[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Yes. They've found genes for almost everything...alcoholism, mental illness, medical susceptibility to certain illnesses, etc. but they haven't found a single gay gene or set of gay genes.
So that makes it possible that being gay is a choice.
KC_Hokie
It also could be the result of the complex interaction of many psychological factors, from the day someone is born till they become aware of their sexuality.
Which gay gene have they discovered then mr. genius?[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]
That's not wh-man, you really are an idiot.
Dark_Knight6
At no point was I implying that I found one. Please **** off immediately.
I make decisions based on facts. Based on science in this case. They haven't discovered a gay gene yet which means it's possible homosexuality is a choice. It's also possible it's not.If something like sexuality isn't genetic then it's a choice. What is the other option?I've heard theories about the hormonal conditions while being in the mother's womb, which isnt genetic or a choice.[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Nope, the dichotomy you present is false. Just because they have found genes for many things, it doesnt mean that all traits are directly linked to a gene. Is that understood?
Teenaged
It also could be the result of the complex interaction of many psychological factors, from the day someone is born till they become aware of their sexuality.
Both of those would effect your DNA and show up in genetic testing.Please Log In to post.
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