Do you think h0mosexuality is a choice?

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]I doubt that but anyway.

How would you nurture it to be gay ?

Like straight parents usually nurture their kids to be straight? But we know that doesnt work and gay people end up being gay anyway, right? :P

If it was nurture I doubt it's anything simply like "straight upbringing" or gay upbringing".

Teenaged

Well a i hope it doesn't happen, but a gay couple raising a kid could intentionally and unintentionally raise a child gay In my opinion anyway.

No.

Even if the kid of a gay couple ends up being gay after they have had some influence on him/her in that direction, I doubt it had to do with it. In my opinion, if it is nurture it is not as simple as saying that the norms that you were raised up to look up to or something similar is what affects your sexuality.

Of course not. But that doesnt necessarily mean nurture doesnt have a hand in it. I dunno, maybe it is purely nature. So i assume there's something different in their brain or something, or maybe it is genetic. Maybe EVERYONE has a gay gene in them but it only activates in some. Whatever, it doesn't matter.

>no gay gene found

>therefore being gay is a choice

This logic makes sense.

DroidPhysX

yes it is a choice..im sick of people saying they are born that way

cee1gee

People switch between straight and gay all the time so I think it isnt 100% "born that way"AdamPA1006

Homosexuality is either genetic or a lifestyle choice. And they haven't found any gay genes or set of gay genes yet. So that makes it possible that being gay is a choice. It's also possible its genetic and they haven't found those genes yet.Frame_Dragger

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Which gay gene have they discovered then mr. genius? KC_Hokie

At no point was I implying that I found one. Please **** off immediately.

No it's not. Any homosexual will tell you this.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

At no point was I implying that I found one. Please **** off immediately.

Dark_Knight6

No it's not. Any homosexual will tell you this.

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Which gay gene have they discovered then mr. genius? KC_Hokie

At no point was I implying that I found one. Please **** off immediately.

You guys are just trying to play Devil's Advocate. Being gay is not a choice. It's F*cking2012- I don't understand how anyone could still think this way. You can't choose your attraction...Gay people are not treated equally- and it is not fair. They should not be treated any differently than other people- and that's that.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]If something like sexuality isn't genetic then it's a choice. What is the other option?KC_Hokie

It also could be the result of the complex interaction of many psychological factors, from the day someone is born till they become aware of their sexuality.

Or are you just pulling facts off your ass?

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]I make decisions based on facts. Based on science in this case. They haven't discovered a gay gene yet which means it's possible homosexuality is a choice. It's also possible it's not. KC_Hokie

No it's not. Any homosexual will tell you this.

What does it being a choice or not have anything to do with gay rights...?

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

At no point was I implying that I found one. Please **** off immediately.

Shmiity

You guys are just trying to play Devil's Advocate. Being gay is not a choice. It's F*cking2012- I don't understand how anyone could still think this way. You can't choose your attraction...Gay people are not treated equally- and it is not fair. They should not be treated any differently than other people- and that's that.

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]I make decisions based on facts. Based on science in this case. They haven't discovered a gay gene yet which means it's possible homosexuality is a choice. It's also possible it's not. KC_Hokie

No it's not. Any homosexual will tell you this.

[QUOTE="DeX2010"]No. Personally, I think h0mosexuality is caused by humans lacking the desire to reproduce - not to have offspring ofc, but just the sexual desire a straight man gets when he thinks of sex with a woman. So no, I don't think its a choice, but its not wrong to be gay either.Ilovegames1992

The way people are condemning the very idea that it could even be a choice makes me think some people think it is wrong to be gay :?

Don't know, don't care.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

No it's not. Any homosexual will tell you this.

Ilovegames1992

What does it being a choice or not have anything to do with gay rights...?

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

No it's not. Any homosexual will tell you this.

T_P_O

Mind the intended audience.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

No it's not. Any homosexual will tell you this.

T_P_O

KC_Hokie, you're implying that millions of homosexuals are involved in some big conspiracy where they lie about choosing to be attracted to men. That implies they are actually heterosexuals who've suddenly decided to flick some switch in their brain to make them attracted to men and not women. DO you have that switch? Would you be able to do that? Do you see the complete lack of logic in what you're implying?JustBeYourself

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="DeX2010"]No. Personally, I think h0mosexuality is caused by humans lacking the desire to reproduce - not to have offspring ofc, but just the sexual desire a straight man gets when he thinks of sex with a woman. So no, I don't think its a choice, but its not wrong to be gay either.DeX2010

The way people are condemning the very idea that it could even be a choice makes me think some people think it is wrong to be gay :?

Well thats what i said earlier in the thread. A gay man chooses to have sex with males like a straight man chooses to have sex with females. There is always the choice to abstain from sex.

In that sense, i guess technically, being gay is a "choice" per se.

In terms of attraction, i mean there are many different theories aren't there? Could be any reason.

[QUOTE="Shmiity"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]I make decisions based on facts. Based on science in this case. They haven't discovered a gay gene yet which means it's possible homosexuality is a choice. It's also possible it's not. KC_Hokie

You guys are just trying to play Devil's Advocate. Being gay is not a choice. It's F*cking2012- I don't understand how anyone could still think this way. You can't choose your attraction...Gay people are not treated equally- and it is not fair. They should not be treated any differently than other people- and that's that.

I don't care what you wrote. You being straight puts no negative effects on your life, you are free to do whatever you want. Being gay means you are not treated as equal as other people, that's wrong. F*ck your facts- you know gay people live harder lives, why can't you just just be sensitive? "Scientific facts" my ass, just be a generous, sensitive, understanding human being. Everyone should be for gay rights. Why would you want to deny a human being basic liberties?

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]I want scientific facts before voting for stuff like gay rights. Saying 'take my word for it' isn't good enough for me. KC_Hokie

What does it being a choice or not have anything to do with gay rights...?

Why not?

No. I said it's possible that being gay is genetic but it's also possible it's a lifestyle choice. I don't have the answer.KC_Hokie

I don't care what you wrote. You being straight puts no negative effects on your life, you are free to do whatever you want. Being gay means you are not treated as equal as other people, that's wrong. F*ck your facts- you know gay people live harder lives, why can't you just just be sensitive? "Scientific facts" my ass, just be a generous, sensitive, understanding human being. Everyone should be for gay rights. Why would you want to deny a human being basic liberties?Shmiity

Well said, agreed

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Shmiity"]

You guys are just trying to play Devil's Advocate. Being gay is not a choice. It's F*cking2012- I don't understand how anyone could still think this way. You can't choose your attraction...Gay people are not treated equally- and it is not fair. They should not be treated any differently than other people- and that's that.

Shmiity

I don't care what you wrote. You being straight puts no negative effects on your life, you are free to do whatever you want. Being gay means you are not treated as equal as other people, that's wrong. F*ck your facts- you know gay people live harder lives, why can't you just just be sensitive? "Scientific facts" my ass, just be a generous, sensitive, understanding human being. Everyone should be for gay rights. Why would you want to deny a human being basic liberties?

[QUOTE="JustBeYourself"]KC_Hokie, you're implying that millions of homosexuals are involved in some big conspiracy where they lie about choosing to be attracted to men. That implies they are actually heterosexuals who've suddenly decided to flick some switch in their brain to make them attracted to men and not women. DO you have that switch? Would you be able to do that? Do you see the complete lack of logic in what you're implying?KC_Hokie

Gay genes or set of genes linked to being gay Like I said earlier they've found hundreds of genes for certain things.KC_Hokie

We don't grant right based on behavior. Being gay hasn't been scientific proven so that leaves open the door that it's behavior based. Until it's proven that being gay isn't a choice I'm not in favor of granting right to a group that could be behavior based.KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="JustBeYourself"]KC_Hokie, you're implying that millions of homosexuals are involved in some big conspiracy where they lie about choosing to be attracted to men. That implies they are actually heterosexuals who've suddenly decided to flick some switch in their brain to make them attracted to men and not women. DO you have that switch? Would you be able to do that? Do you see the complete lack of logic in what you're implying?Teenaged

You have millions of people saying it is NOT a choice. How can that be enough for you? Why on earth are you so hung up about it being genetic? Regardless of what causes it - genetics or environmental effects during early childhood - the fact of the matter is gay people do not consciously choose to be attracted to the same sex any more than you consciously choose to be attracted to the same sex. Are you 12 or something!?JustBeYourself

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]No. I said it's possible that being gay is genetic but it's also possible it's a lifestyle choice. I don't have the answer.KC_Hokie

I see no proof. Do you have any?

[QUOTE="Shmiity"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Did you even read what I wrote. I said it's possible either way but I want scientific facts before I make decisions. KC_Hokie

I don't care what you wrote. You being straight puts no negative effects on your life, you are free to do whatever you want. Being gay means you are not treated as equal as other people, that's wrong. F*ck your facts- you know gay people live harder lives, why can't you just just be sensitive? "Scientific facts" my ass, just be a generous, sensitive, understanding human being. Everyone should be for gay rights. Why would you want to deny a human being basic liberties?

Im giving this user a -10 on moral values. Gay people should be given the same rights as everyone else, and its 2012- so I consider every arguement against gay rights invalid. People who are against gay rights are either old fashioned thinkers who need to die off, or young people brought up wrong. Just be a good human being, and let everyone be equal. Anything else is stupid

Prove it with science and medicine then. Until then homosexuality is possibly a choice.KC_Hokie

]Prove it with science and medicine then. Until then homosexuality is possibly a choice.KC_Hokie

I don't think homosexuality is a choice.... but even if it was, what exactly is your problem with it?

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Shmiity"]

I don't care what you wrote. You being straight puts no negative effects on your life, you are free to do whatever you want. Being gay means you are not treated as equal as other people, that's wrong. F*ck your facts- you know gay people live harder lives, why can't you just just be sensitive? "Scientific facts" my ass, just be a generous, sensitive, understanding human being. Everyone should be for gay rights. Why would you want to deny a human being basic liberties?

Shmiity

Im giving this user a -10 on moral values. Gay people should be given the same rights as everyone else, and its 2012- so I consider every arguement against gay rights invalid. People who are against gay rights are either old fashioned thinkers who need to die off, or young people brought up wrong. Just be a good human being, and let everyone be equal. Anything else is stupid

No it's a fact they haven't found a gay gene or sets of genes and yet have found hundreds of other genes and sets of genes.KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Prove it with science and medicine then. Until then homosexuality is possibly a choice.JustBeYourself

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]No it's a fact they haven't found a gay gene or sets of genes and yet have found hundreds of other genes and sets of genes.scorch-62

[QUOTE="JustBeYourself"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Prove it with science and medicine then. Until then homosexuality is possibly a choice.KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]]Prove it with science and medicine then. Until then homosexuality is possibly a choice.Just-Breathe

I don't think homosexuality is a choice.... but even if it was, what exactly is your problem with it?

[QUOTE="Just-Breathe"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]]Prove it with science and medicine then. Until then homosexuality is possibly a choice.KC_Hokie

I don't think homosexuality is a choice.... but even if it was, what exactly is your problem with it?

What? Why not?

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="JustBeYourself"] So it basically comes down to this. You are accusing the gay community of all being liars. Great, shows what a nutjob you are.Teenaged

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Just-Breathe"]

I don't think homosexuality is a choice.... but even if it was, what exactly is your problem with it?

Ilovegames1992

What? Why not?

[QUOTE="Just-Breathe"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]]Prove it with science and medicine then. Until then homosexuality is possibly a choice.KC_Hokie

I don't think homosexuality is a choice.... but even if it was, what exactly is your problem with it?

Why would that necessitate any difference in our conduct to these people? T_P_O

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]I make decisions based on science/medicine not on religion or anything.KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="Shmiity"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]We don't grant right based on behavior. Being gay hasn't been scientific proven so that leaves open the door that it's behavior based. Until it's proven that being gay isn't a choice I'm not in favor of granting right to a group that could be behavior based.KC_Hokie

Im giving this user a -10 on moral values. Gay people should be given the same rights as everyone else, and its 2012- so I consider every arguement against gay rights invalid. People who are against gay rights are either old fashioned thinkers who need to die off, or young people brought up wrong. Just be a good human being, and let everyone be equal. Anything else is stupid

Are you like 12? Can you just go with your heart, and make your decisions through feeling? "I want facts, I want facts, I want facts". Kids are being bullied everyday for being gay and you hear all the time on the news how some even take their own lives... That doesn't compel you to want to make a difference?People are being killed for this sh*t- worldwide. Gay people can't even legally marry their partners- that doesn't touch you at all?Like are you just a brick wall or something?

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Just-Breathe"]

I don't think homosexuality is a choice.... but even if it was, what exactly is your problem with it?

Teenaged

I have no problem with it. I just don't believe in granting rights to any group based on behavior.

KC_Hokie

So you support the equal rights of homosexuals, right?

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]I have no problem with it. I just don't believe in granting rights to any group based on behavior. KC_Hokie

Read the post of yours I responded to. You werent asking for proof about homosexuality not being a choice.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="Shmiity"]

Im giving this user a -10 on moral values. Gay people should be given the same rights as everyone else, and its 2012- so I consider every arguement against gay rights invalid. People who are against gay rights are either old fashioned thinkers who need to die off, or young people brought up wrong. Just be a good human being, and let everyone be equal. Anything else is stupid

Shmiity

Are you like 12? Can you just go with your heart, and make your decisions through feeling? "I want facts, I want facts, I want facts". Kids are being bullied everyday for being gay and you hear all the time on the news how some even take their own lives... That doesn't compel you to want to make a difference? Being are being killed for this sh*t- worldwide. Gay people can't even legally marry their partners- that doesn't touch you at all?Like are you just a brick wall or something?

I make decisions based on science/medicine not on religion or anything.KC_Hokie