Do you think the father should have a choice whether a women has an abortion.

Say the women doesn't want to have the baby, but the man does. Should it ultimatly be the womens choice or should the man have a say.

It's her body, it's her choice in the end of it all so no he should not have even a portion of control over someone elses body, he can share his opinion with her but she has the righ to dissagreebut not be allowed to choose for her.

I believe ultimatly the man should have a say, but he can't control it.

It's wrong either way, but it's the man's child, too.

Only if he decides to carry it in his stomach for a while.

I definitely think that the man should have at least a say. His opinion should be heard and considered, because after all, there wouldn't be a baby in the first place if he weren't involved. It's potentially his responsibility as well. I get tired of people saying that only the woman should have a say. Yes, it's her body and yes, she'll be the one to potentially give birth, but the father deserves a say as well.t3hrubikscube

Yes since he may want the baby if she doesn't.

i think the man should be able to say what he thinks to the woman, but in the end, its the womans body, and end all - her choice what she is going to do.nimatoad2000

He should be given a chance to debate it. But it's not a 50-50 decision, the girl's vote is a little heavier.Hungry_bunny

Say the women doesn't want to have the baby, but the man does. Should it ultimatly be the womens choice or should the man have a say.

Mercenary848

again, I ask, what is "a say?" It's empty language. Ultimately, one vote, the woman's or the father's, has to have supreme authority. Giving that to the father is just absurd, while giving that to the woman means we're right back at square one, with the man not having "a say." "A say" doesn't mean jack. Someone has to have final authority.Paladin_King

I'd say that in the end it is the women who has the final say no matter what no should have the power to control another human being.

[QUOTE="t3hrubikscube"]I definitely think that the man should have at least a say. His opinion should be heard and considered, because after all, there wouldn't be a baby in the first place if he weren't involved. It's potentially his responsibility as well. I get tired of people saying that only the woman should have a say. Yes, it's her body and yes, she'll be the one to potentially give birth, but the father deserves a say as well.Paladin_King

Let's be clear - there is life from the moment of conception. This is regarded as fact by virtually everyone, scientists, religious zealots, and everyone in between. The tired old "its her body" argument is utterly ridiculous, and it is really just a method for people to fool themselves into thinking an abortion is nicer than it really is. The embryo, fetus, and baby are not, nor are they ever "her body."

Lets Think Outside the Box and contemplate the opposite. What if the woman wants to keep the baby, and the father does not? Let us then suppose that at any point during the pregnancy he decides to rid her of this part of "her body." He could use various sorts of trauma to cause a miscarriage, and would be guilty of what? I'm sure any DA worth their salt would charge first degree murder to begin with.

Having said all that, a man should have no legal say in the matter of abortion.

Let's be clear - there is life from the moment of conception. This is regarded as fact by virtually everyone, scientists, religious zealots, and everyone in between. The tired old "its her body" argument is utterly ridiculous, and it is really just a method for people to fool themselves into thinking an abortion is nicer than it really is. The embryo, fetus, and baby are not, nor are they ever "her body."Valamil

[QUOTE="Valamil"]

Let's be clear - there is life from the moment of conception. This is regarded as fact by virtually everyone, scientists, religious zealots, and everyone in between. The tired old "its her body" argument is utterly ridiculous, and it is really just a method for people to fool themselves into thinking an abortion is nicer than it really is. The embryo, fetus, and baby are not, nor are they ever "her body."-Sun_Tzu-

I agree with sun_tzu.

I am wondering who this "everyone" is? I mean the law seems to be sure that it doesn't happen until the second trimester right...

[QUOTE="Paladin_King"][QUOTE="t3hrubikscube"]I definitely think that the man should have at least a say. His opinion should be heard and considered, because after all, there wouldn't be a baby in the first place if he weren't involved. It's potentially his responsibility as well. I get tired of people saying that only the woman should have a say. Yes, it's her body and yes, she'll be the one to potentially give birth, but the father deserves a say as well.t3hrubikscube

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="Valamil"]

Let's be clear - there is life from the moment of conception. This is regarded as fact by virtually everyone, scientists, religious zealots, and everyone in between. The tired old "its her body" argument is utterly ridiculous, and it is really just a method for people to fool themselves into thinking an abortion is nicer than it really is. The embryo, fetus, and baby are not, nor are they ever "her body."

I am wondering who this "everyone" is? I mean the law seems to be sure that it doesn't happen until the second trimester right...

[QUOTE="Valamil"]

Let's be clear - there is life from the moment of conception. This is regarded as fact by virtually everyone, scientists, religious zealots, and everyone in between. The tired old "its her body" argument is utterly ridiculous, and it is really just a method for people to fool themselves into thinking an abortion is nicer than it really is. The embryo, fetus, and baby are not, nor are they ever "her body."-Sun_Tzu-

In my opinion, this is equivalent to saying that parents can abandon their children whenever they want, if they decide it is no longer their wish to care for them. They no longer give their "consent" to provide for the child's needs.

50% of the father's DNA.
50% of the father's involvement in the creation.
50% of the father's responsibility to raise the child if it is born.

And yet most of the time the father gets no choice in the matter.

[QUOTE="Paladin_King"] Not just that, but there seems to be a bit of a conflation here of "life" in the general sense with specific "human life." *sigh* and so the thread predictably degenerates into yet another pro-life vs pro-choice, 100 page thread of doom. Great.-Sun_Tzu-

50% of the father's DNA.
50% of the father's involvement in the creation.
50% of the father's responsibility to raise the child if it is born.

And yet most of the time the father gets no choice in the matter.

foxhound_fox

Again, how would this "choice" be practically applied?

I agree with you, but I just don't see how this could be enforced. One side gets the final say, and that final say, through its very nature, is 100% of the say. The problem also is that while it's 50% in all the things you listed, it certainly isn't 50% in the actual pregnancy and delivery process, which is what tips it in the woman's favour, imo, which GIVES her the final say. Don't get me wrong, I know where you're coming from...it's just that it's impossible.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="Valamil"]

Let's be clear - there is life from the moment of conception. This is regarded as fact by virtually everyone, scientists, religious zealots, and everyone in between. The tired old "its her body" argument is utterly ridiculous, and it is really just a method for people to fool themselves into thinking an abortion is nicer than it really is. The embryo, fetus, and baby are not, nor are they ever "her body."Valamil

In my opinion, this is equivalent to saying that parents can abandon their children whenever they want, if they decide it is no longer their wish to care for them. They no longer give their "consent" to provide for the child's needs.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="Valamil"]

Let's be clear - there is life from the moment of conception. This is regarded as fact by virtually everyone, scientists, religious zealots, and everyone in between. The tired old "its her body" argument is utterly ridiculous, and it is really just a method for people to fool themselves into thinking an abortion is nicer than it really is. The embryo, fetus, and baby are not, nor are they ever "her body."Valamil

In my opinion, this is equivalent to saying that parents can abandon their children whenever they want, if they decide it is no longer their wish to care for them. They no longer give their "consent" to provide for the child's needs.

well legally we tell parents it is ok to abandon their children whenever they want as long as they are ok with giving their children up. as a society we make it easier for parents to abandon their children and in most cases it is good since the aprent is sure they are not fit to be a parent.

Not another abortion thread:roll:

The man should have a say. Although it wouldn't matter because the woman would just slap him in the face and do it anyway.

[QUOTE="Valamil"]

Let's be clear - there is life from the moment of conception. This is regarded as fact by virtually everyone, scientists, religious zealots, and everyone in between. The tired old "its her body" argument is utterly ridiculous, and it is really just a method for people to fool themselves into thinking an abortion is nicer than it really is. The embryo, fetus, and baby are not, nor are they ever "her body."-Sun_Tzu-

i think the man should be able to say what he thinks to the woman, but in the end, its the womans body, and end all - her choice what she is going to do.nimatoad2000

I really hope something could be worked out in this type of situation, but ultimately it's up to the woman IMO.btaylor2404

yeah I think most people agree it would be nice to have a way to work it out for both but I guess all we can do is hope maybe science can come up with something maybe...but do we want that either...hmmm

Absolutely, It's 50% his. Last time I check a woman needs a man to have a child. There should be a consensus between both individuals. I don't agree with abortion either way, but this isn't about whether it should be legal or not, just whether the Father should have a say about his own child.

I definitely think that the man should have at least a say. His opinion should be heard and considered, because after all, there wouldn't be a baby in the first place if he weren't involved. It's potentially his responsibility as well. I get tired of people saying that only the woman should have a say. Yes, it's her body and yes, she'll be the one to potentially give birth, but the father deserves a say as well.t3hrubikscube

On the other foot, if he didn't want the baby and she did, he'd have to pay child support because it takes two to tango. So the woman shouldn't always get the upper hand in these matters. Yes, men can't have babies, but that's not our fault, it's also not our fault that some women don't know how to use their own forms of contraception.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="Valamil"]

Let's be clear - there is life from the moment of conception. This is regarded as fact by virtually everyone, scientists, religious zealots, and everyone in between. The tired old "its her body" argument is utterly ridiculous, and it is really just a method for people to fool themselves into thinking an abortion is nicer than it really is. The embryo, fetus, and baby are not, nor are they ever "her body."thepwninator

Absolutely, It's 50% his. Last time I check a woman needs a man to have a child. There should be a consensus between both individuals. ferrari2001

[QUOTE="Valamil"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] No one has the right to use someone's body if that someone does not consent to their body being used by another person.

-Sun_Tzu-

In my opinion, this is equivalent to saying that parents can abandon their children whenever they want, if they decide it is no longer their wish to care for them. They no longer give their "consent" to provide for the child's needs.

It is called responsibility. If a mother has no access to baby formula, such as in sub-Saharan Africa or other pverty stricken areas, she must feed her baby by breast-feeding. That baby, the born child, is dependent on its mother's body. If she chooses not to feed it, she is guilty of a crime in our society. Your argument holds little water, again, In My Opinion. Also, my answer to the TC was, No, the man should have no choice in the abortion.

Again, how would this "choice" be practically applied?

I agree with you, but I just don't see how this could be enforced. One side gets the final say, and that final say, through its very nature, is 100% of the say. The problem also is that while it's 50% in all the things you listed, it certainly isn't 50% in the actual pregnancy and delivery process, which is what tips it in the woman's favour, imo, which GIVES her the final say. Don't get me wrong, I know where you're coming from...it's just that it's impossible.

Paladin_King

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]Absolutely, It's 50% his. Last time I check a woman needs a man to have a child. There should be a consensus between both individuals. Vandalvideo

50% of the father's DNA.
50% of the father's involvement in the creation.
50% of the father's responsibility to raise the child if it is born.

And yet most of the time the father gets no choice in the matter.

foxhound_fox