Do you think U.S media brainwashes people against Muslims?

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[QUOTE="MannyDelgado"]Why is necessarily bad to be bigoted against an entire group of people? Aren't you bigoted against misogynists, for example? By the way, word meanings do not always follow their etymological roots, Einstein.toast_burner

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[QUOTE="MannyDelgado"]What? No. What an enormously stupid thing to say.MannyDelgado

[QUOTE="MannyDelgado"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Then wouldn't it be "enormously stupid" to declare the adherents of the Quran as following a vile book?

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="MannyDelgado"]Er, no? Do you honestly think that 'being all about violence' is a necessary condition in order for a book to be vile?MannyDelgado

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Well what do you consider vile? Wouldn't that be subjective? And I've seen various different interpretations over text in the Muslim community....so why paint all Muslims as being the exact same and worth your contempt? Personally I find people that hate others because they are different to be the most contemptible....but that is my opinion. I don't expect everyone to agree with me. But the world would be nicer if they did.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="MannyDelgado"]I have already stated what I find objectionable about the Quran; please try to keep up

MannyDelgado

[QUOTE="MannyDelgado"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Right...your interpretations. Tell me....how long did you study the book and did you have any assistance in your endeavors?LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I don't like many of the more archaic practices that happen under the Islam religion. Why should that mean I have to be against different groups that don't practice stoning of flogging?

LJS9502_basic

Christianity was responsible for the murder of thousands (if not millions) of Native Americans all throughout North and South America.

Christianity justified slavery and racial segregation for hundreds of years within the USA.

It can't be that great a religion if all kinds of atrocities occurred "under the good name of Christianity."

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Any country that adopts Hinduism is a severely limited country, as the religion dictates that a poor man could never become anything else except a poor man.

It's completely ludicrous considering that we live in a 21st century society.

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What I'm saying is that you can't ignore the flaws of lots of religions just because Islam justifies archaic practices.

If you're going to condemn one religion, you have to condemn all of the infringing ones.

I will admit I don't know much about Hinduism but the problem tends more to be when a government is run by religious ideologies rather than the religion itself. So I'd guess that argument fails as wells. But like I said I haven't really studied too in depth Hinduism.

I'm pretty sure that the Puritans had a compulsive desire to "cleanse" the "infidels" because they weren't following the Lord God's word.

Weren't the Native Americans considered heathens because they weren't Christians?

We didn't have to wipe them out.

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Governments were run on Christian teachings for thousands of years.

In Europe the Catholic Church had tremendous power.

"Religious ideologies" and "religion" are the same thing.

If you massacre a society in the name of Christianity, you're doing it because the original texts can be interpreted in a way that justifies your cause.

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[QUOTE="MannyDelgado"]Do you find Mein Kampf objectionable? If so, did you study it at length? Okay, then in that case one does not necessarily need to study a book in depth in order to object to it.MannyDelgado

[QUOTE="MannyDelgado"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I've never read it so no opinion. But you didn't answer my questions. Just dodged them.

LJS9502_basic

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[QUOTE="peterw007"]

Christianity was responsible for the murder of thousands (if not millions) of Native Americans all throughout North and South America.

Christianity justified slavery and racial segregation for hundreds of years within the USA.

It can't be that great a religion if all kinds of atrocities occurred "under the good name of Christianity."

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Any country that adopts Hinduism is a severely limited country, as the religion dictates that a poor man could never become anything else except a poor man.

It's completely ludicrous considering that we live in a 21st century society.

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What I'm saying is that you can't ignore the flaws of lots of religions just because Islam justifies archaic practices.

If you're going to condemn one religion, you have to condemn all of the infringing ones.

peterw007

I will admit I don't know much about Hinduism but the problem tends more to be when a government is run by religious ideologies rather than the religion itself. So I'd guess that argument fails as wells. But like I said I haven't really studied too in depth Hinduism.

I'm pretty sure that the Puritans had a compulsive desire to "cleanse" the "infidels" because they weren't following the Lord God's word.

Weren't the Native Americans considered heathens because they weren't Christians?

We didn't have to wipe them out.

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Governments were run on Christian teachings for thousands of years.

In Europe the Catholic Church had tremendous power.

"Religious ideologies" and "religion" are the same thing.

If you massacre a society in the name of Christianity, you're doing it because the original texts can be interpreted in a way that justifies your cause.

Ah political intrigue. Yes it existed in the church as well. However, that was long ago and not germaine to today's world. If you want to fling history around...as I said there is NOT ONE INNOCENT GROUP in history. So it's pointless to continue on. We can all agree the world didn't become what it is today by having friends over for tea. What we're talking about is today. Let's work from there.

FYI though...sometimes kings DID tie the hands of the Pope with threats so that the church didn't ask. It worked both ways.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="MannyDelgado"]Congratulations, you missed my point completely. The point is, it is irrelevant that I haven't studied the Quran in-depth. The book states explicitly that men are superior to women, for f*ck's sake. What more do you want?MannyDelgado

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] No I didn't miss your point. You don't know much about the teachings in the Quran but you don't want to admit that so you tried to change the subject. It was an easy dodge to see through. Men are superior to women is what bothers you? Well that still goes on today in "civilized" countries it's just more secret. But the idea is there. As Muslims move out of the ME they will in time be westernized. And that, too, will change.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="MannyDelgado"]...what the hell are you on about? Do you or do you not find the Quranic claim that men are superior to women objectionable?

MannyDelgado

Media is used to brainwash everywhere. Here is America we have the Enemy of the month Club. The Muslims have become the latest victim of this club.

Simply answers to the question... yes, definitely.

Most of people living there can't see that...
And that's sad.

Simply answers to the question... yes, definitely.

Most of people living there can't see that...
And that's sad.

Matthew-first

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Simply answers to the question... yes, definitely.

Most of people living there can't see that...
And that's sad.

LJS9502_basic

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[QUOTE="Matthew-first"]

Simply answers to the question... yes, definitely.

Most of people living there can't see that...
And that's sad.

Matthew-first

We have various media outlets that do push their own agenda but that agenda is not the same agenda. How many different points of view do you think you get?

Not even close, the question is: Do Muslims brainwashes people against the U.S.?

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] US is no different than other countries........including yours.

LJS9502_basic

We have various media outlets that do push their own agenda but that agenda is not the same agenda. How many different points of view do you think you get?

Irony? :lol: ...naah. :D

Christianity was responsible for the murder of thousands (if not millions) of Native Americans all throughout North and South America.

peterw007

The next thing that you'll be telling us, is that Christianity is behind the JFK assassination, and it will be equality absurd.

Sweet jesus, did you ever think about on what you're writing?

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Umm... that is called ignorance I think. ;)
I know my country sucks a lot in governing it, but people here know that the Government is bullcrap and a lot just went abroad. (don't worry not to US )
Yet What (actually a lot of people here and there from Europe) think that your are blindly following yours.

Srry to say that.

Matthew-first

We have various media outlets that do push their own agenda but that agenda is not the same agenda. How many different points of view do you think you get?

Irony? :lol: ...naah. :D

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[QUOTE="MannyDelgado"]Do you find Mein Kampf objectionable? If so, did you study it at length? Okay, then in that case one does not necessarily need to study a book in depth in order to object to it.MannyDelgado

This topic is still going on. Anyhow I want to show a picture I stumbled accross today. This is what they don't show you in western media. Those are unarmed civilians, a school, residential building and a hospital in GAZA.

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[QUOTE="peterw007"]

Christianity was responsible for the murder of thousands (if not millions) of Native Americans all throughout North and South America.

Christianity justified slavery and racial segregation for hundreds of years within the USA.

It can't be that great a religion if all kinds of atrocities occurred "under the good name of Christianity."

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Any country that adopts Hinduism is a severely limited country, as the religion dictates that a poor man could never become anything else except a poor man.

It's completely ludicrous considering that we live in a 21st century society.

-

What I'm saying is that you can't ignore the flaws of lots of religions just because Islam justifies archaic practices.

If you're going to condemn one religion, you have to condemn all of the infringing ones.

peterw007

I will admit I don't know much about Hinduism but the problem tends more to be when a government is run by religious ideologies rather than the religion itself. So I'd guess that argument fails as wells. But like I said I haven't really studied too in depth Hinduism.

I'm pretty sure that the Puritans had a compulsive desire to "cleanse" the "infidels" because they weren't following the Lord God's word.

Weren't the Native Americans considered heathens because they weren't Christians?

We didn't have to wipe them out.

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Governments were run on Christian teachings for thousands of years.

In Europe the Catholic Church had tremendous power.

"Religious ideologies" and "religion" are the same thing.

If you massacre a society in the name of Christianity, you're doing it because the original texts can be interpreted in a way that justifies your cause.

So christians doing bad things in the past make them comparable to muslims doing horrible things all over the world right now? In the 21st Century?

Every group has its "bad apples" (and its bad times), but only the religion of Islam has currently spread a wave of terrorism and Chaos to every concievable part of theworld, including the U.S. since September 11, 2001.

[QUOTE="MannyDelgado"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I've never read it so no opinion. But you didn't answer my questions. Just dodged them.

Nayef_shroof

Men are managers of the affairs of women because Allah has made the one superior to the other. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 329)

So christians doing bad things in the past make them comparable to muslims doing horrible things all over the world right now? In the 21st Century?

Every group has its "bad apples", but only the religion of Islam has spread a wave of terrorism and Chaos to every concievable part of theworld, including the U.S. since September 11, 2001.

Stalkerfieldsis

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How is anti-homosexual and anti abortion bad, I mean how really, what does society gain from killing babies and homosexuality. And how is religion in general anti-equal rights? Maybe radical Islam, but then you would be making the stupid mistake of Radical Religion=all religion.

tenaka2

Sir, your time machine is ready to return you to the 1950's, if you would please follow me.

Still haven't answered my question, snarky comments don't count. What does 2 men/women having sex, or people denying unborn children the right to live do to help society?

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So christians doing bad things in the past make them comparable to muslims doing horrible things all over the world right now? In the 21st Century?

Every group has its "bad apples", but only the religion of Islam has spread a wave of terrorism and Chaos to every concievable part of theworld, including the U.S. since September 11, 2001.

t0taldj

Well when the 'bad apples' of a certain group seem to be everywhere and affecting everything negatively, it warrants exceptional attention.

Well when the 'bad apples' of a certain group seem to be everywhere and affecting everything negatively, it warrants exceptional attention.

Stalkerfieldsis

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"][QUOTE="MannyDelgado"]Congratulations, you missed my point completely. The point is, it is irrelevant that I haven't studied the Quran in-depth. The book states explicitly that men are superior to women, for f*ck's sake. What more do you want?Stalkerfieldsis

Men are managers of the affairs of women because Allah has made the one superior to the other. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 329)

:lol: First, that isn't Quran, thats called a hadith (The sayings/actions of the prophet Muhammad). Secondly, hadiths are graded based on authenticity/reliability from various sources, and that hadith (and source) has been deemed extrmely unreliable by muslim scholars, and isn't considered proper (Not to mention it directly contradicts what the quran states regardng the equality of men and women)

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They are trying to brainwash the people, it's obvious they are trying to portray almost all middle eastern natives and muslims as outright terrorists, every single one of them. And most Americans are ignorant enough to believe it. It's all propaganda for a quick cash grab from countries the U.S otherwise couldn't interfere with legally.

leeveeu

You don't need to go for the middle-east for that.

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[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"] Frankly, your the ignorant fool who just admitted you haven't even studied the Quran properly, yet spread misinformation about what Islam teaches...The Quran obviously does not state that men are superior to women (Etc, etc). I'm assuming you're another bigoted European who is "fed up" with muslim immigrants settling in your country, "causing all the problems" right?Nayef_shroof

Men are managers of the affairs of women because Allah has made the one superior to the other. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 329)

:lol: First, that isn't Quran, thats called a hadith (The sayings/actions of the prophet Muhammad). Secondly, hadiths are graded based on authenticity/reliability from various sources, and that hadith (and source) has been deemed extrmely unreliable by muslim scholars, and isn't considered proper (Not to mention it directly contradicts what the quran states regardng the equality of men and women)

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[QUOTE="peterw007"]

It's double standards.

There are severe problems with lots of religions.

If you are anti-Muslim, you should be anti-Christian and anti-Hinduist as well.

peterw007

Christianity was responsible for the murder of thousands (if not millions) of Native Americans all throughout North and South America.

Christianity justified slavery and racial segregation for hundreds of years within the USA.

It can't be that great a religion if all kinds of atrocities occurred "under the good name of Christianity."

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Any country that adopts Hinduism is a severely limited country, as the religion dictates that a poor man could never become anything else except a poor man, and that rich men can only be rich men because they were born that way.

It's completely ludicrous considering that we live in a 21st century society.

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What I'm saying is that you can't ignore the flaws of lots of religions just because Islam justifies archaic practices.

If you're going to condemn one religion, you have to condemn all of the infringing ones.

OnChristianity, don't forget the Inquisition, responsible for the torture of many people in Spain, Portugal and other places.

[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"] Frankly, your the ignorant fool who just admitted you haven't even studied the Quran properly, yet spread misinformation about what Islam teaches...The Quran obviously does not state that men are superior to women (Etc, etc). I'm assuming you're another bigoted European who is "fed up" with muslim immigrants settling in your country, "causing all the problems" right?Nayef_shroof

Men are managers of the affairs of women because Allah has made the one superior to the other. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 329)

:lol: First, that isn't Quran, thats called a hadith (The sayings/actions of the prophet Muhammad). Secondly, hadiths are graded based on authenticity/reliability from various sources, and that hadith (and source) has been deemed extrmely unreliable by muslim scholars, and isn't considered proper (Not to mention it directly contradicts what the quran states regardng the equality of men and women)

"Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and forsake them in beds apart, and beat them." Quran 4:34, "Women," Dawood p. 86

"A male shall inherit twice as much as a female." Quran 4:11, "Women,"Dawood p. 77

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I don't like many of the more archaic practices that happen under the Islam religion. Why should that mean I have to be against different groups that don't practice stoning of flogging?

nunovlopes

Christianity was responsible for the murder of thousands (if not millions) of Native Americans all throughout North and South America.

Christianity justified slavery and racial segregation for hundreds of years within the USA.

It can't be that great a religion if all kinds of atrocities occurred "under the good name of Christianity."

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Any country that adopts Hinduism is a severely limited country, as the religion dictates that a poor man could never become anything else except a poor man, and that rich men can only be rich men because they were born that way.

It's completely ludicrous considering that we live in a 21st century society.

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What I'm saying is that you can't ignore the flaws of lots of religions just because Islam justifies archaic practices.

If you're going to condemn one religion, you have to condemn all of the infringing ones.

OnChristianity, don't forget the Inquisition, responsible for the torture of many people in Spain, Portugal and other places.

Does the U.S. media intentionally have a campaign to "brainwash" the American public? No. Is the U.S. media a part of a society that latently (or even openly) demonizes and oppresses many Muslims? Yes.

Does the U.S. media intentionally have a campaign to "brainwash" the American public? No. Is the U.S. media a part of a society that latently (or even openly) demonizes and oppresses many Muslims? Yes.

ShuLordLiuPei

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[QUOTE="peterw007"]

Christianity was responsible for the murder of thousands (if not millions) of Native Americans all throughout North and South America.

Christianity justified slavery and racial segregation for hundreds of years within the USA.

It can't be that great a religion if all kinds of atrocities occurred "under the good name of Christianity."

-

Any country that adopts Hinduism is a severely limited country, as the religion dictates that a poor man could never become anything else except a poor man, and that rich men can only be rich men because they were born that way.

It's completely ludicrous considering that we live in a 21st century society.

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What I'm saying is that you can't ignore the flaws of lots of religions just because Islam justifies archaic practices.

If you're going to condemn one religion, you have to condemn all of the infringing ones.

LJS9502_basic

OnChristianity, don't forget the Inquisition, responsible for the torture of many people in Spain, Portugal and other places.

What I meant was the Inquisition was a product of Christianity, responsible for the extreme torture of many people. And in Portugal it was authorized by the Pope.

"Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other"

Implies mostly in terms of physical strength.

"and because they spend their wealth to maintain them"

Every Muslim husband is suppose to give his wife everything he can afford. It actually secure's a wife's right.

"They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them"

Pretty much self explanatory.

"As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and forsake them in beds apart, and beat them"

This is the most controversial part and the most interpreted. You can NOT beat your wife to the extent where it actually harms her body. You are suppose to gently tap or push her if and only if she cheats on you.

"A male shall inherit twice as much as a female." Quran 4:11, "Women,"Dawood p. 77

Here's the whole history and explanation of the verse.
http://tinyurl.com/7qvoapn