Does resorting to physical discipline on your kids make you a bad parent?

After they just wont listen to you, step all over you, hit you, throw things at you, and curse at you? How far is too far?

After they just wont listen to you, step all over you, hit you, throw things at you, and curse at you? How far is too far?

Second_Hokage

I don't think it is necessary.

Personally I would never hit my child, I am not a fan of physical punishment.

So long as you are not angry while doing it.

I don't think it is necessary.

muller39

Dis, it doz not necassarily make 1 a bad parent persay imo bot it is bad in most cases.

In my opinion, yes. Every situation, especially when dealing with children, can be solved with words. You just have to know what to say.

In my opinion, yes. Every situation, especially when dealing with children, can be solved with words. You just have to know what to say.

Phoenix534

Sometimes kids get too out of hand. So long as it doesn't come down to flat out abuse, I don't see anything wrong with it.

In my opinion, yes. Every situation, especially when dealing with children, can be solved with words. You just have to know what to say.

Phoenix534

You've never met my fiance's little sister then. :cry:

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In my opinion, yes. Every situation, especially when dealing with children, can be solved with words. You just have to know what to say.

Nibroc420

Force also creates disrespect, mistrust, and lack of understanding why something was wrong.

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In my opinion, yes. Every situation, especially when dealing with children, can be solved with words. You just have to know what to say.

DarkGamer007

Force also creates disrespect, mistrust, and lack of understanding why something was wrong.

After they just wont listen to you, step all over you, hit you, throw things at you, and curse at you? How far is too far?

Second_Hokage

It sounds like you're doing it in a reactionary manner, in which case yes, yes it does.

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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Every situation can be dealt using force as well, force also sticks longer.Nibroc420

Force also creates disrespect, mistrust, and lack of understanding why something was wrong.

No they can't. Force can create total subservience due to a paralyzing fear of retribution, but that's not the same as respect and trust.

It depends on the situation. But, generally no. Thongs like spanking and grounding can do good sometimes.thegerg

LOL, Freudian slip?

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Force also creates disrespect, mistrust, and lack of understanding why something was wrong.

theone86

No they can't. Force can create total subservience due to a paralyzing fear of retribution, but that's not the same as respect and trust.

If I feel like I have to resort to hitting my child I feel like I have failed...

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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Those can also be fixed with force.Nibroc420

No they can't. Force can create total subservience due to a paralyzing fear of retribution, but that's not the same as respect and trust.

Force is force. Punishment has been objectively shown to be an inferior mode of discipline as opposed to positive and negative reinforcement. If it's used a a primary mode of discipline rather than a supplement to reinforcement then the results are going to be less than ideal.

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No they can't. Force can create total subservience due to a paralyzing fear of retribution, but that's not the same as respect and trust.

theone86

Force is force. Punishment has been objectively shown to be an inferior mode of discipline as opposed to positive and negative reinforcement. If it's used a a primary mode of discipline rather than a supplement to reinforcement then the results are going to be less than ideal.

Well I have been punished wit force n I feel I did not turn out that grayte but mayb da two are mutually exclusive yup yup? seriously though I was punished physically but I deserved it 99% of time.

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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Those can also be fixed with force.Nibroc420

No they can't. Force can create total subservience due to a paralyzing fear of retribution, but that's not the same as respect and trust.

So bottom line is. Dont hit your children. They will grow up to use MLP avatars.

Anything more than spanking is unnecessary. If a child gets to the point where you need to resort to anything more than that its only because the parenting has not been good enough for a prolonged period and has enabled the child to get out of control

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No they can't. Force can create total subservience due to a paralyzing fear of retribution, but that's not the same as respect and trust.

theone86

Force is force. Punishment has been objectively shown to be an inferior mode of discipline as opposed to positive and negative reinforcement. If it's used a a primary mode of discipline rather than a supplement to reinforcement then the results are going to be less than ideal.

consistent child abuse > child abuse

Wouldn't wanna send mixed signals now.

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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] That can be fixed with force. You just need the right sort of force ;) it's like an art really.FlippyMittens

Force is force. Punishment has been objectively shown to be an inferior mode of discipline as opposed to positive and negative reinforcement. If it's used a a primary mode of discipline rather than a supplement to reinforcement then the results are going to be less than ideal.

Well I have been punished wit force n I feel I did not turn out that grayte but mayb da two are mutually exclusive yup yup? seriously though I was punished physically but I deserved it 99% of time.

There can be varying consequences. Perhaps the force you experienced wasn't ideal, but that doesn't mean you're going to be Jeffery Dahmer. But what I'm saying is that punishment as the primary form of discipline isn't good. Psychiatrists differ on how much, if any, punishment should be used, but they all agree that reinforcement needs to be the primary factor in discipline. So no, they're not mutually exclusive, but I never said they were.

If the parent loses control they are bad, if a child does something bad hes gettin a big slap , learn not to disobey

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Force is force. Punishment has been objectively shown to be an inferior mode of discipline as opposed to positive and negative reinforcement. If it's used a a primary mode of discipline rather than a supplement to reinforcement then the results are going to be less than ideal.

theone86

Well I have been punished wit force n I feel I did not turn out that grayte but mayb da two are mutually exclusive yup yup? seriously though I was punished physically but I deserved it 99% of time.

There can be varying consequences. Perhaps the force you experienced wasn't ideal, but that doesn't mean you're going to be Jeffery Dahmer. But what I'm saying is that punishment as the primary form of discipline isn't good. Psychiatrists differ on how much, if any, punishment should be used, but they all agree that reinforcement needs to be the primary factor in discipline. So no, they're not mutually exclusive, but I never said they were.

No, in many cases it makes you a good parent. Sometimes a kid needs a belting, it establishes that you are the one who is control in the relationship.

No, in many cases it makes you a good parent. Sometimes a kid needs a belting, it establishes that you are the one who is control in the relationship.

edinsftw

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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] That can be fixed with force. You just need the right sort of force ;) it's like an art really.Nibroc420

Force is force. Punishment has been objectively shown to be an inferior mode of discipline as opposed to positive and negative reinforcement. If it's used a a primary mode of discipline rather than a supplement to reinforcement then the results are going to be less than ideal.

No I'm not. If you create a paralyzing fear of retribution you can't erase that fear with another degree of force. You might be able to avoid creating that fear at all through use of the right amount of force, though it is a very inexact "science," but you can't erase that fear with force or inspire respect and trust with force.

No, buts there is obiviously a line that shouldn't be crossed when it comes to physical discipline.

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Force is force. Punishment has been objectively shown to be an inferior mode of discipline as opposed to positive and negative reinforcement. If it's used a a primary mode of discipline rather than a supplement to reinforcement then the results are going to be less than ideal.

theone86

No I'm not. If you create a paralyzing fear of retribution you can't erase that fear with another degree of force. You might be able to avoid creating that fear at all through use of the right amount of force, though it is a very inexact "science," but you can't erase that fear with force or inspire respect and trust with force.

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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Force is force. Perhaps the issue is you're not being consistent?Nibroc420

No I'm not. If you create a paralyzing fear of retribution you can't erase that fear with another degree of force. You might be able to avoid creating that fear at all through use of the right amount of force, though it is a very inexact "science," but you can't erase that fear with force or inspire respect and trust with force.

No it hasn't.

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No I'm not. If you create a paralyzing fear of retribution you can't erase that fear with another degree of force. You might be able to avoid creating that fear at all through use of the right amount of force, though it is a very inexact "science," but you can't erase that fear with force or inspire respect and trust with force.

theone86

No it hasn't.

My kid if I had one? Lipped me off I would do the same thing my mother did to me. Smack them right in the face, so they know who is in charge. Just talking to somthing that can not be reasond with requires force to show they did wrong. I would not beat him but a good smack is warranted, then it has to be dunAddict187

So, let me get this straight, your argument is that not only do children not know that you are in charge, but can only be reminded of it through the use of violence? Riiiiiigght...

As long as physical discipline doesn't go too far it's alright with me and by too far I mean beating not just a simple swat on the rear or such.

Probably does yeah. If you notice they're alot of good parents who never resort to physical discipline with their kids, and their kids are often some of the best behaved, so cleary it isn't necessary.

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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] OH, you can erase fear with force. It's been done ;)Nibroc420

No it hasn't.

Force doesn't have to be physical you know.