does this paradox disprove christianity?

So, im on stickam right now and I've heard this interesting argument

Jesus was born of a virgin

therefore, he cannot be the messiah because he is not of the house of david

so jesus was the son of joseph

therefore he cannot be the son of god

does this disprove christianity?

lol with the mormons you are born going to heavan or hell. there is nothing you can do about it, so whats the point in doing anything good if you cant change the fact you are going to heaven or hell? woo hoo we are free to as much bad as we want and it wont change a THING!

So, im on stickam right now and I've heard this interesting argument

Jesus was born of a virgin

therefore, he cannot be the messiah because he is not of the house of david

so jesus was the son of joseph

therefore he cannot be the son of god

does this disprove christianity?

notconspiracy

lol wut?

Man, Logic disproves christanity.makaveli2344

Jesus was born from an egg. After all he was a raptor.AGSUser12

First thing he saw was, Dr. Alan Grant, Dr. Ian Malcolm and Ellie Sattler

lol with the mormons you are born going to heavan or hell. there is nothing you can do about it, so whats the point in doing anything good if you cant change the fact you are going to heaven or hell? woo hoo we are free to as much bad as we want and it wont change a THING!

Iantheone

That's horribly wrong. I've had mormon missionaries come to my house for preaching sessions and it's not like that.

[QUOTE="AGSUser12"]Jesus was born from an egg. After all he was a raptor.YeahYes

First thing he saw was, Dr. Alan Grant, Dr. Ian Malcolm and Ellie Sattler

Yep. Some refer to them as the "Three wise kings".

[QUOTE="Iantheone"]

lol with the mormons you are born going to heavan or hell. there is nothing you can do about it, so whats the point in doing anything good if you cant change the fact you are going to heaven or hell? woo hoo we are free to as much bad as we want and it wont change a THING!

Aznsilvrboy

That's horribly wrong. I've had mormon missionaries come to my house for preaching sessions and it's not like that.

ya it is. you are born going to heaven or hell

By the way OP, here's a verse from Wiki:

"When speaking of "the" messiah of the future modern Jews speak of two potential messiahs. Moshiach ben Yossef (Messiah son of Joseph) and Moshiach ben David (Messiah son of David)"

Logic can be disproved by insanity.dreDREb13

sanity is just a higher level of insanity

[QUOTE="Aznsilvrboy"][QUOTE="Iantheone"]

lol with the mormons you are born going to heavan or hell. there is nothing you can do about it, so whats the point in doing anything good if you cant change the fact you are going to heaven or hell? woo hoo we are free to as much bad as we want and it wont change a THING!

Iantheone

That's horribly wrong. I've had mormon missionaries come to my house for preaching sessions and it's not like that.

ya it is. you are born going to heaven or hell

No it's not. TWO mormon missionaries came to my house weekly for at least 3 consecutive months, teaching me about their church and you are NOT born going to heaven or hell. Also in mormonism, there's more than just heaven and hell, they're actually called "kingdoms" and there're more than two.

What if god is the essence of logic :shock:

It's not like it means god is some 'human emotional aryan man in the sky who judges his own creation that he created through magic', but perhaps a higher level of science and basically the existance of mathematics and logic is god itself...just a theory

What if god is the essence of logic :shock:

It's not like it means god is some 'human emotional aryan man in the sky who judges his own creation that he created through magic', but perhaps a higher level of science and basically the existance of mathematics and logic is god itself...just a theory

Messer_Partei

maybe we were just randomly created from a very unlikly process, just like millions of other worlds in the universe

lol ur still going to hell for not joining thier church... actually i dont think it was mormons i think it was amish or ssomething like thatIantheone

Yes one does go to hell for not joining their church. However that's different than being born into it and you CAN do something about it.

No...it doesn't.LJS9502_basic

I'd like to know cuz im the middle ofa debate right now

jesus is the only true 1337 aside from god. thats how its possibleIantheone

Omg after thousands of years of research this level 1 poster on gamespot has won!!!!

/saracasm

[QUOTE="Messer_Partei"]

What if god is the essence of logic :shock:

It's not like it means god is some 'human emotional aryan man in the sky who judges his own creation that he created through magic', but perhaps a higher level of science and basically the existance of mathematics and logic is god itself...just a theory

Iantheone

maybe we were just randomly created from a very unlikly process, just like millions of other worlds in the universe

maybe your condescending post can't be taken seriously because you believe in illogical beliefs to begin with. :|

What if god is the essence of logic :shock:

It's not like it means god is some 'human emotional aryan man in the sky who judges his own creation that he created through magic', but perhaps a higher level of science and basically the existance of mathematics and logic is god itself...just a theory

Messer_Partei

illogical? do you belive that we were created by one being? just us and nothing else?god didnt create anything. he dosent exist.this earth is inhabited by humans and animals that evolved over millionsof years.hell, we cant even put a line between humans and other animals. humans are animals we are no different.Iantheone

To rule out a higher power completely is the same thing as believing in one completely. Theology and Atheology is on the exact same level in that respect.

So, im on stickam right now and I've heard this interesting argument

Jesus was born of a virgin

therefore, he cannot be the messiah because he is not of the house of david

so jesus was the son of joseph

therefore he cannot be the son of god

does this disprove christianity?

notconspiracy

Mary also is a decendant of the house of david, and since joseph isn't the gene doners, he is not his real father. Think of it like a step dad you grew up with sicne you were a baby, are you going to call him joe or dad?

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

So, im on stickam right now and I've heard this interesting argument

Jesus was born of a virgin

therefore, he cannot be the messiah because he is not of the house of david

so jesus was the son of joseph

therefore he cannot be the son of god

does this disprove christianity?

Sparticus247

Mary also is a decendant of the house of david, and since joseph isn't the gene doners, he is not his real father. Think of it like a step dad you grew up with sicne you were a baby, are you going to call him joe or dad?

[QUOTE="Sparticus247"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

So, im on stickam right now and I've heard this interesting argument

Jesus was born of a virgin

therefore, he cannot be the messiah because he is not of the house of david

so jesus was the son of joseph

therefore he cannot be the son of god

does this disprove christianity?

notconspiracy

Mary also is a decendant of the house of david, and since joseph isn't the gene doners, he is not his real father. Think of it like a step dad you grew up with sicne you were a baby, are you going to call him joe or dad?

Yep, that she is my friend. I thought that I would get that one out there as it seemed that no one else posted that yet, kind of hard to believe:P

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Sparticus247"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

So, im on stickam right now and I've heard this interesting argument

Jesus was born of a virgin

therefore, he cannot be the messiah because he is not of the house of david

so jesus was the son of joseph

therefore he cannot be the son of god

does this disprove christianity?

Sparticus247

Mary also is a decendant of the house of david, and since joseph isn't the gene doners, he is not his real father. Think of it like a step dad you grew up with sicne you were a baby, are you going to call him joe or dad?

Yep, that she is my friend. I thought that I would get that one out there as it seemed that no one else posted that yet, kind of hard to believe:P

[QUOTE="Sparticus247"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Sparticus247"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

So, im on stickam right now and I've heard this interesting argument

Jesus was born of a virgin

therefore, he cannot be the messiah because he is not of the house of david

so jesus was the son of joseph

therefore he cannot be the son of god

does this disprove christianity?

notconspiracy

Mary also is a decendant of the house of david, and since joseph isn't the gene doners, he is not his real father. Think of it like a step dad you grew up with sicne you were a baby, are you going to call him joe or dad?

Yep, that she is my friend. I thought that I would get that one out there as it seemed that no one else posted that yet, kind of hard to believe:P

David had a son named Nathan, who had a son named Mattatha, who had a son named Menna, then Melea, then Eliakim, Jonam, Joseph, Judah, Simeon, Levi, Matthat, Jorim, Eliezer, Joshua, Er, Elmadam, Cosam, Addi, Melki, Neri, Shealtiel, Zerubbabel, Rhesa, Joanan Joda, Josech, Semein, Mattathias, Maath, Naggai, Esli, Nahum, Amos, Mattathias, Joseph, Jannai, Melki, Levi, Matthat, then Eli, Followed by Mary!!

I believe this is how it goes.

EDIT: There is also a seperate geneology of Joseph (Mary's husband) that shows he is a descendant of David as well through Soloman. This shows that Jesus was a blood descendant through Mary, and also the adopted descendent through Joseph.

Also many people mistake Mary's lineage for josephs, since, well I can't exactly remember where, there is a passage that refers to Joseph bing Eli's son. This is not the case however as it is also told earlier that Eli had no sons to call his own (meaning no boys), Joseph became the son of eli through Mary.

So, im on stickam right now and I've heard this interesting argument

Jesus was born of a virgin

therefore, he cannot be the messiah because he is not of the house of david

so jesus was the son of joseph

therefore he cannot be the son of god

does this disprove christianity?

notconspiracy

LOL, no, all it shows is that you dont understand christianity or its beliefs...

lol with the mormons you are born going to heavan or hell. there is nothing you can do about it, so whats the point in doing anything good if you cant change the fact you are going to heaven or hell? woo hoo we are free to as much bad as we want and it wont change a THING!

Iantheone

The mormons do NOT believe that. i am one. we are judged by our deeds. and dont tell me otherwise, you arent one.

illogical? do you belive that we were created by one being? just us and nothing else?god didnt create anything. he dosent exist.this earth is inhabited by humans and animals that evolved over millionsof years.hell, we cant even put a line between humans and other animals. humans are animals we are no different.Iantheone

[QUOTE="Iantheone"][QUOTE="Aznsilvrboy"][QUOTE="Iantheone"]

lol with the mormons you are born going to heavan or hell. there is nothing you can do about it, so whats the point in doing anything good if you cant change the fact you are going to heaven or hell? woo hoo we are free to as much bad as we want and it wont change a THING!

Aznsilvrboy

That's horribly wrong. I've had mormon missionaries come to my house for preaching sessions and it's not like that.

ya it is. you are born going to heaven or hell

No it's not. TWO mormon missionaries came to my house weekly for at least 3 consecutive months, teaching me about their church and you are NOT born going to heaven or hell. Also in mormonism, there's more than just heaven and hell, they're actually called "kingdoms" and there're more than two.

yeah, well there are three kingdoms of heaven, and the outer darkenss(hell). and mormons believe in repentanceand being responsible for your sins.

[QUOTE="Iantheone"]illogical? do you belive that we were created by one being? just us and nothing else?god didnt create anything. he dosent exist.this earth is inhabited by humans and animals that evolved over millionsof years.hell, we cant even put a line between humans and other animals. humans are animals we are no different.foxhound_fox

It's just as impossible to prove it true, which makes it quite ridiculous to believe either way completely.

It's just as impossible to prove it true, which makes it quite ridiculous to believe either way completely. morewasabi

[QUOTE="morewasabi"]It's just as impossible to prove it true, which makes it quite ridiculous to believe either way completely. foxhound_fox

to me, it is a FACT that there is a god. i know it is peculiar, but i dont care what you think. i care what i think... know.

The true paradox is this, for us to disprove your god and religion, first you need to prove that god exists.

......

Checkmate.

to me, it is a FACT that there is a god. i know it is peculiar, but i dont care what you think. i care what i think... know.Paper_Knife

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="morewasabi"]It's just as impossible to prove it true, which makes it quite ridiculous to believe either way completely. Paper_Knife

to me, it is a FACT that there is a god. i know it is peculiar, but i dont care what you think. i care what i think... know.

No evidence = No fact

Facts do not depend on what anyone thinks or does not think. They are based in objective reality and determined through reason.

= No fact

Facts do not depend on what anyone thinks or does not think. They are based in objective reality and determined through reason.

morewasabi

There are no facts supporting either side- Christianity or Athieism.