Donald Trump Calls for Barring All Muslims From Entering the U.S.

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#101 GazaAli
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You're rhetoric doesn't do anything to alleviate animosity towards muslims. Statements such as "it's your funeral" coupled with muslims inexplicable stoicism towards terrorist acts against non-muslim countries fan the flames of animosity towards muslims in modernized western countries. If you want to change things in a positive fashion then you need to stop running your mouth. You're worse than Donald Trump. I find your statement threatening and I plan on reporting you to the FBI.

FBI doesn't handle foreign affairs, that would be CIA.. He lives in the gaza strip if I believe? Just contact gamespot staff if you have an issue with his statements. lol no need to get that crazy.

I'd pay good money to be there when he approaches the CIA to report a guy supposedly badmouthing the U.S on a gaming forum. I can't imagine how insecure one needs to be to be considering such a joke.

Should I prepare myself to be swatted or snatched in the middle of the night to a black site? oh you

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Meanwhile, On the other side of the political spectrum....

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LMAO!!!!!! Whenever a "minority" is "insulted" and lefty runs out crying and finds one to hug.

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#103 TheWalkingGhost
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Right or wrong, sincere or not, he's just echoing the opinions of many out there today.

Let's be honest, social conservatives are pretty terrible people.

How I love silly generalizations.

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#104 dave123321
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Nooooooo

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#105  Edited By AlexKidd5000
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@TheWalkingGhost said:
@AlexKidd5000 said:

Meanwhile, On the other side of the political spectrum....

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LMAO!!!!!! Whenever a "minority" is "insulted" and lefty runs out crying and finds one to hug.

Yeah yeah whatever. The point is, Bernie Sanders is not a raging racist piece of shit like Trump is. Trump is 100% unelectable. Sanders is 100% Electable.

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#106 AlexKidd5000
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@TheWalkingGhost said:
@wizard said:
@servomaster said:
@Solaryellow said:

Right or wrong, sincere or not, he's just echoing the opinions of many out there today.

Let's be honest, social conservatives are pretty terrible people.

How I love silly generalizations.

Conservatives are not just despicable people, they regularly vote against there own interests, they want there rights taken away, they want to be poorer, and dumber by giving away there money, and education, and even healthcare. And Trump is just echoing what just about the entire republican party is thinking, Ted Cruz already passed legislation to ban muslims from the US. Ted Cruz is leading the climate change denial circus, and says that the liberal politicians, and scientists just want political power, he is projecting, because thats what HE, and the conservative politicians want. Very dangerous people.

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#107 THE_DRUGGIE
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@AlexKidd5000 said:
@TheWalkingGhost said:
@wizard said:
@servomaster said:
@Solaryellow said:

Right or wrong, sincere or not, he's just echoing the opinions of many out there today.

Let's be honest, social conservatives are pretty terrible people.

How I love silly generalizations.

Conservatives are not just despicable people, they regularly vote against there own interests, they want there rights taken away, they want to be poorer, and dumber by giving away there money, and education, and even healthcare. And Trump is just echoing what just about the entire republican party is thinking, Ted Cruz already passed legislation to ban muslims from the US. Ted Cruz is leading the climate change denial circus, and says that the liberal politicians, and scientists just want political power, he is projecting, because thats what HE, and the conservative politicians want. Very dangerous people.

We need more education so more people can learn the their/there/they're differences, capitalize proper nouns, use apostrophes, and not use a conjunction at the start of a sentence!

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#108  Edited By AlexKidd5000
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@THE_DRUGGIE said:
@AlexKidd5000 said:
@TheWalkingGhost said:
@wizard said:

How I love silly generalizations.

Conservatives are not just despicable people, they regularly vote against there own interests, they want there rights taken away, they want to be poorer, and dumber by giving away there money, and education, and even healthcare. And Trump is just echoing what just about the entire republican party is thinking, Ted Cruz already passed legislation to ban muslims from the US. Ted Cruz is leading the climate change denial circus, and says that the liberal politicians, and scientists just want political power, he is projecting, because thats what HE, and the conservative politicians want. Very dangerous people.

We need more education so more people can learn the their/there/they're differences, capitalize proper nouns, use apostrophes, and not use a conjunction at the start of a sentence!

Quiet druggie, go do some more coke. Or smoke some crack.

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#109 THE_DRUGGIE
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@AlexKidd5000 said:
@THE_DRUGGIE said:
@AlexKidd5000 said:
@TheWalkingGhost said:
@wizard said:

How I love silly generalizations.

Conservatives are not just despicable people, they regularly vote against there own interests, they want there rights taken away, they want to be poorer, and dumber by giving away there money, and education, and even healthcare. And Trump is just echoing what just about the entire republican party is thinking, Ted Cruz already passed legislation to ban muslims from the US. Ted Cruz is leading the climate change denial circus, and says that the liberal politicians, and scientists just want political power, he is projecting, because thats what HE, and the conservative politicians want. Very dangerous people.

We need more education so more people can learn the their/there/they're differences, capitalize proper nouns, use apostrophes, and not use a conjunction at the start of a sentence!

Quiet druggie, go do some more coke. Or smoke some crack.

Hey man, not my fault your English teacher handed out A's like dirty needles in a heroin shack.

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@THE_DRUGGIE said:
@AlexKidd5000 said:
@THE_DRUGGIE said:
@AlexKidd5000 said:
@TheWalkingGhost said:

How I love silly generalizations.

Conservatives are not just despicable people, they regularly vote against there own interests, they want there rights taken away, they want to be poorer, and dumber by giving away there money, and education, and even healthcare. And Trump is just echoing what just about the entire republican party is thinking, Ted Cruz already passed legislation to ban muslims from the US. Ted Cruz is leading the climate change denial circus, and says that the liberal politicians, and scientists just want political power, he is projecting, because thats what HE, and the conservative politicians want. Very dangerous people.

We need more education so more people can learn the their/there/they're differences, capitalize proper nouns, use apostrophes, and not use a conjunction at the start of a sentence!

Quiet druggie, go do some more coke. Or smoke some crack.

Hey man, not my fault your English teacher handed out A's like dirty needles in a heroin shack.

engrish no impartnt/

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#111 THE_DRUGGIE
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@AlexKidd5000 said:
@THE_DRUGGIE said:
@AlexKidd5000 said:
@THE_DRUGGIE said:
@AlexKidd5000 said:

Conservatives are not just despicable people, they regularly vote against there own interests, they want there rights taken away, they want to be poorer, and dumber by giving away there money, and education, and even healthcare. And Trump is just echoing what just about the entire republican party is thinking, Ted Cruz already passed legislation to ban muslims from the US. Ted Cruz is leading the climate change denial circus, and says that the liberal politicians, and scientists just want political power, he is projecting, because thats what HE, and the conservative politicians want. Very dangerous people.

We need more education so more people can learn the their/there/they're differences, capitalize proper nouns, use apostrophes, and not use a conjunction at the start of a sentence!

Quiet druggie, go do some more coke. Or smoke some crack.

Hey man, not my fault your English teacher handed out A's like dirty needles in a heroin shack.

engrish no impartnt/

Libertarian detected.

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#112 deactivated-59d151f079814
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The most maddening thing is that the Republican foundation is based upon intentional ignorance and intentional stupidity.. How the **** can you try to argue with a party whose platform has become anti science, anti education?

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@AlexKidd5000: Not nearly as dangerous as you. Your ability and willingness to generalize so many people into such a.narrow description is appalling,

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@AlexKidd5000: As for your other silly comment, how old are you? 14 i guess, or younger by the looks of it,

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Lol, destroying the republican party one statement by a time.

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#116 AlexKidd5000
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https://youtu.be/10G4PV8OSsc

Watch this video, and understand why Trump supporters are idiots.

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#117  Edited By AlexKidd5000
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@TheWalkingGhost: when in rome. Honestly, you cant say anything of actual value on the internet, because all you get are smart asses calling you a liberal nazi for being in favor of gun control, or having your argument completely dismissed without them giving a credible counter argument. So I have pretty much given up on having serious discussions with anyone on the internet, when many people flat out ignore others views, not even bothering to listen to them. Calling out assholes like Trump for being a disgusting racist pile of shit, and having zero real solutions makes you a PC nazi as well according to them.

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#118  Edited By Riverwolf007
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Who hasn't been banned from entry at some point?

Germans, italians, epileptics, anarchists, mental defectives, iranians ect.

Do they not teach history anymore? The prez can tell anyone and/or everyone of any creed or class to **** off and has done so on dozens of occasions over the last 200 years.

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#119 JimB
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Before we go out and hang Trump, to dry, we should consider the European countries. They are on the verge of loosing their culture. In fifteen years Sweden will no longer control Sweden and their culture but the Muslims will. In 1980 Sweden wanted to be the shining light for immigration. They offered free education to learn Swedish and assimilate into the culture, but that never happened and now the Swedish government doesn't know how to get out of the situation they find themselves.

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#120 themajormayor
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@JimB said:

Before we go out and hang Trump, to dry, we should consider the European countries. They are on the verge of loosing their culture. In fifteen years Sweden will no longer control Sweden and their culture but the Muslims will. In 1980 Sweden wanted to be the shining light for immigration. They offered free education to learn Swedish and assimilate into the culture, but that never happened and now the Swedish government doesn't know how to get out of the situation they find themselves.

Sweden doesn't really have a culture. They should be grateful that they have some muslims sharing their culture with them.

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#122 Allicrombie
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See if someone were to hold a press conference and call for a ban on all people named Donald, and that they should be "humanely" escorted out of the country, I'm betting Trump might have a problem with that.

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@JimB said:

Before we go out and hang Trump, to dry, we should consider the European countries. They are on the verge of loosing their culture.

How stupid do you have to be to think that?

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@jimkabrhel said:

Sums my thoughts up nicely. I wonder how would he (or anyone else) identify a Muslim? It's not like they are defined mathematically.

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Analogically comparable to Adolf Hitler and The Jews. We can't let this happen; I sure won't stand for this!

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@nethernova said:
@JimB said:

Before we go out and hang Trump, to dry, we should consider the European countries. They are on the verge of loosing their culture.

How stupid do you have to be to think that?

It appears his argument came from here. So......

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@nethernova said:
@JimB said:

Before we go out and hang Trump, to dry, we should consider the European countries. They are on the verge of loosing their culture.

How stupid do you have to be to think that?

he's kinda dumb. He's anti science if that says anything.

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@servomaster said:
@nethernova said:
@JimB said:

Before we go out and hang Trump, to dry, we should consider the European countries. They are on the verge of loosing their culture.

How stupid do you have to be to think that?

he's kinda dumb. He's anti science if that says anything.

@mattbbpl said:
@nethernova said:
@JimB said:

Before we go out and hang Trump, to dry, we should consider the European countries. They are on the verge of loosing their culture.

How stupid do you have to be to think that?

It appears his argument came from here. So......

@mattbbpl said:
@nethernova said:
@JimB said:

Before we go out and hang Trump, to dry, we should consider the European countries. They are on the verge of loosing their culture.

How stupid do you have to be to think that?

It appears his argument came from here. So......

You folks are so PC you are going to destroy the United States. FDR and JFK suspended all immigration during their terms in office from certain countries to protect the United States. You can take your PC and shove where the sun doesn't shine.

As far as not believing in science I don't believe in junk science.

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JimB is amazing. Always a laugh riot *golf claps*

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I don't know why people bother engaging with Jim B. He's an old conservative dude and old conservative dudes are the most mentally inflexible people you'll ever encounter.

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#131  Edited By GreySeal9
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@TheWalkingGhost said:
@wizard said:
@servomaster said:
@Solaryellow said:

Right or wrong, sincere or not, he's just echoing the opinions of many out there today.

Let's be honest, social conservatives are pretty terrible people.

How I love silly generalizations.

I don't think they're terrible people by any means but their ideology is not particularly moral and most conservatives I've met are at least a little bit racist. But to be fair, a lot of them aren't racist out of maliciousness. It comes more from a lack of exposure and a need to come up with simple explanations for complex issues. For instance, to explain the socioeconomic conditions of minorities, they might come up with a simplistic racist explanation whereas a liberal would be more inclined to look at the issue through a more compassionate and nuanced lens. That's not to say that liberals are perfect when it comes to race though. I've met my fair share of racist liberals, but I've met way more non-racist liberals whereas I can't think of a single conservative person I've met that didn't end up saying some racist shit at some point or other.

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#132 Drunk_PI
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"buh... buh... but the democraps did it too!!!"

@JimB

That's not a good argument and it still makes it wrong for what they did since the evidence points to the contrary in that immigration won't destroy culture, Muslim immigrants won't bring terrorism nationally, and you have more to fear from homegrown terrorism. That said, compared to a multitude of problems our country faces, from increasing debt, deteriorating education and infrastructure, gridlock government, healthcare problems, and etc, terrorism doesn't affect our lives constantly. You're more likely to die from a heart attack than get killed by any terrorist, right, left, Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, whatever.

Seriously, we spend more on military spending and we're not even at war. Hell, we spend more on tanks and jets (look up the F35, seriously, that thing.... there are no words to describe the stupidity of the whole thing) that the DOD doesn't even want/need but talk about increasing funds for education or healthcare, it's "socialism."

@GreySeal9 said:

I don't know why people bother engaging with Jim B. He's an old conservative dude and old conservative dudes are the most mentally inflexible people you'll ever encounter.

On a serious note, younger conservatives who spout this nonsense worry me the most.

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#133 GreySeal9
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@drunk_pi said:

"buh... buh... but the democraps did it too!!!"

@JimB

That's not a good argument and it still makes it wrong for what they did since the evidence points to the contrary in that immigration won't destroy culture, Muslim immigrants won't bring terrorism nationally, and you have more to fear from homegrown terrorism. That said, compared to a multitude of problems our country faces, from increasing debt, deteriorating education and infrastructure, gridlock government, healthcare problems, and etc, terrorism doesn't affect our lives constantly. You're more likely to die from a heart attack than get killed by any terrorist, right, left, Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, whatever.

Seriously, we spend more on military spending and we're not even at war. Hell, we spend more on tanks and jets (look up the F35, seriously, that thing.... there are no words to describe the stupidity of the whole thing) that the DOD doesn't even want/need but talk about increasing funds for education or healthcare, it's "socialism."

@GreySeal9 said:

I don't know why people bother engaging with Jim B. He's an old conservative dude and old conservative dudes are the most mentally inflexible people you'll ever encounter.

On a serious note, younger conservatives who spout this nonsense worry me the most.

Yeah. For sure. But in my experience, younger conservatives have way more sensible and open-minded views on this subject.

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@GreySeal9 said:

I don't know why people bother engaging with Jim B. He's an old conservative dude and old conservative dudes are the most mentally inflexible people you'll ever encounter.

Because it's fun.

@GreySeal9 said:

Yeah. For sure. But in my experience, younger conservatives have way more sensible and open-minded views on this subject.

In general that seems to be the case, I recall reading somewhere that as brains get older, newer ideas in general become hard to accept as our brains become more rigid, cant find the source so it is more difficult to fact check, but it wouldnt surprise me if true.

Anyways, I tend to divide the right wing into Conservatives and Wingnuts. Of which conservatives would include people like most Eisenhower, and most Rockerfeller Republicans. And on the wingnut side there are people like Jerry Falwell, Donald Trump and yes... JimB.

Likewise, I do the same for left side. Liberals and Moonbats. Liberals being the sane ones and Moonbats being the more disagreeable left wingers.

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@GreySeal9 said:

I don't think they're terrible people by any means but their ideology is not particularly moral and most conservatives I've met are at least a little bit racist. But to be fair, a lot of them aren't racist out of maliciousness. It comes more from a lack of exposure and a need to come up with simple explanations for complex issues. For instance, to explain the socioeconomic conditions of minorities, they might come up with a simplistic racist explanation whereas a liberal would be more inclined to look at the issue through a more compassionate and nuanced lens. That's not to say that liberals are perfect when it comes to race though. I've met my fair share of racist liberals, but I've met way more non-racist liberals whereas I can't think of a single conservative person I've met that didn't end up saying some racist shit at some point or other.

Oddly enough I find the Liberals being the ones who ALWAYS throw out the race card while classifying someone as a racist. That tends to be the go-to approach whenever dealing with someone in the minority. Look at the female from msnbc who is claiming Star Wars is racist. I'm sure you've seen the race card thrown here especially with the b.s. BLM movement and the reluctance it is met with by some. If we have a discussion on crime and mention government statistics, we are called racist.

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#136  Edited By GreySeal9
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@Solaryellow said:
@GreySeal9 said:

I don't think they're terrible people by any means but their ideology is not particularly moral and most conservatives I've met are at least a little bit racist. But to be fair, a lot of them aren't racist out of maliciousness. It comes more from a lack of exposure and a need to come up with simple explanations for complex issues. For instance, to explain the socioeconomic conditions of minorities, they might come up with a simplistic racist explanation whereas a liberal would be more inclined to look at the issue through a more compassionate and nuanced lens. That's not to say that liberals are perfect when it comes to race though. I've met my fair share of racist liberals, but I've met way more non-racist liberals whereas I can't think of a single conservative person I've met that didn't end up saying some racist shit at some point or other.

Oddly enough I find the Liberals being the ones who ALWAYS throw out the race card while classifying someone as a racist. That tends to be the go-to approach whenever dealing with someone in the minority. Look at the female from msnbc who is claiming Star Wars is racist. I'm sure you've seen the race card thrown here especially with the b.s. BLM movement and the reluctance it is met with by some. If we have a discussion on crime and mention government statistics, we are called racist.

There is never an honest discussion on statistics though: conservatives often use statistics as excuse to validate their negative feelings about minorities instead of genuinely trying to understand why those statistics exist and what can be done to fix the problem.

And yes, some people do abuse the race card and make it harder to have a constructive discussion about race relations, but simply pointing out institutional or subtle racism does not mean one is playing the race card. I find it troubling that certain conservative folks wish to portray any mention of racial inequality as race-baiting as a way of sweeping the issue under the rug.

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#137 Solaryellow
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@GreySeal9 said:

There is never an honest discussion on statistics though: conservatives often use statistics as excuse to validate their negative feelings about minorities instead of genuinely trying to understand why those statistics exist and what can be done to fix the problem.

And yes, some people do abuse the race card and make it harder to have a constructive discussion about race relations, but simply pointing out institutional or subtle racism does not mean one is playing the race card. I find it troubling that certain conservative folks wish to portray any mention of racial inequality as race-baiting as a way of sweeping the issue under the rug.

The honesty surrounding stats is they are only favored when it supports a viewpoint.

First off, no one needs any excuse to like or dislike anyone. In America we have the freedom to do just that w/o rhyme or reason or cause. How and why the statistic exists does not negate such statistic. When someone looks more cautiously at a group over another group based on actions, the liberal reaction is to call racism. Poppycock.

Have you ever heard of the boy who cried wolf? EVERY TIME a conservative says anything in regards to race or minorities it is called racism by the left. Unfortunately that's the sate we are in.

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#138 mattbbpl
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@GreySeal9 said:

Yeah. For sure. But in my experience, younger conservatives have way more sensible and open-minded views on this subject.

In my experience it's odd because I agree with your statement here regarding this subject (and some others), but I've actually seen LESS sensibility in this demographic regarding other issues (most notably economic issues). I don't know if that's just due to a difference of exposure to/reflection on the two issues or something else.

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#139 dave123321
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America aint some weak ass stick house jimmy

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#140 servomaster
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@JimB said:
@servomaster said:
@nethernova said:
@JimB said:

Before we go out and hang Trump, to dry, we should consider the European countries. They are on the verge of loosing their culture.

How stupid do you have to be to think that?

he's kinda dumb. He's anti science if that says anything.

@mattbbpl said:
@nethernova said:
@JimB said:

Before we go out and hang Trump, to dry, we should consider the European countries. They are on the verge of loosing their culture.

How stupid do you have to be to think that?

It appears his argument came from here. So......

@mattbbpl said:
@nethernova said:
@JimB said:

Before we go out and hang Trump, to dry, we should consider the European countries. They are on the verge of loosing their culture.

How stupid do you have to be to think that?

It appears his argument came from here. So......

You folks are so PC you are going to destroy the United States. FDR and JFK suspended all immigration during their terms in office from certain countries to protect the United States. You can take your PC and shove where the sun doesn't shine.

As far as not believing in science I don't believe in junk science.

How is me saying you oppose science PC?

All I've seen you do is talk shit about certain scientific topics and not back yourself up with evidence.

You're either a troll or have some serious blinders on. Like all social cons lol.

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#141 Mercenary848
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@servomaster: Sadly this person is likely being 100% true to himself, these right winger hypocrites have devolved so much its pitiful.

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#142 JustBeFahad
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The Democrats really don't need to do anything at this point. Donald Trump is gonna let them win by pulling the Republicans into oblivion.

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#143 servomaster
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@Solaryellow said:
@GreySeal9 said:

There is never an honest discussion on statistics though: conservatives often use statistics as excuse to validate their negative feelings about minorities instead of genuinely trying to understand why those statistics exist and what can be done to fix the problem.

And yes, some people do abuse the race card and make it harder to have a constructive discussion about race relations, but simply pointing out institutional or subtle racism does not mean one is playing the race card. I find it troubling that certain conservative folks wish to portray any mention of racial inequality as race-baiting as a way of sweeping the issue under the rug.

The honesty surrounding stats is they are only favored when it supports a viewpoint.

First off, no one needs any excuse to like or dislike anyone. In America we have the freedom to do just that w/o rhyme or reason or cause. How and why the statistic exists does not negate such statistic. When someone looks more cautiously at a group over another group based on actions, the liberal reaction is to call racism. Poppycock.

Have you ever heard of the boy who cried wolf? EVERY TIME a conservative says anything in regards to race or minorities it is called racism by the left. Unfortunately that's the sate we are in.

If the Republicans weren't blatantly racist or xenophobic all the time then maybe the small number legitimate concerns wouldn't get thrown out with the mountains of bigotry.

The republicans just cry wolf, being racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic over and over and over, so when there actually is a wolf, nobody listens.

Hopefully the party grows up, but I don't expect much from them.

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#144 Solaryellow
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@servomaster said:

If the Republicans weren't blatantly racist or xenophobic all the time then maybe the small number legitimate concerns wouldn't get thrown out with the mountains of bigotry.

The republicans just cry wolf, being racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic over and over and over, so when there actually is a wolf, nobody listens.

Hopefully the party grows up, but I don't expect much from them.

Nothing of what you said is worth the price of tea in China simply because all the various cards you just threw out are pulled whenever someone does not tow the specific minority lined spewed by the left. The boy who cried wolf would apply to them as well. Someone doesn't support gay marriage and in the eyes of the left you must hate gays. Wanting blacks to stand up rather than getting a free ride and the left thinks you are racist and hateful. Mention how our government not being able to properly check the backgrounds of people living in a brick hut from some third world nation should keep them out of our country and the left pulls the race card.

You want the right to grow up and I want the left to pull their heads out of their asses.

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#145 bmanva
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@GazaAli said:
@Aljosa23 said:
@comp_atkins said:

just ignore the clown jumping up and down in the corner folks

he'll be gone soon enough

Gone to the White House?

Precisely. Denialists of Trump's ability to make it to the White House at this point in the race are detached from an emerging American reality that remains arcane to many. But even if we were to disregard said reality, a cursory appeal to history would still remind us that Hitler started as an outsider to German politics that envisaged his evanescence. Mainstream German politics, just like its contemporary American counterpart, underestimated the power of divisive politics and demagoguery in a democratic polity in its twilight.

There's poetic justice in what's happening in the U.S. It concocted and publicized the concept of Islamic terrorism worldwide - shaming and disgracing a third of the world's population in the process - and contributed to the rise of different insurgencies in the region - destroying and displacing entire peoples in the process - as a part of its military adventurism and imperialism. Now a tyrant is in the making, and he's capitalizing on the same prejudices and fears that the U.S created.

Trump is the natural evolution of the American regime that disregards any conciliatory rhetoric as shameful and pandering. There's infinite irony in Trump's words about the incomprehensible hatred of Muslims.

Honestly, what do you know of American reality? You have never been involved in US politics; I kinda doubt you even lived in the US for an extended period. All of your information seems to be second or third hand, not to mention incredibly biased. Election is still almost a year away and primary polls don't reflect the presidential race outcome in the slightest. Truth is, there's nothing to deny, the reality is even if Trump win the nomination and that's a big if, then he has zero chance of actually winning against Clinton or any democrat candidates for that matter. In fact, as many political experts have already noted, Trump winning the nomination essentially dooms GOP chances of winning the general election. As much as he motivates his under-educated white male core audience with his divisive approach, it galvanizes the rest (i.e. majority of Americans) against him. As for the Hitler analogy, it demonstrates your poor grasp of actual history. Hitler was not elected to position of power but he did so through intimidation, political dealings and exploitation of loopholes in German election law at the time. For anybody who knows anything about American political system, it should be obvious that something like Hitler's manuver would not be possible to replicate in our election.

"Concocted and publicized"?! lol Islamic terrorism isn't a myth of American invention. It's a real issue. Now whether we are actually responsible for making ourselves a target of Islamic extremists is another topic entirely. Hell, it's not even a solely western world problem. Both Russian and the Chinese have had to dealt with Islamic terrorists domestically and internationally. Those two countries have publicly condemned Islamic terrorism just as US and western nations have. As for "shaming and disgracing" a third of the third world population (kinda doubt that figure considering population of poor non-Muslims in South America, China and India but besides the point), you are essentially saying media should never state the fact of a criminal's race or motivation or background since by doing do so, it's "shaming and disgracing" all members of that race, ideology, or background? That's the most ridiculous shit I've ever read. That's borderline Trump logic (which I will go into later). If Muslims are shamed about Islamic terrorism then it's their problem because western countries as a whole have been very careful in disassociating Muslim terrorists with the rest of the Muslim populations, much more so than the Russians and Chinese whom are more inclined to tie ALL Muslims with terrorism. Yet you seems to think US is leading the charge on besmirching the Islam faith.

The irony is Americaphobic individuals like you want Trump in the WH just so you can be vindicated in all your "death to America" BS. It is as much fantasy fulfillment as the individuals who buys into Trump's garbage. Further irony is the fact that your some of your political outlooks actually align with Trump's and really any religious conservatives, like your stance on drugs and alcohol bans as well as the general belief that strict moral standards need to be enforced onto each and every members of a given community. In that way, it does share similarity with facism in that morality is something dictated and controlled by the authority.

As much as you want to generalize an entire country or even just our government, American politic isn't an unified entity with singular opinion on various issues. Trump might reflect the position of fringe faction of our population but he's not representative of the government or even GOP. So to say that Trump is somehow an natural evolution of this supposed American war on Islam is absolutely bullshit. There's good business to be made in getting people to focus their collective fear on some alien element so they blindly follow the leaders. This is true whether we are talking about conservatives with immigration issues or liberals with gun control issues.

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#146 comp_atkins
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lol watching the other candidates rip into trump more at the debate.

you're going to shut down parts of the internet?

you're going to target the families of known terrorists rather than going after them themselves?

that's some north korea shit.

kim jong-trump '16 !

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@Solaryellow said:
@GreySeal9 said:

There is never an honest discussion on statistics though: conservatives often use statistics as excuse to validate their negative feelings about minorities instead of genuinely trying to understand why those statistics exist and what can be done to fix the problem.

And yes, some people do abuse the race card and make it harder to have a constructive discussion about race relations, but simply pointing out institutional or subtle racism does not mean one is playing the race card. I find it troubling that certain conservative folks wish to portray any mention of racial inequality as race-baiting as a way of sweeping the issue under the rug.

The honesty surrounding stats is they are only favored when it supports a viewpoint.

First off, no one needs any excuse to like or dislike anyone. In America we have the freedom to do just that w/o rhyme or reason or cause. How and why the statistic exists does not negate such statistic. When someone looks more cautiously at a group over another group based on actions, the liberal reaction is to call racism. Poppycock.

Have you ever heard of the boy who cried wolf? EVERY TIME a conservative says anything in regards to race or minorities it is called racism by the left. Unfortunately that's the sate we are in.

As to the bold, just because one has the freedom to have racist views of minorities (which is what I meant by negative feelings) doesn't mean that they should. Your notion that racism is okay because it's a freedom is a perfect example of the moral immaturity of certain conservative ideologies.

And ignoring the reasons behind a statistic is nothing more than anti-intellectualism. Many conservatives don't want to know the reasons because it stops them from supplying their own reasons, many of which have racist undercurrents.

The reason that conservatives are labeled racist when they say something about race is because they usually approach the topic from an angle of hostility and ignorance. If they approached the topic with more compassion and wisdom, their comments would be received better. Instead of complaining about how the big bad liberals call you racist, take personal responsibility for your own speech and what it implies. The desire to play the victim has robbed the right of the capacity of self-analyze and self-reflect.

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#148  Edited By GreySeal9
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@Solaryellow said:
@servomaster said:

If the Republicans weren't blatantly racist or xenophobic all the time then maybe the small number legitimate concerns wouldn't get thrown out with the mountains of bigotry.

The republicans just cry wolf, being racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic over and over and over, so when there actually is a wolf, nobody listens.

Hopefully the party grows up, but I don't expect much from them.

Nothing of what you said is worth the price of tea in China simply because all the various cards you just threw out are pulled whenever someone does not tow the specific minority lined spewed by the left. The boy who cried wolf would apply to them as well. Someone doesn't support gay marriage and in the eyes of the left you must hate gays. Wanting blacks to stand up rather than getting a free ride and the left thinks you are racist and hateful. Mention how our government not being able to properly check the backgrounds of people living in a brick hut from some third world nation should keep them out of our country and the left pulls the race card.

You want the right to grow up and I want the left to pull their heads out of their asses.

The idea that blacks get a "free ride" is incredibly ignorant and does not at all line up with reality. Most social programs are a supplement to the incomes people receive from working. You do realize that black people, even the ones on welfare, do work, right? You do realize that not all blacks are on welfare, right? Perhaps your cartoonish views of social programs might be more to blame for this comment than anything else.

If you want liberals to stop calling conservatives racist, it would help to look at these issues with more nuance instead of throwing out rightwing banalities.

To be clear, I'm not saying that that ignorant comment you just made makes you racist. But when you make comments like that, one gets the impression that you're making judgments about blacks without any real effort at understanding, which is what racists do: purposefully misunderstand to validate their negative feelings about a certain race.

I think that a little humility would go a long way. If you stop pretending you know everything and actually examine the issues more openly, you'll find that people will be less likely to throw the r-word at you.

Now that doesn't mean that there won't be immature liberals that will still throw down the word racist in contexts where it doesn't belong. But there has to be a point in which conservatives demonstrate some self-awareness and personal responsibility about the words that come out of their mouth. As I said in my earlier post, the conservative tendency to default to victimhood stymies self-reflection and personal responsibility.

I predict that you're gonna come back with the typical angry missing-the-point rant in which you say "liberals are the ones that want to make people victims! liberals are the ones that shirk self-responsibility!" but maybe I'll be surprised.

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#149  Edited By Solaryellow
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@GreySeal9 said:

The idea that blacks get a "free ride" is incredibly ignorant and does not at all line up with reality. Most social programs are a supplement to the incomes people receive from working. You do realize that black people, even the ones on welfare, do work, right? You do realize that not all blacks are on welfare, right? Perhaps your cartoonish views of social programs might be more to blame for this comment than anything else.

If you want liberals to stop calling conservatives racist, it would help to look at these issues with more nuance instead of throwing out rightwing banalities.

To be clear, I'm not saying that that ignorant comment you just made makes you racist. But when you make comments like that, one gets the impression that you're making judgments about blacks without any real effort at understanding, which is what racists do: purposefully misunderstand to validate their negative feelings about a certain race.

I think that a little humility would go a long way. If you stop pretending you know everything and actually examine the issues more openly, you'll find that people will be less likely to throw the r-word at you.

Now that doesn't mean that there won't be immature liberals that will still throw down the word racist in contexts where it doesn't belong. But there has to be a point in which conservatives demonstrate some self-awareness and personal responsibility about the words that come out of their mouth. As I said in my earlier post, the conservative tendency to default to victimhood stymies self-reflection and personal responsibility.

I predict that you're gonna come back with the typical angry missing-the-point rant in which you say "liberals are the ones that want to make people victims! liberals are the ones that shirk self-responsibility!" but maybe I'll be surprised.

You won't take offense when I tell you that I'm not concerned in the least with how you interpret my comments.

Whether you find something ignorant or not, what I said remains true. The Black population is disproportionately represented when it comes to welfare, crime, etc.., Ignoring it and pouting won't make it go away. Pretending this country has not bent over backwards for the treatment of this community from 150 years ago doesn't make it any less true. None of that really matters to this discussion though. As someone who could never be a leftie, I'm not supposed to look at facts because they are bad. I'm supposed to look at things through rose colored glasses and pretend these are the makings of a fantasy rather than reality.

As I mentioned earlier, as soon one mentions the elephant in the room, out comes the race card, the hatred card, etc.., The politically correct thing is to never mention the elephant. Unless one is lock, stock and barrel in the support of something, they are the lowest of the low. With the left, there is always excuse after excuse why one should never look at a statistic...unless it supports their position. To me that sounds quite naive.

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#150 bmanva
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@servomaster said:
@Solaryellow said:
@GreySeal9 said:

There is never an honest discussion on statistics though: conservatives often use statistics as excuse to validate their negative feelings about minorities instead of genuinely trying to understand why those statistics exist and what can be done to fix the problem.

And yes, some people do abuse the race card and make it harder to have a constructive discussion about race relations, but simply pointing out institutional or subtle racism does not mean one is playing the race card. I find it troubling that certain conservative folks wish to portray any mention of racial inequality as race-baiting as a way of sweeping the issue under the rug.

The honesty surrounding stats is they are only favored when it supports a viewpoint.

First off, no one needs any excuse to like or dislike anyone. In America we have the freedom to do just that w/o rhyme or reason or cause. How and why the statistic exists does not negate such statistic. When someone looks more cautiously at a group over another group based on actions, the liberal reaction is to call racism. Poppycock.

Have you ever heard of the boy who cried wolf? EVERY TIME a conservative says anything in regards to race or minorities it is called racism by the left. Unfortunately that's the sate we are in.

If the Republicans weren't blatantly racist or xenophobic all the time then maybe the small number legitimate concerns wouldn't get thrown out with the mountains of bigotry.

The republicans just cry wolf, being racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic over and over and over, so when there actually is a wolf, nobody listens.

Hopefully the party grows up, but I don't expect much from them.

How are Republicans "blatantly" racist? I mean you do understand the term correctly right?

As for xenophobia, as I already mentioned in a previous reply, every party has their boogeyman, for republicans it's Muslims and democrats it's guns, both are equally ridiculous.