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@Solaryellow said:
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The idea that blacks get a "free ride" is incredibly ignorant and does not at all line up with reality. Most social programs are a supplement to the incomes people receive from working. You do realize that black people, even the ones on welfare, do work, right? You do realize that not all blacks are on welfare, right? Perhaps your cartoonish views of social programs might be more to blame for this comment than anything else.

If you want liberals to stop calling conservatives racist, it would help to look at these issues with more nuance instead of throwing out rightwing banalities.

To be clear, I'm not saying that that ignorant comment you just made makes you racist. But when you make comments like that, one gets the impression that you're making judgments about blacks without any real effort at understanding, which is what racists do: purposefully misunderstand to validate their negative feelings about a certain race.

I think that a little humility would go a long way. If you stop pretending you know everything and actually examine the issues more openly, you'll find that people will be less likely to throw the r-word at you.

Now that doesn't mean that there won't be immature liberals that will still throw down the word racist in contexts where it doesn't belong. But there has to be a point in which conservatives demonstrate some self-awareness and personal responsibility about the words that come out of their mouth. As I said in my earlier post, the conservative tendency to default to victimhood stymies self-reflection and personal responsibility.

I predict that you're gonna come back with the typical angry missing-the-point rant in which you say "liberals are the ones that want to make people victims! liberals are the ones that shirk self-responsibility!" but maybe I'll be surprised.

You won't take offense when I tell you that I'm not concerned in the least with how you interpret my comments.

Whether you find something ignorant or not, what I said remains true. The Black population is disproportionately represented when it comes to welfare, crime, etc.., Ignoring it and pouting won't make it go away. Pretending this country has not bent over backwards for the treatment of this community from 150 years ago doesn't make it any less true. None of that really matters to this discussion though. As someone who could never be a leftie, I'm not supposed to look at facts because they are bad. I'm supposed to look at things through rose colored glasses and pretend these are the makings of a fantasy rather than reality.

As I mentioned earlier, as soon one mentions the elephant in the room, out comes the race card, the hatred card, etc.., The politically correct thing is to never mention the elephant. Unless one is lock, stock and barrel in the support of something, they are the lowest of the low. With the left, there is always excuse after excuse why one should never look at a statistic...unless it supports their position. To me that sounds quite naive.

Simply stating the underlined fact would not merit the race card. It is where people typically go NEXT that pulls it out.

They'll say something like "how come these people can't get their act together?" or like you did (paraphrasing) "it's been 150 years already, what's their problem?" Making the judgment or implication that a population is somehow inferior based on the underlined fact.

See the difference? Stating a fact is OK, implying judgment when you do not know ALL the facts, as GreySeal mentioned, is where you get in trouble...

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How are Republicans "blatantly" racist? I mean you do understand the term correctly right?

As for xenophobia, as I already mentioned in a previous reply, every party has their boogeyman, for republicans it's Muslims and democrats it's guns, both are equally ridiculous.

The left is notorious for condemning someone as hateful, racist, etc.., anytime they (righty) mention something that can be construed as negative when it comes to someone in the minority. Not supporting a lifestyle does not mean you hate the person. Someone needs to explain this to the left.

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Simply stating the underlined fact would not merit the race card. It is where people typically go NEXT that pulls it out.

They'll say something like "how come these people can't get their act together?" or like you did (paraphrasing) "it's been 150 years already, what's their problem?" Making the judgment or implication that a population is somehow inferior based on the underlined fact.

See the difference? Stating a fact is OK, implying judgment when you do not know ALL the facts, as GreySeal mentioned, is where you get in trouble...

Allow me to correct your misinterpretation. The 150 year comment was in regards to the Civil War and the termination of slavery. Back then these people were treated as animals and as such, the government has tried to make contrition for its past misdeeds. Are you clear now?

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@Solaryellow said:
@bmanva said:

How are Republicans "blatantly" racist? I mean you do understand the term correctly right?

As for xenophobia, as I already mentioned in a previous reply, every party has their boogeyman, for republicans it's Muslims and democrats it's guns, both are equally ridiculous.

The left is notorious for condemning someone as hateful, racist, etc.., anytime they (righty) mention something that can be construed as negative when it comes to someone in the minority. Not supporting a lifestyle does not mean you hate the person. Someone needs to explain this to the left.

Yeah, I noticed that. Democratic drones (this isn't all liberals) have tendency to group any opposition to the worst of Republican party. It's an obvious strategy to dismiss what one has to say wholesale without having to actually consider validity of their positions.

That said, I think too often Republicans aren't vocal enough against their more extreme fellow party members in defense of their own positions. I mean get that whole united front thing but if you stay quiet when the crazy ones are on the podium then you are effectively letting them to be the voice of the party. Trump is a perfect example, and I know internally GOP has had a helluva time to keep him on a short leash. On the particular issue of gay marriages, plenty of prominent Republicans have publicly supported of (including Dick Cheney and both W's dad Bush Sr and his wife Laura Bush).

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@bmanva said:
@servomaster said:
@Solaryellow said:
@GreySeal9 said:

There is never an honest discussion on statistics though: conservatives often use statistics as excuse to validate their negative feelings about minorities instead of genuinely trying to understand why those statistics exist and what can be done to fix the problem.

And yes, some people do abuse the race card and make it harder to have a constructive discussion about race relations, but simply pointing out institutional or subtle racism does not mean one is playing the race card. I find it troubling that certain conservative folks wish to portray any mention of racial inequality as race-baiting as a way of sweeping the issue under the rug.

The honesty surrounding stats is they are only favored when it supports a viewpoint.

First off, no one needs any excuse to like or dislike anyone. In America we have the freedom to do just that w/o rhyme or reason or cause. How and why the statistic exists does not negate such statistic. When someone looks more cautiously at a group over another group based on actions, the liberal reaction is to call racism. Poppycock.

Have you ever heard of the boy who cried wolf? EVERY TIME a conservative says anything in regards to race or minorities it is called racism by the left. Unfortunately that's the sate we are in.

If the Republicans weren't blatantly racist or xenophobic all the time then maybe the small number legitimate concerns wouldn't get thrown out with the mountains of bigotry.

The republicans just cry wolf, being racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic over and over and over, so when there actually is a wolf, nobody listens.

Hopefully the party grows up, but I don't expect much from them.

How are Republicans "blatantly" racist? I mean you do understand the term correctly right?

As for xenophobia, as I already mentioned in a previous reply, every party has their boogeyman, for republicans it's Muslims and democrats it's guns, both are equally ridiculous.

Muslims are a group of people, guns are weapons.

Did you really just compare a group of humans to weapons as though that's a legitimate thing to say?

Just look at the policies of the republicans and how they blatantly support one group over another, notice how they pretend that there's racial equality in this country.

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@Solaryellow said:
@servomaster said:

If the Republicans weren't blatantly racist or xenophobic all the time then maybe the small number legitimate concerns wouldn't get thrown out with the mountains of bigotry.

The republicans just cry wolf, being racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic over and over and over, so when there actually is a wolf, nobody listens.

Hopefully the party grows up, but I don't expect much from them.

Nothing of what you said is worth the price of tea in China simply because all the various cards you just threw out are pulled whenever someone does not tow the specific minority lined spewed by the left. The boy who cried wolf would apply to them as well. Someone doesn't support gay marriage and in the eyes of the left you must hate gays. Wanting blacks to stand up rather than getting a free ride and the left thinks you are racist and hateful. Mention how our government not being able to properly check the backgrounds of people living in a brick hut from some third world nation should keep them out of our country and the left pulls the race card.

You want the right to grow up and I want the left to pull their heads out of their asses.

Not supporting gay marriage is bigotry by definition.

You don't know what a free ride is, implying that's why blacks are getting is pretty racist tbh.

The background checks are pretty extensive if you actually look into them. The screening process is pretty insane, it's just xenophobia.

Republicans have been blatantly lying or being ignorant about science for decades. How can you say that the left has it's head up it's ass when republicans are too stupid to even find it?

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@GreySeal9 said:
@Solaryellow said:
@servomaster said:

If the Republicans weren't blatantly racist or xenophobic all the time then maybe the small number legitimate concerns wouldn't get thrown out with the mountains of bigotry.

The republicans just cry wolf, being racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic over and over and over, so when there actually is a wolf, nobody listens.

Hopefully the party grows up, but I don't expect much from them.

Nothing of what you said is worth the price of tea in China simply because all the various cards you just threw out are pulled whenever someone does not tow the specific minority lined spewed by the left. The boy who cried wolf would apply to them as well. Someone doesn't support gay marriage and in the eyes of the left you must hate gays. Wanting blacks to stand up rather than getting a free ride and the left thinks you are racist and hateful. Mention how our government not being able to properly check the backgrounds of people living in a brick hut from some third world nation should keep them out of our country and the left pulls the race card.

You want the right to grow up and I want the left to pull their heads out of their asses.

The idea that blacks get a "free ride" is incredibly ignorant and does not at all line up with reality. Most social programs are a supplement to the incomes people receive from working. You do realize that black people, even the ones on welfare, do work, right? You do realize that not all blacks are on welfare, right? Perhaps your cartoonish views of social programs might be more to blame for this comment than anything else.

Like I've been saying, republicans are blatantly racist and don't even realize it.

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@bmanva said:
@Solaryellow said:
@bmanva said:

How are Republicans "blatantly" racist? I mean you do understand the term correctly right?

As for xenophobia, as I already mentioned in a previous reply, every party has their boogeyman, for republicans it's Muslims and democrats it's guns, both are equally ridiculous.

The left is notorious for condemning someone as hateful, racist, etc.., anytime they (righty) mention something that can be construed as negative when it comes to someone in the minority. Not supporting a lifestyle does not mean you hate the person. Someone needs to explain this to the left.

Yeah, I noticed that. Democratic drones (this isn't all liberals) have tendency to group any opposition to the worst of Republican party. It's an obvious strategy to dismiss what one has to say wholesale without having to actually consider validity of their positions.

That said, I think too often Republicans aren't vocal enough against their more extreme fellow party members in defense of their own positions. I mean get that whole united front thing but if you stay quiet when the crazy ones are on the podium then you are effectively letting them to be the voice of the party. Trump is a perfect example, and I know internally GOP has had a helluva time to keep him on a short leash. On the particular issue of gay marriages, plenty of prominent Republicans have publicly supported of (including Dick Cheney and both W's dad Bush Sr and his wife Laura Bush).

One statistic has shown that 1/2 of republican primary voters believe that Obama is a Muslim.

Another Study showed that the majority of republicans believe that the economy has gotten worse since Obama was elected, when the opposite is true.

This isn't a minority.

The majority of Republicans are ignorant when it comes to notable issues.

Remember that whole birther movement? That should be proof enough that the Republican party holds ignorance up as one of it's fundamental ideals.

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@servomaster said:
@bmanva said:
@servomaster said:
@Solaryellow said:
@GreySeal9 said:

There is never an honest discussion on statistics though: conservatives often use statistics as excuse to validate their negative feelings about minorities instead of genuinely trying to understand why those statistics exist and what can be done to fix the problem.

And yes, some people do abuse the race card and make it harder to have a constructive discussion about race relations, but simply pointing out institutional or subtle racism does not mean one is playing the race card. I find it troubling that certain conservative folks wish to portray any mention of racial inequality as race-baiting as a way of sweeping the issue under the rug.

The honesty surrounding stats is they are only favored when it supports a viewpoint.

First off, no one needs any excuse to like or dislike anyone. In America we have the freedom to do just that w/o rhyme or reason or cause. How and why the statistic exists does not negate such statistic. When someone looks more cautiously at a group over another group based on actions, the liberal reaction is to call racism. Poppycock.

Have you ever heard of the boy who cried wolf? EVERY TIME a conservative says anything in regards to race or minorities it is called racism by the left. Unfortunately that's the sate we are in.

If the Republicans weren't blatantly racist or xenophobic all the time then maybe the small number legitimate concerns wouldn't get thrown out with the mountains of bigotry.

The republicans just cry wolf, being racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic over and over and over, so when there actually is a wolf, nobody listens.

Hopefully the party grows up, but I don't expect much from them.

How are Republicans "blatantly" racist? I mean you do understand the term correctly right?

As for xenophobia, as I already mentioned in a previous reply, every party has their boogeyman, for republicans it's Muslims and democrats it's guns, both are equally ridiculous.

Muslims are a group of people, guns are weapons.

Did you really just compare a group of humans to weapons as though that's a legitimate thing to say?

Just look at the policies of the republicans and how they blatantly support one group over another, notice how they pretend that there's racial equality in this country.

Again you missed the point by a mile. Point is they are all irrational fears.

What policies? Be more specific. If anything Democrats with their support of affirmative actions in workplace and schools are more fitting of your description of "blatantly support one group over another". On the other hand, almost all Republican condemned Trump's position after he proposed a "Muslim travel ban".

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@bmanva said:
@servomaster said:
@bmanva said:
@servomaster said:
@Solaryellow said:

The honesty surrounding stats is they are only favored when it supports a viewpoint.

First off, no one needs any excuse to like or dislike anyone. In America we have the freedom to do just that w/o rhyme or reason or cause. How and why the statistic exists does not negate such statistic. When someone looks more cautiously at a group over another group based on actions, the liberal reaction is to call racism. Poppycock.

Have you ever heard of the boy who cried wolf? EVERY TIME a conservative says anything in regards to race or minorities it is called racism by the left. Unfortunately that's the sate we are in.

If the Republicans weren't blatantly racist or xenophobic all the time then maybe the small number legitimate concerns wouldn't get thrown out with the mountains of bigotry.

The republicans just cry wolf, being racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic over and over and over, so when there actually is a wolf, nobody listens.

Hopefully the party grows up, but I don't expect much from them.

How are Republicans "blatantly" racist? I mean you do understand the term correctly right?

As for xenophobia, as I already mentioned in a previous reply, every party has their boogeyman, for republicans it's Muslims and democrats it's guns, both are equally ridiculous.

Muslims are a group of people, guns are weapons.

Did you really just compare a group of humans to weapons as though that's a legitimate thing to say?

Just look at the policies of the republicans and how they blatantly support one group over another, notice how they pretend that there's racial equality in this country.

Again you missed the point by a mile. Point is they are all irrational fears.

What policies? Be more specific. If anything Democrats with their support of affirmative actions in workplace and schools are more fitting of your description of "blatantly support one group over another". On the other hand, almost all Republican condemned Trump's position after he proposed a "Muslim travel ban".

lol, your comment crossed a lot of lines and you don't even realize it.

Certain groups need more help than others.

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@servomaster said:
@bmanva said:
@Solaryellow said:
@bmanva said:

How are Republicans "blatantly" racist? I mean you do understand the term correctly right?

As for xenophobia, as I already mentioned in a previous reply, every party has their boogeyman, for republicans it's Muslims and democrats it's guns, both are equally ridiculous.

The left is notorious for condemning someone as hateful, racist, etc.., anytime they (righty) mention something that can be construed as negative when it comes to someone in the minority. Not supporting a lifestyle does not mean you hate the person. Someone needs to explain this to the left.

Yeah, I noticed that. Democratic drones (this isn't all liberals) have tendency to group any opposition to the worst of Republican party. It's an obvious strategy to dismiss what one has to say wholesale without having to actually consider validity of their positions.

That said, I think too often Republicans aren't vocal enough against their more extreme fellow party members in defense of their own positions. I mean get that whole united front thing but if you stay quiet when the crazy ones are on the podium then you are effectively letting them to be the voice of the party. Trump is a perfect example, and I know internally GOP has had a helluva time to keep him on a short leash. On the particular issue of gay marriages, plenty of prominent Republicans have publicly supported of (including Dick Cheney and both W's dad Bush Sr and his wife Laura Bush).

One statistic has shown that 1/2 of republican primary voters believe that Obama is a Muslim.

Another Study showed that the majority of republicans believe that the economy has gotten worse since Obama was elected, when the opposite is true.

This isn't a minority.

The majority of Republicans are ignorant when it comes to notable issues.

Remember that whole birther movement? That should be proof enough that the Republican party holds ignorance up as one of it's fundamental ideals.

The first poll is BS and here's why: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/09/01/breaking-54-of-republicans-think-president-obama-is-a-muslim-but-probably-not/

As for the second one, it's irrelevant to the topic of racism.

Here's a better survey of attitude toward race between members of the two parties. http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/are-white-republicans-more-racist-than-white-democrats/

As of 2012, this index stood at 27 percent for white Republicans and 19 percent for white Democrats. So there’s a partisan gap, although not as large of one as some political commentators might assert. There are white racists in both parties. By most questions, they represent a minority of white voters in both parties. They probably represent a slightly larger minority of white Republicans than white Democrats.

Racist individuals are in fact minority in GOP (as they are in Democrat albeit slightly smaller minority). Claiming otherwise is nothing more than simple mud slinging.

I also remember John McCain correcting a Republican support when she claimed Obama was a Muslim.

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@servomaster said:
@bmanva said:
@servomaster said:
@bmanva said:
@servomaster said:

If the Republicans weren't blatantly racist or xenophobic all the time then maybe the small number legitimate concerns wouldn't get thrown out with the mountains of bigotry.

The republicans just cry wolf, being racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic over and over and over, so when there actually is a wolf, nobody listens.

Hopefully the party grows up, but I don't expect much from them.

How are Republicans "blatantly" racist? I mean you do understand the term correctly right?

As for xenophobia, as I already mentioned in a previous reply, every party has their boogeyman, for republicans it's Muslims and democrats it's guns, both are equally ridiculous.

Muslims are a group of people, guns are weapons.

Did you really just compare a group of humans to weapons as though that's a legitimate thing to say?

Just look at the policies of the republicans and how they blatantly support one group over another, notice how they pretend that there's racial equality in this country.

Again you missed the point by a mile. Point is they are all irrational fears.

What policies? Be more specific. If anything Democrats with their support of affirmative actions in workplace and schools are more fitting of your description of "blatantly support one group over another". On the other hand, almost all Republican condemned Trump's position after he proposed a "Muslim travel ban".

lol, your comment crossed a lot of lines and you don't even realize it.

Certain groups need more help than others.

Or you are just making connections that aren't there in the first place.

So let me get this straight, when Republicans "blatantly support one group over another" it's blatant racism. When Democrat does it, it's not? If you define racism as "support one [racial] group over another", then how do you not see the contradiction?

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@bmanva said:
@servomaster said:
@bmanva said:
@Solaryellow said:
@bmanva said:

How are Republicans "blatantly" racist? I mean you do understand the term correctly right?

As for xenophobia, as I already mentioned in a previous reply, every party has their boogeyman, for republicans it's Muslims and democrats it's guns, both are equally ridiculous.

The left is notorious for condemning someone as hateful, racist, etc.., anytime they (righty) mention something that can be construed as negative when it comes to someone in the minority. Not supporting a lifestyle does not mean you hate the person. Someone needs to explain this to the left.

Yeah, I noticed that. Democratic drones (this isn't all liberals) have tendency to group any opposition to the worst of Republican party. It's an obvious strategy to dismiss what one has to say wholesale without having to actually consider validity of their positions.

That said, I think too often Republicans aren't vocal enough against their more extreme fellow party members in defense of their own positions. I mean get that whole united front thing but if you stay quiet when the crazy ones are on the podium then you are effectively letting them to be the voice of the party. Trump is a perfect example, and I know internally GOP has had a helluva time to keep him on a short leash. On the particular issue of gay marriages, plenty of prominent Republicans have publicly supported of (including Dick Cheney and both W's dad Bush Sr and his wife Laura Bush).

One statistic has shown that 1/2 of republican primary voters believe that Obama is a Muslim.

Another Study showed that the majority of republicans believe that the economy has gotten worse since Obama was elected, when the opposite is true.

This isn't a minority.

The majority of Republicans are ignorant when it comes to notable issues.

Remember that whole birther movement? That should be proof enough that the Republican party holds ignorance up as one of it's fundamental ideals.

The first poll is BS and here's why: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/09/01/breaking-54-of-republicans-think-president-obama-is-a-muslim-but-probably-not/

As for the second one, it's irrelevant to the topic of racism.

Here's a better survey of attitude toward race between members of the two parties. http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/are-white-republicans-more-racist-than-white-democrats/

As of 2012, this index stood at 27 percent for white Republicans and 19 percent for white Democrats. So there’s a partisan gap, although not as large of one as some political commentators might assert. There are white racists in both parties. By most questions, they represent a minority of white voters in both parties. They probably represent a slightly larger minority of white Republicans than white Democrats.

Racist individuals are in fact minority in GOP (as they are in Democrat albeit slightly smaller minority). Claiming otherwise is nothing more than simple mud slinging.

I also remember John McCain correcting a Republican support when she claimed Obama was a Muslim.

You realize that article is an opinion piece right? I kinda suspect you didn't read it.

your second source sites a ton of statistics that show republicans to be racist. Again, I don't think you read what you posted.

Everything you posted backs up what I've said.

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@Solaryellow said:
@comp_atkins said:

Simply stating the underlined fact would not merit the race card. It is where people typically go NEXT that pulls it out.

They'll say something like "how come these people can't get their act together?" or like you did (paraphrasing) "it's been 150 years already, what's their problem?" Making the judgment or implication that a population is somehow inferior based on the underlined fact.

See the difference? Stating a fact is OK, implying judgment when you do not know ALL the facts, as GreySeal mentioned, is where you get in trouble...

Allow me to correct your misinterpretation. The 150 year comment was in regards to the Civil War and the termination of slavery. Back then these people were treated as animals and as such, the government has tried to make contrition for its past misdeeds. Are you clear now?

You are correct, I did misinterpret what you had written ( hastily read ). thanks

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@Solaryellow:

The Black population is disproportionately represented when it comes to welfare, crime, etc.., Ignoring it and pouting won't make it go away.

And why might this be?

Pretending this country has not bent over backwards for the treatment of this community from 150 years ago doesn't make it any less true.

You mean 50 years right? And no, it has not "bent over backwards", its more akin to "band-aiding". The Governments policy in working with Blacks/Africans is as laughable now as it was then.

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@wizard said:

@Solaryellow:

The Black population is disproportionately represented when it comes to welfare, crime, etc.., Ignoring it and pouting won't make it go away.

And why might this be?

Pretending this country has not bent over backwards for the treatment of this community from 150 years ago doesn't make it any less true.

You mean 50 years right? And no, it has not "bent over backwards", its more akin to "band-aiding". The Governments policy in working with Blacks/Africans is as laughable now as it was then.

No. I said 150 years and I meant 150 years in regards to the ending of slavery. The Civil Rights Act wasn't even mentioned.

The reasons for such a disproportionate representation stem from the lack of education, perhaps poverty, high rate of birth out of wedlock, etc.., None of these factors are stuck primarily with one group and none of these factors excuse such behavior(s).

Again, this topic is not germane to this discussion as it was a mere example used to show how the left will classify anyone as racist and hateful for mentioning such a thing. I stand by my original comments nor will I be dissuaded.

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@Solaryellow:

The reasons for such a disproportionate representation stem from the lack of education, WHY?

perhaps poverty, "Perhaps"? Are you serious? Also, WHY?

high rate of birth out of wedlock, etc.., WHY?

None of these factors are stuck primarily with one group and none of these factors excuse such behavior(s).

These factors disproportionate to the Black population due to slavery, segregation, the so called "war on drugs" and the vacuum of inner-city education. They are not excusable, they are explainable. You are naming effect, and ignoring the cause.

Again, this topic is not germane to this discussion as it was a mere example used to show how the left will classify anyone as racist and hateful for mentioning such a thing. I stand by my original comments nor will I be dissuaded.

Facts are facts. They are irrelevant to your right wing politics. The far left may be nuts, but they at least understand that they aren't beholden to wizardry like the "curious case of the black population". It's why they call the right racist.

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Social conservatives are so backasswards. Only care about homeless people, when they can use them as a talking point for xenophobia of refugees, Criticize Muslims and call them all extremists eventhough fundamentalist radical islamists have more in common with christian uber conservatives(anti gay, sexually repressive, gun loving) then most moderate muslims do, Cherry pick facts eventhough they have very litte science to back them up. Thanks these billionaire one per centers actually give a damn about them, so they gladly support policies that rob themselves blind to support corporate America. Spouts venom and false rhetoric about every group that isn't part of mainstream America, but recoils like bratty children when called out to answer for what they say "bu bu but 1st amendment, your taking my right awayy when you question me wanting to deny other peoples rights". And love to throw out the word PC and call everyone else offended, but gets mad at starbucks over a CUP.

These people are led by Sarah Palin, Ted Cruz, Donald Trump, a brain surgeon without a brain, and zombie Reagan. These fools want to start WW3 but you know their kids wont be fighting it.

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@THE_DRUGGIE: using a conjunction at the beginning of a sentence is not necessarily improper. It varies.