Don't we already have equal marriage rights?

[QUOTE="Devour2Survive"]Good, then don't get married in a church and nobody will have a problem with it.GabuEx

[QUOTE="GabuEx"][QUOTE="Devour2Survive"]Good, then don't get married in a church and nobody will have a problem with it.Devour2Survive

I'm saying, same sex marriage shouldn't be allowed and most people agree with me. Devour2Survive

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] How does a child who is exposed to a family with two moms or two dads constitute as a bad thing? Are their children going to suddenly turn gay from seeing that? What is this mass recall of school text books? Do you have any evidence of any of that? -Sun_Tzu-

Education Code Section 51933:

(7) Instruction and materials shall teach respect for marriage and committed relationships.

[QUOTE="Devour2Survive"]I'm saying, same sex marriage shouldn't be allowed and most people agree with me. GabuEx

[QUOTE="GabuEx"][QUOTE="Devour2Survive"] Nobody will have a problem with gays not being allowed to get married. What are you talking about majority of the population? Is that why it's against the law in almost every state.Devour2Survive

So just because the majority agrees on something automatically makes it right?

Practically everybody back in the 15th & 16th century found it appropriate to burn so-called "witches" at the stake; does that make them right?

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]With all due respect here, it is not about you. It's about the bigger picture. So even though you feel as if homosexuality should be a way of life and kids should learn it, the majority of people do not, and just because the majority doesn't believe in it doesn't mean that they don't believe in equal rights because they're still people and they deserve equal rights. Not believing in gay marriage is not bigotry because it's defined between a man and woman so they're not saying they don't believe in equal rights to gay couples and because of that, people accept homosexuality in today's society. Qooroo

With all due respect, the interests of the majority means exactly nothing in this context.

Yes, this is about the bigger picture. Not beliving in gay marriage is bigotry because it is giving the finger to equal rights. I don't care why you think that, that's how it is. You country, like mine, has this fun little sheet of paper calls the constitution that promises equal rights. It's also nifty in that is superscedes the majority's will.

Civil unions create a different but equal situation.

Different but equal is not equal according to the constitution. It doesn't matter what the motivation for the difference is. Civil unions are different than marriages but supposedly equal in effect. Therefore giving homosexual couples civil union priveleges but not marriage priveleges is unconstitutional.

The constitution superscedes the majority.

This is a fairly straightforward issue.

Again, it's not about you. The majority of parents don't want it, therefor would be wrong to do so.LikeHaterade

[QUOTE="Devour2Survive"][QUOTE="GabuEx"] I don't really know what you're saying here.-Jiggles-

So just because the majority agrees on something automatically makes it right?

Practically everybody back in the 15th & 16th century found it appropriate to burn so-called "witches" at the stake; does that make them right?

"Go ahead and get married," I say to the gays. "But don't interfere with the church's right to refuse to marry each other in the process." ;)battlefront23

If that is what the people want.

Devour2Survive

Are you familiar with this thing called the Constitution? :P

Yes, at the expense of what parent's children must learn because the minority said so?? Doesn't seem right to me.LikeHaterade

There's this little thing called the Constitution; its entire purpose is to make the minority win when the majority tries to walk on them. Arguing that the majority's will must be done is quite possibly one of the most un-American things that someone could say.

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] How does a child who is exposed to a family with two moms or two dads constitute as a bad thing? Are their children going to suddenly turn gay from seeing that? What is this mass recall of school text books? Do you have any evidence of any of that? -Sun_Tzu-

Education Code Section 51933:

(7) Instruction and materials shall teach respect for marriage and committed relationships.

I heard news of gay activists terrorizing churches for speaking out against homosexuality. That's what I have a problem with; the church should have the right to say whatever the heck they want without fear of gays attacking them, whether verbally or physically.battlefront23

There are idiots and extremists in every group. When gay marriage was legalized nationwide in Canada, churches were perfectly free to refuse to marry same-sex couples, just as they're free to refuse to marry opposite-sex couples. I have no doubt that the same thing would be true if it were legalized in America.

There are idiots and extremists in every group. When gay marriage was legalized nationwide in Canada, churches were perfectly free to refuse to marry same-sex couples, just as they're free to refuse to marry opposite-sex couples. I have no doubt that the same thing would be true if it were legalized in America.

 

GabuEx

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"]Why would they care if the kids learned about homosexual relationships if they didn't think they were in some way bad?Mr_sprinkles

But I heard that if a pastor speaks out against it in Canada, he is arrested. :| May not be true, but if it is, that's utterly ridiculous. battlefront23

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]There are idiots and extremists in every group. When gay marriage was legalized nationwide in Canada, churches were perfectly free to refuse to marry same-sex couples, just as they're free to refuse to marry opposite-sex couples. I have no doubt that the same thing would be true if it were legalized in America.

 

battlefront23

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]But I heard that if a pastor speaks out against it in Canada, he is arrested. :| May not be true, but if it is, that's utterly ridiculous. GabuEx

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"] Parents have a problem with their kids learning it in school, especially at younger ages. Homosexuality is something that kids can learn on their own, and not forced for kids to learn when the majority is against it.LikeHaterade

same could be said about colored people... 

That's good. I'm just afraid it will get to that point eventually, everywhere...battlefront23

Well, as gay marriage becomes more common and people realize that the fabric of society has not, in fact, fallen apart as a result, I have a strong feeling that opposition to gay marriage will become like opposition to interracial marriage... but that's more a social thing than a legal thing.

same could be said about colored people...

 

links136

[QUOTE="links136"]same could be said about colored people...

 

battlefront23

Is there a gene that says someone is straight? 

... people realize that the fabric of society has not, in fact, fallen apart as a result... GabuEx

[QUOTE="links136"]same could be said about colored people...

 

battlefront23

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]... people realize that the fabric of society has not, in fact, fallen apart as a result... battlefront23

being that half of them divorce...... 

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]... people realize that the fabric of society has not, in fact, fallen apart as a result... battlefront23

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]... people realize that the fabric of society has not, in fact, fallen apart as a result... battlefront23

I see this argument a lot and I don't think it works. Homosexuals aren't born homosexual, I repeat, they are not born homosexual. First off, sexual tendencies aren't created when you're born... And secondly, they've yet to find a gene saying homosexuals are that way. battlefront23

They've done studies on the brain patterns of homosexual people and heterosexual people. What they found is that the brains of homosexual men are similar to those of heterosexual women. This would indicate that, far from it being a choice, the brains of gay people are fundamentally different than the brains of their heterosexual counterparts, and that, if we were wanting to change a person's sexual preference, we would need to effectively perform a full lobotomy.

Whether this is due to birth or due to something that happens at a very young age during early brain development, the fact remains that all the evidence indicates that homosexuality is neither a choice nor something that can be changed, but is rather a fundamental part of a person's very being.

Is there a gene that says someone is straight?

 

links136

[QUOTE="links136"]Is there a gene that says someone is straight?

 

battlefront23

back that up 

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]... people realize that the fabric of society has not, in fact, fallen apart as a result... battlefront23

Yeah, I hear this argument a lot, but it makes no sense. Allowing gay people to marry does not exactly do anything to prevent heterosexual people from marrying. Nor does it change the fact that only a man and a woman can create children. We allow infertile people to marry, as we allow people who do not desire children to marry. And we allow people to have children without being married. There is absolutely nothing confusing about allowing gay people to marry that is not already in place through these other facts.

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]... people realize that the fabric of society has not, in fact, fallen apart as a result... Mr_sprinkles

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]... people realize that the fabric of society has not, in fact, fallen apart as a result... battlefront23

Look at all of the successful people we've seen in our world. How many had both parents when they grew up? Even Obama, who only had a single mom, had a father figure in his life with his grandfather.battlefront23

Right, so we should make divorce illegal... yes?