Don't we already have equal marriage rights?

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="links136"]Is there a gene that says someone is straight?

 

links136

back that up 

[QUOTE="links136"]Is there a gene that says someone is straight?

 

battlefront23

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]Look at all of the successful people we've seen in our world. How many had both parents when they grew up? Even Obama, who only had a single mom, had a father figure in his life with his grandfather.GabuEx

Right, so we should make divorce illegal... yes?

[QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="battlefront23"] Did I say that there was? I'm just saying the whole "They were born with it" just doesn't work... A lot of times, a kid's sense or concept of "sex" was tampered with early on, (many different ways) and although a boy may have felt a sudden attraction to one of his male friends, that doesn't mean he's gay and our society and media is shoving it down these kids throats that they are. It's frustrating...
battlefront23

back that up

*facepalm*

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]Look at all of the successful people we've seen in our world. How many had both parents when they grew up? Even Obama, who only had a single mom, had a father figure in his life with his grandfather.battlefront23

Right, so we should make divorce illegal... yes?

Yes you did, when you said children need both a father and mother meaning no one should divorce. 

Did I say that? I'm sicking of speaking out and getting attacked on this site... Gah people. Seriously, how the hell can I respond to five people at a time?battlefront23

Uh, attacking you? All I'm doing is replying to your statements; would you prefer it if people did not respond to what you say? :P

At any rate, my point is that, if you believe that children should always be raised by both parents, then you should support making divorce illegal, as it is by far the biggest cause of children being raised by single parents.

Also, did you see my post a while back about studies on the brains of gay people?

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]

 

Right, so we should make divorce illegal... yes?

links136

Yes you did, when you said children need both a father and mother meaning no one should divorce.

No you made assumptions... I never, ever said people who grow up with single parents CAN'T be successful, I said it's less likely. :roll:battlefront23

How exactly will making gay marriage illegal make people less likely to grow up with both parents, anyway? I'm not sure of the relevance of this line of discussion.

[QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="battlefront23"] Did I say that? I'm sicking of speaking out and getting attacked on this site... Gah people. Seriously, how the hell can I respond to five people at a time?battlefront23

Yes you did, when you said children need both a father and mother meaning no one should divorce.

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]Did I say that? I'm sicking of speaking out and getting attacked on this site... Gah people. Seriously, how the hell can I respond to five people at a time?GabuEx

Uh, attacking you? All I'm doing is replying to your statements; would you prefer it if people did not respond to what you say? :P

At any rate, my point is that, if you believe that children should always be raised by both parents, then you should support making divorce illegal, as it is by far the biggest cause of children being raised by single parents.

Also, did you see my post a while back about studies on the brains of gay people?

EDIT: I did see the article and I explained it in another post. 

[QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="battlefront23"] Did I say that? I'm sicking of speaking out and getting attacked on this site... Gah people. Seriously, how the hell can I respond to five people at a time?battlefront23

Yes you did, when you said children need both a father and mother meaning no one should divorce.

so if single parents can be fine why can't 2 moms or 2 dads?

  there's nothing stopping a homosexual man from marrying a woman. 

mysterylobster

Except for the whole "finding their physiology repulsive" thing.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]Did I say that? I'm sicking of speaking out and getting attacked on this site... Gah people. Seriously, how the hell can I respond to five people at a time?battlefront23

Uh, attacking you? All I'm doing is replying to your statements; would you prefer it if people did not respond to what you say? :P

At any rate, my point is that, if you believe that children should always be raised by both parents, then you should support making divorce illegal, as it is by far the biggest cause of children being raised by single parents.

Also, did you see my post a while back about studies on the brains of gay people?

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="battlefront23"] Shut up with that crap dude. I'm not homophobic and I hate it when people say that. Was there anything fearful in that post? No, it was frustration. Not at the gays, at the media. People. :roll:battlefront23

Enough with the homophobia accusations, people. Discuss the topic, not the debaters.GabuEx

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="links136"]

 

Yes you did, when you said children need both a father and mother meaning no one should divorce.

-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Haven't you said that homosexuality is immoral? Seems pretty homophobia to me. :?Funky_Llama

No kidding.

"I don't hate gay people, just everything they do" 

EDIT: I did see the article and I explained it in another post. 

battlefront23

Where's that? I can't find it.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="battlefront23"] How the HELL is that homophobic, at all? HOW? :|links136

No kidding.

"I don't hate gay people, just everything they do" 

Seriously people, stop. This line of dialog does nothing to further the argument and only serves to squelch any hope of having a productive discussion.

[QUOTE="links136"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]You're not taking what seems to be 'national gang up on battlefront day' very well, are you? :P Anyway... if I said that black people were bad people, wouldn't that seem racist to you? If I said that men are innately morally superior to women, wouldn't that be sexist?GabuEx

No kidding.

"I don't hate gay people, just everything they do"

Seriously people, stop. This line of dialog does nothing to further the argument and only serves to squelch any hope of having a productive discussion.

it was squashed before the op.   

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="battlefront23"] No you made assumptions... I never, ever said people who grow up with single parents CAN'T be successful, I said it's less likely. :roll:battlefront23

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Haven't you said that homosexuality is immoral? Seems pretty homophobia to me. :?Funky_Llama

No I obviously don't see. How is a spouse a douche for filing for divorce? That's a pretty bold statement. And I still don't see how this whole "child needs a mother and father" argument against gay marriage works if there are an overwhelming amount of counterexamples that prove that statement to be wrong.-Sun_Tzu-

What I don't understand is how gay marriage means more children will grow up without both parents. That needs to be true in order for this line of reasoning to even have any relevance.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="battlefront23"] How the HELL is that homophobic, at all? HOW? :|battlefront23

No kidding.

 

"I don't hate gay people, just everything they do"

links136

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="battlefront23"] How the HELL is that homophobic, at all? HOW? :|battlefront23

I wonder if the friends know that 

[QUOTE="links136"]No kidding.

 

"I don't hate gay people, just everything they do"

battlefront23

You know, it takes two to tango; I'm trying my best to get people off your back, but it will also require you to stop replying to everything they say and thus stoking the fire. :P

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]No I obviously don't see. How is a spouse a douche for filing for divorce? That's a pretty bold statement. And I still don't see how this whole "child needs a mother and father" argument against gay marriage works if there are an overwhelming amount of counterexamples that prove that statement to be wrong.GabuEx

What I don't understand is how gay marriage means more children will grow up without both parents. That needs to be true in order for this line of reasoning to even have any relevance.

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]You're not taking what seems to be 'national gang up on battlefront day' very well, are you? :P Anyway... if I said that black people were bad people, wouldn't that seem racist to you? If I said that men are innately morally superior to women, wouldn't that be sexist?links136

I wonder if the friends know that 

Both parents meaning one male, one female. Sorry for not clarifying, I was a little busy. battlefront23

Yes... but gay couples can't have children. They can adopt, but single people can also adopt, and the issue of gay adoption is an entirely different issue than gay marriage. Again, I don't see how gay marriage will make less children grow up without both parents.

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="links136"]No kidding.

 

"I don't hate gay people, just everything they do"

GabuEx

You know, it takes two to tango; I'm trying my best to get people off your back, but it will also require you to stop replying to everything they say and thus stoking the fire. :P

You know, it takes two to tango; I'm trying my best to get people off your back, but it will also require you to stop replying to everything they say and thus stoking the fire. :P

GabuEx

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]No I obviously don't see. How is a spouse a douche for filing for divorce? That's a pretty bold statement. And I still don't see how this whole "child needs a mother and father" argument against gay marriage works if there are an overwhelming amount of counterexamples that prove that statement to be wrong.GabuEx

What I don't understand is how gay marriage means more children will grow up without both parents. That needs to be true in order for this line of reasoning to even have any relevance.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

You know, it takes two to tango; I'm trying my best to get people off your back, but it will also require you to stop replying to everything they say and thus stoking the fire. :P

battlefront23

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]Both parents meaning one male, one female. Sorry for not clarifying, I was a little busy. GabuEx

Yes... but gay couples can't have children. They can adopt, but single people can also adopt, and the issue of gay adoption is an entirely different issue than gay marriage. Again, I don't see how gay marriage will make less children grow up without both parents.

True. I think they shouldn't be allowed to adopt. Does that make sense now? Anyway, I got to go seeing that it is Thanksgiving. Thanks for not calling me homophobic. :Pbattlefront23

Which I think is a fair position, assuming you also don't support allowing single people to adopt.

But leaving for Thanksgiving!? What better way to spend Thanksgiving than debating the merits of gay marriage? :P

It's all just fear mongering. -Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]Both parents meaning one male, one female. Sorry for not clarifying, I was a little busy. battlefront23

Yes... but gay couples can't have children. They can adopt, but single people can also adopt, and the issue of gay adoption is an entirely different issue than gay marriage. Again, I don't see how gay marriage will make less children grow up without both parents.

yep, absolutely nothing against gays.:roll:

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] It's all just fear mongering. battlefront23

yep, absolutely nothing against gays.:roll:

links136

You can find heroin addiction terrible without finding addicts terrible. That's not to say that heroin addiction is akin to homosexuality, but it's the same thought process that leads to people finding homosexuality immoral without having anything against homosexual people.

At any rate, I've never quite understood why people think that armchair psychology accomplishes anything. Calling someone homophobic only serves to put the person on the defensive and make him or her unlikely to listen to anything you have to say.

[QUOTE="links136"]

yep, absolutely nothing against gays.:roll:

GabuEx

You can find heroin addiction terrible without finding addicts terrible. That's not to say that heroin addiction is akin to homosexuality, but it's the same thought process that leads to people finding homosexuality immoral without having anything against homosexual people.

At any rate, I've never quite understood why people think that armchair psychology accomplishes anything. Calling someone homophobic only serves to put the person on the defensive and make him or her unlikely to listen to anything you have to say.

actually, we're just using his logic against him.  BASELESS STATEMENTS FOR THE WIN 

[QUOTE="GabuEx"][QUOTE="links136"]

yep, absolutely nothing against gays.:roll:

links136

You can find heroin addiction terrible without finding addicts terrible. That's not to say that heroin addiction is akin to homosexuality, but it's the same thought process that leads to people finding homosexuality immoral without having anything against homosexual people.

At any rate, I've never quite understood why people think that armchair psychology accomplishes anything. Calling someone homophobic only serves to put the person on the defensive and make him or her unlikely to listen to anything you have to say.

actually, we're just using his logic against him.  BASELESS STATEMENTS FOR THE WIN