Don't we already have equal marriage rights?

[QUOTE="GabuEx"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]Marriage is defined as the union of a man and a woman, not a man and whomever that man desires.Stevo_the_gamer

Why do you guys care so much about gay marriage? It baffles me. Is it so you can just argue? Anyway marriage is a sacred bond between only a man and a woman, as God intended and commanded. Gays don't have the right to have that privilege. Surprising how many atheists there are on this forum...Solid_Snake325

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"] No it would not and this is the last time I will say it. A gay person that had a previous attraction to the opposite sex this is now gay means they lost that previous attraction due to experience with the same sex. You can't change the fact that they WERE attracted to the opposite sex. LikeHaterade

These "converted" gay people were not influenced at all by their surroundings, or any other effect. The only reason they "converted" was because they had an experience with the same sex.

Ok, so using that logic, wouldn't the same apply to a child being taught to respect the gay community? If their surroundings have no influence on their orientation, then how would teaching a kid it's alright to be gay turn the kid gay if teaching a kid it's ok to be straight doesn't make them "deullusionally" staight.

That they aren't doesn't mean that they shouldn't be. In the case of the black and civil rights movements, at the time they weren't a protected class.Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Many people believe that they are straight when they are in fact gay because everyone else around them is straight, so they feel comfortable being "straight", and they marry the opposite sex, they have kids and they raise a family. But a man marrying a woman doesn't make him straight. There is an overwhelming amount of people who question their sexuality every day. There is no clear cut line between heterosexuality and homosexuality. These people who seemed to have "converted" are just realizing that they never were really straight. And there is absolutely no proof that a child being taught to respect the gay community will suddenly go from being straight to gay -Sun_Tzu-

Ah so now you're putting words in my mouth? Did I say I was referring to every single gay person that I was using for my example? No I didn't. The fact that those gay people that support my argument do exist disproves yours.

Felt like postin'. 

Felt like postin'.Nude_Dude

Ah so now you're putting words in my mouth? Did I say I was referring to every single gay person that I was using for my example? No I didn't. The fact that those gay people that support my argument do exist disproves yours.

 

LikeHaterade

 

Felt like postin'. 

Nude_Dude

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]Ah so now you're putting words in my mouth? Did I say I was referring to every single gay person that I was using for my example? No I didn't. The fact that those gay people that support my argument do exist disproves yours.

 

-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]That they aren't doesn't mean that they shouldn't be. In the case of the black and civil rights movements, at the time they weren't a protected class.Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="ithilgore2006"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"] Stop avoiding the fact that there are gay people today that were originally attracted to the opposite sex. I'm not talking about gays that were "in the closet."LikeHaterade

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]Ah so now you're putting words in my mouth? Did I say I was referring to every single gay person that I was using for my example? No I didn't. The fact that those gay people that support my argument do exist disproves yours.

 

LikeHaterade

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"][QUOTE="ithilgore2006"] And how is it you know that to be a fact?ithilgore2006

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] What word's did I put in your mouth? Did you not say that the "fact" that people turn from straight to gay has nothing to do with their surrounding? Did you not say that teaching kids to respect the gay community would have an effect on them implying that because they are being taught tolerance that they might turn gay-Sun_Tzu-

Lol then you're wrong. Unless you're calling those gay people liars.LikeHaterade

...what are you talking about? Re-read my post's please. I was just pointing out a massive hole in your logic. I wasn't calling anybody liars.

They aren't the product of a conscious action. Vandelvideo's argument was pathetic, mixing up a likely indicator of homosexuality with homosexulity itself. Homosexuality is attraction to others of the same gender. That is not voluntary.Funky_Llama

Vandel's argument set you in place and was very strong, and had very good retorts each time you responded -- I even pitied you considering how persistent you were, yet failed each time. I even have the link to the very thread if you want further proof, lad. Don't worry though, it's human nature to believe as though you're correct even when you're proved wrong.Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="Nude_Dude"]Felt like postin'.Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]Lol then you're wrong. Unless you're calling those gay people liars.-Sun_Tzu-

...what are you talking about? Re-read my post's please. I was just pointing out a massive hole in your logic. I wasn't calling anybody liars.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"] No it would not and this is the last time I will say it. A gay person that had a previous attraction to the opposite sex this is now gay means they lost that previous attraction due to experience with the same sex. You can't change the fact that they WERE attracted to the opposite sex. LikeHaterade

No it wasn't. He argued, basically, that homosexality was screwing men. He was downright wrong. It was a ridiculous argument that anyone thinking straight could see was wrong. As for the last sentence of your post... irony :lol:

Enlighten me.Funky_Llama

*yawn*

Believe as you want -- you're more than well entitled to your views, for I cannot change beliefs nor can anyone else -- opinions can change, beliefs cannot. If he was so wrong, you failed to prove why to him and he set you in place with the final reply... a reply which went ... well, unreplied. :P

I'm sorry, lad -- just give it up. And further, I'm no Vandel puppet here, I'm merely expressing how homosexuals are not a protected class.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]No it wasn't. He argued, basically, that homosexality was screwing men. He was downright wrong. It was a ridiculous argument that anyone thinking straight could see was wrong. As for the last sentence of your post... irony :lol:

Enlighten me.Stevo_the_gamer

*yawn*

Believe as you want -- you're more than well entitled to your views, for I cannot change beliefs nor can anyone else -- opinions can change, beliefs cannot. If he was so wrong, you failed to prove why to him and he set you in place with the final reply... a reply which went ... well, unreplied. :P

I'm sorry, lad -- just give it up. And further, I'm no Vandel puppet here, I'm merely expressing how homosexuals are not a protected class.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Clever graph, "nude dude". Though I am sure a few disasters are missing on there. Ha.Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]Lol then you're wrong. Unless you're calling those gay people liars.LikeHaterade

...what are you talking about? Re-read my post's please. I was just pointing out a massive hole in your logic. I wasn't calling anybody liars.

Are they? No. Can they? No. Should they? No, for homosexuality does not fall within the state's definition of minorities. Can that definition change? Possibly. Of course! Link

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Clever graph, "nude dude". Though I am sure a few disasters are missing on there. Ha.Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

 

...what are you talking about? Re-read my post's please. I was just pointing out a massive hole in your logic. I wasn't calling anybody liars.

-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="ithilgore2006"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"] If people know that someone is gay what would be the point of that person to lie about having a previous attraction to the opposite sex?LikeHaterade

What is the state's definition of minorities?Funky_Llama

Edit: Forgot to add something. The Consitution also protects minorites as well, and defines minoritys as being the well... not majority opinion. However, the federal government cannot give homosexuals marriage because... well, they're not a protected class. Always keeps going back to that I see.

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"][QUOTE="ithilgore2006"]What? You're making no sense. You said it's a "fact" that people aren't always gay they "turn" gay I asked you why that's a "fact". I'm not even sure what it is you said, a gay person is always gay whether they accept it or not, and many of them don't for a long time, then, even when they do, they hide it, and pretend to be heterosexual, simply because they're afraid of being shunned by society.ithilgore2006

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]What is the state's definition of minorities?Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"] You really need to get a clue. What would be the point of a gay person lying about how he/she was gay when everyone already knew that person was gay All you were doing was pointing out OTHER aspects to avoid the fact that there are a lot of gay people that have had previous attraction to the opposite sex before they became gay which shuts down your entire argument. Anyone with a brain stem that has been reading our posts will see how disjointed your argument is right now.LikeHaterade

But see now, you're saying two different things.

On one hand you're saying that the environment and the surroundings people are born into has nothing to do with their orientation. Only the physical act of having a sexual encounter with the same sex turned those people gay

But on the other hand you're saying that if we teach children to respect the gay community (basically, if we were to integrate this into their environment and surroundings) some previously straight individuals will suddenly turn gay because they are being taught that being gay is ok. 

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] You said that the only reason these once heterosexuals turned homosexual was because they had a sexual encounter with the same sex. You said that the "conversion" of these people had nothing to do with their surrounding. Please explain to, how teaching a straight child respect for the gay community could possibly turn them gay if their surrounding have nothing to do with their orientation. Just tell me that. -Sun_Tzu-

But see now, you're saying two different things.

On one hand you're saying that the environment and the surroundings people are born into has nothing to do with their orientation. Only the physical act of having a sexual encounter with the same sex turned those people gay

But on the other hand you're saying that if we teach children to respect the gay community (basically, if we were to integrate this into their environment and surroundings) some previously straight individuals will suddenly turn gay because they are being taught that being gay is ok. 

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"][QUOTE="ithilgore2006"]And I asked how you knew that to be a "fact"?-Sun_Tzu-

I'm going shopping so we can continue this discussion later Mr. Lockedge. :)LikeHaterade

[QUOTE="GabuEx"][QUOTE="Devour2Survive"] Nobody will have a problem with gays not being allowed to get married. What are you talking about majority of the population? Is that why it's against the law in almost every state.Devour2Survive