Ecuador grants J. Assange asylum despite British threats

[QUOTE="MrPraline"]Ecuador +1000 UK -1000 Assange always +1Ace6301

its not even rape, he hadconsensual sex without condom and thats considered assault in sweden haha

I used to be anti-wikileaks and anti-Assange, but now I'm glad he and Ecuador are giving the U.S. the middle finger. l4dak47

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/16/13311382-diplomatic-fury-as-ecuador-grants-asylum-to-wikileaks-founder-assange?lite

Ecuadorian embassy in Britain grants Assange asylum. British authorities threaten to revoke diplomatic status of embassy and arrest Assange anway to extradite him to Sweden for rape and assault charges. Ecuador gets pissed at Britain and yells, "colonial times are over". Wonder if this is a job for Soap McTavish?

sonicare

I thought Asylum requests need to have some legal basis, i.e. that the asylum seeker is being persecuted for something. If Assange is wanted for rape, that is a legitimate reason to arrest him, so I don't think that should count as persecution for the sake of asylum. I guess Ecuador must think the rape and assault charges are trumped up.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="MrPraline"]Ecuador +1000 UK -1000 Assange always +1ghostwarrior786

its not even rape, he hadconsensual sex without condom and thats considered assault in sweden haha

I thought Asylum requests need to have some legal basis, i.e. that the asylum seeker is being persecuted for something. If Assange is wanted for rape, that is a legitimate reason to arrest him, so I don't think that should count as persecution for the sake of asylum. I guess Ecuador must think the rape and assault charges are trumped up.

whipassmt

lol British threats

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[QUOTE="Ace6301"] It is indeed a pretty ballsy move by Ecuador. The rape charges are pretty silly and pretty obviously a means to get him into a place where they can try to throw heavier charges at him. If the biggest intelligence agencies in the world can only come up with him having sex without a condom as his most heinous deed then he's a decent guy.whipassmt

its not even rape, he hadconsensual sex without condom and thats considered assault in sweden haha

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[QUOTE="ghostwarrior786"]

its not even rape, he hadconsensual sex without condom and thats considered assault in sweden haha

Ace6301

[QUOTE="BranKetra"] This is obviously escalating. Hopefully, the United Kingdom does not do something so severe as dissolving the Ecuadorian embassy.MrPraline

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="BranKetra"] This is obviously escalating. Hopefully, the United Kingdom does not do something so severe as dissolving the Ecuadorian embassy.whipassmt

Apparently the Dutch are sending out secret hit squads to get Assange. He apparently assaulted Komowidjojo.

Apparently the Dutch are sending out secret hit squads to get Assange. He apparently assaulted Komowidjojo.

sonicare

I don't understand why you would protect a rapist.

I don't understand why you would protect a rapist.

TopTierHustler

read up on the case before you post. idiot

I'm really sick of hearing about this Julian Assange guy. I was sick of it the first time I heard what he was doing. They can't even catch him. It's like he's bullet proof.

So, in that case, just leave him the **** alone.

Apparently the Dutch are sending out secret hit squads to get Assange. He apparently assaulted Komowidjojo.

sonicare

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

Apparently the Dutch are sending out secret hit squads to get Assange. He apparently assaulted Komowidjojo.

whipassmt

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="seahorse123"] If they hand the over to Sweden the US will bully Sweden in giving him to them so they can kill him. Britain does not care what happens to him or what's morally right there just going with America AS USUAL seahorse123

Is it morally right to let a rapist get away scot free?

Right to all you conspiracy nuts bout the UK wanting to extradite Assange to the US, they would have done and stated it in the begining on the other hand i think this is a bad move for Assange and Ecuador in the terms of world scope and further fueling the fact this man think's he's above laws.

His supporters tend to be naive, my ideology is if your innocent you'd easily stand trial and prove your innocense in the western world kangaroo courts wouldnt exist considering the structuring and obligation only a criminal will run any innocent person would stand trail and prove their innocense something he has not.

My belief is that if Assange is innocent then he'd stand trail and not run and hide, besides the government if they really want will revoke Ecuador's consular rights and use a Warrant to get him if they really want which is possible and im sure one of the workarounds used when the SAS went into the Iranian embassy in London in the 80's similar measures might be used for this if they see fit as they have a legal obligation and agreement to extradite him to Sweden NOT the US.

Also on the matter of Sweden, despite being in the Western anglosphere they actually more fall in line wity Nordic ideologies which are far removed from the US and far more liberal and based on the rights of the person, and considering Assange could be executed if found guilty because of the nature of the crime it makes it less likey for extraditon to happen even if the US wanted to fire enough pressure Sweden would be unlikely to shift as they have their own matters to deal with Assange and want to trial him for crimes in their territory which is higher priotity.Nobel prize is a Swedish thing aswell just a bit of food for thought.

On the matter of him commiting crimes in the US it could come down to him leaking sensitive data, which in most countries is a federal crime considering the site he ran published these he is more than liable for his actions, because of the nature of the cables and the information this SHOULD NOT put him above the law despite the tin foil hat theorist's ideologies.

Right to all you conspiracy nuts bout the UK wanting to extradite Assange to the US, they would have done and stated it in the begining on the other hand i think this is a bad move for Assange and Ecuador in the terms of world scope and further fueling the fact this man think's he's above laws.

His supporters tend to be naive, my ideology is if your innocent you'd easily stand trial and prove your innocense in the western world kangaroo courts wouldnt exist considering the structuring and obligation only a criminal will run any innocent person would stand trail and prove their innocense something he has not.

My belief is that if Assange is innocent then he'd stand trail and not run and hide, besides the government if they really want will revoke Ecuador's consular rights and use a Warrant to get him if they really want which is possible and im sure one of the workarounds used when the SAS went into the Iranian embassy in London in the 80's similar measures might be used for this if they see fit as they have a legal obligation and agreement to extradite him to Sweden NOT the US.

Also on the matter of Sweden, despite being in the Western anglosphere they actually more fall in line wity Nordic ideologies which are far removed from the US and far more liberal and based on the rights of the person, and considering Assange could be executed if found guilty because of the nature of the crime it makes it less likey for extraditon to happen even if the US wanted to fire enough pressure Sweden would be unlikely to shift as they have their own matters to deal with Assange and want to trial him for crimes in their territory which is higher priotity.Nobel prize is a Swedish thing aswell just a bit of food for thought.

On the matter of him commiting crimes in the US it could come down to him leaking sensitive data, which in most countries is a federal crime considering the site he ran published these he is more than liable for his actions, because of the nature of the cables and the information this SHOULD NOT put him above the law despite the tin foil hat theorist's ideologies.

razgriz_101

The truly just people around the world should be next to Assange and Ecuador in this one.

Right to all you conspiracy nuts bout the UK wanting to extradite Assange to the US, they would have done and stated it in the begining on the other hand i think this is a bad move for Assange and Ecuador in the terms of world scope and further fueling the fact this man think's he's above laws.

His supporters tend to be naive, my ideology is if your innocent you'd easily stand trial and prove your innocense in the western world kangaroo courts wouldnt exist considering the structuring and obligation only a criminal will run any innocent person would stand trail and prove their innocense something he has not.

My belief is that if Assange is innocent then he'd stand trail and not run and hide, besides the government if they really want will revoke Ecuador's consular rights and use a Warrant to get him if they really want which is possible and im sure one of the workarounds used when the SAS went into the Iranian embassy in London in the 80's similar measures might be used for this if they see fit as they have a legal obligation and agreement to extradite him to Sweden NOT the US.

Also on the matter of Sweden, despite being in the Western anglosphere they actually more fall in line wity Nordic ideologies which are far removed from the US and far more liberal and based on the rights of the person, and considering Assange could be executed if found guilty because of the nature of the crime it makes it less likey for extraditon to happen even if the US wanted to fire enough pressure Sweden would be unlikely to shift as they have their own matters to deal with Assange and want to trial him for crimes in their territory which is higher priotity.Nobel prize is a Swedish thing aswell just a bit of food for thought.

On the matter of him commiting crimes in the US it could come down to him leaking sensitive data, which in most countries is a federal crime considering the site he ran published these he is more than liable for his actions, because of the nature of the cables and the information this SHOULD NOT put him above the law despite the tin foil hat theorist's ideologies.

razgriz_101

Assange is my hero.

Assange hasn't even been charged with anything. The official reason for why Sweden wants him extradited is to interview him (an interview that Assange has agreed to have in the UK, over the phone, through video chat, at the Ecuadorian embassy, all of which would make Assange compliant with what is legally required of him). And the only charges that he could potentially face is "minor rape" which in Sweden means having consensual sex with a woman and then having her regret it afterwards.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

Right to all you conspiracy nuts bout the UK wanting to extradite Assange to the US, they would have done and stated it in the begining on the other hand i think this is a bad move for Assange and Ecuador in the terms of world scope and further fueling the fact this man think's he's above laws.

His supporters tend to be naive, my ideology is if your innocent you'd easily stand trial and prove your innocense in the western world kangaroo courts wouldnt exist considering the structuring and obligation only a criminal will run any innocent person would stand trail and prove their innocense something he has not.

My belief is that if Assange is innocent then he'd stand trail and not run and hide, besides the government if they really want will revoke Ecuador's consular rights and use a Warrant to get him if they really want which is possible and im sure one of the workarounds used when the SAS went into the Iranian embassy in London in the 80's similar measures might be used for this if they see fit as they have a legal obligation and agreement to extradite him to Sweden NOT the US.

Also on the matter of Sweden, despite being in the Western anglosphere they actually more fall in line wity Nordic ideologies which are far removed from the US and far more liberal and based on the rights of the person, and considering Assange could be executed if found guilty because of the nature of the crime it makes it less likey for extraditon to happen even if the US wanted to fire enough pressure Sweden would be unlikely to shift as they have their own matters to deal with Assange and want to trial him for crimes in their territory which is higher priotity.Nobel prize is a Swedish thing aswell just a bit of food for thought.

On the matter of him commiting crimes in the US it could come down to him leaking sensitive data, which in most countries is a federal crime considering the site he ran published these he is more than liable for his actions, because of the nature of the cables and the information this SHOULD NOT put him above the law despite the tin foil hat theorist's ideologies.

Person0

Considering the situation we are in a loose loose situation on one hand we piss off the tin foil hat parade, on the other hand we have issues with sweden and possibly the US.

On the matter of only embarrasing the US government as one puts it, yeah putting CLASSIFIED data and information up in the public domain is a crime last time i checked that data's not meant for public consumption generall for a reason.No matter what im gonna say it you do that your playing the devils advocate you might be seen as a messiah by the silly little "activist" goons like Anonymous and pubescant forum posters but on the wider scope a lot of people see his actions as not entirely truthful and could cause more harm than the good he tries to claim they will do.

My opinion on it, its high profile the UK is in a loose loose regardless all because of this silly mans own refusal to stand trial any innocent man would stand trial and honestly i cant see why people see this hypocrite as some form of messiah because of wikileaks.

[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

Right to all you conspiracy nuts bout the UK wanting to extradite Assange to the US, they would have done and stated it in the begining on the other hand i think this is a bad move for Assange and Ecuador in the terms of world scope and further fueling the fact this man think's he's above laws.

His supporters tend to be naive, my ideology is if your innocent you'd easily stand trial and prove your innocense in the western world kangaroo courts wouldnt exist considering the structuring and obligation only a criminal will run any innocent person would stand trail and prove their innocense something he has not.

My belief is that if Assange is innocent then he'd stand trail and not run and hide, besides the government if they really want will revoke Ecuador's consular rights and use a Warrant to get him if they really want which is possible and im sure one of the workarounds used when the SAS went into the Iranian embassy in London in the 80's similar measures might be used for this if they see fit as they have a legal obligation and agreement to extradite him to Sweden NOT the US.

Also on the matter of Sweden, despite being in the Western anglosphere they actually more fall in line wity Nordic ideologies which are far removed from the US and far more liberal and based on the rights of the person, and considering Assange could be executed if found guilty because of the nature of the crime it makes it less likey for extraditon to happen even if the US wanted to fire enough pressure Sweden would be unlikely to shift as they have their own matters to deal with Assange and want to trial him for crimes in their territory which is higher priotity.Nobel prize is a Swedish thing aswell just a bit of food for thought.

On the matter of him commiting crimes in the US it could come down to him leaking sensitive data, which in most countries is a federal crime considering the site he ran published these he is more than liable for his actions, because of the nature of the cables and the information this SHOULD NOT put him above the law despite the tin foil hat theorist's ideologies.

razgriz_101

Considering the situation we are in a loose loose situation on one hand we piss off the tin foil hat parade, on the other hand we have issues with sweden and possibly the US.

On the matter of only embarrasing the US government as one puts it, yeah putting CLASSIFIED data and information up in the public domain is a crime last time i checked that data's not meant for public consumption generall for a reason.No matter what im gonna say it you do that your playing the devils advocate you might be seen as a messiah by the silly little "activist" goons like Anonymous and pubescant forum posters but on the wider scope a lot of people see his actions as not entirely truthful and could cause more harm than the good he tries to claim they will do.

My opinion on it, its high profile the UK is in a loose loose regardless all because of this silly mans own refusal to stand trial any innocent man would stand trial and honestly i cant see why people see this hypocrite as some form of messiah because of wikileaks.

[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

Right to all you conspiracy nuts bout the UK wanting to extradite Assange to the US, they would have done and stated it in the begining on the other hand i think this is a bad move for Assange and Ecuador in the terms of world scope and further fueling the fact this man think's he's above laws.

His supporters tend to be naive, my ideology is if your innocent you'd easily stand trial and prove your innocense in the western world kangaroo courts wouldnt exist considering the structuring and obligation only a criminal will run any innocent person would stand trail and prove their innocense something he has not.

My belief is that if Assange is innocent then he'd stand trail and not run and hide, besides the government if they really want will revoke Ecuador's consular rights and use a Warrant to get him if they really want which is possible and im sure one of the workarounds used when the SAS went into the Iranian embassy in London in the 80's similar measures might be used for this if they see fit as they have a legal obligation and agreement to extradite him to Sweden NOT the US.

Also on the matter of Sweden, despite being in the Western anglosphere they actually more fall in line wity Nordic ideologies which are far removed from the US and far more liberal and based on the rights of the person, and considering Assange could be executed if found guilty because of the nature of the crime it makes it less likey for extraditon to happen even if the US wanted to fire enough pressure Sweden would be unlikely to shift as they have their own matters to deal with Assange and want to trial him for crimes in their territory which is higher priotity.Nobel prize is a Swedish thing aswell just a bit of food for thought.

On the matter of him commiting crimes in the US it could come down to him leaking sensitive data, which in most countries is a federal crime considering the site he ran published these he is more than liable for his actions, because of the nature of the cables and the information this SHOULD NOT put him above the law despite the tin foil hat theorist's ideologies.

razgriz_101

Considering the situation we are in a loose loose situation on one hand we piss off the tin foil hat parade, on the other hand we have issues with sweden and possibly the US.

On the matter of only embarrasing the US government as one puts it, yeah putting CLASSIFIED data and information up in the public domain is a crime last time i checked that data's not meant for public consumption generall for a reason.No matter what im gonna say it you do that your playing the devils advocate you might be seen as a messiah by the silly little "activist" goons like Anonymous and pubescant forum posters but on the wider scope a lot of people see his actions as not entirely truthful and could cause more harm than the good he tries to claim they will do.

My opinion on it, its high profile the UK is in a loose loose regardless all because of this silly mans own refusal to stand trial any innocent man would stand trial and honestly i cant see why people see this hypocrite as some form of messiah because of wikileaks.

The person who leaked the data in the first place is in custody and being tried.Abbeten

[QUOTE="Abbeten"]The person who leaked the data in the first place is in custody and being tried.kuraimen

its been over 800 days and still no trial, haha got to love america.

Assange hasn't even been charged with anything. The official reason for why Sweden wants him extradited is to interview him (an interview that Assange has agreed to have in the UK, over the phone, through video chat, at the Ecuadorian embassy, all of which would make Assange compliant with what is legally required of him). And the only charges that he could potentially face is "minor rape" which in Sweden means having consensual sex with a woman and then having her regret it afterwards.

-Sun_Tzu-

The truly just people around the world should be next to Assange and Ecuador in this one.kuraimen

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

Apparently the Dutch are sending out secret hit squads to get Assange. He apparently assaulted Komowidjojo.

MrPraline

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]The truly just people around the world should be next to Assange and Ecuador in this one.MrPraline

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="kuraimen"]The truly just people around the world should be next to Assange and Ecuador in this one.sonicare

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="kuraimen"]The truly just people around the world should be next to Assange and Ecuador in this one.sonicare

He may have asylum but he's still trapped in England. If he can't get out of the embassy than it doesn't do him any good. ferrari2001

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]He may have asylum but he's still trapped in England. If he can't get out of the embassy than it doesn't do him any good. -Sun_Tzu-

solution

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]He may have asylum but he's still trapped in England. If he can't get out of the embassy than it doesn't do him any good. -Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]He may have asylum but he's still trapped in England. If he can't get out of the embassy than it doesn't do him any good. -Sun_Tzu-

While it is illegal for remove a person from a diplomatic vehicle it is however not illegal to restrict the movement of said vehicle. Simply, He can sit in the car all he wants, Just don't expect him to be allowed to go anywhere in it. The same is true for the aircraft, It's illegal to to seize it, Not illegal to restrict its departure.

Honestly, I could care less if the US even tries to get him. Manning was easy to charge because he signed a non-disclosure agreement as part of being granted a security clearance that is good for 70 years stating he would not disclose classified information. Unfortunately for him, not only did he decide to break that agreement after being threatened with being discharged for punching a female Soldier in the face (a lot of Manning's supporters conveniently leave out this fact) but he BRAGGED about breaking that agreement on a public website to a guy who later turned him in.

Assange is much harder to charge for leaking classified information since he isn't a US citizen and neither him nor his servers are on American soil. But he IS being charged with sexual crimes. Fact of the matter is no one should be above the law no matter how much of a "hero" people see him as. If he is innocent then he needs to prove he is innocent. If he is guilty then he needs to face his punishment. But either way he is doing nothing more than making himself look more guilty and hiding behind a claim that Sweden will just send him to American so he can be fed to the wolves.