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Education: 44 federal education programs have been totally eliminated, saving $1.1 billion, since 2010. Title I, which funds schools in low-income areas, has not faced cuts, but it has not received scheduled funding increases. As a result, it has absorbed 1.2 million more students with no additional funds, meaning districts now have $140 less per student in those schools. The capped spending levels will also result in a significant shortfall in the Pell Grants program.

Food safety: The Food and Drug Administration nearly doubled its inspection of food imports between 2007 and 2011, but such inspections would be reduced by 24 percent under scheduled spending caps. Food imports are skyrocketing, but the FDA inspects only 2.3 percent of them. In addition, budget cuts have jeopardized implementation of major food safety reforms.

Women, Infants, and Children programs: The WIC program helps low-income women who are pregnant or have infant children up to age five. If the same rate of growth that the discretionary budget caps permit through 2022 had been used to determine WIC funding over the last eight years, some 970,000 women, infants, and children would not have been able to receive much-needed supplemental foods this year, according to the report.

Housing: A program to help house low-income seniors was cut in half from 2010 to 2012, resulting in the construction of no new housing, even as there are 10 seniors on waiting lists for each existing unit. Another program to build low-income housing was cut from $1.8 billion in 2010 to just $1 billion in 2012, resulting in the construction of fewer homes and the creation of 8,000 fewer jobs. And a program that helps heat low-income homes in the winter was cut by a third, resulting in assistance for a million fewer homes last year and cuts for those who still receive assistance, even as energy prices have risen by 31 percent in that time.

Social Security: A rising number of senior citizens and disability claims has put a strain on the Social Security Administrations operating budget, which has not increased in two years. SSA has cut 6,500 workers and closed 23 offices, with plans to close 11 more. There were more than 800,000 claims made to SSA last year, an increase of 100,000 from the previous year.

Child Care: Federal funding for the Child Care Development Block Grant, which helps low-income families access subsidies for child care, has declined by 13 percent since 2002. Only one in six children who are eligible for that assistance now receive it.

Aviation Safety: The Federal Aviation Administraton has faced $205 million in cuts to programs meant to help update its infrastructure, even as the department is switching its monitoring system to a safer one based on satellites.

Community Investment: Community Development Block Grants help localities fund economic development, housing, and public services. The program has been cut by a quarter, a total of $1 billion, in the last two years. The Dept. of Housing and Urban Development estimates that the $1 billion reduction resulted in 21,000 fewer jobs being created last year.Article

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Education: 44 federal education programs have been totally eliminated, saving $1.1 billion, since 2010. Title I, which funds schools in low-income areas, has not faced cuts, but it has not received scheduled funding increases. As a result, it has absorbed 1.2 million more students with no additional funds, meaning districts now have $140 less per student in those schools. The capped spending levels will also result in a significant shortfall in the Pell Grants program.

Food safety: The Food and Drug Administration nearly doubled its inspection of food imports between 2007 and 2011, but such inspections would be reduced by 24 percent under scheduled spending caps. Food imports are skyrocketing, but the FDA inspects only 2.3 percent of them. In addition, budget cuts have jeopardized implementation of major food safety reforms.

Women, Infants, and Children programs: The WIC program helps low-income women who are pregnant or have infant children up to age five. If the same rate of growth that the discretionary budget caps permit through 2022 had been used to determine WIC funding over the last eight years, some 970,000 women, infants, and children would not have been able to receive much-needed supplemental foods this year, according to the report.

Housing: A program to help house low-income seniors was cut in half from 2010 to 2012, resulting in the construction of no new housing, even as there are 10 seniors on waiting lists for each existing unit. Another program to build low-income housing was cut from $1.8 billion in 2010 to just $1 billion in 2012, resulting in the construction of fewer homes and the creation of 8,000 fewer jobs. And a program that helps heat low-income homes in the winter was cut by a third, resulting in assistance for a million fewer homes last year and cuts for those who still receive assistance, even as energy prices have risen by 31 percent in that time.

Social Security: A rising number of senior citizens and disability claims has put a strain on the Social Security Administrations operating budget, which has not increased in two years. SSA has cut 6,500 workers and closed 23 offices, with plans to close 11 more. There were more than 800,000 claims made to SSA last year, an increase of 100,000 from the previous year.

Child Care: Federal funding for the Child Care Development Block Grant, which helps low-income families access subsidies for child care, has declined by 13 percent since 2002. Only one in six children who are eligible for that assistance now receive it.

Aviation Safety: The Federal Aviation Administraton has faced $205 million in cuts to programs meant to help update its infrastructure, even as the department is switching its monitoring system to a safer one based on satellites.

Community Investment: Community Development Block Grants help localities fund economic development, housing, and public services. The program has been cut by a quarter, a total of $1 billion, in the last two years. The Dept. of Housing and Urban Development estimates that the $1 billion reduction resulted in 21,000 fewer jobs being created last year.ghoklebutter

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Cutting education LOL gg Americuh

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Cutting education LOL gg Americuh

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Cutting education LOL gg Americuh

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At least we aren't liberal socialist scumbags like you! We have something here called "freedom," and you don't even know what that is LOL

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I hardly consider thinkprogress.org a good source.

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I hardly consider thinkprogress.org a good source.

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Jesus. Those are some areas of American life that actually NEED to be expanded and invested in. Can there be any more cuts to military spending?
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Jesus. Those are some areas of American life that actually NEED to be expanded and invested in. Can there be any more cuts to military spending? chrisrooR
Military cuts are good, but I'm primarily focused on the economic corruption going on in this country (hint: Wall Street).
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All of those should have their budgets ended and taxes should be lowered substantially as well. None of those things fall under the proper role of government - protecting the individual rights of its constituency.
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

Cutting education LOL gg Americuh

ghoklebutter

At least we aren't liberal socialist scumbags like you! We have something here called "freedom," and you don't even know what that is LOL

If you consider it freedom for my money to be stolen to fund your social programs then you don't know what freedom is.
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Jesus. Those are some areas of American life that actually NEED to be expanded and invested in. Can there be any more cuts to military spending? chrisrooR

Cut it down to 0 dollars a year (about 1.5 million people unemployed overnight with several other million who lose benifits, we're not even talking about the civilian contracts and private businesses who employ people through the various military programs, last estimate I saw was roughly 10 million jobs require military spending), and you're still deficit spending by 300 billion a year, minimum.

So to answer your question, no. It's not that easy.

The two biggest areas where we are spending right now is social security and medicare, with medicare flying out of control faster than any three other sectors combined. 

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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

Cutting education LOL gg Americuh

Laihendi

At least we aren't liberal socialist scumbags like you! We have something here called "freedom," and you don't even know what that is LOL

If you consider it freedom for my parents' money to be stolen to fund your social programs then you don't know what freedom is.

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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

Cutting education LOL gg Americuh

Laihendi

At least we aren't liberal socialist scumbags like you! We have something here called "freedom," and you don't even know what that is LOL

If you consider it freedom for my money to be stolen to fund your social programs then you don't know what freedom is.

  Man I wish we could air drop this guy into Somalia.  

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Laihendi B*tching about America and doing nothing about it since 1999
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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

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Education: 44 federal education programs have been totally eliminated, saving $1.1 billion, since 2010. Title I, which funds schools in low-income areas, has not faced cuts, but it has not received scheduled funding increases. As a result, it has absorbed 1.2 million more students with no additional funds, meaning districts now have $140 less per student in those schools. The capped spending levels will also result in a significant shortfall in the Pell Grants program.

Food safety: The Food and Drug Administration nearly doubled its inspection of food imports between 2007 and 2011, but such inspections would be reduced by 24 percent under scheduled spending caps. Food imports are skyrocketing, but the FDA inspects only 2.3 percent of them. In addition, budget cuts have jeopardized implementation of major food safety reforms.

Women, Infants, and Children programs: The WIC program helps low-income women who are pregnant or have infant children up to age five. If the same rate of growth that the discretionary budget caps permit through 2022 had been used to determine WIC funding over the last eight years, some 970,000 women, infants, and children would not have been able to receive much-needed supplemental foods this year, according to the report.

Housing: A program to help house low-income seniors was cut in half from 2010 to 2012, resulting in the construction of no new housing, even as there are 10 seniors on waiting lists for each existing unit. Another program to build low-income housing was cut from $1.8 billion in 2010 to just $1 billion in 2012, resulting in the construction of fewer homes and the creation of 8,000 fewer jobs. And a program that helps heat low-income homes in the winter was cut by a third, resulting in assistance for a million fewer homes last year and cuts for those who still receive assistance, even as energy prices have risen by 31 percent in that time.

Social Security: A rising number of senior citizens and disability claims has put a strain on the Social Security Administrations operating budget, which has not increased in two years. SSA has cut 6,500 workers and closed 23 offices, with plans to close 11 more. There were more than 800,000 claims made to SSA last year, an increase of 100,000 from the previous year.

Child Care: Federal funding for the Child Care Development Block Grant, which helps low-income families access subsidies for child care, has declined by 13 percent since 2002. Only one in six children who are eligible for that assistance now receive it.

Aviation Safety: The Federal Aviation Administraton has faced $205 million in cuts to programs meant to help update its infrastructure, even as the department is switching its monitoring system to a safer one based on satellites.

Community Investment: Community Development Block Grants help localities fund economic development, housing, and public services. The program has been cut by a quarter, a total of $1 billion, in the last two years. The Dept. of Housing and Urban Development estimates that the $1 billion reduction resulted in 21,000 fewer jobs being created last year.sSubZerOo

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Lest anyone be fooled, that's all that really matters in foreign policy.
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All of those should have their budgets ended and taxes should be lowered substantially as well. None of those things fall under the proper role of government - protecting the individual rights of its constituency.Laihendi
Do you have any idea how disastrous that would be?
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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] Military cuts are good, but I'm primarily focused on the economic corruption going on in this country (hint: Wall Street).

Don't forget the other big hint: congress.
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[QUOTE="chrisrooR"]Jesus. Those are some areas of American life that actually NEED to be expanded and invested in. Can there be any more cuts to military spending? Wasdie

Cut it down to 0 dollars a year (about 1.5 million people unemployed overnight with several other million who lose benifits, we're not even talking about the civilian contracts and private businesses who employ people through the various military programs, last estimate I saw was roughly 10 million jobs require military spending), and you're still deficit spending by 300 billion a year, minimum.

So to answer your question, no. It's not that easy.

The two biggest areas where we are spending right now is social security and medicare, with medicare flying out of control faster than any three other sectors combined. 

Never advocated cutting it to zero. And social security and medicare...Am I right in saying that it's basically going to come down to "we don't have enough money to keep people alive and off of the streets"?
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All of those should have their budgets ended and taxes should be lowered substantially as well. None of those things fall under the proper role of government - protecting the individual rights of its constituency.Laihendi
Wait, how shouldn't the government have control over a basic form of free education? Can I pick your brain for a second? Ok, what kind of education system would you have in place Lai?
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[QUOTE="Saturos3091"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] Military cuts are good, but I'm primarily focused on the economic corruption going on in this country (hint: Wall Street).

Don't forget the other big hint: congress.

Oh, definitely.
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[QUOTE="Laihendi"]All of those should have their budgets ended and taxes should be lowered substantially as well. None of those things fall under the proper role of government - protecting the individual rights of its constituency.chrisrooR
Wait, how shouldn't the government have control over a basic form of free education? Can I pick your brain for a second? Ok, what kind of education system would you have in place Lai?

He wants private education that only the rich can afford. And cheaper schools would end up like that Simpsons episode when a toy company buys Springfield Elementary and uses it to create a new holiday toy.

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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"]Jesus. Those are some areas of American life that actually NEED to be expanded and invested in. Can there be any more cuts to military spending? chrisrooR

Cut it down to 0 dollars a year (about 1.5 million people unemployed overnight with several other million who lose benifits, we're not even talking about the civilian contracts and private businesses who employ people through the various military programs, last estimate I saw was roughly 10 million jobs require military spending), and you're still deficit spending by 300 billion a year, minimum.

So to answer your question, no. It's not that easy.

The two biggest areas where we are spending right now is social security and medicare, with medicare flying out of control faster than any three other sectors combined. 

Never advocated cutting it to zero. And social security and medicare...Am I right in saying that it's basically going to come down to "we don't have enough money to keep people alive and off of the streets"?

No you would be wrong of what I was getting at. Understand that both social security and medicare were built well before the current era of lifespans. Social security itself was nothing more than a quick fix whlie assuming people wouldn't live much over the age of 65 and medicare was built under the assumption of much lower health care costs and that people wouldn't be living for 40 years after they turned 65. Both have various issues (social security has been ruined by years of crappy legislators destroying the funds keeping it alive, and medicare is ruined by our overall broken approach to healthcare thanks to the illusion that healthcare can be regulated solely by the free market) that need to get solved.

Both systems are incredibly out of date and do not fit with our current situation thus will continue to exponentially grow unless something is done with it.

One of these days I would love for somebody in OT to not just jump to conclusions. It's NEVER all or nothing (depsite my ealier example of cutting the military budget to 0, I was merely using that as a way to show such rash thinking has consequences which also applies to all forms of government spending). 

I'm for lowering the deficit without destroying our nation in the process. Massive cuts to any of our major areas of spending would have pretty dire consequences. Unfortunately the American people don't want logic, they want instant results so we'll never see anything really happen because of extremely rash and shallow thinking.

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[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]All of those should have their budgets ended and taxes should be lowered substantially as well. None of those things fall under the proper role of government - protecting the individual rights of its constituency.Aljosa23

Wait, how shouldn't the government have control over a basic form of free education? Can I pick your brain for a second? Ok, what kind of education system would you have in place Lai?

He wants private education that only the rich can afford. And cheaper schools would end up like that Simpsons episode when a toy company buys Springfield Elementary and uses it to create a new holiday toy.

Clearly, it would be their own (the children who go to the cheap school) fault for being born to a poor family.

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Surprised nobody is concerned about the FAA thing.

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[QUOTE="Laihendi"]All of those should have their budgets ended and taxes should be lowered substantially as well. None of those things fall under the proper role of government - protecting the individual rights of its constituency.ghoklebutter
Do you have any idea how disastrous that would be?

It would not be disastrous. If people value education, then they will pay for it - freely. If people value childcare, then they will pay for it - freely. If people value food safety, then they will pay for it - freely.

When you give these responsibilities to the government, then in addition to giving up money for them to spend however they will, you also give them the power to control how your children are raised, how they are educated, and what foods everyone eats.

This is clearly not working, since the US government is using the public schools to indoctrinate children with collectivist beliefs (for example I was forced to perform community service as part of my curriculum in grade school), and the government is poisoning the entire country by dumping fluoride (a confirmed neurotoxin that is proven to degenerate the brain) into our water.

The government is poisoning us to reduce our intellect, to reduce our capability to think, reason, question, and dissent. Then the government uses the reduced mental capabilities of the masses to more easily brainwash them in the public education system.

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[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Cut it down to 0 dollars a year (about 1.5 million people unemployed overnight with several other million who lose benifits, we're not even talking about the civilian contracts and private businesses who employ people through the various military programs, last estimate I saw was roughly 10 million jobs require military spending), and you're still deficit spending by 300 billion a year, minimum.

So to answer your question, no. It's not that easy.

The two biggest areas where we are spending right now is social security and medicare, with medicare flying out of control faster than any three other sectors combined. 

Wasdie

Never advocated cutting it to zero. And social security and medicare...Am I right in saying that it's basically going to come down to "we don't have enough money to keep people alive and off of the streets"?

No you would be wrong of what I was getting at. Understand that both social security and medicare were built well before the current era of lifespans. Social security itself was nothing more than a quick fix whlie assuming people wouldn't live much over the age of 65 and medicare was built under the assumption of much lower health care costs and that people wouldn't be living for 40 years after they turned 65. Both have various issues (social security has been ruined by years of crappy legislators destroying the funds keeping it alive, and medicare is ruined by our overall broken approach to healthcare thanks to the illusion that healthcare can be regulated solely by the free market) that need to get solved.

Both systems are incredibly out of date and do not fit with our current situation thus will continue to exponentially grow unless something is done with it.

Good point, I see where you were going with the hypothetical above.

One of these days I would love for somebody in OT to not just jump to conclusions. It's NEVER all or nothing (depsite my ealier example of cutting the military budget to 0, I was merely using that as a way to show such rash thinking has consequences which also applies to all forms of government spending). 

Ok, but you don't have to be a d*ck about it. You can see my thought process though. I suggested a possible furthering of defense spending cuts, and out of nowhere you're talking about cutting it to zero in a hypothetical scenario. I never inferred that cutting defense would somehow solve the entire deficit problem. 

I'm for lowering the deficit without destroying our nation in the process. Massive cuts to any of our major areas of spending would have pretty dire consequences. Unfortunately the American people don't want logic, they want instant results so we'll never see anything really happen because of extremely rash and shallow thinking.

I really don't know how that's going to happen. Something has got to give. 

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I really don't know how that's going to happen. Something has got to give. 

chrisrooR

Didn't mean to come across as an ass myself, but this board is kind of aggressive all of the time.

Anyways I would love to have your optimisim. 

You should also be happy to know that the military buget has been trimmed by about 200 billion over the next decade. It's not going to lower the amount being spent if you look at the actual number, but the increases have stopped. Bascially it's frozen. This can be seen as lowering the % of our budget into the military over a 10 year period. From what I can see it's one of the only government facitilies that is actually regulating its spending without destroying itself.

They are doing things like retiring old aircraft carriers and getting the money out of stupid projects (see the F-35 aircraft) and focusing on what a military nees in the current world.

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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]All of those should have their budgets ended and taxes should be lowered substantially as well. None of those things fall under the proper role of government - protecting the individual rights of its constituency.Laihendi

Do you have any idea how disastrous that would be?

It would not be disastrous. If people value education, then they will pay for it - freely. If people value childcare, then they will pay for it - freely. If people value food safety, then they will pay for it - freely.

When you give these responsibilities to the government, then in addition to giving up money for them to spend however they will, you also give them the power to control how your children are raised, how they are educated, and what foods everyone eats.

This is clearly not working, since the US government is using the public schools to indoctrinate children with collectivist beliefs(for example I was forced to perform community service as part of my curriculum in grade school), and the government is poisoning the entire country by dumping fluoride (a confirmed neurotoxin that is proven to degenerate the brain) into our water.

The government is poisoning us to reduce our intellect, to reduce our capability to think, reason, question, and dissent. Then the government uses the reduced mental capabilities of the masses to more easily brainwash them in the public education system.

 

....Wow. 

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I really don't know how that's going to happen. Something has got to give. 

Wasdie

Didn't mean to come across as an ass myself, but this board is kind of aggressive all of the time.

Anyways I would love to have your optimisim. 

It's all good. Just reading Laihendi's posts probably puts us all at risk for brain cancer.
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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"]

 

I really don't know how that's going to happen. Something has got to give. 

chrisrooR

Didn't mean to come across as an ass myself, but this board is kind of aggressive all of the time.

Anyways I would love to have your optimisim. 

It's all good. Just reading Laihendi's posts probably puts us all at risk for brain cancer.

Again, why do people pay so much attention to Lahendi if his posts are just mindless BS?
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#32 Laihendi
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[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]All of those should have their budgets ended and taxes should be lowered substantially as well. None of those things fall under the proper role of government - protecting the individual rights of its constituency.Aljosa23

Wait, how shouldn't the government have control over a basic form of free education? Can I pick your brain for a second? Ok, what kind of education system would you have in place Lai?

He wants private education that only the rich can afford. And cheaper schools would end up like that Simpsons episode when a toy company buys Springfield Elementary and uses it to create a new holiday toy.

Public education at grade school level is a joke anyways. Most of it is a complete waste of time. For example I coasted through high school without any effort and I didn't learn much at all. I still got into the state's best university and I have a 4.0 gpa. I could have just quit school after middle school and spent 4 years pursuing things relevant to my interests and I would have been better prepared for higher education than I was thanks to the public school system. Of course that isn't allowed and my parents would have been arrested if I quit school at age 14, because then the government would have 4 years less time to indoctrinate me.
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#33 chrisrooR
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[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Didn't mean to come across as an ass myself, but this board is kind of aggressive all of the time.

Anyways I would love to have your optimisim. 

lo_Pine
It's all good. Just reading Laihendi's posts probably puts us all at risk for brain cancer.

Again, why do people pay so much attention to Lahendi if his posts are just mindless BS?

Because people like him exist by the millions. It's nice to try and hash out the rationale behind someone's thought processes once in a while; especially if they are as extreme as his. Then again, he could just be a very successful troll. :P
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The only obvious solution is to raise taxes on everybody because the government knows how to spend it better than we do.

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Public education at grade school level is a joke anyways. Most of it is a complete waste of time. For example I coasted through high school without any effort and I didn't learn much at all. I still got into the state's best university and I have a 4.0 gpa. I could have just quit school after middle school and spent 4 years pursuing things relevant to my interests and I would have been better prepared for higher education than I was thanks to the public school system. Of course that isn't allowed and my parents would have been arrested if I quit school at age 14, because then the government would have 4 years less time to indoctrinate me.Laihendi
Not sure why you're complaining if you have a 4.0 gpa at the best University in your state. Sorry you feel that way but anecdotes aren't evidence nor do I think private education would be superior to what the US already has. Reform the system and fix what's broken is the answer not to destroy everything.

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#36 Laihendi
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[QUOTE="Laihendi"]Public education at grade school level is a joke anyways. Most of it is a complete waste of time. For example I coasted through high school without any effort and I didn't learn much at all. I still got into the state's best university and I have a 4.0 gpa. I could have just quit school after middle school and spent 4 years pursuing things relevant to my interests and I would have been better prepared for higher education than I was thanks to the public school system. Of course that isn't allowed and my parents would have been arrested if I quit school at age 14, because then the government would have 4 years less time to indoctrinate me.Aljosa23

Not sure why you're complaining if you have a 4.0 gpa at the best University in your state. Sorry you feel that way but anecdotes aren't evidence nor do I think private education would be superior to what the US already has. Reform the system and fix what's broken is the answer not to destroy everything.

My point is that I was prepared for higher learning despite public schooling, not because of it. Spending 40+ hours a week at school was an enormous waste of time and I would have been better off spending that time studying on my own, or with private instructors. Traditional education is not nearly as important as many people think it is.
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My point is that I was prepared for higher learning despite public schooling, not because of it. Spending 40+ hours a week at school was an enormous waste of time and I would have been better off spending that time studying on my own, or with private instructors. Traditional education is not nearly as important as many people think it is.Laihendi
As far as I know home schooling and private tutoring definitely exist and are a viable option. It also varies on a person to person basis. You for instance might have benefitted outside of the mainstream public education system while others might not have. Basically, the option is there and your parents might not have chosen it for whatever reason.

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#38 RushKing
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I'm not a big fan of our public educational system, like how its structured around authority, obedence and disipline. But I know gutting it is not a solution to any of the problems.

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[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="lo_Pine"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"] It's all good. Just reading Laihendi's posts probably puts us all at risk for brain cancer.

Again, why do people pay so much attention to Lahendi if his posts are just mindless BS?

Because people like him exist by the millions. It's nice to try and hash out the rationale behind someone's thought processes once in a while; especially if they are as extreme as his. Then again, he could just be a very successful troll. :P

I'm almost positive he is a very successful troll. He knows how to pull the strings too well. Not only that, but he is very persistent. Someone who truly believed what he said would be discouraged by now from all this backlash.
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Seriously wtf does the U.S. and Europe want, they can't balance their budgets and stay out of recession at the same time.

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Seriously wtf does the U.S. and Europe want, they can't balance their budgets and stay out of recession at the same time.

Barbariser

 They want their cake and be able to eat it too. I have grown to hate politics, these people are horrible.  

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All of those should have their budgets ended and taxes should be lowered substantially as well. None of those things fall under the proper role of government - protecting the individual rights of its constituency.Laihendi

Oh, how glad I am that Lai doesn't run this country.

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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]All of those should have their budgets ended and taxes should be lowered substantially as well. None of those things fall under the proper role of government - protecting the individual rights of its constituency.Laihendi

Do you have any idea how disastrous that would be?

It would not be disastrous. If people value education, then they will pay for it - freely. If people value childcare, then they will pay for it - freely. If people value food safety, then they will pay for it - freely.

When you give these responsibilities to the government, then in addition to giving up money for them to spend however they will, you also give them the power to control how your children are raised, how they are educated, and what foods everyone eats.

This is clearly not working, since the US government is using the public schools to indoctrinate children with collectivist beliefs (for example I was forced to perform community service as part of my curriculum in grade school), and the government is poisoning the entire country by dumping fluoride (a confirmed neurotoxin that is proven to degenerate the brain) into our water.

The government is poisoning us to reduce our intellect, to reduce our capability to think, reason, question, and dissent. Then the government uses the reduced mental capabilities of the masses to more easily brainwash them in the public education system.

need to lay off the water lai

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I didn't learn much at all.Laihendi
We've noticed.
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[QUOTE="Laihendi"]I didn't learn much at all.Ace6301
We've noticed.

rofl
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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]All of those should have their budgets ended and taxes should be lowered substantially as well. None of those things fall under the proper role of government - protecting the individual rights of its constituency.Laihendi

Do you have any idea how disastrous that would be?

It would not be disastrous. If people value education, then they will pay for it - freely. If people value childcare, then they will pay for it - freely. If people value food safety, then they will pay for it - freely.

When you give these responsibilities to the government, then in addition to giving up money for them to spend however they will, you also give them the power to control how your children are raised, how they are educated, and what foods everyone eats.

This is clearly not working, since the US government is using the public schools to indoctrinate children with collectivist beliefs (for example I was forced to perform community service as part of my curriculum in grade school), and the government is poisoning the entire country by dumping fluoride (a confirmed neurotoxin that is proven to degenerate the brain) into our water.

The government is poisoning us to reduce our intellect, to reduce our capability to think, reason, question, and dissent. Then the government uses the reduced mental capabilities of the masses to more easily brainwash them in the public education system.

I'll put it in terms of your posting style: Please give me proof that the US government is doing any of the things you mention. Hard evidence, not your opinion. 

The concentraions of fluoride used in drinking water to prevent tooth decay is nowhere near the levels needed to interact with calcium in the rest of the body. There are greater concerns in the water, like pharma drugs and BPA, but those are in the water from private citizens and from large corporations, not eh government.

Then, tell me a country where the government doesn't fund education, where the score score highly in math and science.

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Its a start....now we just need to disband a few more government agencies and cut more budgets.

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Even though I agree with trimming the government, I don't think these were the programs that needed to go first. It's good to know the effects of your decisions.
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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

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Education: 44 federal education programs have been totally eliminated, saving $1.1 billion, since 2010. Title I, which funds schools in low-income areas, has not faced cuts, but it has not received scheduled funding increases. As a result, it has absorbed 1.2 million more students with no additional funds, meaning districts now have $140 less per student in those schools. The capped spending levels will also result in a significant shortfall in the Pell Grants program.

Food safety: The Food and Drug Administration nearly doubled its inspection of food imports between 2007 and 2011, but such inspections would be reduced by 24 percent under scheduled spending caps. Food imports are skyrocketing, but the FDA inspects only 2.3 percent of them. In addition, budget cuts have jeopardized implementation of major food safety reforms.

Women, Infants, and Children programs: The WIC program helps low-income women who are pregnant or have infant children up to age five. If the same rate of growth that the discretionary budget caps permit through 2022 had been used to determine WIC funding over the last eight years, some 970,000 women, infants, and children would not have been able to receive much-needed supplemental foods this year, according to the report.

Housing: A program to help house low-income seniors was cut in half from 2010 to 2012, resulting in the construction of no new housing, even as there are 10 seniors on waiting lists for each existing unit. Another program to build low-income housing was cut from $1.8 billion in 2010 to just $1 billion in 2012, resulting in the construction of fewer homes and the creation of 8,000 fewer jobs. And a program that helps heat low-income homes in the winter was cut by a third, resulting in assistance for a million fewer homes last year and cuts for those who still receive assistance, even as energy prices have risen by 31 percent in that time.

Social Security: A rising number of senior citizens and disability claims has put a strain on the Social Security Administrations operating budget, which has not increased in two years. SSA has cut 6,500 workers and closed 23 offices, with plans to close 11 more. There were more than 800,000 claims made to SSA last year, an increase of 100,000 from the previous year.

Child Care: Federal funding for the Child Care Development Block Grant, which helps low-income families access subsidies for child care, has declined by 13 percent since 2002. Only one in six children who are eligible for that assistance now receive it.

Aviation Safety: The Federal Aviation Administraton has faced $205 million in cuts to programs meant to help update its infrastructure, even as the department is switching its monitoring system to a safer one based on satellites.

Community Investment: Community Development Block Grants help localities fund economic development, housing, and public services. The program has been cut by a quarter, a total of $1 billion, in the last two years. The Dept. of Housing and Urban Development estimates that the $1 billion reduction resulted in 21,000 fewer jobs being created last year.sSubZerOo

Yay for America!

 

  But hey, we sure know how to blow sh!t up!

Thats the problem.. too much money is spent on making those insanly expensive bombs/guided missles/tanks/jets etc etc and not enough is spent on improving life for the people living in the US. No point defending the country when the way of life is getting worse. The governments solution is to make more bombs and reduce the freedoms of the people more and more.