Eight Programs That Have Already Faced Devastating Budget Cuts

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] Forcibly medicating me is a pretty blatant denial of personal liberty.Laihendi

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] 1. Fluoridation of water is forced mass medication. That is a violation of the 14th amendment. 2. Everyone drinks different amounts of water so it is impossible to control how much fluoride you receive without dehydrating yourself. 3. Fluoride is already present in many other things (dental products, foods processed with fluoridated water, etc.) 4. Fluoride accumulates in the person's body throughout his life. He cannot get rid of it. 5. Overexposure to fluoride among children has led to a dental fluorosis epidemic. This alone is proof that it has unintended side effects on the body. 6. Even the EPA has stated that fluoride is a possible neurotoxin. The only reason the government has to forcibly medicate the entire country is to control them. I don't think it's a coincidence that this started being promoted at the start of the cold war, and that the people in favor of it were left-wing statists.Laihendi

Do enlighten me how it violates the 14th Amendment, Mr. OT Constitutional Law Expert.

Fluoride is toxic... in level far, far higher than is normally ingested by drinking normal amounts of water during the day and brushing twice a day. 

"Possible neurotoxin" So that isn't confirmed by current research. Dental fluorisis is a cosmetic problem, without evidence that is health related.

The rest of your post is paranoia, not science.

The additives put in most foods are more dangerous than flouride.  In fact, there's been a consistent movement to get harsher meat standards implemented and properly enforced, and the substances they're targeting are far more dangerous than flouride, not to mention they have no beneficial side effects if consumed in small amounts.  Are you going to go on a crusade against the meat industry, which by the way has been fighting higher standards, for poisoning you?  No, in fact you're probably going to support the meat industry in trying to keep lax standards and enforcement because that's big, bad, gubberment.  Then you're going to turn around and criticize the government for putting something WITH beneficial side effects into the water in SAFE amounts because, again, gubberment=bad.  You are all ideology, you are completely immune to facts.

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] Forcibly medicating me is a pretty blatant denial of personal liberty.Laihendi

^Has obviously never tried to avoid them.

Also if it is found to be POSSIBLE that fluoride is a neurotoxin then it is completely idiotic to medicate almost the entire country with it. They shouldn't even consider that until they are certain it ISN'T a neurotoxin. Dental hygiene is not anywhere near urgent enough of an issue to justify this, and dental hygiene isn't a public issue anyways.Laihendi

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] Forcibly medicating me is a pretty blatant denial of personal liberty.Laihendi

How does a conversation on budget cuts turn into one about flouride conspiracies?  I seriously have to believe Lai is a master of detraction, he can't not be doing this on purpose.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]There's way worse stuff in most processed foods.chrisrooR

Also if it is found to be POSSIBLE that fluoride is a neurotoxin then it is completely idiotic to medicate almost the entire country with it. They shouldn't even consider that until they are certain it ISN'T a neurotoxin. Dental hygiene is not anywhere near urgent enough of an issue to justify this, and dental hygiene isn't a public issue anyways.Laihendi

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

Do enlighten me how it violates the 14th Amendment, Mr. OT Constitutional Law Expert.

Fluoride is toxic... in level far, far higher than is normally ingested by drinking normal amounts of water during the day and brushing twice a day. 

"Possible neurotoxin" So that isn't confirmed by current research. Dental fluorisis is a cosmetic problem, without evidence that is health related.

The rest of your post is paranoia, not science.

theone86

The additives put in most foods are more dangerous than flouride.  In fact, there's been a consistent movement to get harsher meat standards implemented and properly enforced, and the substances they're targeting are far more dangerous than flouride, not to mention they have no beneficial side effects if consumed in small amounts.  Are you going to go on a crusade against the meat industry, which by the way has been fighting higher standards, for poisoning you?  No, in fact you're probably going to support the meat industry in trying to keep lax standards and enforcement because that's big, bad, gubberment.  Then you're going to turn around and criticize the government for putting something WITH beneficial side effects into the water in SAFE amounts because, again, gubberment=bad.  You are all ideology, you are completely immune to facts.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]Also if it is found to be POSSIBLE that fluoride is a neurotoxin then it is completely idiotic to medicate almost the entire country with it. They shouldn't even consider that until they are certain it ISN'T a neurotoxin. Dental hygiene is not anywhere near urgent enough of an issue to justify this, and dental hygiene isn't a public issue anyways.jimkabrhel

http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html

[spoiler] it's water [/spoiler]

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] Forcibly medicating me is a pretty blatant denial of personal liberty.Laihendi

The additives put in most foods are more dangerous than flouride.  In fact, there's been a consistent movement to get harsher meat standards implemented and properly enforced, and the substances they're targeting are far more dangerous than flouride, not to mention they have no beneficial side effects if consumed in small amounts.  Are you going to go on a crusade against the meat industry, which by the way has been fighting higher standards, for poisoning you?  No, in fact you're probably going to support the meat industry in trying to keep lax standards and enforcement because that's big, bad, gubberment.  Then you're going to turn around and criticize the government for putting something WITH beneficial side effects into the water in SAFE amounts because, again, gubberment=bad.  You are all ideology, you are completely immune to facts.

Government forces you to ingest a product=bad.

Private industry forces you to ingest a product=good.

Like I said, you are all ideology.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="theone86"]

The additives put in most foods are more dangerous than flouride.  In fact, there's been a consistent movement to get harsher meat standards implemented and properly enforced, and the substances they're targeting are far more dangerous than flouride, not to mention they have no beneficial side effects if consumed in small amounts.  Are you going to go on a crusade against the meat industry, which by the way has been fighting higher standards, for poisoning you?  No, in fact you're probably going to support the meat industry in trying to keep lax standards and enforcement because that's big, bad, gubberment.  Then you're going to turn around and criticize the government for putting something WITH beneficial side effects into the water in SAFE amounts because, again, gubberment=bad.  You are all ideology, you are completely immune to facts.

theone86

Government forces you to ingest a product=bad.

Private industry forces you to ingest a product=good.

Like I said, you are all ideology.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]I don't care what people in the meat industry do as long as they aren't being propped up by the government and forcing people to ingest their product.Laihendi

Government forces you to ingest a product=bad.

Private industry forces you to ingest a product=good.

Like I said, you are all ideology.

Ah, so the cops came into your house and forced you to drink tapwater then?  Good to know my tax dollars are going to a worthy cause.

The meat industry is as much forcing people to eat what is in their products as the government is forcing people to drink what is in tapwater, as in both cases there are alternatives, albeit inconvienent ones.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="theone86"]

Government forces you to ingest a product=bad.

Private industry forces you to ingest a product=good.

Like I said, you are all ideology.

theone86

Ah, so the cops came into your house and forced you to drink tapwater then?  Good to know my tax dollars are going to a worthy cause.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]I don't care what people in the meat industry do as long as they aren't being propped up by the government and forcing people to ingest their product.Laihendi

Government forces you to ingest a product=bad.

Private industry forces you to ingest a product=good.

Like I said, you are all ideology.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]I don't care what people in the meat industry do as long as they aren't being propped up by the government and forcing people to ingest their product.Laihendi

Government forces you to ingest a product=bad.

Private industry forces you to ingest a product=good.

Like I said, you are all ideology.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="theone86"]

Government forces you to ingest a product=bad.

Private industry forces you to ingest a product=good.

Like I said, you are all ideology.

jimkabrhel

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] A private industry can't force anyone to do anything. The government controls the police and the military and it can make people do whatever it wants.Laihendi

Ah, so the cops came into your house and forced you to drink tapwater then?  Good to know my tax dollars are going to a worthy cause.

As would they if they tried to take over a private food production plant.

We sure are determined to have the biggest military dick in the world.  Ashamed education was cut.

InEMplease

What on earth are you talking about?  We're not discussing budget cuts in this thread, we're discussing flouride!

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="theone86"]

Government forces you to ingest a product=bad.

Private industry forces you to ingest a product=good.

Like I said, you are all ideology.

-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="theone86"]

Ah, so the cops came into your house and forced you to drink tapwater then?  Good to know my tax dollars are going to a worthy cause.

theone86

As would they if they tried to take over a private food production plant.

Raise taxes.

Problem solved.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] If anyone tried to take over a water plant to stop the fluoridation he would be arrested and sent to prison.Laihendi

As would they if they tried to take over a private food production plant.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="theone86"]

As would they if they tried to take over a private food production plant.

jimkabrhel

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] If anyone tried to take over a water plant to stop the fluoridation he would be arrested and sent to prison.Laihendi

As would they if they tried to take over a private food production plant.

Please substantiate this claim. This has been proven false throughout history. Hell, I worked for one of the largest agribusinesses in the world that was caught in a massive international scandal several years ago. Do you know what they're doing now? They're still producing, selling, and even growing at a healthy rate.

It's a start.

good stop stealing from people and take some personal responsibility.

good stop stealing from people and take some personal responsibility.

osirisx3

Um... pot calling the kettle black. What is the leadership in North Korea doing?