Everybody SHOULD Support Decriminalization of Cannabis... EVERYBODY

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#1 The_Versatile
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Notice I said decriminalized, not legalized. If you don't think cannabis should be legalized, you probably have your reasons, and some of them are probably reasonable. But there is no reason anyone should want their fellow human beings to be labelled as criminals, as a result of making a personal decision, to use a generally harmless substance, whether it be for recreation, or medicine.

With everything we know about cannabis these days, there is no reason why our society should be so openly tolerant of potentially lethal, and heavily intoxicating substances such as tobacco and alcohol, yet be so firm in resistance to an herb with a body count of a whopping 0, since the beginning of recorded history.

The main reason YOU want cannabis to be decriminalized (believe me, YOU do), is because if you ask yourself, "Do I feel any safer knowing that a pot smoker is locked up in jail?", you'd say of course not... if you're honest with yourself. And if you put aside the negative social stigma about people who smoke cannabis that has most likely penetrated your mind by now (it must have, if you're a proponent of criminalization).

There are thousands of people in prison right now, for nothing more that simple possession crimes - possession of cannabis for personal use, to be exact. In every reported study, almost all of these people have no prior criminal record. It was their fondness for a particular plant, or more accurately, their fellow countrymen and women's misinformed hatred for a particular plant, that got them locked up. Is that fair? And how can anybody sleep better at night knowing that real criminals such as burglars, murderers, child abusers, etc. are not filling those spots in prison, where the laid-back, peaceful neighborhood stoner is currently residing?

So, who would you rather have roaming the streets at night? If you're honest with yourself... if you have a family... and if you care about the preservation of our society and it's morals... YOU KNOW you would say you'd rather have the stoner, walking down the street at midnight to get a bag of chips at the local market, rather than some scumbag hiding in the bushes, waiting to jump out at you, place a knife on your throat, and take your wallet. You know you'd feel much safer, if when you walked down the street, you bumped into a stoner who was too absorbed in his cell phone to see you coming, than to look up and see the eyes of a deranged lunatic, who feels like spilling some blood that night. And I'm pretty sure if you have a family, and you have children who walk to school, you'd much rather have them walk past a stoner sitting on a bench, puffing a joint while listening to trippy music on his headphones, than some creepy jalopy-driving predator, looking to snatch up another innocent young victim to take back to his house, torture, rape, and possibly execute them.

Anyone who cares at least the slightest bit about truly making our country a better, safer, happier place to live, would greatly desire for all laws prohibiting the use and possession of cannabis to be removed from the books. Not only because they're obviously ridiculous, but also because they serve no greater purpose. But mainly so we can allow these peaceful people to enjoy a life outside a cell that they never deserved in the first place, and also to use those same cells to put away the people who ACTUALLY cause problems in our society, making life rougher for the rest of us. YOU KNOW it's the right thing to do.

Decriminalization simply means that it would still be against the law, but rather than arrest, trial, and imprisonment, you'd be given a ticket for possession, pay a fine, and have that be the end of it. Just like driving faster than the speed limit. It's against the law to speed, but you don't see people going to jail for being clocked at 60 in a 45 zone. Because it would be ridiculous to do such a thing. I see imprisonment for cannabis the same way. It's ridiculous. So what do you think about that?

There are so many other reasons why the prohibition of cannabis should be repealed, but this is just one of them. I just want to focus on neighborhood safety at this time. :)

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#2 AZtown860
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I love weed, it makes god happy as well.

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I'd support people having to pay fines for carrying cannabis up to a certain amount rather than go to prison. But I don't think cannabis itself should be decriminalised.
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Very true. Never heard of anyone getting glassed, stabbed or kicked to death by a gang of weed users.
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#5 Mr_Fujiv1
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old people get surscribed the stuff for there joints and to put them at ease thats on the NHS i think if you let the youngster smoke it then there would be less killings beating ups all kinds of stuff like that would be stopped and then they would realise it aint that cool :]

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#7 Mr_Fujiv1
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yea i know the feeling but i dont do it any more well i have grown up but i remember when i used to have dry mouth LOL

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#8 The_Versatile
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I'd support people having to pay fines for carrying cannabis up to a certain amount rather than go to prison. But I don't think cannabis itself should be decriminalised. Bourbons3
What you just described is a possible decriminalization scenario. So you are for it. Did you even read what I typed? :lol:
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Yes because of the overall benefit. It goes way beyond stoners just wanting legal weed.

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Yes because of the overall benefit. It goes way beyond stoners just wanting legal weed.

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Sadly some people can't see that, their view is basically: a) Weed is a drug, so it should be illegal (I don't even know where to begin with that statement) b) It's just stoners voting for legalization
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#11 LJS9502_basic  Online
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I don't think I will support that.

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I don't think I will support that.

LJS9502_basic
what do you support?
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

I don't think I will support that.

xxDustmanxx

what do you support?

Getting rid of the fascination people have with drugs.

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#14 MrPraline
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I don't support it, because I see no reason it should be illegal in the first place. Obviously, if it has to be illegal, I'd vote for the decriminalization.
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[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

I don't think I will support that.

LJS9502_basic

what do you support?

Getting rid of the fascination people have with drugs.

That is definitely not realistic, as long as there are sentient beings in the universe, they are going to want to alter there consciousness.
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So, who would you rather have roaming the streets at night? If you're honest with yourself... if you have a family... and if you care about the preservation of our society and it's morals... YOU KNOW you would say you'd rather have the stoner, walking down the street at midnight to get a bag of chips at the local market, rather than some scumbag hiding in the bushes, waiting to jump out at you, place a knife on your throat, and take your wallet.

The_Versatile

There is still the posibility of this happening with the cannabis, example they havent got any money to buy and they need there fix. People get the hump about these drug things because they always have the potential to lead on to other crimes. Dont you think?

Decriminalization simply means that it would still be against the law, but rather than arrest, trial, and imprisonment, you'd be given a ticket for possession, pay a fine, and have that be the end of it. Just like driving faster than the speed limit. It's against the law to speed, but you don't see people going to jail for being clocked at 60 in a 45 zone.

The_Versaltible

You do make some sense there, it would be silly to stick people in prision. Why not a day or two in the police station instead?

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[QUOTE="Bourbons3"]I'd support people having to pay fines for carrying cannabis up to a certain amount rather than go to prison. But I don't think cannabis itself should be decriminalised. The_Versatile
What you just described is a possible decriminalization scenario. So you are for it. Did you even read what I typed? :lol:

Yes I did. What you wrote wouldn't be decriminalisation at all. It would simply be a downgrading from prison time to a fine. It would still be a crime...
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"] what do you support?AZtown860

Getting rid of the fascination people have with drugs.

Getting rid of people who does coke, acid, angel dust and ruin their lifes by selling their ass for it? YES i agree but weed.. come on, its not as bad as you people think, i`m not trying to promote it but to me Weed is as daily as ciggerettes to me.

You're referring to addiction by those drugs, yes?

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TC makes an excellent point. I believe you might have just changed my mind on this issue.
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#21 The_Versatile
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I don't think I will support that.LJS9502_basic

So you don't mind pot smokers rotting in jail in a space that could be used to lock up a violent, psychotic thug? Hey, maybe you could let the criminals stay at your house. ;)

Getting rid of the fascination people have with drugs.LJS9502_basic
Some people are fascinated. You can't change that. Should we lobby to get rid of some people's fascination with The Cure? Cause personally, their fans annoy me. :lol:

But anyway, a person like me isn't fascinated with a drug. I am fascinated with the fact that a versatile (heh) medicinal herb such as this could be so misrepresented in our current society. I'm fascinated with it's ability to be so effective at treating such a wide variety of maladies, all without any damaging effects to any system of the body (as long as it's not smoked, and even then it's only the lungs, and even then you can filter it). And I'm also intrigued by how people like you can actually think it's a good thing to have smokers locked in prison.

Don't you drink? That's more dangerous... Don't you have a fascination with imported beers? Sure seemed like it in that beer thread from a few days ago. ;)

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Getting rid of the fascination people have with drugs.The_Versatile
Some people are fascinated. You can't change that. Should we lobby to get rid of some people's fascination with The Cure? Cause personally, their fans annoy me. :lol:

Oh snap! :lol:
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[QUOTE="AtvarU"] There is still the posibility of this happening with the cannabis, example they havent got any money to buy and they need there fix. People get the hump about these drug things because they always have the potential to lead on to other crimes. Dont you think?

Cannabis is not addicting. People don't commit crimes to get a "fix". :roll:
You do make some sense there, it would be silly to stick people in prision. Why not a day or two in the police station instead?AtvarU
Why even that? What's the point? Surely any influence of discouragement could be effectively conveyed with a steep fine. Just as with speeding.
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#24 The_Versatile
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[QUOTE="The_Versatile"][QUOTE="Bourbons3"]I'd support people having to pay fines for carrying cannabis up to a certain amount rather than go to prison. But I don't think cannabis itself should be decriminalised. Bourbons3
What you just described is a possible decriminalization scenario. So you are for it. Did you even read what I typed? :lol:

Yes I did. What you wrote wouldn't be decriminalisation at all. It would simply be a downgrading from prison time to a fine. It would still be a crime...

Decriminalization = No criminal record = No crime.
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I voted 'nay' only because it makes more sense to me to just outright legalize.
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#26 The_Versatile
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TC makes an excellent point. I believe you might have just changed my mind on this issue.Neon-Tiger
Thank you. :)
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#27 The_Versatile
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I voted 'nay' only because it makes more sense to me to just outright legalize.xxDustmanxx
One step at a time! :cry: You know America can't handle that... yet. Isn't decriminalization good enough? I think it would be. It'd be nice not to have to sweat having a criminal record anymore.
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#28 -xPANICx-
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nice thread tc. im for full legalization, but marijuana should be decriminalized at the very least.

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[QUOTE="Neon-Tiger"]TC makes an excellent point. I believe you might have just changed my mind on this issue.The_Versatile
Thank you. :)

Just kidding, I was already pro-decriminalization.
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[QUOTE="AtvarU"]You do make some sense there, it would be silly to stick people in prision. Why not a day or two in the police station instead?The_Versatile
Why even that? What's the point? Surely any influence of discouragement could be effectively conveyed with a steep fine. Just as with speeding.

2 Questions then

Who you having to pay a fine fo it have any effect on you?

Couldn't another form of discouragement be used like sending them to a anti drug program(I dont know the name)?

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#31 DaBrainz
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Not just weed, prohibition should be lifted on all drugs for the reasons TC mentioned. Let the drug addicts get their fix and save my tax dollars!

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[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]I voted 'nay' only because it makes more sense to me to just outright legalize.The_Versatile
One step at a time! :cry: You know America can't handle that... yet. Isn't decriminalization good enough? I think it would be. It'd be nice not to have to sweat having a criminal record anymore.

Yeah, i suppose we could decriminalize it at first, that would be alright. Although, it still makes more sense to just legalize.
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#33 Teenaged
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Notice I said decriminalized, not legalized.

The_Versatile

Wait, wait....

Doesnt dicriminalization equal legalization?

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Ah, Deity_Slapper! I didn't notice you were back.
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Ah, Deity_Slapper! I didn't notice you were back.FuriousGeorge08
Ah someone's alt-account, you must be an old user to notice his return...

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#36 The_Versatile
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Who you having to pay a fine fo it have any effect on you? AtvarU
County court, maybe? It's just like traffic court. Your driving record and your criminal record are seperate. That's why a speeding ticket isn't a crime, but rather an infraction. A mark on a seperate record that can't be held against you in a criminal trial.
Couldn't another form of discouragement be used like sending them to a anti drug program(I dont know the name)?AtvarU
Because everyone knows cannabis isn't like those other drugs. :lol: It wouldn't be effective. Nor would it make sense for someone to go to an anti-drug class over something that isn't potentially lethal, has a toxicity level of zero, has countless medicinal uses, and has a low level of abuse potential. What are they going to say? "Don't let pot enable you to raid your refrigerator!" A fine would be much more effective.
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And if we get all the stoners out of jail, less tax dollars spent to keep them there. You may have said that, I stopped 2 paragraphs from the bottom.
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[QUOTE="The_Versatile"]

Notice I said decriminalized, not legalized.

Teenaged

Wait, wait....

Doesnt dicriminalization equal legalization?

no

decriminalization- a lesser punishment than being completely illegal

legalization- well... i think we know what this means.

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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="The_Versatile"]

Notice I said decriminalized, not legalized.

-xPANICx-

Wait, wait....

Doesnt dicriminalization equal legalization?

no

decriminalization- a lesser punishment than being completely illegal

legalization- well... i think we know what this means.

Ah ok. Thanks for the info. :)

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[QUOTE="FuriousGeorge08"]Ah, Deity_Slapper! I didn't notice you were back.Teenaged

Ah someone's alt-account, you must be an old user to notice his return...

There's no rule that forbids multiple accounts.
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="FuriousGeorge08"]Ah, Deity_Slapper! I didn't notice you were back.FuriousGeorge08

Ah someone's alt-account, you must be an old user to notice his return...

There's no rule that forbids multiple accounts.

I know. I am just curious about who you are... :P

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[QUOTE="-xPANICx-"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Wait, wait....

Doesnt dicriminalization equal legalization?

Teenaged

no

decriminalization- a lesser punishment than being completely illegal

legalization- well... i think we know what this means.

Ah ok. Thanks for the info. :)

anytime :oops:

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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="FuriousGeorge08"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Ah someone's alt-account, you must be an old user to notice his return...

There's no rule that forbids multiple accounts.

I know. I am just curious about who you are... :P

Probably that LJS guy who I've noticed likes to disagree with me on just about everything. I guess he gets a rise out of it or something...
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#45 The_Versatile
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Doesnt dicriminalization equal legalization?Teenaged
Decriminalization means you won't inherit a criminal record for the offense. It will be confiscated, and you will be ticketed and ordered to pay a fine. If you don't pay the fine, THAT would become the crime. The courts could come after you for evading payment of a court-ordered fine. The fact that it was for cannabis possession wouldn't matter anymore.

And we can keep peaceful people out of prison. And have room for the real criminals. Also just think how good it would be for the economy if all stoners were let out of jail. Snack food purchases would go through the roof. If decriminalization ever passes, make sure you buy stock in AM/PM and 7-11 convenience stores. :)

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[QUOTE="AtvarU"] There is still the posibility of this happening with the cannabis, example they havent got any money to buy and they need there fix. People get the hump about these drug things because they always have the potential to lead on to other crimes. Dont you think? The_Versatile
Cannabis is not addicting. People don't commit crimes to get a "fix". :roll: [QUOTE="AtvarU"]

Sorry, but Cannabis can be addictive. Its just like every other drug in that regard. My brother smoked it for 5 years and when he decided to quit he experienced he following: heart palputations, anxiety, paranoia, insomnia and he had vivid nightmares when he did manage to sleep. I'm not saying everyone who gives up will have a bad time like my brother but weed CAN be addictive. Both physically and mentally.

I actually support decriminalization of the stuff though. But please don't talk like cannabis is a drug with no side-effects whatsoever because it isn't.

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Very true. Never heard of anyone getting glassed, stabbed or kicked to death by a gang of weed users. Bazfrag
There have been countless cases of that; what about the drug dealers themselves? I think what you mean is people who are stoned doing those things. Cannabis isn't an "entry drug" per se, but the vast majority of hard drug users also use weed.
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#48 Mikey132
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I totally support it 100%. I'd even supoort Legalizing it. Alcohol is more of drug than Weed.

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[QUOTE="Bazfrag"]Very true. Never heard of anyone getting glassed, stabbed or kicked to death by a gang of weed users. AirGuitarist87
There have been countless cases of that; what about the drug dealers themselves? I think what you mean is people who are stoned doing those things. Cannabis isn't an "entry drug" per se, but the vast majority of hard drug users also use weed.

Then those hard drug users do it to get a fix for the hard drugs. They're not robbing people for weed money. When people run out of weed, that's it. They're just out until they can get some more. The right way.
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#50 xxDustmanxx
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[QUOTE="The_Versatile"][QUOTE="AtvarU"] There is still the posibility of this happening with the cannabis, example they havent got any money to buy and they need there fix. People get the hump about these drug things because they always have the potential to lead on to other crimes. Dont you think? manicfoot

Cannabis is not addicting. People don't commit crimes to get a "fix". :roll:

Sorry, but Cannabis can be addictive. Its just like every other drug in that regard. My brother smoked it for 5 years and when he decided to quit he experienced he following: heart palputations, anxiety, paranoia, insomnia and he had vivid nightmares when he did manage to sleep. I'm not saying everyone who gives up will have a bad time like my brother but weed CAN be addictive. Both physically and mentally.

I actually support decriminalization of the stuff though. But please don't talk like cannabis is a drug with no side-effects whatsoever because it isn't.

AtvarU
That sounds more like generalized anxiety disorder and depression, something that the cannabis was probably helping him with prior to quitting.