Everybody SHOULD Support Decriminalization of Cannabis... EVERYBODY

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#51 AirGuitarist87
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Cannabis is not addicting. People don't commit crimes to get a "fix". :roll:The_Versatile
Anything's addicting. There is a difference between psychological addiction and physical addiction, but when it gets to a certain point there's really no difference. Besides, people have committed crimes for far less.
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#52 The_Versatile
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[QUOTE="manicfoot"] Sorry, but Cannabis can be addictive. Its just like every other drug in that regard. My brother smoked it for 5 years and when he decided to quit he experienced he following: heart palputations, anxiety, paranoia, insomnia and he had vivid nightmares when he did manage to sleep. I'm not saying everyone who gives up will have a bad time like my brother but weed CAN be addictive. Both physically and mentally. I actually support decriminalization of the stuff though. But please don't talk like cannabis is a drug with no side-effects whatsoever because it isn't.

It usually isn't... your brother's scenario is an extremely rare one. I haven't heard of such things happeneing upon quitting use. Are you sure he wasn't doing other things too? Perhaps he was smoking impure pot as well. It's been proven to not be physically addicting, and mentally... well, there's no such thing as mental addiction. The word is "fascination". "Mental addiction" is apparently a real-term, yet a non-existent thing. I'm suprised it's so widely used. It's almost as if it's slang for fascination, and people just started to go with it.
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#53 The_Versatile
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[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][QUOTE="manicfoot"] Sorry, but Cannabis can be addictive. Its just like every other drug in that regard. My brother smoked it for 5 years and when he decided to quit he experienced he following: heart palputations, anxiety, paranoia, insomnia and he had vivid nightmares when he did manage to sleep. I'm not saying everyone who gives up will have a bad time like my brother but weed CAN be addictive. Both physically and mentally. I actually support decriminalization of the stuff though. But please don't talk like cannabis is a drug with no side-effects whatsoever because it isn't.

That sounds more like generalized anxiety disorder and depression, something that the cannabis was probably helping him with prior to quitting.

Probably. :lol: Once his brother quit the medication, his illness returned. I should have thought of that, because yes, there is no physical addiction - and therefore withdrawl - from ceasing use of cannabis.
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#54 AirGuitarist87
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[QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"][QUOTE="Bazfrag"]Very true. Never heard of anyone getting glassed, stabbed or kicked to death by a gang of weed users. The_Versatile
There have been countless cases of that; what about the drug dealers themselves? I think what you mean is people who are stoned doing those things. Cannabis isn't an "entry drug" per se, but the vast majority of hard drug users also use weed.

Then those hard drug users do it to get a fix for the hard drugs. They're not robbing people for weed money. When people run out of weed, that's it. They're just out until they can get some more. The right way.

There are good weed users as there are bad weed users. I have a load of friends (and friends of friends) who are heavy weed users and they do steal things to pay for their habit. But the question raised is whether weed is actually an entry drug to harder substances (slippery slope).
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#55 The_Versatile
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people have committed crimes for far less. AirGuitarist87
Of course they have. But those are criminals! A person who smokes pot is not in the mood to commit crimes, I promise you. :lol: And they don't commit crimes to get more. Maybe it's happened here and there, but it's widely known that potheads don't go on crime sprees to support their... hobby. Smoking cannabis generally tends to influence one to be a more peaceful and friendly person as well, so even if there were criminalistic urges residing within someone, there's a great chance it would be diminshed simply by using the cannabis.
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[QUOTE="The_Versatile"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][QUOTE="manicfoot"] Sorry, but Cannabis can be addictive. Its just like every other drug in that regard. My brother smoked it for 5 years and when he decided to quit he experienced he following: heart palputations, anxiety, paranoia, insomnia and he had vivid nightmares when he did manage to sleep. I'm not saying everyone who gives up will have a bad time like my brother but weed CAN be addictive. Both physically and mentally. I actually support decriminalization of the stuff though. But please don't talk like cannabis is a drug with no side-effects whatsoever because it isn't.

That sounds more like generalized anxiety disorder and depression, something that the cannabis was probably helping him with prior to quitting.

Probably. :lol: Once his brother quit the medication, his illness returned. I should have thought of that, because yes, there is no physical addiction - and therefore withdrawl - from ceasing use of cannabis.

Yeap, his subjective experience isnt going to trump scientific/medical study.
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#57 The_Versatile
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[QUOTE="The_Versatile"][QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"] There have been countless cases of that; what about the drug dealers themselves? I think what you mean is people who are stoned doing those things. Cannabis isn't an "entry drug" per se, but the vast majority of hard drug users also use weed.AirGuitarist87
Then those hard drug users do it to get a fix for the hard drugs. They're not robbing people for weed money. When people run out of weed, that's it. They're just out until they can get some more. The right way.

There are good weed users as there are bad weed users. I have a load of friends (and friends of friends) who are heavy weed users and they do steal things to pay for their habit. But the question raised is whether weed is actually an entry drug to harder substances (slippery slope).

It's not an gateway drug. It's a personality issue. Some people will constantly seek out a bigger thrill, but that has nothing to do with pot. If any drugs are gateway drugs, it would be the legal, readily available ones. But it's not even that. Certain people move on to harder drugs because they crave the thrill, other people stick with weed, because it's all they're interested in. It has to do with personality. Weed doesn't morph people into psychotic, drug craving lunatics who just have to keep climbing higher and higher.
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Agreed.

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Personally i dont like anything that you smoke/sniff or inject. IMO its just not worthi it in thelong run. Maybe cos i understand exacly what goes on biologically and i dontlike it. Alsoi would hate to think of myself as being addicted to anything.

I cant really say weather i think its right that its against the law to use at the moment cos lets face it if you want cannabis you can get it but the fact that it can seriously mess you up seems like a fair reason toat least try to minimize the use.

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#60 The_Versatile
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It's sad how many people are voting nay. :( Don't you guys understand the concept of decriminalization? Those stoners you hate so much would still get busted, it's just that we'd have more room for ACTUAL criminals in our prisons, making our communities safer. Why wouldn't you want that? :?
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Personally i dont like anything that you smoke/sniff or inject. IMO its just not worthi it in thelong run. Maybe cos i understand exacly what goes on biologically and i dontlike it. Alsoi would hate to think of myself as being addicted to anything.

I cant really say weather i think its right that its against the law to use at the moment cos lets face it if you want cannabis you can get it but the fact that it can seriously mess you up seems like a fair reason toat least try to minimize the use.

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you can also injest marijuana, its healthier and a overal better high

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#62 The_Versatile
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Personally i dont like anything that you smoke/sniff or inject. IMO its just not worthi it in thelong run. Maybe cos i understand exacly what goes on biologically and i dontlike it. Alsoi would hate to think of myself as being addicted to anything.Wolls
I don't think you do understand what goes on "biologically", to be honest. You think it's addicting...
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Personally i dont like anything that you smoke/sniff or inject. IMO its just not worthi it in thelong run. Maybe cos i understand exacly what goes on biologically and i dontlike it. Alsoi would hate to think of myself as being addicted to anything.

I cant really say weather i think its right that its against the law to use at the moment cos lets face it if you want cannabis you can get it but the fact that it can seriously mess you up seems like a fair reason toat least try to minimize the use.

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You dont understand, weed helps me, dont act like you know unless you tried it sexy kiddo.

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[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][QUOTE="manicfoot"] Sorry, but Cannabis can be addictive. Its just like every other drug in that regard. My brother smoked it for 5 years and when he decided to quit he experienced he following: heart palputations, anxiety, paranoia, insomnia and he had vivid nightmares when he did manage to sleep. I'm not saying everyone who gives up will have a bad time like my brother but weed CAN be addictive. Both physically and mentally. I actually support decriminalization of the stuff though. But please don't talk like cannabis is a drug with no side-effects whatsoever because it isn't.The_Versatile
That sounds more like generalized anxiety disorder and depression, something that the cannabis was probably helping him with prior to quitting.

Probably. :lol: Once his brother quit the medication, his illness returned. I should have thought of that, because yes, there is no physical addiction - and therefore withdrawl - from ceasing use of cannabis.

Are you being serious? Despite knowing nothing about my brother you're just assiming he had some sort of anxiety disorder that weed was covering up? SERIOUSLY? First of all, my brother isn't normally an anxious person. He's the outgoing type and I'M the anxious/depressed one. Because of this he found the whole experience quite scary because it HAD NEVER HAPPENED TO HIM BEFORE. He hasn't done any other drugs either. Doing a quick google search proves that my brother isn't alone: http://www.steadyhealth.com/Symptoms_of_the_marijuana_withdrawals_t52868.html check out some of the posts in that thread. Some say they did other drugs, some say they did just weed for 3.5 years. Did they all have undiagnosed anxiety disorders as well? :roll:

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[QUOTE="Wolls"]Personally i dont like anything that you smoke/sniff or inject. IMO its just not worthi it in thelong run. Maybe cos i understand exacly what goes on biologically and i dontlike it. Alsoi would hate to think of myself as being addicted to anything.The_Versatile
I don't think you do understand what goes on "biologically", to be honest. You think it's addicting...

Man, i suggest that you don't even bother, people are run by ignorance these days. In the meantime more and more scientific study will go into cannabis and eventually people will become more informed. You certainly aren't going to convince everyone on a video game forum.
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[QUOTE="The_Versatile"]Of course they have. But those are criminals! A person who smokes pot is not in the mood to commit crimes, I promise you. :lol: And they don't commit crimes to get more. Maybe it's happened here and there, but it's widely known that potheads don't go on crime sprees to support their... hobby. Smoking cannabis generally tends to influence one to be a more peaceful and friendly person as well, so even if there were criminalistic urges residing within someone, there's a great chance it would be diminshed simply by using the cannabis.

Without sounding condescending; weed users are criminals too, no matter which way you look at it. Until it's legalised; buying, selling and using weed will make what you're doing a criminal activity and therefore you're a criminal. I'm not sure what the minimalisation of their crimes is for. "Maybe it happens here and there" isn't a very strong argument. I'm getting the idea that you're applying anecdotal evidence of how you or your friends deal with the lack of weed to the whole cannabis smoking population. There are plenty of people who commit crimes for weed as there are people who commit crimes for alcohol addiction. While I can't deny that cannabis does make you more lax, drugs have a habit of affecting different people in different ways. Especially nowadays when dealers are breeding stronger plants and cutting them with all sorts of crap, it's too unpredictable to say that for certain.
It's not an gateway drug. It's a personality issue. Some people will constantly seek out a bigger thrill, but that has nothing to do with pot. If any drugs are gateway drugs, it would be the legal, readily available ones. But it's not even that. Certain people move on to harder drugs because they crave the thrill, other people stick with weed, because it's all they're interested in. It has to do with personality. Weed doesn't morph people into psychotic, drug craving lunatics who just have to keep climbing higher and higher.The_Versatile
The reason a lot consider it a gateway drug is because of this strange statistic where the vast majority of weed exclusives (people who's only illegal drug use is weed) aren't criminals, but the vast majority of people who are addicted to hard drugs are also weed smokers. No-one can say for certain in either direction as there really isn't that much convincing evidence. Thrill seekers is a valid point, though, but you can also apply it to addictive personalities.
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[QUOTE="The_Versatile"][QUOTE="Wolls"]Personally i dont like anything that you smoke/sniff or inject. IMO its just not worthi it in thelong run. Maybe cos i understand exacly what goes on biologically and i dontlike it. Alsoi would hate to think of myself as being addicted to anything.xxDustmanxx
I don't think you do understand what goes on "biologically", to be honest. You think it's addicting...

Man, i suggest that you don't even bother, people are run by ignorance these days. In the meantime more and more scientific study will go into cannabis and eventually people will become more informed. You certainly aren't going to convince everyone on a video game forum.

The irony of this post is outstanding!

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You know something, I don't advocate tobacco or alcohol, so I won't advocate cannabis either.
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[QUOTE="The_Versatile"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"] That sounds more like generalized anxiety disorder and depression, something that the cannabis was probably helping him with prior to quitting.manicfoot

Probably. :lol: Once his brother quit the medication, his illness returned. I should have thought of that, because yes, there is no physical addiction - and therefore withdrawl - from ceasing use of cannabis.

Are you being serious? Despite knowing nothing about my brother you're just assiming he had some sort of anxiety disorder that weed was covering up? SERIOUSLY? First of all, my brother isn't normally an anxious person. He's the outgoing type and I'M the anxious/depressed one. Because of this he found the whole experience quite scary because it HAD NEVER HAPPENED TO HIM BEFORE. He hasn't done any other drugs either. Doing a quick google search proves that my brother isn't alone: http://www.steadyhealth.com/Symptoms_of_the_marijuana_withdrawals_t52868.html check out some of the posts in that thread. Some say they did other drugs, some say they did just weed for 3.5 years. Did they all have undiagnosed anxiety disorders as well? :roll:

Yeap, marijuana is associated with depression and anxiety, but definitely is not physically addictive. Sorry buddy, it seems that your brother has suffered from long term side affects of cannabis use, not withdrawal. You also pointed out that you are the anxious one, which would suggest a trend. Also, you haven't elaborated on the specifics of your brothers personal life. There are way too many factors that go into depression and anxiety for you to immediately and subjectively assume that cannabis is addictive.
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You know something, I don't advocate tobacco or alcohol, so I won't advocate cannabis either.JustPlainLucas
That's cool with me. At least you're consistent... but... you don't think having more room in prisons for hardened criminals would be better?
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[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][QUOTE="The_Versatile"][QUOTE="Wolls"]Personally i dont like anything that you smoke/sniff or inject. IMO its just not worthi it in thelong run. Maybe cos i understand exacly what goes on biologically and i dontlike it. Alsoi would hate to think of myself as being addicted to anything.DaBrainz

I don't think you do understand what goes on "biologically", to be honest. You think it's addicting...

Man, i suggest that you don't even bother, people are run by ignorance these days. In the meantime more and more scientific study will go into cannabis and eventually people will become more informed. You certainly aren't going to convince everyone on a video game forum.

The irony of this post is outstanding!

Oh crap, you are right. One of the many drawbacks of being human i suppose...
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[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]You know something, I don't advocate tobacco or alcohol, so I won't advocate cannabis either.The_Versatile
That's cool with me. At least you're consistent... but... you don't think having more room in prisons for hardened criminals would be better?

I don't believe in making exceptions just because of living constraints within the prison system. The problem is not that the effects warrant anything to be considered illegal, but the fact that it is an illegal substance and people are still abusing or selling it. It doesn't matter if grape Kool-Aid was made illegal; if people are knowingly and repeatedly breaking a law, they need to be punished for it, whether or not one deems the law to be a correct one.
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Without sounding condescending; weed users are criminals too, no matter which way you look at it. Until it's legalised; buying, selling and using weed will make what you're doing a criminal activity and therefore you're a criminal. AirGuitarist87
That's the problem. It shouldn't be considered a criminal act, because there are no victims from casual cannabis consumption. It's a victimless crime. All other relative "crimes" that occur, such as shoot-outs between dealers, are only a result of the illegality of the substance to begin with, creating a black market. The law of prohibition itself causes a lot more harm than the substance being prohibited, just as with alcohol in the 1920's... only this time it's even more ridiculous.
Especially nowadays when dealers are breeding stronger plants and cutting them with all sorts of crap. AirGuitarist87
Growers breed more potent plants, not dealers. And they're only maximizing the potential of the plants' potency to begin with. It's not like their creating deformities. Technology advances, and grow methods have become more advanced as a result. And not just with cannabis, but with all other herbs, vegetables, and fruits you can grow too. And you can't "cut" weed. Sometimes hashish is cut with things like butane and molasses, and other drugs such as cocaine obviously can be cut easily with baking soda, but not the flowers of the cannabis plant. Any additives to the buds would be easily noticable, and you would just not use them.
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decriminalization would be a good first step, but that doesn't eliminate the drug dealers or the hurt the drug cartels. It needs to be legalized.

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[QUOTE="Wolls"]Personally i dont like anything that you smoke/sniff or inject. IMO its just not worthi it in thelong run. Maybe cos i understand exacly what goes on biologically and i dontlike it. Alsoi would hate to think of myself as being addicted to anything.The_Versatile
I don't think you do understand what goes on "biologically", to be honest. You think it's addicting...

As you yourself stated before, it is a personality issue. People can get addicted to ANYTHING upon regular use. People get addicted to coffee, so im pretty sure it is possible to get addicted to weed. Okay, i agree that it is not addictive in the sense of tobacco addiction or heroin addiction, but none the less, it can become addictive. Hell, 2 of my friends were addicted and had to seek help around 4 years ago.
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I don't believe in making exceptions just because of living constraints within the prison system. The problem is not that the effects warrant anything to be considered illegal, but the fact that it is an illegal substance and people are still abusing or selling it. It doesn't matter if grape Kool-Aid was made illegal; if people are knowingly and repeatedly breaking a law, they need to be punished for it, whether or not one deems the law to be a correct one. JustPlainLucas
That's ridiculous, with all due respect. Unjust laws should NEVER be supported by citizens. We the people, remember? So you don't advocate cannabis, that's swell. But do you also not advocate taking measures to create safer communities? Safer places to raise children? Safer places to walk at night? Less crimes being committed? Police resources being directed towards serious crimes, rather than focusing on petty crap like a stoner kid with a joint on his ear? Are you not an advocate of such things? That's something that decriminalization of cannabis would assist with, greatly.
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[QUOTE="manicfoot"]

[QUOTE="The_Versatile"] Probably. :lol: Once his brother quit the medication, his illness returned. I should have thought of that, because yes, there is no physical addiction - and therefore withdrawl - from ceasing use of cannabis.xxDustmanxx

Are you being serious? Despite knowing nothing about my brother you're just assiming he had some sort of anxiety disorder that weed was covering up? SERIOUSLY? First of all, my brother isn't normally an anxious person. He's the outgoing type and I'M the anxious/depressed one. Because of this he found the whole experience quite scary because it HAD NEVER HAPPENED TO HIM BEFORE. He hasn't done any other drugs either. Doing a quick google search proves that my brother isn't alone: http://www.steadyhealth.com/Symptoms_of_the_marijuana_withdrawals_t52868.html check out some of the posts in that thread. Some say they did other drugs, some say they did just weed for 3.5 years. Did they all have undiagnosed anxiety disorders as well? :roll:

Yeap, marijuana is associated with depression and anxiety, but definitely is not physically addictive. Sorry buddy, it seems that your brother has suffered from long term side affects of cannabis use, not withdrawal. You also pointed out that you are the anxious one, which would suggest a trend. Also, you haven't elaborated on the specifics of your brothers personal life. There are way too many factors that go into depression and anxiety for you to immediately and subjectively assume that cannabis is addictive.

Ok, you've acknowledged that it has negative side effects. That's pretty much all I wanted. I may have mistaken side effects for withdrawl symptoms. I'm just tired of people acting like cannabis is a drug with no negative side effects whatsoever. Also, please stop implying that my brother is depressed. He isn't at all. We may be related but me and him are pretty much polar opposites.

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I don't even like weed but I don't think people should go to prison for smoking a joint. Not only is this punishment silly, it's often counter-productive and turns people into real criminals. We waste far too much money and effort on enforcing it, and the gains are non-existent and in my opinion counter productive.
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[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]I don't believe in making exceptions just because of living constraints within the prison system. The problem is not that the effects warrant anything to be considered illegal, but the fact that it is an illegal substance and people are still abusing or selling it. It doesn't matter if grape Kool-Aid was made illegal; if people are knowingly and repeatedly breaking a law, they need to be punished for it, whether or not one deems the law to be a correct one. The_Versatile
That's ridiculous, with all due respect. Unjust laws should NEVER be supported by citizens. We the people, remember? So you don't advocate cannabis, that's swell. But do you also not advocate taking measures to create safer communities? Safer places to raise children? Safer places to walk at night? Less crimes being committed? Police resources being directed towards serious crimes, rather than focusing on petty crap like a stoner kid with a joint on his ear? Are you not an advocate of such things? That's something that decriminalization of cannabis would assist with, greatly.

How about a kid who was constantly on the honor role who let his grades decline because he was busy smoking weed and began to forget things and lose focus because he was able to buy from a drug dealer who was no longer considered a criminal? We have to support our laws, or otherwise we'd just do whatever the hell we pleased with no concern of repurcussion. I think you're a tad to passionate with your defense to be honest.
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It should be legalized because it's harmless and people have the right to take any substance they want into their body. That said, I would never use marijuana because it's disgusting and "stoner culture" is a disgrace to the human race.
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[QUOTE="The_Versatile"][QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]You know something, I don't advocate tobacco or alcohol, so I won't advocate cannabis either.JustPlainLucas
That's cool with me. At least you're consistent... but... you don't think having more room in prisons for hardened criminals would be better?

I don't believe in making exceptions just because of living constraints within the prison system. The problem is not that the effects warrant anything to be considered illegal, but the fact that it is an illegal substance and people are still abusing or selling it. It doesn't matter if grape Kool-Aid was made illegal; if people are knowingly and repeatedly breaking a law, they need to be punished for it, whether or not one deems the law to be a correct one.

That's a joke right?

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#82 Mikey132
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I see all this talk about if weed is addicting.

Weed is "Mentally" and "Physically" addicting.I've been smoking it for 15 or 16 years now, I should know. Take all your books and studies and throw them out the window. I've got enough experience here to say it's addicting. More in some than others.

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#83 SmokingCrack
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I see all this talk about if weed is addicting.

Weed is "Mentally" and "Physically" addicting.I've been smoking it for 15 or 16 years now, I should know. Take all your books and studies and throw them out the window. I've got enough experience here to say it's addicting. More in some than others.

Mikey132
Weed is not physically addicting. Sorry. You need to take a few more science classes.
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#84 JustPlainLucas
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I don't even like weed but I don't think people should go to prison for smoking a joint. Not only is this punishment silly, it's often counter-productive and turns people into real criminals. We waste far too much money and effort on enforcing it, and the gains are non-existent and in my opinion counter productive.dnuggs40
Well, do you feel people should be ticked for speeding or running red lights and stop signs when there's no one around?
It should be legalized because it's harmless and people have the right to take any substance they want into their body. That said, I would never use marijuana because it's disgusting and "stoner culture" is a disgrace to the human race.SmokingCrack
So you say that people have the right to kill themselves by injesting arsenic?
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#85 dnuggs40
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[QUOTE="SmokingCrack"]It should be legalized because it's harmless and people have the right to take any substance they want into their body. That said, I would never use marijuana because it's disgusting and "stoner culture" is a disgrace to the human race.

I wouldn't say that..in fact I would say that's quite silly. I know people who are multi-millionaires, respected business men/women, and captains of industry who basically smoke pot quite often...some every day. You would be surprised who smokes pot and you wouldn't even know it.
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#86 The_Versatile
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[QUOTE="The_Versatile"][QUOTE="Wolls"]Personally i dont like anything that you smoke/sniff or inject. IMO its just not worthi it in thelong run. Maybe cos i understand exacly what goes on biologically and i dontlike it. Alsoi would hate to think of myself as being addicted to anything.skiesfall
I don't think you do understand what goes on "biologically", to be honest. You think it's addicting...

As you yourself stated before, it is a personality issue. People can get addicted to ANYTHING upon regular use. People get addicted to coffee, so im pretty sure it is possible to get addicted to weed. Okay, i agree that it is not addictive in the sense of tobacco addiction or heroin addiction, but none the less, it can become addictive. Hell, 2 of my friends were addicted and had to seek help around 4 years ago.

Only problem with your post is, that you don't know that cannabis isn't addicting. Biologically speaking and all... Maybe your friends felt like their fascination with cannabis was distracting them from other things in life (which can happen), so much to the point that they mistakenly thought they were addicted. People do not go through withdrawls after quitting smoking cannabis. People still don't seem to understand the difference between addiction and fascination. When you get addicted to something, you can't function normally without it. This is only a physical effect. the body changes to accomodate the new substance being intrduced to the system, and after changing, if you cease in providing this substance, your body becomes confused, and you get sick as a result. Of course, the sickness is simply your body fighting off the negative consequences of being deprived of something that it had been convinced was a necessity. Eventually, your body recovers and things return to normal. Fascination means, you're just really fond of it. So fond, you do it frequently. Frequently enough that it can become habitual. Habits can be tough to break, but only because you began to structure your everyday agenda around your habits, and the change can be annoying. Like with music, video games, and... weed. You can live without those things if you had to. You wouldn't become physically ill without them, because you're not dependent on those things. It's the same reason we know, as gamers, that all those reports of video game addiction are bogus. Sure we like to play, but if we have to go without them for a while, we know we're not going to be curled up in a ball in a dirty corner, screaming our eyes out, whining about the pain.
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[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][QUOTE="manicfoot"]

Are you being serious? Despite knowing nothing about my brother you're just assiming he had some sort of anxiety disorder that weed was covering up? SERIOUSLY? First of all, my brother isn't normally an anxious person. He's the outgoing type and I'M the anxious/depressed one. Because of this he found the whole experience quite scary because it HAD NEVER HAPPENED TO HIM BEFORE. He hasn't done any other drugs either. Doing a quick google search proves that my brother isn't alone: http://www.steadyhealth.com/Symptoms_of_the_marijuana_withdrawals_t52868.html check out some of the posts in that thread. Some say they did other drugs, some say they did just weed for 3.5 years. Did they all have undiagnosed anxiety disorders as well? :roll:

manicfoot

Yeap, marijuana is associated with depression and anxiety, but definitely is not physically addictive. Sorry buddy, it seems that your brother has suffered from long term side affects of cannabis use, not withdrawal. You also pointed out that you are the anxious one, which would suggest a trend. Also, you haven't elaborated on the specifics of your brothers personal life. There are way too many factors that go into depression and anxiety for you to immediately and subjectively assume that cannabis is addictive.

Ok, you've acknowledged that it has negative side effects. That's pretty much all I wanted. I may have mistaken side effects for withdrawl symptoms. I'm just tired of people acting like cannabis is a drug with no negative side effects whatsoever. Also, please stop implying that my brother is depressed. He isn't at all. We may be related but me and him are pretty much polar opposites.

Fine by me. I apologize if i may have caused you discomfort.
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[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"][QUOTE="The_Versatile"] That's cool with me. At least you're consistent... but... you don't think having more room in prisons for hardened criminals would be better?xxDustmanxx

I don't believe in making exceptions just because of living constraints within the prison system. The problem is not that the effects warrant anything to be considered illegal, but the fact that it is an illegal substance and people are still abusing or selling it. It doesn't matter if grape Kool-Aid was made illegal; if people are knowingly and repeatedly breaking a law, they need to be punished for it, whether or not one deems the law to be a correct one.

That's a joke right?

Can't I have an opinion? There's laws I do'nt agree with, but that doesn't mean I'm going to break t hem anyway. And even I do, I can't complain, because I broke a law knowingly.
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Decriminalization, legalization and publicization.
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#90 SmokingCrack
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So you say that people have the right to kill themselves by injesting arsenic?JustPlainLucas
Do they have the right? Yes, of course. People are free to do whatever they please. Doesn't mean it's not stupid. [QUOTE="dnuggs40"]I wouldn't say that..in fact I would say that's quite silly. I know people who are multi-millionaires, respected business men/women, and captains of industry who basically smoke pot quite often...some every day. You would be surprised who smokes pot and you wouldn't even know it.

Of course, but too many people are already part of this culture and it's only going to grow as time goes on.
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#91 Mikey132
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[QUOTE="Mikey132"]

I see all this talk about if weed is addicting.

Weed is "Mentally" and "Physically" addicting.I've been smoking it for 15 or 16 years now, I should know. Take all your books and studies and throw them out the window. I've got enough experience here to say it's addicting. More in some than others.

SmokingCrack

Weed is not physically addicting. Sorry. You need to take a few more science classes.

Sorry yes it is. You just should stop believing everything you read. I've snorted coc, smoked crack. I've done acid and extasy. I know full well what an addiction is.

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That's the problem. It shouldn't be considered a criminal act, because there are no victims from casual cannabis consumption. It's a victimless crime. All other relative "crimes" that occur, such as shoot-outs between dealers, are only a result of the illegality of the substance to begin with, creating a black market. The law of prohibition itself causes a lot more harm than the substance being prohibited, just as with alcohol in the 1920's... only this time it's even more ridiculous.The_Versatile
In criminological terms, that's what's called "migrating". Even if weed was legalised, or all drugs for that matter, these dealers wouldn't suddenly turn round and say "...bugger...better get a respectable job, then". They'd simply move onto the next illegal thing that was in demand and the whole process of what should be legalised will start all over. [QUOTE="The_Versatile"]Growers breed more potent plants, not dealers. And they're only maximizing the potential of the plants' potency to begin with. It's not like their creating deformities. Technology advances, and grow methods have become more advanced as a result. And not just with cannabis, but with all other herbs, vegetables, and fruits you can grow too. And you can't "cut" weed. Sometimes hashish is cut with things like butane and molasses, and other drugs such as cocaine obviously can be cut easily with baking soda, but not the flowers of the cannabis plant. Any additives to the buds would be easily noticable, and you would just not use them.

Yeah, I did mean hash when I said that. But if weed is as safe as alcohol, and argument I hear a lot, wouldn't "maximising it's potency" be akin to having a higher percentage in a drink? I'm not that well read in terms of cannabis research, but I'm almost certain you can overdose on almost any drug out there. Making any drug stronger is bound to have implications.
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#93 xxDustmanxx
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[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]

[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]I don't believe in making exceptions just because of living constraints within the prison system. The problem is not that the effects warrant anything to be considered illegal, but the fact that it is an illegal substance and people are still abusing or selling it. It doesn't matter if grape Kool-Aid was made illegal; if people are knowingly and repeatedly breaking a law, they need to be punished for it, whether or not one deems the law to be a correct one. JustPlainLucas

That's a joke right?

Can't I have an opinion? There's laws I do'nt agree with, but that doesn't mean I'm going to break t hem anyway. And even I do, I can't complain, because I broke a law knowingly.

Unjust and oppressive laws sometimes call for civil disobedience. Especially when they make little to no sense and infringe on basic sentient being rights. If i were to get caught smoking a joint, i wont apologize...in doing so i would be lying to myself and others.
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#94 SmokingCrack
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[QUOTE="SmokingCrack"][QUOTE="Mikey132"]

I see all this talk about if weed is addicting.

Weed is "Mentally" and "Physically" addicting.I've been smoking it for 15 or 16 years now, I should know. Take all your books and studies and throw them out the window. I've got enough experience here to say it's addicting. More in some than others.

Mikey132

Weed is not physically addicting. Sorry. You need to take a few more science classes.

Sorry yes it is. You just should stop believing everything you read. I've snorted coc, smoked crack. I've done acid and extasy. I know full well what an addiction is.

Well, you've obviously never used heroin or it'd be clear to you what physical addiction is. Nice try. Coke and crack, acid and ecstasy aren't physically addicting either. You seem to attribute feeling **** after using a drug to it being physically addicting. Do some research.
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#95 dnuggs40
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Coke and crack are definetly physically addictive...though I agree weed is not. It might create some sort of psychological dependence, though.

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My vote goes to........Drum Roll Please........YAY

No reason for our prisons and cops in general to have to keep smacking ppls hands over anthing under an OZ. Seriously, why waste tax payers money for this kind of thing. If caught driving while under the influence is a whole other ballgame. DWI is a crime.

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Of course, but too many people are already part of this culture and it's only going to grow as time goes on.SmokingCrack
No, no one has the right to kill themselves, or others. Just because you CAN doesn't make it a right.. .:|
Unjust and oppressive laws sometimes call for civil disobedience. Especially when they make little to no sense and infringe on basic sentient being rights. If i were to get caught smoking a joint, i wont apologize...in doing so i would be lying to myself and others.xxDustmanxx
What about crack smokers? Do you feel that the crack smokers who are able to toke up and live perfectly normal lives are being oppressed because smoking crack is against the law?
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[QUOTE="SmokingCrack"]Of course, but too many people are already part of this culture and it's only going to grow as time goes on.JustPlainLucas
No, no one has the right to kill themselves, or others. Just because you CAN doesn't make it a right.. .:|
Unjust and oppressive laws sometimes call for civil disobedience. Especially when they make little to no sense and infringe on basic sentient being rights. If i were to get caught smoking a joint, i wont apologize...in doing so i would be lying to myself and others.xxDustmanxx
What about crack smokers? Do you feel that the crack smokers who are able to toke up and live perfectly normal lives are being oppressed because smoking crack is against the law?

In my opinion, smoking crack is ridiculously stupid, but if dumb ass people want to do that, without harming others than they should be free to do so.