Evolution or Creationism? **With a poll :P**

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#51 zakkro
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[QUOTE="zakkro"][QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]actually it was lizards that evolved into birds.gobo212
Were you actually there and saw this "evolution"?

You don't believe in anything that you haven't witnessed first hand?

I sense you are going to ask how I could believe in something like God yet not witness him first hand, am I correct? I have witnessed his word.
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#52 zakkro
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[QUOTE="zakkro"][QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]Can you see gravity? (say yes I dare you) Guybrush_3

I can see the effects of gravity. I can't see lizards turning into birds. Are you suggesting that dogs can give births to cats?

I can see the effects of evolution. You would too if you bothered to do some research.

Research? Sorry, but I'm afraid I can think for myself and not have to listen to what others believe just because they're in a lab coat.
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#53 gobo212
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[QUOTE="zakkro"][QUOTE="gobo212"][QUOTE="zakkro"] Were you actually there and saw this "evolution"?

You don't believe in anything that you haven't witnessed first hand?

I sense you are going to ask how I could believe in something like God yet not witness him first hand, am I correct? I have witnessed his word.

Well that's all I need to know.
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#54 Guybrush_3
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[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

[QUOTE="zakkro"] I can see the effects of gravity. I can't see lizards turning into birds. Are you suggesting that dogs can give births to cats? zakkro

I can see the effects of evolution. You would too if you bothered to do some research.

I refuse to look at the evidence because it doesnt suport my view

fixed.

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[QUOTE="chrisrooR"]Guess you didn't catch the sarcasm in his post.foxhound_fox

Sarcasm? Why would I post something so obviously true sarcastically? The book is the infallible and perfect Word of God. It tells of the world's creation 6000 years ago, when everything was made in six days by the Almighty Creator.

Evolution is just a bunch of fallacies placed there by God to test humanities faith. Much like God killing Job's entire family. It didn't matter that all his loved ones and possessions were gone... as long as he remained faithful to God, that is all that mattered.

The Bible is not meant to be read literally.:| Everybody knows this. Words change over thousands of years. Meanings and phrases differ. Everything is symbolic.

By the way, your second paragraph is wrong. That is not what happened with Job.

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#56 zakkro
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fixed. Guybrush_3
Until you can show me an animal turning into another, I cannot accept evolutionism.
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#57 harashawn
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fixed.

Guybrush_3
In case you haven't noticed, scientists have been known to be wrong more often than not.
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#58 foxhound_fox
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The Bible is not meant to be read literally.:| Everybody knows this. Words change over thousands of years. Meanings and phrases differ.

By the way, your second paragraph is wrong. That is not what happened with Job.

Samurai_Xavier

The Bible is meant to be read literally. It is the exact recorded history of the world and how God put early men through moral tests in order to build modern society.

And of course that is what happened to Job, even though I haven't read it myself, that is what I'm told by others and thus must believe them since they have read the Bible.
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#59 harashawn
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The Bible is meant to be read literally. It is the exact recorded history of the world and how God put early men through moral tests in order to build modern society.foxhound_fox
I know you're only trying to annoy Christians, please stop.
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#60 Guybrush_3
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[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]fixed. zakkro
Until you can show me an animal turning into another, I cannot accept evolutionism.

lol @ evolutionism. I guess I also follow gravitism, cellism, and a relativism as well.

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#61 zakkro
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[QUOTE="zakkro"][QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]fixed. Guybrush_3

Until you can show me an animal turning into another, I cannot accept evolutionism.

lol @ evolutionism. I guess I also follow gravitism, cellism, and a relativism as well.

They're all just 'theories' and must be accepted by faith, so...
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#62 Guybrush_3
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[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]fixed.

harashawn

In case you haven't noticed, scientists have been known to be wrong more often than not.

Kind of like how Galileo was wrong and the church was right?

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#63 Guybrush_3
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[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

[QUOTE="zakkro"] Until you can show me an animal turning into another, I cannot accept evolutionism.zakkro

lol @ evolutionism. I guess I also follow gravitism, cellism, and a relativism as well.

They're all just 'theories' and must be accepted by faith, so...

you must be playing the same game as foxhound.

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#64 harashawn
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Kind of like how Galileo was wrong and the church was right?

Guybrush_3
I'm not sure what you're talking about. Please elaborate.
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#65 zakkro
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you must be playing the same game as foxhound.Guybrush_3
Yeah, I'm bored.
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#66 foxhound_fox
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I know you're only trying to annoy Christians, please stop. harashawn

You are ruining the fun. All I am doing is repeating the words of Creationist fundamentalists. And since there aren't any in this thread, I felt like playing devil's advocate and bringing their arguments to the table without them being present. It isn't a creation vs. evolution thread without religious fundamentalism and you are dooming this thread to death.
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#67 zakkro
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[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]fixed.

harashawn
In case you haven't noticed, scientists have been known to be wrong more often than not.

And what do they use to prove that they're wrong... ?
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#68 harashawn
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you are dooming this thread to death.foxhound_fox
Is there anything wrong with that?
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#69 Impulse808
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It is the moral obligation of man to follow God's word.
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#70 Guybrush_3
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[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

Kind of like how Galileo was wrong and the church was right?

harashawn

I'm not sure what you're talking about. Please elaborate.

The church imprisoned him because he said the earth was not the center of the universe, and it moves around the sun, based on the parts of the bible where it says that the earth can not move.

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[QUOTE="harashawn"][QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]fixed.

zakkro

In case you haven't noticed, scientists have been known to be wrong more often than not.

And what do they use to prove that they're wrong... ?

The bible... duh!

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Evolution is all wrong. The first human male was made out of dust and the first human female was made of the male's rib. DUH! :roll: :P

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#74 colecoavenger
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Evolution. How else does one explain Charmeleon?
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#75 Guybrush_3
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[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

The church imprisoned him because he said the earth was not the center of the universe, and it moves around the sun, based on the parts of the bible where it says that the earth can not move.

harashawn

I will answer your question because I know you are not a troll.

Yes, it was wrong for the Church to do that. I cannot justify someone else's mistakes.

I really don't know what else you want me to say here.

don't use the bible to refute science (which is what often happens)

another thing. Scientic theories do not become theories without mountains of facts, laws, and empirical evidence to back them up. A theory does not become a theory without good reason. The part of science that is often wrong is hypothisises

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#76 harashawn
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don't use the bible to refute science (which is what often happens)

another thing. Scientic theories do not become theories without mountains of facts, laws, and empirical evidence to back them up. A theory does not become a theory without good reason. The part of science that is often wrong is hypothisises

Guybrush_3
A theory is simply something that has not yet been disproved. I have no doubt that evolution with be disproved eventually, and some other theory will take it's place.
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#77 zakkro
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[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

don't use the bible to refute science (which is what often happens)

another thing. Scientic theories do not become theories without mountains of facts, laws, and empirical evidence to back them up. A theory does not become a theory without good reason. The part of science that is often wrong is hypothisises

harashawn
A theory is simply something that has not yet been disproved. I have no doubt that evolution with be disproved eventually, and some other theory will take it's place.

You mean an explanation of accumulated facts and observances.
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#78 harashawn
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[QUOTE="zakkro"] You mean an explanation of accumulated facts and observances.

I'm pretty sure I know what I mean.
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#79 mattpunkgd
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Evolution. How else does one explain Charmeleon?colecoavenger
I Lol'd.
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#80 zakkro
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[QUOTE="harashawn"][QUOTE="zakkro"] You mean an explanation of accumulated facts and observances.

I'm pretty sure I know what I mean.

It's pretty callous thinking.
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[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

don't use the bible to refute science (which is what often happens)

another thing. Scientic theories do not become theories without mountains of facts, laws, and empirical evidence to back them up. A theory does not become a theory without good reason. The part of science that is often wrong is hypothisises

harashawn
A theory is simply something that has not yet been disproved. I have no doubt that evolution with be disproved eventually, and some other theory will take it's place.

That may be but that is no reason to endorse creationism or any other metaphysical explanation.
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#82 harashawn
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[QUOTE="gobo212"] That may be but that is no reason to endorse creationism or any other metaphysical explanation.

If you read my first post, you would know I am undecided on the issue.
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#83 gobo212
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[QUOTE="harashawn"][QUOTE="gobo212"] That may be but that is no reason to endorse creationism or any other metaphysical explanation.

If you read my first post, you would know I am undecided on the issue.

I did read it.
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#84 Guybrush_3
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[QUOTE="zakkro"] You mean an explanation of accumulated facts and observances.harashawn
I'm pretty sure I know what I mean.

then your understood definition is wrong. Why exactly are you so sure that it will one day be dissproved. Do you think the same thing about gravity, or cells?

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#85 harashawn
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then your understood definition is wrong.

Guybrush_3
Is a theory proven? Tell me how I am wrong.
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#86 Shad0ki11
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[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

then your understood definition is wrong.

harashawn

Is a theory proven? Tell me how I am wrong.

A theory can also be a fact. :P

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#87 zakkro
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[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

then your understood definition is wrong.

harashawn
Is a theory proven? Tell me how I am wrong.

It's an explanation of facts... which are objectively true.
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#88 gobo212
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[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

then your understood definition is wrong.

harashawn
Is a theory proven? Tell me how I am wrong.

Nothing in science is ever "proven" that's not the point.
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Evolution it is actually quite easy to see the evolutionary relationships between different plants and animals and this has further been supported by modern day genetics. Yes evolution is a theory but for that matter so is the theory of gravity and the theory of relativity. but theres a greater conumdrum here, if god is so great and perfect why would he create a universe at all ?
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#90 Guybrush_3
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[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

then your understood definition is wrong.

harashawn

Is a theory proven? Tell me how I am wrong.

You are equating it to a hypothosis.

The only things that are ever proven are in mathematics.

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#91 harashawn
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You are equating it to a hypothosis.

The only things that are ever proven are in mathematics.

Guybrush_3

I know a theory must be tested repeatedly before it can be considered a theory.

You still haven't told me why I am wrong.

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You are equating it to a hypothosis.

The only things that are ever proven absolutelyare in mathematics.

Guybrush_3

Fixed. Theories are just an explanation that is the most logical conclusion of the facts observed.
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#93 Guybrush_3
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[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

You are equating it to a hypothosis.

The only things that are ever proven are in mathematics.

harashawn

I know a theory must be tested repeatedly before it can be considered a theory.

You still haven't told me why I am wrong.

Your perception of science is off. You seem to think that things in science can be proven like they are in math. It doesnt work like that.

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[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]You are equating it to a hypothosis.

The only things that are ever proven absolutelyare in mathematics.

foxhound_fox


Fixed. Theories are just an explanation that is the most logical conclusion of the facts observed.

he wants absolute proof that evolution is true.

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#96 harashawn
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Your perception of science is off. You seem to think that things in science can be proven like they are in math. It doesnt work like that.

Guybrush_3
You may think my perception is off, but you haven't told me how I am wrong.
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#97 harashawn
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he wants absolute proof that evolution is true.

Guybrush_3
I don't want absolute proof for evolution, I want you to tell me how my definition of a theory is wrong.
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[QUOTE="harashawn"][QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

You are equating it to a hypothosis.

The only things that are ever proven are in mathematics.

Guybrush_3

I know a theory must be tested repeatedly before it can be considered a theory.

You still haven't told me why I am wrong.

Your perception of science is off. You seem to think that things in science can be proven like they are in math. It doesnt work like that.

you are 100% correct in all of your argument so far guybrush, science is just an obseravtion and interpretation of the world but one that has hard evidence to back its claims up, as such most things in science are just theorys and never facts

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#99 foxhound_fox
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he wants absolute proof that evolution is true. Guybrush_3

The evidence in support of evolution is as close to absolute as something can get in science. The fact that evolution is so well observed and documented... to deny it would nearly be like denying 2 + 2 = 4.
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#100 chris_yz80
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[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]he wants absolute proof that evolution is true.

harashawn

I don't want absolute proof for evolution, I want you to tell me how my definition of a theory is wrong.

actually you didnt define a definition of you theory of evolution you just said that a new theroy will take its place, i for one disagree especially when I consider modern genetics, itmay be refined but it will never be obselete