Fat-Pride is Stupid

[QUOTE="Dark-Sithious"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

Hmm, you're saying that people working their asses of can actually CONTRIBUTE to them getting fat?

Sort of contradicts the silly claim that all fat people are lazy.

Fact, a lot of people work LONG hours at jobs that REQUIRE them to sit on their asses all day. These people them come home to raise the damn kids, get very little sleep (hey, hasn't not getting enough sleep also been shown to contribute to obesity?), and then get right up and repeat that same routine every single day. I know it's hard for people who visit a videogame website to comprehend, but there are a hell of a lot of fat people whose lives consist pretty much entirely of WORK. They don't have time to watch TV, they don't have time to play videogames, and they certainly don't have time to freaking lift weights for 30 minutes a day. A lot of fat people would consider YOU AND I lazy for having the time to sit on our asses and waste time having this discussion.

MrGeezer

Don't have time for 30 minutes a day? That's a crap load of utter BS. And if that's true then poor kids, because their parents obviously don't have time for them other than feeding them and other vital tasks. Oh but then you say, didn't you read what I wrote, RAISE KIDS!!! Well, if they have time to raise those kids, why the **** can't they take their kids out for a walk? A vital part of raising kids, wether or not you realise it or not, is to teach themhow important it is to work out and eat healthy, that's why you shouldn't only work out, you should work out with your kids and encourage them to work out and eat healthy. And while you do that, you get a excersise as well. And doing some situps and pushups every other day won't take much time

And if these parents don't have time to do that with ther kids, they shouldn't even be parents in the first place.

Welcome to reality. Lot's of people are actually POOR. For many people and in many ways, good health is a LUXURY that many people simply cannot afford. WE have computers and PS3s and videogames and HDTVs. A lot of the people HERE are extremely WELL OFF and can't even even fathom how difficult it is for other people to improve their lot in life. WE have the luxury of being able to devote time towards eductaion, so that a spare 20 minutes is well-spent on exercising. But for a lot of OTHER people, they'd be far better off sitting on their asses and trying to learn something if they're lucky enough to get one free hour a day. The poor uneducated person with very limited free time would be VASTLY better off using that time to study than using it to go jogging. The very notion that it's even worth that kind time to exercise is reserved for the people who actually have that kind luxury.

Wth? That logic is so flawed I'm mind boggled. First of all if their so poor, how the hell did they become obese? Last time I checked buying food in a grocery store is cheaper than McDonalds. Here in Norway I have never even heard of a fat poor human, everytime there's reports on tv of really poor people they are skinny, and the really poor people from African countries and other 3rd world countries sure don't look fat.

And even if a fat guy in America is poor and hardly have any spar time, then that person should work out aswell. Workin out won't just make your fat % go down, you will feel better, your mind will be more balanced, hormones that make you happy will be released, you will also think more clearly, you will feel more energetic and you will look better.

Oh what will all does things do? Oh yes, increae your selfesteem which is VITAL if you want to achieve anything in life..

Wth? That logic is so flawed I'm mind boggled. First of all if their so poor, how the hell did they become obese? Last time I checked buying food in a grocery store is cheaper than McDonalds.

Dark-Sithious

I stopped reading there. If you think that fatness comes from McDonalds (or fast food in general), then it's highly unlikely that it's worth my time reading another word of what you typed.

[QUOTE="Manly-manly-man"] When your body's metabolism slows down, your body will store food as fat more readily regardless of how many calories you burn. If you are at an equilibrium of calories consumed and burned, and then your metabolism slows down, you will gain weight. Vandalvideo

Well, low metabolism leads to low burning of calories throughout the entire day, so getting your metabolism up and running is very important. Butmetabolism is irrelevant in the issue at hand as having a low metabolism doesn't in any way mean you shouldn't work out or eat healthy.

In fact low metabolism is caused by not working out and eating unhealthy. By eating unhealthy I mean eating big meals with lots of unhealthy fat and high GI carbs, eating big meals a few times a day, is not ideal at all for your metabolism. To get your metabolism up and running eat small meals ideally every 3 hours as the body to mention one thing needs fresh addition of proteins every 3 hours. If your body doesn't get the required proteins it will start to break down already existing muscle cells. As you all know muscle burns calories, so your muscles breaking down is not a good thing.

[QUOTE="Manly-manly-man"] You're still assuming the person has the drive or the time to eat healthy food and get excercise. YOU are not everyone. Vandalvideo

Personally, I'd say that if you're so health obsessed that you're out running miles while coughing vomit from a serious illness, then I tend to think that it's you who needs to examine YOURSELF.

I don't see how that kind of behaviour is in any way reasonable, much less expecting that everyone should find it as reasonable as you do.

damn...you run a 5 min mile...that's pretty good :lol: I struggle to do a sub-6 minute, but still running two miles at a jogging pace only takes like 20 minutes...the time excuse is pure BS. fat_rob

Yeah, I agree.

Also gaining some muscle can really help you lose weight, as every pound of muscle burns quite a lot of calories. Also an even better way to lose weight, is to change your eating habits. Working out is 70% nutrition, and if you want to lose weight you need to consume less unhealthy fat and carbs and more proteins.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Manly-manly-man"] When your body's metabolism slows down, your body will store food as fat more readily regardless of how many calories you burn. If you are at an equilibrium of calories consumed and burned, and then your metabolism slows down, you will gain weight. Dark-Sithious

Well, low metabolism leads to low burning of calories throughout the entire day, so getting your metabolism up and running is very important. Butmetabolism is irrelevant in the issue at hand as having a low metabolism doesn't in any way mean you shouldn't work out or eat healthy.

In fact low metabolism is caused by not working out and eating unhealthy. By eating unhealthy I mean eating big meals with lots of unhealthy fat and high GI carbs, eating big meals a few times a day, is not ideal at all for your metabolism. To get your metabolism up and running eat small meals ideally every 3 hours as the body to mention one thing needs fresh addition of proteins every 3 hours. If your body doesn't get the required proteins it will start to break down already existing muscle cells. As you all know muscle burns calories, so your muscles breaking down is not a good thing.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Manly-manly-man"] You're still assuming the person has the drive or the time to eat healthy food and get excercise. YOU are not everyone. MrGeezer

Personally, I'd say that if you're so health obsessed that you're out running miles while coughing vomit from a serious illness, then I tend to think that it's you who needs to examine YOURSELF.

I don't see how that kind of behaviour is in any way reasonable, much less expecting that everyone should find it as reasonable as you do.

[QUOTE="Dark-Sithious"]

Wth? That logic is so flawed I'm mind boggled. First of all if their so poor, how the hell did they become obese? Last time I checked buying food in a grocery store is cheaper than McDonalds.

MrGeezer

I stopped reading there. If you think that fatness comes from McDonalds (or fast food in general), then it's highly unlikely that it's worth my time reading another word of what you typed.

It was an example, and yes fatness most of the time comes from fast food. Fast food is food that is already made, or is very easy to prepare, like a pizza in the oven. So, then we have icecream, candy, soda, all kinds of snacks (ofc carrots in bags are healthy but I rarely see those in the store), pizza, burger, premade sandwhiches, chinese takeout, indian takeout, other takeouts (both these are unhealthy and fast food), fish and chips, muffins, cakes and such and more

So if you're saying that that the food mentioned above is not the cause of obesity for a whole lot of people, then you are just ignorant.

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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Then those people need to seriously examine themselves. If I can jog a 10 minute mile while coughing up vomit from the flu and ten feet under then they can do it.Vandalvideo

Personally, I'd say that if you're so health obsessed that you're out running miles while coughing vomit from a serious illness, then I tend to think that it's you who needs to examine YOURSELF.

I don't see how that kind of behaviour is in any way reasonable, much less expecting that everyone should find it as reasonable as you do.

Dude, that's not HEALTHY. Being healthy is more than about just keeping an "ideal" weight.

Now if YOU simply prefer to not miss your daily vigorous workout just because of the minor detail that you're really really ill, then that's your choice. But that IS unreasonable for you to expect anyone to have that kind of dedication to keeping thin. And If I personally saw someone vomiting during their daily run simply because they were too obsessive to take a few days when they were ill, I'd look upon then with just as much contempt as you hold for fat people.

[QUOTE="Dark-Sithious"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Metabolism be screwed. WOrking out qua working out. A set ammount of exercise will burn a set ammount of calories. If you eat 190calories and work out for 10 minutes on a treadmill, you burn 110-120 calories. You have a net of X ammount of calories. Metabolism won't affect that. If you get fat, simply eat less or workout more. It is very simple. As long as you don't go below your baseline caloric intake you're fine.Manly-manly-man

Well, low metabolism leads to low burning of calories throughout the entire day, so getting your metabolism up and running is very important. Butmetabolism is irrelevant in the issue at hand as having a low metabolism doesn't in any way mean you shouldn't work out or eat healthy.

In fact low metabolism is caused by not working out and eating unhealthy. By eating unhealthy I mean eating big meals with lots of unhealthy fat and high GI carbs, eating big meals a few times a day, is not ideal at all for your metabolism. To get your metabolism up and running eat small meals ideally every 3 hours as the body to mention one thing needs fresh addition of proteins every 3 hours. If your body doesn't get the required proteins it will start to break down already existing muscle cells. As you all know muscle burns calories, so your muscles breaking down is not a good thing.

Low metabolism can be caused by not eating enough yes, but if you don't eat enough you will still lose weight. So that notion doesn't apply to the discussion at hand.

Dude, that's not HEALTHY. Being healthy is more than about just keeping an "ideal" weight. Now if YOU simply prefer to not miss your daily vigorous workout just because of the minor detail that you're really really ill, then that's your choice. But that IS unreasonable for you to expect anyone to have that kind of dedication to keeping thin. And If I personally saw someone vomiting during their daily run simply because they were too obsessive to take a few days when they were ill, I'd look upon then with just as much contempt as you hold for fat peopleMrGeezer

[QUOTE="Manly-manly-man"][QUOTE="Dark-Sithious"]

Well, low metabolism leads to low burning of calories throughout the entire day, so getting your metabolism up and running is very important. Butmetabolism is irrelevant in the issue at hand as having a low metabolism doesn't in any way mean you shouldn't work out or eat healthy.

In fact low metabolism is caused by not working out and eating unhealthy. By eating unhealthy I mean eating big meals with lots of unhealthy fat and high GI carbs, eating big meals a few times a day, is not ideal at all for your metabolism. To get your metabolism up and running eat small meals ideally every 3 hours as the body to mention one thing needs fresh addition of proteins every 3 hours. If your body doesn't get the required proteins it will start to break down already existing muscle cells. As you all know muscle burns calories, so your muscles breaking down is not a good thing.

Dark-Sithious

Low metabolism can be caused by not eating enough yes, but if you don't eat enough you will still lose weight. So that notion doesn't apply to the discussion at hand.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]Dude, that's not HEALTHY. Being healthy is more than about just keeping an "ideal" weight. Now if YOU simply prefer to not miss your daily vigorous workout just because of the minor detail that you're really really ill, then that's your choice. But that IS unreasonable for you to expect anyone to have that kind of dedication to keeping thin. And If I personally saw someone vomiting during their daily run simply because they were too obsessive to take a few days when they were ill, I'd look upon then with just as much contempt as you hold for fat peopleVandalvideo

unless I see a doctorates I'm not inclined to listen to you. Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Dark-Sithious"]

Wth? That logic is so flawed I'm mind boggled. First of all if their so poor, how the hell did they become obese? Last time I checked buying food in a grocery store is cheaper than McDonalds.

Dark-Sithious

I stopped reading there. If you think that fatness comes from McDonalds (or fast food in general), then it's highly unlikely that it's worth my time reading another word of what you typed.

It was an example, and yes fatness most of the time comes from fast food. Fast food is food that is already made, or is very easy to prepare, like a pizza in the oven. So, then we have icecream, candy, soda, all kinds of snacks (ofc carrots in bags are healthy but I rarely see those in the store), pizza, burger, premade sandwhiches, chinese takeout, indian takeout, other takeouts (both these are unhealthy and fast food), fish and chips, muffins, cakes and such and more

So if you're saying that that the food mentioned above is not the cause of obesity for a whole lot of people, then you are just ignorant.

What, as opposed to making Kung-pao chicken from scratch?

Are you talking about fast food like SALADS?

Yeah, the problem is TOTALLY fast food. :roll:

[QUOTE="Dark-Sithious"][QUOTE="Manly-manly-man"] It's not necessarily caused by eating three big meals, each with a lot of fat. It can be caused by simply not eating enough. Manly-manly-man

Low metabolism can be caused by not eating enough yes, but if you don't eat enough you will still lose weight. So that notion doesn't apply to the discussion at hand.

Is that why poor people from 3rd world countries are big?

Do you have any studies to show for, that supports your claim? Because it sounds like a myth too me.

Either way, that might apply for maybe a day. If you eat almost nothing for 1 day, you might not lose weight. But if you do this over a longer period of time then you will lose weight, there's just no denial.

[QUOTE="Manly-manly-man"][QUOTE="Dark-Sithious"]

Low metabolism can be caused by not eating enough yes, but if you don't eat enough you will still lose weight. So that notion doesn't apply to the discussion at hand.

Dark-Sithious

Is that why poor people from 3rd world countries are big?

Do you have any studies to show for, that supports your claim? Because it sounds like a myth too me.

Either way, that might apply for maybe a day. If you eat almost nothing for 1 day, you might not lose weight. But if you do this over a longer period of time then you will lose weight, there's just no denial.

[QUOTE="Dark-Sithious"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

I stopped reading there. If you think that fatness comes from McDonalds (or fast food in general), then it's highly unlikely that it's worth my time reading another word of what you typed.

MrGeezer

It was an example, and yes fatness most of the time comes from fast food. Fast food is food that is already made, or is very easy to prepare, like a pizza in the oven. So, then we have icecream, candy, soda, all kinds of snacks (ofc carrots in bags are healthy but I rarely see those in the store), pizza, burger, premade sandwhiches, chinese takeout, indian takeout, other takeouts (both these are unhealthy and fast food), fish and chips, muffins, cakes and such and more

So if you're saying that that the food mentioned above is not the cause of obesity for a whole lot of people, then you are just ignorant.

What, as opposed to making Kung-pao chicken from scratch?

Are you talking about fast food like SALADS?

Yeah, the problem is TOTALLY fast food. :roll:

Who makes a candybar from scratch?

Also, you are just focusing on niches to support your claims, and totally ignoring that fastfood is a large portion of the calorie intake of most obese people. That is just a fact, and you know it. And no I don't have to show you studies and whatnot to prove the point this is common knowledge and I hope you have acquired it even though you deny it.¨ There is 500 or more calories in a bag of chips, but it won't satisfy your hunger for long, as opposed to a chicken filet dinner with vegetables and potatoes with the same or less calorie amount will satisfy your hunger for a long time.

There are always exceptions, people that make everything from scratch and still are obese, but they are very few and far between, so even including them in this discussion is ridiculous and immature, same as with people who have rare diseases or syndromes.

And no the problem is not fastfood, it's people eating fastfood.

Fat people are fat because they eat unhealthy and don't work out, I'm talking of fat people, and not peole with a few extra pounds. This is a fact, disputing it, is a sign of either two things, lack of intelligence, or a defence mechanism to defend your own lifestyle.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Dark-Sithious"]

It was an example, and yes fatness most of the time comes from fast food. Fast food is food that is already made, or is very easy to prepare, like a pizza in the oven. So, then we have icecream, candy, soda, all kinds of snacks (ofc carrots in bags are healthy but I rarely see those in the store), pizza, burger, premade sandwhiches, chinese takeout, indian takeout, other takeouts (both these are unhealthy and fast food), fish and chips, muffins, cakes and such and more

So if you're saying that that the food mentioned above is not the cause of obesity for a whole lot of people, then you are just ignorant.

Dark-Sithious

What, as opposed to making Kung-pao chicken from scratch?

Are you talking about fast food like SALADS?

Yeah, the problem is TOTALLY fast food. :roll:

Who makes a candybar from scratch?

Also, you are just focusing on niches to support your claims, and totally ignoring that fastfood is a large portion of the calorie intake of most obese people. That is just a fact, and you know it. And no I don't have to show you studies and whatnot to prove the point this is common knowledge and I hope you have acquired it even though you deny it.¨ There is 500 or more calories in a bag of chips, but it won't satisfy your hunger for long, as opposed to a chicken filet dinner with vegetables and potatoes with the same or less calorie amount will satisfy your hunger for a long time.

There are always exceptions, people that make everything from scratch and still are obese, but they are very few and far between, so even including them in this discussion is ridiculous and immature, same as with people who have rare diseases or syndromes.

And no the problem is not fastfood, it's people eating fastfood.

Fat people are fat because they eat unhealthy and don't work out, I'm talking of fat people, and not peole with a few extra pounds. This is a fact, disputing it, is a sign of either two things, lack of intelligence, or a defence mechanism to defend your own lifestyle.

Wrong. Fast food is no more fattening than the equvalent item made from scratch. A grilled chicken sandwhich from Wendy's is no more fattening than the same grilled chicken sandwhich that people make at home. "Fast" food is an arbitrary distinction because all it is is FAST. And calories do not come from SPEED. Furthermore, for every person who buys a hamburger because they don't have time to cook a meal at home, they could have just as easily picked up a salad instead. There is no shortage of healthy fast food options, and people eating fast food ISN'T the problem.

Fat people should be shot at birth.CreepingDeath_