feminism attacking WWII sailor kissing nurse picture

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="harashawn"] I don't think a kiss is sexual, epecially in this context. The war had just ended and they were celebrating. It was an act of pure joy, not of sexuality, and people are demonizing it. Would you feel the same way if he had hugged her instead? I don't believe any one of us can honestly say they would not have done the same thing in his place. redstorm72

So when a grandson gives their grandmother a kiss on the cheek, it's sexual? At least according to your logic.

He had no f***ing idea whether or not she objected, and did it anyway. What exactly are you not getting about that? Sure she didn't object, but that's all after the fact. MrGeezer

Nothin better to do now

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So when a grandson gives their grandmother a kiss on the cheek, it's sexual? At least according to your logic.

redstorm72

Sure I f***ed that girl when she was passed out, but she doesn't mind. No harm no foul.MrGeezer

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So when a grandson gives their grandmother a kiss on the cheek, it's sexual? At least according to your logic.

MrGeezer

That's a philosophy I've always lived by.

[QUOTE="Lockedge"]He did something impulsively that didn't respect the woman's boundaries or desires. Just because he returned from a world war doesn't mean he "earned" that, it doesn't mean he's automatically free from criticism. Feminists aren't ruining the moment at all, they're casting light on it and showing the other side of the story. She wasn't kissing him. She didn't want to. Technically, that's sexual assault, and the fact that the guy's being defended here is just confirming the feminist's beliefs on rape culture. Seriously.N30F3N1X

Leave it to feminists to turn an impulsive action driven by an outburst of joy (which was collective, on top of that) into a case of suppression of women's rights. With 60 years of delay.

I always try to be understanding and respectful of others' people viewpoints. If said viewpoints aren't properly justified I still try to be respectful but being understanding becomes harder, although it never hurts to try.
With attitudes like yours, instead, I can't help but laugh out loud.

By the book, what he did was sexual harassment, especially in that day and age when a kiss held more weight to it than it does today. I would say that he was unjustified in his act. If you have a hard time understanding my viewpoint in this, then that's your problem.

And it's not just about "the suppression of women's rights". Rape culture affects both men and women. In this case, feminism would be assessing this particular moment in time, and looking at how her sexual agency was stripped from her with force. Looking 60 years back at a moment in time, and potentially comparing that with the current day not only allows us to view how society has changed, but also how it has remained the same. Why else would there be history books?

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"] Sure I f***ed that girl when she was passed out, but she doesn't mind. No harm no foul.Omni-Slash

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So when a grandson gives their grandmother a kiss on the cheek, it's sexual? At least according to your logic.

redstorm72

That's a philosophy I've always lived by.

No harm no foul meets no harm no foul. Both look like apples to me. If you've gotta defend the sailor, then stop using the "no harm no foul" thing. That's irrelevant and you know it. MrGeezer

that photo was staged. He didn't run up to her and suddenly kiss her.

no it's not....men and women kiss people all the time that they are not sure what their response will be until the act is over....if you are saying this is sexual assault than I suggest getting into the law profession because it's going to be a booming industry.....raping someone whom is passed out drunk is a pretty big freakin leap to make...and honestly I shouldn't have bothered continuing this ridiculous conversation...Omni-Slash

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"]no it's not....men and women kiss people all the time that they are not sure what their response will be until the act is over....if you are saying this is sexual assault than I suggest getting into the law profession because it's going to be a booming industry.....raping someone whom is passed out drunk is a pretty big freakin leap to make...and honestly I shouldn't have bothered continuing this ridiculous conversation...MrGeezer

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"]no it's not....men and women kiss people all the time that they are not sure what their response will be until the act is over....if you are saying this is sexual assault than I suggest getting into the law profession because it's going to be a booming industry.....raping someone whom is passed out drunk is a pretty big freakin leap to make...and honestly I shouldn't have bothered continuing this ridiculous conversation...MrGeezer

Context matters. By your logic, everything is crime. When my friend punched me in the arm after I beat him at Halo? Assualt. When I ate some chips at my cousins house with out asking for permission? Theft. When I gave CPR (ie. kissing and boob touching) to a dying girl? Sexual assualt. How the victim feels about it and the contextual situation are very relevant.

It is clearly wrong, but the context does make it more acceptable to me.

She should consider herself lucky she didn't like in Nanking, China if she thinks that is bad. Most people involved in WW2 would probably wish that was the worse injustice they suffered. Though America didn't really feel the war like those who had enemy troops on their soil did, besides the soldiers on the frontline. My grandmother used to say WW2 was the best thing that ever happened because people had jobs unlike in the depression.

I feel like geezer brings up a valid point. Though don't think it would be worth making a big deal out of it if she did not feel violated.dave123321

Also, does anyone else find it in bad taste for feminists to complain about a dude stealing a kiss when a war had just ended that had forcibly drafted millions of men, many of whome never returned home? Seems like the stolen kiss wasn't exactly the biggest injustice at the time.

I'm just going to leave this here

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/08/06/that-times-square-smooch-right-to-the-kisser/

Edit. crap, never mind. I'm mixing up these two photos. Why can't the names be normal like Fred or something?

Also, does anyone else find it in bad taste for feminists to complain about a dude stealing a kiss when a war had just ended that had forcibly drafted millions of men, many of whome never returned home? Seems like the stolen kiss wasn't exactly the biggest injustice at the time.

redstorm72

An act is only illegal/wrong if it is objected to. If I poke two separate people in the back of the neck, and one doesn't care but the other feels violated, only one of those acts can be considered wrong. Was the act itself wrong? No; but the victim's reaction to it made it wrong.harashawn

Someone's reaction doesn't make it right or wrong. However, if you ask someone "Can I do this?" and the person agrees, then it's okay.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"] Really? If someone takes some money out of your wallet but you don't notice that they did, is that okay? If some kids steal your car and take it on a joyride, but they return it before you notice, is that okay?Omni-Slash

Context does need to be taken into account. Context can make something more acceptable, but it doesn't make it right.

[QUOTE="harashawn"] An act is only illegal/wrong if it is objected to. If I poke two separate people in the back of the neck, and one doesn't care but the other feels violated, only one of those acts can be considered wrong. Was the act itself wrong? No; but the victim's reaction to it made it wrong.bloodling

Someone's reaction doesn't make it right or wrong. However, if you ask someone "Can I do this?" and the person agrees, then it's okay.

[QUOTE="bloodling"]

[QUOTE="harashawn"] An act is only illegal/wrong if it is objected to. If I poke two separate people in the back of the neck, and one doesn't care but the other feels violated, only one of those acts can be considered wrong. Was the act itself wrong? No; but the victim's reaction to it made it wrong.harashawn

Someone's reaction doesn't make it right or wrong. However, if you ask someone "Can I do this?" and the person agrees, then it's okay.

[QUOTE="bloodling"]

[QUOTE="harashawn"] An act is only illegal/wrong if it is objected to. If I poke two separate people in the back of the neck, and one doesn't care but the other feels violated, only one of those acts can be considered wrong. Was the act itself wrong? No; but the victim's reaction to it made it wrong.harashawn

Someone's reaction doesn't make it right or wrong. However, if you ask someone "Can I do this?" and the person agrees, then it's okay.

But you can't predict someone's reaction, so it's always better to ask. If you don't ask, you're taking a chance that it might be taken the wrong way.

[QUOTE="harashawn"][QUOTE="bloodling"]

Someone's reaction doesn't make it right or wrong. However, if you ask someone "Can I do this?" and the person agrees, then it's okay.

bloodling

But you can't predict someone's reaction, so it's always better to ask. If you don't ask, you're taking a chance that it might be taken the wrong way.

You're misunderstanding my point. It is wrong because I would object to it. Whether or not I know about it is irrelevant, given the fact that I would object upon finding out.harashawn

But if you don't object to it, it doesn't make it right. The person's reaction has absolutely no influence on whether or not it's right. A person's act isn't judged on how the victim reacts after the act...

Sure, it's better to ask. Do you ask a girl, "Can I kiss you?" every time before you kiss her?harashawn

So now you're saying that every time a guy kisses a girl, it's okay, unless the girl objects after the fact? Then it makes it wrong? How is a guy supposed to predict that?

But if you don't object to it, it doesn't make it right. The person's reaction has absolutely no influence on whether or not it's right. A person's act isn't judged on how the victim reacts after the act...

bloodling