For those who say the Occupy movement didn't inspire good ideas

[QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] All those people acting like that is not just plain normal robbery and crime. There are definitely a lot of unhappy people there and if the UK ignores the problem it will eventually blow up. Many analysts already said that the UK riots meant there was something very rotten in UKs society and dismissing it as the actions of plain thugs is very dangerous.thebest31406

You clearly do not live in London or the UK. Or if you do you were living under a rock during the riots.

Treating this, this, this, this and especially THIS like some sort of revolution or a worthy cause is pretty disgusting in my opinion.

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[QUOTE="thebest31406"] Riots are meant to gain sympathy toward there cause. They're are a reaction to the great crimes and justices done by the state. MLK made a few comments on riots "A riot is the language of the unheard." "The limitation of riots, moral questions aside, is that they cannot win and their participants know it. Hence, rioting is not revolutionary but reactionary because it invites defeat. It involves an emotional catharsis, but it must be followed by a sense of futility."SEANMCAD

You clearly do not live in London or the UK. Or if you do you were living under a rock during the riots.

Treating this, this, this, this and especially THIS like some sort of revolution or a worthy cause is pretty disgusting in my opinion.

so you are someone who DOES support bank bailouts. I have questions for you!

I have a hard time finding people who are actually willing to state clearly why they oppose the message of what the movement is saying nearly every day.

Sorry I'm not talking about the OWS movement. I'm refering to the London riots which has little if anything to do with OWS.

And no I don't support bank bailouts. Where did I say that. Bank bailouts are never a good thing.

It's a bit off topic to this thread but I was just slamming down the idea that the London riots were some sort of great fantastic thing fighting the 'crimes of the state'.

fair enough, its just in my excitement to learn from someone who oppose the occupy movement I am excited to learn why they support bank bailouts. Sorry you got caught in the mix

SEANMCAD

Fair play.

Though as I said previously the only thing I have against the OWS movement is the poor execution, disjointed message and all of the bored college students who are involved. Oh and these sorts of people...

The system is broken and does need changing but it takes time and the change comes from the inside. Making yourself look like a bunch of hypocrites shouting out completely different messages to each other outside financial institutions won't change that, just weakens the cause for change.

[QUOTE="SEANMCAD"]

fair enough, its just in my excitement to learn from someone who oppose the occupy movement I am excited to learn why they support bank bailouts. Sorry you got caught in the mix

tomo90

Fair play.

Though as I said previously the only thing I have against the OWS movement is the poor execution, disjointed message and all of the bored college students who are involved. Oh and these sorts of people...

The system is broken and does need changing but it takes time and the change comes from the inside. Making yourself look like a bunch of hypocrites shouting out completely different messages to each other outside financial institutions won't change that, just weakens the cause for change.

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"][QUOTE="tomo90"]

Fair play.

Though as I said previously the only thing I have against the OWS movement is the poor execution, disjointed message and all of the bored college students who are involved. Oh and these sorts of people...

The system is broken and does need changing but it takes time and the change comes from the inside. Making yourself look like a bunch of hypocrites shouting out completely different messages to each other outside financial institutions won't change that, just weakens the cause for change.

SEANMCAD

the 'change' is really simple. let me play it out line for line for you.

problem: 'we dont want billions of dollars to go to bank to bail them out for failure'

soultion: ' DONT DO IT'

whats the problem with understanding here?

The only thing the occupy movement inspired was contempt. All it was was Anarchists, Bolsheviks and street people, trashing public parks, without a clue how to translate their feeble attempts at social relevance into any kind of meaningful change. Epic fail.

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"][QUOTE="SEANMCAD"]

the 'change' is really simple. let me play it out line for line for you.

problem: 'we dont want billions of dollars to go to bank to bail them out for failure'

soultion: ' DONT DO IT'

whats the problem with understanding here?

SEANMCAD

I take issue with the movement calling this system capitalism because clearly its not. Basically the question is this

'what system is an alternative to giving banks bailout money for failure'

'a system that DOESNT give money to banks for bailout'

who is against such a system is who I am trying to find. many disagree with the movement but nobody yet that I have found disagrees with what they are suggesting.

I have no problem with the occupy movement. If people are unhappy about something or feel that there is an injustice, they have every right to protest it or bring attention to it. That's one of the principles the US was founded on. These people shouldnt be ridiculed.

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[QUOTE="SEANMCAD"]

fair enough, its just in my excitement to learn from someone who oppose the occupy movement I am excited to learn why they support bank bailouts. Sorry you got caught in the mix

Toxic-Seahorse

Fair play.

Though as I said previously the only thing I have against the OWS movement is the poor execution, disjointed message and all of the bored college students who are involved. Oh and these sorts of people...

The system is broken and does need changing but it takes time and the change comes from the inside. Making yourself look like a bunch of hypocrites shouting out completely different messages to each other outside financial institutions won't change that, just weakens the cause for change.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]This is not the fox guarding the hen house; this is the fox guarding the hen house while selling synthetic derivatives whose value increases with every hen he gobbles up, and who burns down the hen house so he can collect on his fire insurance policy, and then gets the government to build him a new hen house at taxpayer expense. And then, after that, he still gets to guard the new hen house."Vuurk

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I have no problem with the occupy movement. If people are unhappy about something or feel that there is an injustice, they have every right to protest it or bring attention to it. That's one of the principles the US was founded on. These people shouldnt be ridiculed.

Vuurk

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Vuurk"] What implications are you talking about? I just can't take you seriously when you make comments such as this. Products back then used to be very cheap compared to today? Not at all. Not in terms of purchasing power. Look at laptop from 5 years ago and then compare an equivalent laptop today. You could buy it for 1/2 the price. Also compare cars. A new car today would've costed $100,000 20 years ago.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. You are only looking at income inequality through lens of how well off you are compared to millionaires. How about instead you compare yourself to someone who was alive 100 years ago. 500 years ago. 1000 years ago. You have no room to complain about money. You aren't starving to death. Just appreciate what you have and the time period you live in. Complaining will get you no where in life son.

Vuurk

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[QUOTE="Vuurk"]Yes. WHAT social problems?! You mean that people are jealous and selfish and petty? Those are the implications of inequality? SEANMCAD

Increased violence, resentment, etc. Those are all things that arise if people see things as unfair. It's in our nature to be morally against such differences. Either way it helps all society to have less inequality

GUY!

we are talking about a game where one side explictly cheats. The assumption on all this 'inequality' talk is that we are talkinga about a football game where none of the players are doing anything humanly possible to cheat and win.

GUY!

we are talking about a game where one side explictly cheats. The assumption on all this 'inequality' talk is that we are talkinga about a football game where none of the players are doing anything humanly possible to cheat and win.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="SEANMCAD"] basically if we say the system is good what we are saying is that we are morally ok with liying to each other. I personally have issue with that, others clearly do notSEANMCAD

true.

in fact, we should all ask someone 'if you support that way of thinking then why should I trust you with anything?'

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="SEANMCAD"]

GUY!

we are talking about a game where one side explictly cheats. The assumption on all this 'inequality' talk is that we are talkinga about a football game where none of the players are doing anything humanly possible to cheat and win.

Vuurk

Yeah I know, it's always easier to be the backwards Robin Hood if all the system supports your cause...

Human life is better off than it's ever been (for the most part) yet all you can do is complain and greed over the things you wish you had. Vuurk

Here.