For those who say the Occupy movement didn't inspire good ideas

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]The funny thing Vurk is that you complain a lot about big government but a system such as the one I described takes power away from big government probably more than in any other country or society today and actually gives it to the population and the people. Yet you still refuse to even consider it.Vuurk

The individual is part of a social system no matter where you put him. He's either part of a community and dependent on others or part of a country and also dependent on others. As a social species humans can't work truly individually for anything so why pretend we could? and what if a person now wants to live in such a society but their freedom is limited by the current system? The same on that other system. People will just get used to it. I think that it could turn out to be much better than the current system for the vast majority of people so I don't think many will complain in the end.

Also living in communities doesn't mean minorities would get discriminated. On the contrary, people closer to each other discriminate less with a friend than a person they don't know so racism would be less within a community even if there are more diverse people. You also fight discrimination with education. Like I said before such a system would have to be accompanied by a very good educational system.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Vuurk"]And Kuraimen quietly disappears from the thread as he realizes that his ideas about communism are flawed. What a surprise. Vuurk

[QUOTE="Vuurk"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] Actually the problem is that I have a life outside GS :PDarkOfKnight

If we're going to overcome the crushing socioeconomic inequality in the US, slacktivism isn't' going to cut it. We need something like the French Revolution where we just murder all of the rich people and redistribute everything they stole from us. It's just like all of the slacktivism about bullying. If someone is bullying you, man up and knock their teeth in. Don't create some lame "awareness campaign."bigfoot2045

Proof that the Occupy movements have started something...class warfare. You're fvcked up.

[QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]

[QUOTE="bigfoot2045"]If we're going to overcome the crushing socioeconomic inequality in the US, slacktivism isn't' going to cut it. We need something like the French Revolution where we just murder all of the rich people and redistribute everything they stole from us. kuraimen

Obviously then the best course of action is to give the government even more power. Great idea.

[QUOTE="Vuurk"][QUOTE="SEANMCAD"]

cost to tax payers for occupied parks = ?

cost to tax payers for bank bailouts = ??

SEANMCAD

again I ask.

If someone outside your house is sh*ting on your yard and is a hypocrite but IS calling the fire department because you house is on fire do your really care if they are sh*ting on your yard and are hypocrites?

You would rather see an entire forest burn then to support someone who sh8ts in a park and is a hypocrite?

I, frankly, dont believe it.

they are LITERALLY the only people who are getting media exposure who are saying 'we think bank bailouts are bad' and you are trying to shut them down.

down with socialism

CAPITALISM HO!

[QUOTE="bigfoot2045"]If we're going to overcome the crushing socioeconomic inequality in the US, slacktivism isn't' going to cut it. We need something like the French Revolution where we just murder all of the rich people and redistribute everything they stole from us. It's just like all of the slacktivism about bullying. If someone is bullying you, man up and knock their teeth in. Don't create some lame "awareness campaign."SpartanMSU

Proof that the Occupy movements have started something...class warfare. You're fvcked up.

[QUOTE="RushKing"][QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

Proof that the Occupy movements have started something...class warfare. You're fvcked up.

Vuurk

[QUOTE="Vuurk"][QUOTE="SEANMCAD"]

I am going out on a limb here when I say 'all' but here goes. I think ALL OWS people know this. We really dont see any difference between the goverment and the banks in this context. The reason banks are targeted is becuase banks are the ones with the power. In real terms Goverment doesnt rule over business, business rules over goverment.

SEANMCAD

your not following me.

we believe that corporations run the goverment and the goverment is just a proxy.

everyone with power in the goverment has vested intrests in corporate. The guys who 'authorize it' often just got off the phone with Chase with the instructions on what to do. I exragate to make the point but its not far off.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="SEANMCAD"]

your not following me.

we believe that corporations run the goverment and the goverment is just a proxy.

everyone with power in the goverment has vested intrests in corporate. The guys who 'authorize it' often just got off the phone with Chase with the instructions on what to do. I exragate to make the point but its not far off.

SEANMCAD

not really.

Think about this.

people who had house loans failed.

banks who packaged bad loans as good loans failed.

Who is less 'guilty'? well actually the home buyer.

Give the money to the banks so the loans dont go bad, or give the money to the people so the loans dont go bad. Both will inject back into the economy, so the only choice is who is more guilty. The guy selling grass as pot or the one who bought grass thinking it was pot

The point of a movement is not to inspire ideas, its to inspire actions. The Occupy movement did neither.

[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"]Think about what the Occupy Wall street people wanted.. Then think about what the basis of Communism is.SEANMCAD

Occupy movement wants two of the following. please read closely and carefully.

1. stop giving large corporate handouts using public money.

2. have the wealthy pay the same tax % as everyone else (in some realms this is called a flat tax)

you call that communism?

why do so many of your SUPPORT the one aspect of our economic system that IS NOT captialism, that being giving away public money to private companies.

please explain in detail

We have an Occupy Movement in Canada.

We did not bail out our financial institutions. No Canadian banks were seriously threatened by the meltdown. We did bail out the auto industry and are being repaid. All indications are we will make a small profit on that exchange.

We have a progressive tax system. We have a surtax on higher amounts. There are few deductions in the Canadian tax system. If you are a high income person in Canada you pay a higher % tax. Period.

By your own logic there is no point to the Occupy Movement in Canada.

i highly agree