French Revolution vs American Revolution

I've always wondered why people view the French Revolution as one of the defining moments in history, but they don't view the American revolution in the same way (at least not nearly as much) even though it happenned before. 

So, which revolution do you think was more significant and which one encapsulated enligtenment principles more?  

The French revolution was ridicioulous. Sure it killed the old rule, but at what cost? At the cost of thousands dying for absolute no reason? Let us not forget that the whole point was for a republic to be established, but that came crumble just a couple of years afterwards. 

The American revolution had a much more poetic and significant role in my opinion. 

The American revolution was probably more significant - not only did it influence the French revolution at an intellectual level but France's direct involvement in the American revolution helped exacerbate the economic conditions in France that helped trigger the revolution. As for which revolution better encapsulated enlightenment principles, I'd say the American revolution. Things kind of got out of hand in France, to put it mildly. -Sun_Tzu-

French Revolution was a bit of a joke.  It basically started a police state that was eventually replaced by a monarchy anyway.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]The American revolution was probably more significant - not only did it influence the French revolution at an intellectual level but France's direct involvement in the American revolution helped exacerbate the economic conditions in France that helped trigger the revolution. As for which revolution better encapsulated enlightenment principles, I'd say the American revolution. Things kind of got out of hand in France, to put it mildly. BossPerson

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]The American revolution was probably more significant - not only did it influence the French revolution at an intellectual level but France's direct involvement in the American revolution helped exacerbate the economic conditions in France that helped trigger the revolution. As for which revolution better encapsulated enlightenment principles, I'd say the American revolution. Things kind of got out of hand in France, to put it mildly. BossPerson

The American is more significant because America was the first (and so far only) country founded on a moral principal - the principal of individual rights. The founding of the United States is one of the greatest achievement in human history. The French Revolution was just a massive crime wave.Laihendi

The American is more significant because America was the first (and so far only) country founded on a moral principal - the principal of individual rights. The founding of the United States is one of the greatest achievement in human history. The French Revolution was just a massive crime wave.Laihendi

God dammit why did Lai have to comment? Now I have to question the significance of the American Revolution.

[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]The American revolution was probably more significant - not only did it influence the French revolution at an intellectual level but France's direct involvement in the American revolution helped exacerbate the economic conditions in France that helped trigger the revolution. As for which revolution better encapsulated enlightenment principles, I'd say the American revolution. Things kind of got out of hand in France, to put it mildly. Laihendi

yea Robespierre did f*ck up pretty badly. BossPerson

Couldn't even suicide properly. Should be ashamed.

[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]The American revolution was probably more significant - not only did it influence the French revolution at an intellectual level but France's direct involvement in the American revolution helped exacerbate the economic conditions in France that helped trigger the revolution. As for which revolution better encapsulated enlightenment principles, I'd say the American revolution. Things kind of got out of hand in France, to put it mildly. Laihendi

Lai, what is your opinion on 'The People' 

who are these collectivist f*cks? 

American

>If you are smart then you can overcome mental disorders through rational thinking.

Lai you rascal

[QUOTE="BossPerson"] yea Robespierre did f*ck up pretty badly. Slashless

Couldn't even suicide properly. Should be ashamed.

The French Revolution has the famous paintings and Les Miserables. 

When I learned that, I spent a long time wondering how he could have shot himself that way and not died and I just couldn't figure it out. jim_shorts

I laugh at the thought of him pleading for mercy

"HRRGNNNGRRRB! HRRGNRRRB! BLARGH "

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]something about beheading your former ruler though........it is just so ....revolutionary. I don't know as much about the American Revolution as I do about the French, but I think the French revoution stressed the idea of popular sovereignty more than the American. -Sun_Tzu-

Lai, what is your opinion on 'The People' 

who are these collectivist f*cks? 

BossPerson

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]Popular sovereignty is just another way of saying mob rule, which is a variation of authoritarianism. Every government before the United States was unabashedly authoritarian. The US was the first government meant to serve the people rather than rule them.Laihendi

Because the United States didn't decimate and exterminate almost an entire native population and capture half of Mexico via conquest pursuing what they claimed as a divine right from god to control the continent from sea to sea, colloquially known then and now as "Manifest Destiny."

Never happened.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] And the US government was not unabashedly authoritarian? Please. There's no reason to drink that koolaid. A lot of good things resulted from American independence but it's far from the greatest achievement in human history. 

Squeets

Because the United States didn't decimate and exterminate almost an entire native population and capture half of Mexico via conquest pursuing what they claimed as a divine right from god to control the continent from sea to sea, colloquially known then and now as "Manifest Destiny."

Never happened.

[QUOTE="Squeets"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] No it is not far. America is the only country founded on reason. All governments before it were ruled by power hungry tyrants who wanted to justify their crimes against humanity by saying they had divine right, or something equally absurd. The American Revolution showed the world what it meant to live in a moral society.Slashless

Because the United States didn't decimate and exterminate almost an entire native population and capture half of Mexico via conquest pursuing what they claimed as a divine right from god to control the continent from sea to sea, colloquially known then and now as "Manifest Destiny."

Never happened.

christ on the cross, you are a joke of a human being. 

is it fine to commit genoicde of a people because they have no conception of private property?

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]Popular sovereignty is just another way of saying mob rule, which is a variation of authoritarianism. Every government before the United States was unabashedly authoritarian. The US was the first government meant to serve the people rather than rule them.Laihendi

#landofthefree

[QUOTE="Slashless"][QUOTE="Squeets"]

Because the United States didn't decimate and exterminate almost an entire native population and capture half of Mexico via conquest pursuing what they claimed as a divine right from god to control the continent from sea to sea, colloquially known then and now as "Manifest Destiny."

Never happened.

Laihendi

[QUOTE="Slashless"][QUOTE="Squeets"]

Because the United States didn't decimate and exterminate almost an entire native population and capture half of Mexico via conquest pursuing what they claimed as a divine right from god to control the continent from sea to sea, colloquially known then and now as "Manifest Destiny."

Never happened.

Laihendi

christ on the cross, you are a joke of a human being. 

is it fine to commit genoicde of a people because they have no conception of private property?

BossPerson

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

christ on the cross, you are a joke of a human being. 

is it fine to commit genoicde of a people because they have no conception of private property?

Laihendi

[QUOTE="Slashless"][QUOTE="Squeets"]

Because the United States didn't decimate and exterminate almost an entire native population and capture half of Mexico via conquest pursuing what they claimed as a divine right from god to control the continent from sea to sea, colloquially known then and now as "Manifest Destiny."

Never happened.

Laihendi

So its okay for a tyrant power to be tyrannical so long as it is spreading civilization, Lai agrees with it, and the people it kills along the way are uncivilized because uncivilized people don't deserve human rights?

K.

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

christ on the cross, you are a joke of a human being. 

is it fine to commit genoicde of a people because they have no conception of private property?

Laihendi

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] And the US government was not unabashedly authoritarian? Please. There's no reason to drink that koolaid. A lot of good things resulted from American independence but it's far from the greatest achievement in human history. 

-Sun_Tzu-

#landofthefree

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]

christ on the cross, you are a joke of a human being. 

is it fine to commit genoicde of a people because they have no conception of private property?

BossPerson

[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] The Americans did not commit genocide against the natives. The Americans claimed land for themselves, and the natives did not respect their property rights and raided the new American towns to loot, rape, and murder. Sending the natives way was an act of self defense because they were at war. Obviously not all of the natives were guilty for those crimes, but my point is that this is not nearly as one-sided as many like to believe it is.Laihendi

anything American is more significant by default.4myAmuzumament

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]....so "Americans" could claim the all the land west of the East coast by simplying declaring it out loud and it would be theirs? The natives would have to move? BossPerson

Let it be known, Lai views Native Americans as squirrels 

[QUOTE="4myAmuzumament"]anything American is more significant by default.MrPraline

OOOOHHHHHHHH!

caps

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]

[QUOTE="Slashless"] Yes but the Native Americans and Mexicans never claimed and established their property rights and therefore had no property that was rightfully theirs.Squeets

So its okay for a tyrant power to be tyrannical so long as it is spreading civilization, Lai agrees with it, and the people it kills along the way are uncivilized because uncivilized people don't deserve human rights?

K.

Let it be known, Lai views Native Americans as squirrels 

BossPerson

[QUOTE="4myAmuzumament"]anything American is more significant by default.MrPraline

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="4myAmuzumament"]anything American is more significant by default.4myAmuzumament

Let it be known, Lai views Native Americans as squirrels 

BossPerson