French Revolution vs American Revolution

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[QUOTE="Laihendi"]I was young and naive, and that was before I read Atlas Shrugged.Laihendi

1. Didn't you say that you arrived at your opinions well before you read Atlas Shrugged?

2. You have no sense of irony, do you?

By the end of that period I was a broken man with almost no desire to live, but then I read Atlas Shrugged. Ayn Rand showed me that other rational minds can and do exist. Ayn Rand showed me that there is hope for a better future.Laihendi

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Let it be known, Lai views Native Americans as squirrels 

Laihendi

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[QUOTE="Laihendi"]I was young and naive, and that was before I read Atlas Shrugged.Laihendi

1. Didn't you say that you arrived at your opinions well before you read Atlas Shrugged?

2. You have no sense of irony, do you?

Laihendi keeps giving us more and more examples to believe he's just an elaborate joke character.

Wait until Laihendi finds out that America is home to the most successful experiment of socialism in human history.DroidPhysX

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]Wait until Laihendi finds out that America is home to the most successful experiment of socialism in human history.HoolaHoopMan

Hey guys i found Lai,

Seriously just this one retard preaching that genocide and slavery is okay makes me have the same respect for american people as i do for Nazi's

French revolution was a joke.

It wasn't a "popular" revolution in terms of everyone being free to voice their opinion, it was more of a progressive fascism that if you spoke counter-revolutionary thoughts they killed you.

American revolution actually was a popular revolt.

Most people would think that it was the American Revolution because of what America eventually became, but it was another run of the mill backwater colonial revolt(At The Time). The French Revolution resulted in the toppling of a powerful monarchy, this sent ripples through much of Europe. Countries united against the perceived French threat that would sweep across the continent if left unchecked, but the French managed to fend them off. Although most of the principles from the French Revolution were later undone by Napoleon, the new ideas and ideals that it introduced impacted history much more than the American Revolution.

The French revolution would have ended very differently if the French army didn't deplete a huge amount of their resources in support of the American revolution. So it's pretty clear that the American revolution is more significant.

Most people would think that it was the American Revolution because of what America eventually became, but it was another run of the mill backwater colonial revolt(At The Time). The French Revolution resulted in the toppling of a powerful monarchy, this sent ripples through much of Europe. Countries united against the perceived French threat that would sweep across the continent if left unchecked, but the French managed to fend them off. Although most of the principles from the French Revolution were later undone by Napoleon, the new ideas and ideals that it introduced impacted history much more than the American Revolution.

JamesHarden98

You do realize this was the first major successful uprising by a colony in modern history right?

On one hand, the American Revolution gave birth to a new superpower founded on ideology that would dominate the world after the decline of the British Empire but before that, the American Revolutionary War proved that a superpower could be defeated by a ragtag group of farmers. On the other hand, the French Revolution was the gateway to the modern world: The birth of secular Republics, democracies, nationalism, the idea of a unified Europe, people actually speaking politics and ideology, and the concept of total war.

Honestly as much as I love America, I have to say the French Revolution was the most significant. It wasn't successful but it did lead to what we see as the modern world as it influenced ideology that would go far beyond the French Revolution and into Russia's revolution or Mao's revolution in China as well as the introduction of massive wars such as the War of 1812 and the World Wars. 

I had to research a little bit so if I'm wrong please correct me.

The only thing the french revolution accomplished was that thousands of smart rich people got slaughtered.

The American revolution was one of the most amazing points in human history, and gave rise to the greatest country of all time, for a period.  Many amazing men lived in that time.

The french tried to copy us, but failed, and the "revolution" just became another statistic in the millions of failed revolutions.  Totally pointless.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="Squeets"]

So mentally retarded people have no rights?

People in a coma?

Children?

Crazy people?

All of these humans have no rights? Because according to the definition you just gave, since they can't conceptualize their own rights, they have none? Do you even think about this bullsh-t before you write it?

worlock77

In addition to being a spoiled, entitled brat of a teenager who lives off the parental tit and has the nerve to call other people moochers you're kind of a f*cking scumbag, you know that?

That went right over your head, didn't it?  No wonder you're so angry.

I think I am the only one on OT that understands what lai says.  Feel free to prove me wrong.  Anyone?

The only thing the french revolution accomplished was that thousands of smart rich people got slaughtered.

 

The American revolution was one of the most amazing points in human history, and gave rise to the greatest country of all time, for a period.  Many amazing men lived in that time.

 

The french tried to copy us, but failed, and the "revolution" just became another statistic in the millions of failed revolutions.  Totally pointless.

GOGOGOGURT

I understand there are opinions but the French Revolution wasn't pointless. Yes it did fail but just because it failed doesn't mean it didn't have an impact on the world. The French Revolution was the gateway to the modern world and it lead to the rise of Republics, democracies, and sparked revolutions around Europe and even across the world, even during the World Wars. Speaking of World Wars, it also lead to the rise of all-out wars as well as the idea of a unified Europe (this wasn't revolution talk but rather Napoleon's vision and even his accomplishment until he lost the war).

It was a failure but it wasn't pointless.

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[QUOTE="Laihendi"] Obviously if you are in a coma you still have rights because you are still capable of conceptualizing them. Unconsciousness is a temporary condition that does not change the fundamental nature of the mind. Children do not have rights and you have clearly never dealt with children if you believe they do. Children are not thinking and rational people. They simply do what they are told. They eat what they'd told to eat, they sleep when they're told to sleep, etc. No the mentally disabled do not have rights because if you are mentally disabled then you are by definition incapable of self awareness, rational thinking, etc. How often do you hear about a mentally disabled person owning property? Or voting? They don't because they can't. If you are incapable of exercising a right then in a practical sense that right does not exist.GOGOGOGURT

In addition to being a spoiled, entitled brat of a teenager who lives off the parental tit and has the nerve to call other people moochers you're kind of a f*cking scumbag, you know that?

That went right over your head, didn't it?  No wonder you're so angry.

I think I am the only one on OT that understands what lai says.  Feel free to prove me wrong.  Anyone?

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] And the US government was not unabashedly authoritarian? Please. There's no reason to drink that koolaid. A lot of good things resulted from American independence but it's far from the greatest achievement in human history. 

Squeets

Because the United States didn't decimate and exterminate almost an entire native population and capture half of Mexico via conquest pursuing what they claimed as a divine right from god to control the continent from sea to sea, colloquially known then and now as "Manifest Destiny."

Never happened.

Actually we were quite friendly to the native americans.  The spanish or french wouldn't have tried so hard to make an agreement.

They'd just massacre the whole lot of them, and any survivors would be put in slavery.  Look at what spaing did to mexico, we were the nice guys.

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[QUOTE="Laihendi"] Obviously if you are in a coma you still have rights because you are still capable of conceptualizing them. Unconsciousness is a temporary condition that does not change the fundamental nature of the mind. Children do not have rights and you have clearly never dealt with children if you believe they do. Children are not thinking and rational people. They simply do what they are told. They eat what they'd told to eat, they sleep when they're told to sleep, etc. No the mentally disabled do not have rights because if you are mentally disabled then you are by definition incapable of self awareness, rational thinking, etc. How often do you hear about a mentally disabled person owning property? Or voting? They don't because they can't. If you are incapable of exercising a right then in a practical sense that right does not exist.GOGOGOGURT

In addition to being a spoiled, entitled brat of a teenager who lives off the parental tit and has the nerve to call other people moochers you're kind of a f*cking scumbag, you know that?

That went right over your head, didn't it?  No wonder you're so angry.

I think I am the only one on OT that understands what lai says.  Feel free to prove me wrong.  Anyone?

You do realize that you're agreeing with a dude that's basically said that parents have the right to have sex with their children if they wished right?

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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

In addition to being a spoiled, entitled brat of a teenager who lives off the parental tit and has the nerve to call other people moochers you're kind of a f*cking scumbag, you know that?

Ace6301

That went right over your head, didn't it?  No wonder you're so angry.

I think I am the only one on OT that understands what lai says.  Feel free to prove me wrong.  Anyone?

I don't see it.  You guys call him a scumbag and moocher because his views are too hard for you to grasp.  It's painfully obvious.  Painful for you anyway.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

 

That went right over your head, didn't it?  No wonder you're so angry.

 

I think I am the only one on OT that understands what lai says.  Feel free to prove me wrong.  Anyone?

GOGOGOGURT

I don't see it.  You guys call him a scumbag and moocher because his views are too hard for you to grasp.  It's painfully obvious.  Painful for you anyway.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

 

That went right over your head, didn't it?  No wonder you're so angry.

 

I think I am the only one on OT that understands what lai says.  Feel free to prove me wrong.  Anyone?

GOGOGOGURT

I don't see it.  You guys call him a scumbag and moocher because his views are too hard for you to grasp.  It's painfully obvious.  Painful for you anyway.

No, we call him a scumbag because he advocates scumbag points of view. We call him a moocher because he's stated he doesn't intend to work and will instead live off his parent's wealth.

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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

In addition to being a spoiled, entitled brat of a teenager who lives off the parental tit and has the nerve to call other people moochers you're kind of a f*cking scumbag, you know that?

worlock77

That went right over your head, didn't it?  No wonder you're so angry.

I think I am the only one on OT that understands what lai says.  Feel free to prove me wrong.  Anyone?

You do realize that you're agreeing with a dude that's basically said that parents have the right to have sex with their children if they wished right?

Yes I do recall reading something about that now that I think about it.  It was more of what people do is thier own business.  But I don't remember him explicitly saying that "It's ok for parents to have sex with their kids."

What I DO remember however, is you guys putting words in his mouth.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]Everyone understands Lai. We just call him a scumbag and a moocher because it's what he is.GOGOGOGURT

I don't see it.  You guys call him a scumbag and moocher because his views are too hard for you to grasp.  It's painfully obvious.  Painful for you anyway.

The only view I'm grasping from him is ethnocentrism.

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[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

 

That went right over your head, didn't it?  No wonder you're so angry.

 

I think I am the only one on OT that understands what lai says.  Feel free to prove me wrong.  Anyone?

GOGOGOGURT

You do realize that you're agreeing with a dude that's basically said that parents have the right to have sex with their children if they wished right?

Yes I do recall reading something about that now that I think about it.  It was more of what people do is thier own business.  But I don't remember him explicitly saying that "It's ok for parents to have sex with their kids."

What I DO remember however, is you guys putting words in his mouth.

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[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

 

That went right over your head, didn't it?  No wonder you're so angry.

 

I think I am the only one on OT that understands what lai says.  Feel free to prove me wrong.  Anyone?

GOGOGOGURT

You do realize that you're agreeing with a dude that's basically said that parents have the right to have sex with their children if they wished right?

Yes I do recall reading something about that now that I think about it.  It was more of what people do is thier own business.  But I don't remember him explicitly saying that "It's ok for parents to have sex with their kids."

What I DO remember however, is you guys putting words in his mouth.

I'm leaning more towards the French Revolution of 1789 in terms of significance.

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[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

 

That went right over your head, didn't it?  No wonder you're so angry.

 

I think I am the only one on OT that understands what lai says.  Feel free to prove me wrong.  Anyone?

GOGOGOGURT

You do realize that you're agreeing with a dude that's basically said that parents have the right to have sex with their children if they wished right?

Yes I do recall reading something about that now that I think about it.  It was more of what people do is thier own business.  But I don't remember him explicitly saying that "It's ok for parents to have sex with their kids."

What I DO remember however, is you guys putting words in his mouth.

No, he didn't explicitly say that it's ok for parents to have sex with their children. Instead he denied that any parent would (because we all know that sort of thing never, ever happens).

Actually we were quite friendly to the native americans.  The spanish or french wouldn't have tried so hard to make an agreement.

 

They'd just massacre the whole lot of them, and any survivors would be put in slavery.  Look at what spaing did to mexico, we were the nice guys.

GOGOGOGURT

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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

You do realize that you're agreeing with a dude that's basically said that parents have the right to have sex with their children if they wished right?

Ace6301

Yes I do recall reading something about that now that I think about it.  It was more of what people do is thier own business.  But I don't remember him explicitly saying that "It's ok for parents to have sex with their kids."

What I DO remember however, is you guys putting words in his mouth.

They are one and the same.  It's your word against mine, so I look forward to seeing jimmies rustled by lai in the future.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

Yes I do recall reading something about that now that I think about it.  It was more of what people do is thier own business.  But I don't remember him explicitly saying that "It's ok for parents to have sex with their kids."

 

What I DO remember however, is you guys putting words in his mouth.

GOGOGOGURT

They are one and the same.  It's your word against mine, so I look forward to seeing jimmies rustled by lai in the future.

[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]Actually we were quite friendly to the native americans.  The spanish or french wouldn't have tried so hard to make an agreement.

 

They'd just massacre the whole lot of them, and any survivors would be put in slavery.  Look at what spaing did to mexico, we were the nice guys.

Sajo7

All I'm saying is that there are still plenty of indians and we gave them reservations to live on.  And we literally GIVE them money. 

Since the native americans showed no signs of technological advancement, nor any interest in technological advancement, they would've been overrun and intergrated sooner or later.  They were lucky we were the ones to do it.  Stop feeling so bad for them.

[QUOTE="Sajo7"][QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]Actually we were quite friendly to the native americans.  The spanish or french wouldn't have tried so hard to make an agreement.

 

They'd just massacre the whole lot of them, and any survivors would be put in slavery.  Look at what spaing did to mexico, we were the nice guys.

GOGOGOGURT

All I'm saying is that there are still plenty of indians and we gave them reservations to live on.  And we literally GIVE them money. 

Since the native americans showed no signs of technological advancement, nor any interest in technological advancement, they would've been overrun and intergrated sooner or later.  They were lucky we were the ones to do it.  Stop feeling so bad for them.

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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

You do realize that you're agreeing with a dude that's basically said that parents have the right to have sex with their children if they wished right?

worlock77

Yes I do recall reading something about that now that I think about it.  It was more of what people do is thier own business.  But I don't remember him explicitly saying that "It's ok for parents to have sex with their kids."

What I DO remember however, is you guys putting words in his mouth.

No, he didn't explicitly say that it's ok for parents to have sex with their children. Instead he denied that any parent would (because we all know that sort of thing never, ever happens).

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[QUOTE="Sajo7"] Soooo...what? Is your argument that the US was better because we killed and displaced them with style?Sajo7

All I'm saying is that there are still plenty of indians and we gave them reservations to live on.  And we literally GIVE them money. 

Since the native americans showed no signs of technological advancement, nor any interest in technological advancement, they would've been overrun and intergrated sooner or later.  They were lucky we were the ones to do it.  Stop feeling so bad for them.

Sounds like a personal problem.  But I don't care.

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[QUOTE="Laihendi"] No it is not far. America is the only country founded on reason. All governments before it were ruled by power hungry tyrants who wanted to justify their crimes against humanity by saying they had divine right, or something equally absurd. The American Revolution showed the world what it meant to live in a moral society.GOGOGOGURT

Because the United States didn't decimate and exterminate almost an entire native population and capture half of Mexico via conquest pursuing what they claimed as a divine right from god to control the continent from sea to sea, colloquially known then and now as "Manifest Destiny."

Never happened.

Actually we were quite friendly to the native americans.  The spanish or french wouldn't have tried so hard to make an agreement.

They'd just massacre the whole lot of them, and any survivors would be put in slavery.  Look at what spaing did to mexico, we were the nice guys.

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[QUOTE="Sajo7"] Soooo...what? Is your argument that the US was better because we killed and displaced them with style?Sajo7

All I'm saying is that there are still plenty of indians and we gave them reservations to live on.  And we literally GIVE them money. 

Since the native americans showed no signs of technological advancement, nor any interest in technological advancement, they would've been overrun and intergrated sooner or later.  They were lucky we were the ones to do it.  Stop feeling so bad for them.

[QUOTE="Sajo7"][QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

 

All I'm saying is that there are still plenty of indians and we gave them reservations to live on.  And we literally GIVE them money. 

 

Since the native americans showed no signs of technological advancement, nor any interest in technological advancement, they would've been overrun and intergrated sooner or later.  They were lucky we were the ones to do it.  Stop feeling so bad for them.

Ace6301

[QUOTE="Sajo7"][QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

 

All I'm saying is that there are still plenty of indians and we gave them reservations to live on.  And we literally GIVE them money. 

 

Since the native americans showed no signs of technological advancement, nor any interest in technological advancement, they would've been overrun and intergrated sooner or later.  They were lucky we were the ones to do it.  Stop feeling so bad for them.

Ace6301

Hahaha you are so fickle, posting that hoping I'd read that to be baited.  And guess what it worked, because I'm replying.  Stupid to you is people who don't have the same viewpoints as you, or don't have mainstream viewpoints for that matter.  You don't even know the meaning of the word "stupid".  And that makes you pretty stupid.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Sajo7"] You'd think after awhile I'd know if I'm being trolled or not, but for the life of me I am still in the dark most of the time.GOGOGOGURT

Hahaha you are so fickle, posting that hoping I'd read that to be baited.  And guess what it worked, because I'm replying.  Stupid to you is people who don't have the same viewpoints as you, or don't have mainstream viewpoints for that matter.  You don't even know the meaning of the word "stupid".  And that makes you pretty stupid.

[QUOTE="Sajo7"][QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]Actually we were quite friendly to the native americans.  The spanish or french wouldn't have tried so hard to make an agreement.

 

They'd just massacre the whole lot of them, and any survivors would be put in slavery.  Look at what spaing did to mexico, we were the nice guys.

GOGOGOGURT

All I'm saying is that there are still plenty of indians and we gave them reservations to live on.  And we literally GIVE them money. 

Since the native americans showed no signs of technological advancement, nor any interest in technological advancement, they would've been overrun and intergrated sooner or later.  They were lucky we were the ones to do it.  Stop feeling so bad for them.

The annihilation of the Indians is a tragedy.  It could of been handled better.  I hope this doesn't repeat to any Americans in the future.

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[QUOTE="Sajo7"] Soooo...what? Is your argument that the US was better because we killed and displaced them with style?LOXO7

All I'm saying is that there are still plenty of indians and we gave them reservations to live on.  And we literally GIVE them money. 

Since the native americans showed no signs of technological advancement, nor any interest in technological advancement, they would've been overrun and intergrated sooner or later.  They were lucky we were the ones to do it.  Stop feeling so bad for them.

The annihilation of the Indians is a tragedy.  It could of been handled better.  I hope this doesn't repeat to any Americans in the future.

It was a tragedy.  But it was inevitable.  Worst things have happened before, so save your tears.

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[QUOTE="Ace6301"] Poe's law is a funny thing like that. Fortunately I just find idiocy to be funny and try not to think about the side of Poe's law that implies that there's actual people who are as stupid as what someone imagines to be infuriatingly stupid. Ace6301

Hahaha you are so fickle, posting that hoping I'd read that to be baited.  And guess what it worked, because I'm replying.  Stupid to you is people who don't have the same viewpoints as you, or don't have mainstream viewpoints for that matter.  You don't even know the meaning of the word "stupid".  And that makes you pretty stupid.

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[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

 

All I'm saying is that there are still plenty of indians and we gave them reservations to live on.  And we literally GIVE them money. 

 

Since the native americans showed no signs of technological advancement, nor any interest in technological advancement, they would've been overrun and intergrated sooner or later.  They were lucky we were the ones to do it.  Stop feeling so bad for them.

GOGOGOGURT

The annihilation of the Indians is a tragedy.  It could of been handled better.  I hope this doesn't repeat to any Americans in the future.

It was a tragedy.  But it was inevitable.  Worst things have happened before, so save your tears.

The American is more significant because America was the first (and so far only) country founded on a moral principal - the principal of individual rights. The founding of the United States is one of the greatest achievement in human history. The French Revolution was just a massive crime wave.Laihendi

:lol: The greatest achievement in human history? :lol: I'm sorry I cannot breathe with how ridiculiously stupid that statement was. :lol:

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]Popular sovereignty is just another way of saying mob rule, which is a variation of authoritarianism. Every government before the United States was unabashedly authoritarian. The US was the first government meant to serve the people rather than rule them.Laihendi

So Slavery, Homophobia, and Sexism are moral? :?

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]The American is more significant because America was the first (and so far only) country founded on a moral principal - the principal of individual rights. The founding of the United States is one of the greatest achievement in human history. The French Revolution was just a massive crime wave.DarkGamer007

:lol: The greatest achievement in human history? :lol: I'm sorry I cannot breathe with how ridiculiously stupid that statement was. :lol: