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#301 vfibsux
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@vfibsux: Are you married?

I am, and thankfully now anyone that wants to marry can. We can move on.

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@vfibsux said:

You got your way, go get married, be gay. Maybe now you can stop shoving it in our faces and taking up valuable time that can be spent on more important things. Move on, enough rainbows. We get it, you're gay. Hip hip horay. I don't care.

"You got your way"? That sounds utterly pathetic. This wouldn't have been such a large issue if same-sex marriage would have just been allowed in the first place. But no, not here in America, where a combination of religious fundamentalism and archaic ideals tried their best to stop this at every corner. So yes, instead of a piecemeal approach to overturning individuals bans at the state level, it is finally over. We can move on and tackle other issues.

Rofl, this is how it is. See, I am happy they did this because now I don't have to hear about it anymore. It was taking up way too much attention. But that is not good enough for you is it? I need to be 100% pro-gay marriage, I can't just not care if gays get married.

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@androd said:

So does that mean my concealed carry permit is legal in all 50 states now too?

no, don't be stupid

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@vfibsux said:

You got your way, go get married, be gay. Maybe now you can stop shoving it in our faces and taking up valuable time that can be spent on more important things. Move on, enough rainbows. We get it, you're gay. Hip hip horay. I don't care.

"I don't care"

Is that why you have been posting in several LGBT threads?

Also, whats with the persecutary delusion? In a country where 80% of the population are christian and the majority are white, I seriously doubt you will ever be persecuted.

So several to you means 2 eh? Counting this one?

This is what is funny about you people, when I say "i don't care if you're gay" that does not mean I have nothing to say about the subject. I sincerely don't care if gay people marry, it does nothing to my life. I don't care if you are gay, just like you should not care that I am hetero. I don't go around announcing it. What is affecting my life is having to hear about it every freaking day, and having it taking up the time of our government when they should be concentrating on more important things. Now they can. I am happy. But I am sure since I did not say homosexuality is the coolest thing ever I am still a homophobe right?

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@vfibsux said:
@Maroxad said:
@vfibsux said:

You got your way, go get married, be gay. Maybe now you can stop shoving it in our faces and taking up valuable time that can be spent on more important things. Move on, enough rainbows. We get it, you're gay. Hip hip horay. I don't care.

"I don't care"

Is that why you have been posting in several LGBT threads?

Also, whats with the persecutary delusion? In a country where 80% of the population are christian and the majority are white, I seriously doubt you will ever be persecuted.

So several to you means 2 eh? Counting this one?

This is what is funny about you people, when I say "i don't care if you're gay" that does not mean I have nothing to say about the subject. I sincerely don't care if gay people marry, it does nothing to my life. What is affecting my life is having to hear about it every freaking day, and having it taking up the time of our government when they should be concentrating on more important things. Now they can. I am happy.

GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY

don't like it? ignore me :)

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@korvus said:

@vfibsux: Are you married?

I am, and thankfully now anyone that wants to marry can. We can move on.

I agree but it sounds a bit hypocritical to say "there's more important things than giving other people a right that I've been enjoying". I don't think you meant it the way it sounded...or at least I hope not.

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So we're blaming gay people for making gay marriage an issue? It wouldn't have been an issue if people hadn't tried to stop it. If gay people were just allowed to be married in the first place and recognized as such, then y'all could go ahead and have your discussions about "important things"

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@vfibsux: I also hope that it becomes a non-issue now =)

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So we're blaming gay people for making gay marriage an issue? It wouldn't have been an issue if people hadn't tried to stop it. If gay people were just allowed to be married in the first place and recognized as such, then y'all could go ahead and have your discussions about "important things"

blah blah blah whatever. You see, I am someone who would have voted yes for gay marriage, but since I am not bowing down and kissing ass about it I am still the enemy. Whatever dude.

@korvus said:
@vfibsux said:
@korvus said:

@vfibsux: Are you married?

I am, and thankfully now anyone that wants to marry can. We can move on.

I agree but it sounds a bit hypocritical to say "there's more important things than giving other people a right that I've been enjoying". I don't think you meant it the way it sounded...or at least I hope not.

I am not going to tell you that I am happy it passed because I support homosexual marriage, I simply don't care either way. I rather they allow it across the country so it can be a non-issue, not because I felt bad that a man could not marry a man. I do not think it was important enough to support or protest. Just being honest, I don't care if you can marry another man. I do care if your wanting to marry another man is so distracting that it becomes a major political issue. I rather they just go and give you that right than keep it an issue. Make sense? I am not pretending to be some proponent here. If this were adults trying to marry 8 year olds I would stand up against it, consenting adults wanting to be gay? Who gives a shit? Have at it, just stop pushing me around with it. Now that they got what they want hopefully that will be the end of it and we can all move on.

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@vfibsux said:
@lostrib said:

So we're blaming gay people for making gay marriage an issue? It wouldn't have been an issue if people hadn't tried to stop it. If gay people were just allowed to be married in the first place and recognized as such, then y'all could go ahead and have your discussions about "important things"

blah blah blah whatever. You see, I am someone who would have voted yes for gay marriage, but since I am not bowing down and kissing ass about it I am still the enemy. Whatever dude.

i think you need to settle down, dude

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@lostrib said:
@vfibsux said:
@lostrib said:

So we're blaming gay people for making gay marriage an issue? It wouldn't have been an issue if people hadn't tried to stop it. If gay people were just allowed to be married in the first place and recognized as such, then y'all could go ahead and have your discussions about "important things"

blah blah blah whatever. You see, I am someone who would have voted yes for gay marriage, but since I am not bowing down and kissing ass about it I am still the enemy. Whatever dude.

i think you need to settle down, dude

lol, settle down? Why? Because I did not bow down and kiss your ass? If you are going to criticize me for something I am going to respond to it. You are typical of this conversation, you can't even tell when someone is on your side. Sometimes you want allies that share the same goal as you even if you are not in it for the same reasons. You might want to learn that about life, it can help you.

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#312  Edited By lostrib
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@vfibsux said:
@lostrib said:
@vfibsux said:
@lostrib said:

So we're blaming gay people for making gay marriage an issue? It wouldn't have been an issue if people hadn't tried to stop it. If gay people were just allowed to be married in the first place and recognized as such, then y'all could go ahead and have your discussions about "important things"

blah blah blah whatever. You see, I am someone who would have voted yes for gay marriage, but since I am not bowing down and kissing ass about it I am still the enemy. Whatever dude.

i think you need to settle down, dude

lol, settle down? Why? Because I did not bow down and kiss your ass? If you are going to criticize me for something I am going to respond to it. You are typical of this conversation, you can't even tell when someone is on your side. Sometimes you want allies that share the same goal as you even if you are not in it for the same reasons. You might want to learn that about life, it can help you.

dude, calm down

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@vfibsux said:
@lostrib said:

So we're blaming gay people for making gay marriage an issue? It wouldn't have been an issue if people hadn't tried to stop it. If gay people were just allowed to be married in the first place and recognized as such, then y'all could go ahead and have your discussions about "important things"

blah blah blah whatever. You see, I am someone who would have voted yes for gay marriage, but since I am not bowing down and kissing ass about it I am still the enemy. Whatever dude.

@korvus said:
@vfibsux said:
@korvus said:

@vfibsux: Are you married?

I am, and thankfully now anyone that wants to marry can. We can move on.

I agree but it sounds a bit hypocritical to say "there's more important things than giving other people a right that I've been enjoying". I don't think you meant it the way it sounded...or at least I hope not.

I am not going to tell you that I am happy it passed because I support homosexual marriage, I simply don't care either way. I rather they allow it across the country so it can be a non-issue, not because I felt bad that a man could not marry a man. I do not think it was important enough to support or protest. Just being honest, I don't care if you can marry another man. I do care if your wanting to marry another man is so distracting that it becomes a major political issue. I rather they just go and give you that right than keep it an issue. Make sense? I am not pretending to be some proponent here. If this were adults trying to marry 8 year olds I would stand up against it, consenting adults wanting to be gay? Who gives a shit? Have at it, just stop pushing me around with it. Now that they got what they want hopefully that will be the end of it and we can all move on.

I get what you are saying, however the only way change comes about is by making a big political issue over it. Otherwise what are politicians' motivations to change anything if it is not an issue of their constituents?

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Good news.

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@vfibsux said:
@lostrib said:
@vfibsux said:
@lostrib said:

i think you need to settle down, dude

lol, settle down? Why? Because I did not bow down and kiss your ass? If you are going to criticize me for something I am going to respond to it. You are typical of this conversation, you can't even tell when someone is on your side. Sometimes you want allies that share the same goal as you even if you are not in it for the same reasons. You might want to learn that about life, it can help you.

dude, calm down

rofl. What do you think? I am over here throwing chairs and shit? lol. Trust me, I am calm, I am laughing as I type this....

No need to act so aggressive

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#317  Edited By vfibsux
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@comp_atkins said:
@vfibsux said:
@lostrib said:

So we're blaming gay people for making gay marriage an issue? It wouldn't have been an issue if people hadn't tried to stop it. If gay people were just allowed to be married in the first place and recognized as such, then y'all could go ahead and have your discussions about "important things"

blah blah blah whatever. You see, I am someone who would have voted yes for gay marriage, but since I am not bowing down and kissing ass about it I am still the enemy. Whatever dude.

@korvus said:
@vfibsux said:
@korvus said:

@vfibsux: Are you married?

I am, and thankfully now anyone that wants to marry can. We can move on.

I agree but it sounds a bit hypocritical to say "there's more important things than giving other people a right that I've been enjoying". I don't think you meant it the way it sounded...or at least I hope not.

I am not going to tell you that I am happy it passed because I support homosexual marriage, I simply don't care either way. I rather they allow it across the country so it can be a non-issue, not because I felt bad that a man could not marry a man. I do not think it was important enough to support or protest. Just being honest, I don't care if you can marry another man. I do care if your wanting to marry another man is so distracting that it becomes a major political issue. I rather they just go and give you that right than keep it an issue. Make sense? I am not pretending to be some proponent here. If this were adults trying to marry 8 year olds I would stand up against it, consenting adults wanting to be gay? Who gives a shit? Have at it, just stop pushing me around with it. Now that they got what they want hopefully that will be the end of it and we can all move on.

I get what you are saying, however the only way change comes about is by making a big political issue over it. Otherwise what are politicians' motivations to change anything if it is not an issue of their constituents?

That's just the thing though, it should have never been a big deal to begin with. I would expect a little fight at first, but it went on way too long. Part of the reason is these politicians drag these things out. The democrats didn't want this resolved, they wanted to keep it an issue. They just lost one of their talking points. I am glad it is over.

@lostrib said:
@vfibsux said:
@lostrib said:
@vfibsux said:
@lostrib said:

So we're blaming gay people for making gay marriage an issue? It wouldn't have been an issue if people hadn't tried to stop it. If gay people were just allowed to be married in the first place and recognized as such, then y'all could go ahead and have your discussions about "important things"

blah blah blah whatever. You see, I am someone who would have voted yes for gay marriage, but since I am not bowing down and kissing ass about it I am still the enemy. Whatever dude.

i think you need to settle down, dude

lol, settle down? Why? Because I did not bow down and kiss your ass? If you are going to criticize me for something I am going to respond to it. You are typical of this conversation, you can't even tell when someone is on your side. Sometimes you want allies that share the same goal as you even if you are not in it for the same reasons. You might want to learn that about life, it can help you.

dude, calm down

rofl. What do you think? I am over here throwing chairs and shit? lol. Trust me, I am calm, I am laughing as I type this....

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@vfibsux: @comp_atkins: You guys are so mean....making me think people are actually wanting to talk to me when it's just you guys using me in your quote chains ='(

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@lostrib said:
@vfibsux said:
@lostrib said:
@vfibsux said:
@lostrib said:

i think you need to settle down, dude

lol, settle down? Why? Because I did not bow down and kiss your ass? If you are going to criticize me for something I am going to respond to it. You are typical of this conversation, you can't even tell when someone is on your side. Sometimes you want allies that share the same goal as you even if you are not in it for the same reasons. You might want to learn that about life, it can help you.

dude, calm down

rofl. What do you think? I am over here throwing chairs and shit? lol. Trust me, I am calm, I am laughing as I type this....

No need to act so aggressive

Alright dude, now you're just trolling me.

@korvus said:

@vfibsux: @comp_atkins: You guys are so mean....making me think people are actually wanting to talk to me when it's just you guys using me in your quote chains ='(

I had 9 replies the other day, not one of them was to me lol. These are your forums! I didn't design them;)

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@vfibsux: people are taking you the wrong way because your first post made it seem like you viewed this result as petulant children getting thier way as opposed to the rights victory that it is.

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@vfibsux said:
@lostrib said:
@vfibsux said:
@lostrib said:
@vfibsux said:
@lostrib said:

i think you need to settle down, dude

lol, settle down? Why? Because I did not bow down and kiss your ass? If you are going to criticize me for something I am going to respond to it. You are typical of this conversation, you can't even tell when someone is on your side. Sometimes you want allies that share the same goal as you even if you are not in it for the same reasons. You might want to learn that about life, it can help you.

dude, calm down

rofl. What do you think? I am over here throwing chairs and shit? lol. Trust me, I am calm, I am laughing as I type this....

No need to act so aggressive

Alright dude, now you're just trolling me.

No, I honestly think you should stop acting so aggressive

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@vfibsux: Not my forums, I have no affiliation to GS, but the rules say that quote pyramids are limited to 4 quotes and since we can no longer edit users' posts to limit the quote chain we are now instructed to just delete the posts altogether but I really don't want to do that, so I'd like to ask you guys to just delete the older comments from it =)

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@vfibsux: people are taking you the wrong way because your first post made it seem like you viewed this result as petulant children getting thier way as opposed to the rights victory that it is.

That's fine, but I still think the fact that I am not "pro-homosexual" about it has something to do with it. I am not a gay rights advocate by any stretch of the imagination; my view is that of a Libertarian.

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#325  Edited By comp_atkins
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@vfibsux said:
@comp_atkins said:
@vfibsux said:
@lostrib said:

So we're blaming gay people for making gay marriage an issue? It wouldn't have been an issue if people hadn't tried to stop it. If gay people were just allowed to be married in the first place and recognized as such, then y'all could go ahead and have your discussions about "important things"

blah blah blah whatever. You see, I am someone who would have voted yes for gay marriage, but since I am not bowing down and kissing ass about it I am still the enemy. Whatever dude.

@korvus said:
@vfibsux said:
@korvus said:

@vfibsux: Are you married?

I am, and thankfully now anyone that wants to marry can. We can move on.

I agree but it sounds a bit hypocritical to say "there's more important things than giving other people a right that I've been enjoying". I don't think you meant it the way it sounded...or at least I hope not.

I am not going to tell you that I am happy it passed because I support homosexual marriage, I simply don't care either way. I rather they allow it across the country so it can be a non-issue, not because I felt bad that a man could not marry a man. I do not think it was important enough to support or protest. Just being honest, I don't care if you can marry another man. I do care if your wanting to marry another man is so distracting that it becomes a major political issue. I rather they just go and give you that right than keep it an issue. Make sense? I am not pretending to be some proponent here. If this were adults trying to marry 8 year olds I would stand up against it, consenting adults wanting to be gay? Who gives a shit? Have at it, just stop pushing me around with it. Now that they got what they want hopefully that will be the end of it and we can all move on.

I get what you are saying, however the only way change comes about is by making a big political issue over it. Otherwise what are politicians' motivations to change anything if it is not an issue of their constituents?

That's just the thing though, it should have never been a big deal to begin with. I would expect a little fight at first, but it went on way too long. Part of the reason is these politicians drag these things out. The democrats didn't want this resolved, they wanted to keep it an issue. They just lost one of their talking points. I am glad it is over.

I agree it should not have been a big fight in the first place. Though look at who has been offering up the most resistance to allowing same sex marriages occur nationwide and you'll see why it had to become such a big issue before finally passing.

( edit, sorry korvus, you're just not popular )

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@lostrib said:
@TheFlush said:
@Jacanuk said:
@toast_burner said:
@JimB said:

I don't support gay marriage. I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. The supreme court ruled it is legal. The supreme court also ruled slavery was legal. Gays can get married by a justice of the peace but not necessarily in a church by a minister. Religious rights are protected by the constitution. This was forced on 97.7 % by 2.3% of the people and the court. Gay marriage is definitely not steeled and that is the truth of the matter.

America isn't a theocracy.

One Nation under God ....... You can hopefully recognize that right?

You do know that that "one nation under god" wasn't in the original pledge of allegiance do you? That part was added on June 14, 1954.

This is the original one from 1892: "I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

And I don't think the pledge of allegiance actually functions as a legal guideline for the country

A guideline? sure let's say it doesn't.

But does it change the fact that in Murica, you pledge allegiance to a "nation under god" you swear to "tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me god" on a bible. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

So no Murica might not be a theocracy which wasn't my point. My point was just that religion is a major role in America's government and life, and that this way of thinking and the 1st amendment is most certainly under "attack".

And who wants to bet that we soon will hear about Gay couples who are suing their local church because they refuse to marry them. Because remember all this decision does is decided that the government has to accept marriage as not just Man and women. Religion is still free to do what they want, well almost. Think we have seen what happens if a bakery decide to act on their religious beliefs.

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@lostrib said:
@vfibsux said:

Alright dude, now you're just trolling me.

No, I honestly think you should stop acting so aggressive

Are my words scaring you? Seriously man lol, what are you talking about?

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( edit, sorry korvus, you're just not popular )

I know, even my mother hates me =(

Seriously though, please clip the quote chain so I don't have to delete the posts =)

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@Jacanuk said:
@lostrib said:
@TheFlush said:
@Jacanuk said:
@toast_burner said:
@JimB said:

I don't support gay marriage. I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. The supreme court ruled it is legal. The supreme court also ruled slavery was legal. Gays can get married by a justice of the peace but not necessarily in a church by a minister. Religious rights are protected by the constitution. This was forced on 97.7 % by 2.3% of the people and the court. Gay marriage is definitely not steeled and that is the truth of the matter.

America isn't a theocracy.

One Nation under God ....... You can hopefully recognize that right?

You do know that that "one nation under god" wasn't in the original pledge of allegiance do you? That part was added on June 14, 1954.

This is the original one from 1892: "I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

And I don't think the pledge of allegiance actually functions as a legal guideline for the country

A guideline? sure let's say it doesn't.

But does it change the fact that in Murica, you pledge allegiance to a "nation under god" you swear to "tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me god" on a bible. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

So no Murica might not be a theocracy which wasn't my point. My point was just that religion is a major role in America's government and life, and that this way of thinking and the 1st amendment is most certainly under "attack".

And who wants to bet that we soon will hear about Gay couples who are suing their local church because they refuse to marry them. Because remember all this decision does is decided that the government has to accept marriage as not just Man and women. Religion is still free to do what they want, well almost. Think we have seen what happens if a bakery decide to act on their religious beliefs.

Except you don't have to swear to god nor on a bible

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#330 lostrib
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@vfibsux said:
@lostrib said:
@vfibsux said:

Alright dude, now you're just trolling me.

No, I honestly think you should stop acting so aggressive

Are my words scaring you? Seriously man lol, what are you talking about?

that you seem to feel the need to be overly aggressive in this topic, which you claim to not really care about. So just let it go

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@Jacanuk said:

A guideline? sure let's say it doesn't.

But does it change the fact that in Murica, you pledge allegiance to a "nation under god" you swear to "tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me god" on a bible. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

So no Murica might not be a theocracy which wasn't my point. My point was just that religion is a major role in America's government and life, and that this way of thinking and the 1st amendment is most certainly under "attack".

And who wants to bet that we soon will hear about Gay couples who are suing their local church because they refuse to marry them. Because remember all this decision does is decided that the government has to accept marriage as not just Man and women. Religion is still free to do what they want, well almost. Think we have seen what happens if a bakery decide to act on their religious beliefs.

How can a bakery have religious beliefs?

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@lostrib said:
@vfibsux said:
@lostrib said:
@vfibsux said:

Alright dude, now you're just trolling me.

No, I honestly think you should stop acting so aggressive

Are my words scaring you? Seriously man lol, what are you talking about?

that you seem to feel the need to be overly aggressive in this topic, which you claim to not really care about. So just let it go

I am letting you go, how about that?

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#333  Edited By KHAndAnime
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Wow. Roberts, Alito, Thomas, and Scalia are quite some hideous, scumsucking human beings. They're single-handedly trying to keep our society in the stone-ages in terms of progression.

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@KHAndAnime said:

Wow. Roberts, Alito, Thomas, and Scalia are quite some hideous, scumsucking human beings. They're single-handedly trying to keep our society in the stone-ages in terms of progression.

I'm actually OK with Roberts' recent decisions. Even if his verdict isn't what I would have preferred, he mostly uses (arguably) sound legal arguments in his decisions. Unfortunately, I don't think I can say the same for the other three at this point (and particularly Scalia). The latest ACA case was borderline frivolous based on a couple centuries of legal precedent and agreement on the role of the courts. The minority opinion on that one was laughable and, frankly, painful to read.

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Aren't we a democracy though?

Why couldn't we just have WE THE PEOPLE vote on it?

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@-God-: America is a constitutional republic.

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#337  Edited By Buckhannah
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@-God- said:

Aren't we a democracy though?

Why couldn't we just have WE THE PEOPLE vote on it?

A majority voting to determine the civil rights of a minority is completely against all of our founding principles. We are not a simple mob rules democracy, a system like that is what gets you stuff like Hamas running the government of Palestine, and look how that has turned out. In a democracy two wolves and a sheep vote on whats for dinner. In a Democratic Republic (what we have) two wolves and a sheep vote on whats for dinner, but their are strict rules on the books that say sheep is not on the menu.

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@-God- said:

Aren't we a democracy though?

Why couldn't we just have WE THE PEOPLE vote on it?

democratic repbulic...

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@Buckhannah said:
@-God- said:

Aren't we a democracy though?

Why couldn't we just have WE THE PEOPLE vote on it?

A majority voting to determine the civil rights of a minority is completely against all of our founding principles. We are not a simple mob rules democracy, a system like that is what gets you stuff like Hamas running the government of Palestine, and look how that has turned out. In a democracy two wolves and a sheep vote on whats for dinner. In a Democratic Republic (what we have) two wolves and a sheep vote on whats for dinner, but their are strict rules on the books that say sheep is not on the menu.

But now we have agendas. What will they vote for next ?

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#340  Edited By Buckhannah
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@Jacanuk said:

A guideline? sure let's say it doesn't.

But does it change the fact that in Murica, you pledge allegiance to a "nation under god" you swear to "tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me god" on a bible. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

So no Murica might not be a theocracy which wasn't my point. My point was just that religion is a major role in America's government and life, and that this way of thinking and the 1st amendment is most certainly under "attack".

And who wants to bet that we soon will hear about Gay couples who are suing their local church because they refuse to marry them. Because remember all this decision does is decided that the government has to accept marriage as not just Man and women. Religion is still free to do what they want, well almost. Think we have seen what happens if a bakery decide to act on their religious beliefs.

I leave one nation under god out when I say the Pledge. (and why not? It was added historically recently for stupid reasons) Swearing by God to tell the truth while placing your hand on the bible can be opted out of, and churches are not bakeries. Churches do not marry anyone, they have a religious ceremony. Marriage is done when a marriage certificate is obtained. There ya go, all of your points quickly and easily put in the trash. You're welcome.

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#341  Edited By AM-Gamer
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@n64dd: He did the classic SJW routine and rambled about how all minorities are not treated equal.

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#342 Maroxad
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@KHAndAnime said:

Wow. Roberts, Alito, Thomas, and Scalia are quite some hideous, scumsucking human beings. They're single-handedly trying to keep our society in the stone-ages in terms of progression.

I wouldn't mind if we did quite the shakeup in SCOTUS. There are far too many members of scotus who really are nothing more than ideologues in robes, this goes to both the liberal and conservative side. Roberts was the only person on the anti gay marriage side whose reasoning was not that I would expect from a 10 year old child.

@-God- said:

Aren't we a democracy though?

Why couldn't we just have WE THE PEOPLE vote on it?

If that was the case, I am sure gays would have been able to marry a long time ago. Since the majority of americans were in favor of it.

In fact, 60% of all republicans under 50 were in favor of gay marriage. Showing that there is indeed hope for the republican party.

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@KHAndAnime said:

Wow. Roberts, Alito, Thomas, and Scalia are quite some hideous, scumsucking human beings. They're single-handedly trying to keep our society in the stone-ages in terms of progression.

You clearly didn´t read or even bother to check up on why they were in dissent.

Scalia is absolute right that it should never ever be up to the federal government IE the supreme court to decide on such matters, that is for the people themselves to vote on and make sure that their local governments have the people that best see to want they the people want.

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#344 Jacanuk
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@Maroxad said:
@KHAndAnime said:

Wow. Roberts, Alito, Thomas, and Scalia are quite some hideous, scumsucking human beings. They're single-handedly trying to keep our society in the stone-ages in terms of progression.

I wouldn't mind if we did quite the shakeup in SCOTUS. There are far too many members of scotus who really are nothing more than ideologues in robes, this goes to both the liberal and conservative side. Roberts was the only person on the anti gay marriage side whose reasoning was not that I would expect from a 10 year old child.

@-God- said:

Aren't we a democracy though?

Why couldn't we just have WE THE PEOPLE vote on it?

If that was the case, I am sure gays would have been able to marry a long time ago. Since the majority of americans were in favor of it.

In fact, 60% of all republicans under 50 were in favor of gay marriage. Showing that there is indeed hope for the republican party.

If you look at each state , it seemed like they were perfectly able to vote on that matter. why do you think it passed in most states before this decision.

So not sure where you got the idea that people shouldn´t or could vote on such matters. the only problem in some states are republican governors who vetoed propositions but if the people really didn't like that they could just stop voting for the guy, not to mention that they can only sit 2 terms. That is what democracy after all is all about, not having some fat judges who are older than dust sit in a supreme court and decide.

That is in fact kinda the definition of tyranny, so imagine the outcry if they had voted against it.

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#345  Edited By DaVillain  Moderator
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@hallenbeck77 said:

Just a reminder: Use of the word gay as a derogatory term (as in to say something sucks) was against the ToU way back when, and it's still in effect today. We just removed a few with no penalties, but any more from this point on WILL be moderated. Fair warning to everyone.

And of course, if anyone thinks I'm being unfair about this, feel free to let the admins know.

Unfair, nope but if the word Gay is being overused, we might as well just say, Same-Sex and last I check, that ain't against ToU and that's just my 2 cents. And I see no reason to report you to the higher ups, I'm too lazy for that anyways.

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@MakeMeaSammitch: Per a Capita blacks commit far more violent crimes. They also kill whites far more then whites kill blacks. That is a fact, are you saying that the numbers are so high because they are wrongly accused?

The rest of your stats are nothing more then random BS. They have more opportunity then any race out there. More free scholarships(yet are the least educated). And laws that require them to be hired even if they don't meet qualifications! How can nobody wants to hire black people yet we have a black President? Did you ever think job opportunities may not be quite as good because they may not be as qualified?

I don't think you get it....or math, you not understanding how statisics work doesn't make it bs.

here's another fact. there are more whites than any other race, obviously whites are going to die more.

No, I'm giving the example of 2 candidates equally qualified; given that, blacks are less likely to be given interviews than whites and get the job. Read what I said.

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I don't support gay marriage. I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. The supreme court ruled it is legal. The supreme court also ruled slavery was legal. Gays can get married by a justice of the peace but not necessarily in a church by a minister. Religious rights are protected by the constitution. This was forced on 97.7 % by 2.3% of the people and the court. Gay marriage is definitely not steeled and that is the truth of the matter.

actually 65% of people in the U.S. supported it. So maybe you could try being honest rather than telling half truths.

I recommend you take a hard look at yourself and consider growing up.

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@lostrib said:
@Jacanuk said:
@lostrib said:
@TheFlush said:
@Jacanuk said:

One Nation under God ....... You can hopefully recognize that right?

You do know that that "one nation under god" wasn't in the original pledge of allegiance do you? That part was added on June 14, 1954.

This is the original one from 1892: "I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

And I don't think the pledge of allegiance actually functions as a legal guideline for the country

A guideline? sure let's say it doesn't.

But does it change the fact that in Murica, you pledge allegiance to a "nation under god" you swear to "tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me god" on a bible. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

So no Murica might not be a theocracy which wasn't my point. My point was just that religion is a major role in America's government and life, and that this way of thinking and the 1st amendment is most certainly under "attack".

And who wants to bet that we soon will hear about Gay couples who are suing their local church because they refuse to marry them. Because remember all this decision does is decided that the government has to accept marriage as not just Man and women. Religion is still free to do what they want, well almost. Think we have seen what happens if a bakery decide to act on their religious beliefs.

Except you don't have to swear to god nor on a bible

That was not the point though. It's about people like Jacanuk, who are incredibly willing to drag the principles the USA is based on into the conversation. They almost always point out 'nation under god' from the pledge as if that somehow proves that the USA is completely based on Christianity and has to follow it's rules. (Though the Christian god isn't even specified with that sentence). While in fact, the addition of the part 'one nation under god' can be considered a slap in the face of the founding fathers. They simply wanted liberty and justice for all, there's no 'but Christians have the final say on everything, because under god' part in their original pledge.

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@richietickles said:
@fishpockets said:
@richietickles said:
@fishpockets said:

Fantastic news.

It took forever but I'm glad you guys down south caught up to us Canadians, albeit 10 years later.

If it mattered to gays that much, they could have went to Canada years ago.

But they didn't because Canada sucks. No one likes snow.

Don't forget our igloo homes too.

Also, your avatar -- not something I'd gloat about.

I like the snow, igloo homes, and the old star forts in Canada. Everything else... meh.

As for my pic, I can do what I want and that's to give a thumbs down to the new American nation of desolation.

Supporting something that stands for treason and racism?

Pathetic.

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@Jacanuk said:
@Maroxad said:
@KHAndAnime said:

Wow. Roberts, Alito, Thomas, and Scalia are quite some hideous, scumsucking human beings. They're single-handedly trying to keep our society in the stone-ages in terms of progression.

I wouldn't mind if we did quite the shakeup in SCOTUS. There are far too many members of scotus who really are nothing more than ideologues in robes, this goes to both the liberal and conservative side. Roberts was the only person on the anti gay marriage side whose reasoning was not that I would expect from a 10 year old child.

@-God- said:

Aren't we a democracy though?

Why couldn't we just have WE THE PEOPLE vote on it?

If that was the case, I am sure gays would have been able to marry a long time ago. Since the majority of americans were in favor of it.

In fact, 60% of all republicans under 50 were in favor of gay marriage. Showing that there is indeed hope for the republican party.

If you look at each state , it seemed like they were perfectly able to vote on that matter. why do you think it passed in most states before this decision.

So not sure where you got the idea that people shouldn´t or could vote on such matters. the only problem in some states are republican governors who vetoed propositions but if the people really didn't like that they could just stop voting for the guy, not to mention that they can only sit 2 terms. That is what democracy after all is all about, not having some fat judges who are older than dust sit in a supreme court and decide.

That is in fact kinda the definition of tyranny, so imagine the outcry if they had voted against it.

65% of americans support the decistion, and one of the core functions of the court is to take public opinion into account when making laws, so the public did decide....