Georgia appeals for help over Russian "invasion".

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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]I can't believe no one's helping them yet. What gives Russia the right to continue their assault? UnknownSniper65

The same thing that gave the United States the "right" to invade Iraq unilaterally.

the Georgian president was democratically elected...

It doesn't matter. There are no legitimate, enforceable international systems of goverance. Whatever the state in question deems right is right. If they are powerful enough to do it, they have the "right" to. It's all subjective on the international scene.

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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]I can't believe no one's helping them yet. What gives Russia the right to continue their assault? SolidSnake35

The same thing that gave the United States the "right" to invade Iraq unilaterally.

Maybe we should send Russia to America to "help". In other words, what you said makes no sense.

the Georgian president was democratically elected...

UnknownSniper65

CIA Coups spring to mind here...

Maybe we should send Russia to America to "help". In other words, what you said makes no sense. BlackAlpha666

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"][QUOTE="loco145"]To prevent escalation? loco145

So, do you think that Russia is going for Turkey after they are done with Georgia?

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[QUOTE="honkyjoe"]I hope that the US doesnt get involved. that would escalate the situation into a new World War. If Russia pushes towards Tbilisi I fear for the safety of many people and many countrries.BlackAlpha666

Russia is either rebuilding their Soviet empire and America is going to stop them or Russia is making an example out of Georgia and nobody is going to stop them. Which sounds more logical? I'd go with the doomsday scenario, Russia is rebuilding their Soviet empire and we all going to die in a nuclear inferno. :roll:

Why do so many people want a doomsday scenario to happen?

Russia has no goals in this affair other than to answer the call of freedom.

Sarcasm, right? Even if Georgia wouldn't have killed crap loads of civilians, Russia would still have attacked them for attacking Russian troops. Georgia tried to stab Russia in the back and now they are feeling Russia's wrath. I'm pretty sure Russia is simply showing Georgia their place and making an example out of them. "Mess with us and we invade your country." It's really the same thing the US did after 9/11 and it's a common strategy that many countries have been using since the ancient times. So, really, this is nothing new.

[QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"]Maybe we should send Russia to America to "help". In other words, what you said makes no sense. SolidSnake35

But Russia is there to help the Georgian people and show them that their leader is corrupt. They will show them that a new leader must be chosen to end the corruption and make everything better.

Isn't that what the US did?

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[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"][QUOTE="loco145"]To prevent escalation? C_BozkurT_C

So, do you think that Russia is going for Turkey after they are done with Georgia?

Did the turkey did something bad to russia? if not then u have nathing to fear.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"]Maybe we should send Russia to America to "help". In other words, what you said makes no sense. BlackAlpha666

But Russia is there to help the Georgian people and show them that their leader is corrupt. They will show them that a new leader must be chosen to end the corruption and make everything better.

Isn't that what the US did?

I see no Georgians cheering in streets....Iraqis weren't against the intial war to remove Saddam...they are against the occupation,however. The occupation was handled very badly in the early stages and we made some very bad PR mistakes (the lion incident,Looting,policing of civilians,etc).

[QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"]

[QUOTE="honkyjoe"]I hope that the US doesnt get involved. that would escalate the situation into a new World War. If Russia pushes towards Tbilisi I fear for the safety of many people and many countrries.LJS9502_basic

Russia is either rebuilding their Soviet empire and America is going to stop them or Russia is making an example out of Georgia and nobody is going to stop them. Which sounds more logical? I'd go with the doomsday scenario, Russia is rebuilding their Soviet empire and we all going to die in a nuclear inferno. :roll:

Why do so many people want a doomsday scenario to happen?

Russia has no goals in this affair other than to answer the call of freedom.

Sarcasm, right? Even if Georgia wouldn't have killed crap loads of civilians, Russia would still have attacked them for attacking Russian troops. Georgia tried to stab Russia in the back and now they are feeling Russia's wrath. I'm pretty sure Russia is simply showing Georgia their place and making an example out of them. "Mess with us and we invade your country." It's really the same thing the US did after 9/11 and it's a common strategy that many countries have been using since the ancient times. So, really, this is nothing new.

It doesn't change the fact that what Georgia did was pretty suicidal. They knew there were Russian troops there.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"]Maybe we should send Russia to America to "help". In other words, what you said makes no sense. BlackAlpha666

But Russia is there to help the Georgian people and show them that their leader is corrupt. They will show them that a new leader must be chosen to end the corruption and make everything better.

Isn't that what the US did?

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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"]Maybe we should send Russia to America to "help". In other words, what you said makes no sense. UnknownSniper65

But Russia is there to help the Georgian people and show them that their leader is corrupt. They will show them that a new leader must be chosen to end the corruption and make everything better.

Isn't that what the US did?

I see no Georgians cheering in streets....Iraqis weren't against the intial war to remove Saddam...they are against the occupation,however. The occupation was handled very badly in the early stages and we made some very bad PR mistakes (the lion incident,Looting,policing of civilians,etc).

That is irrelevant. I was discussing how Russia is "helping" too in this conflict, just like the US was helping in Iraq. In fact, everybody is "helping" when invading countries. This form of "helping" that we are talking about is extremely subjective.

It doesn't change the fact that what Georgia did was pretty suicidal. They knew there were Russian troops there.

BlackAlpha666

Did the turkey did something bad to russia? if not then u have nathing to fear.

Flotsam

the only thing Turkey's doing is slowly taking over Germany (and other Western European nations, probably). they have no real conflict with Russia.

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It doesn't change the fact that what Georgia did was pretty suicidal. They knew there were Russian troops there.

LJS9502_basic

What does that have to do with anything? Georgia attacked Russian troops. Russian troops are Russian troops, no matter where they are stationed.

Russia wants pro-western Saakashvili out...Russia also wants to finish off Georgia's control over Ossetia and Abkhazia totally....

sentencedogu

If the Russians topple the Georgian Government, NATO will have to step in. Attacking one of American's Allies is a bad move.

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Russia wants pro-western Saakashvili out...Russia also wants to finish off Georgia's control over Ossetia and Abkhazia totally....

Mr_Manikin52

If the Russians topple the Georgian Government, NATO will have to step in. Attacking one of American's Allies is a bad move.

What are they going to do?

What are they going to do?

loco145

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What are they going to do?

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="loco145"]

What are they going to do?

loco145

[QUOTE="loco145"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="loco145"]

What are they going to do?

LJS9502_basic

Well, thinks will get very ugly from there. Russia isn't a slouch, the migthiest force that western countries have faced in recent times was Argentina and the Royal Navy still lost several ships there.loco145

[QUOTE="loco145"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="loco145"]

What are they going to do?

LJS9502_basic

yo dog, it aint right to wish death on others. Nah im sayin?

yo dog, it aint right to wish death on others. Nah im sayin?

Anti-Venom

[QUOTE="loco145"] Well, thinks will get very ugly from there. Russia isn't a slouch, the migthiest force that western countries have faced in recent times was Argentina and the Royal Navy still lost several ships there.LJS9502_basic

All the "rogue" middle eastern states would side with RussiaCruxisXIII

[QUOTE="loco145"] Well, thinks will get very ugly from there. Russia isn't a slouch, the migthiest force that western countries have faced in recent times was Argentina and the Royal Navy still lost several ships there.LJS9502_basic

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yo dog, it aint right to wish death on others. Nah im sayin?

LJS9502_basic

Straight up dog, you fo' real man, you fo' real. I hear ya.

Lets stop those fools.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="loco145"] Well, thinks will get very ugly from there. Russia isn't a slouch, the migthiest force that western countries have faced in recent times was Argentina and the Royal Navy still lost several ships there.CruxisXIII

The worlds modernised, and strong nations would side with Georgia...

[QUOTE="loco145"] Well, thinks will get very ugly from there. Russia isn't a slouch, the migthiest force that western countries have faced in recent times was Argentina and the Royal Navy still lost several ships there.LJS9502_basic

no one will help them but it can be prevented next time by as soon as the war ends give Georgia instant NATO/Eu membershipalexmurray

The problem with that idea is what if Russia never leaves? What if they decide to occupy them, and add them back to Russia?

[QUOTE="alexmurray"]no one will help them but it can be prevented next time by as soon as the war ends give Georgia instant NATO/Eu membershipSAURON221

The problem with that idea is what if Russia never leaves? What if they decide to occupy them, and add them back to Russia?

or set up a government that doesn't want NATO membership?

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[QUOTE="alexmurray"]no one will help them but it can be prevented next time by as soon as the war ends give Georgia instant NATO/Eu membershipHewkii

The problem with that idea is what if Russia never leaves? What if they decide to occupy them, and add them back to Russia?

or set up a government that doesn't want NATO membership?

Exactly, denying them path to NATO membership was a bad idea.

[QUOTE="loco145"] Well, thinks will get very ugly from there. Russia isn't a slouch, the migthiest force that western countries have faced in recent times was Argentina and the Royal Navy still lost several ships there.LJS9502_basic

Your ignorance is laughable. Ever heard of the Commonwealth of Independent States? The spiritual successor to the Soviet Union? Russia easily has 12+ countries to call for aid if the situation calls for it.

Anyways, America is in NO condition to start another war. Especially one against another superpower. American troops are failing miserable fighting against farmers with bolt action rifles, imagine how badly they'd get destroyed facing countless well armed professional Russian soldiers.

[QUOTE="alexmurray"]no one will help them but it can be prevented next time by as soon as the war ends give Georgia instant NATO/Eu membershipSAURON221

The problem with that idea is what if Russia never leaves? What if they decide to occupy them, and add them back to Russia?

Russia will leave Georgia is to important for the EUs energy security.

If Russia annexes Georgia I hope the world at least puts sanctions on Russia

Exactly, denying them path to NATO membership was a bad idea.

SAURON221

The UN doesn't do s*** ever. If they really have been helping in Iraq then I'd say we are indebted to help them out. I'm not advocating any sort of military conflict against Russia, that'd just be really stupid (all we need is a hot war with Russia...) but we could give them some weapons against Panzers and such, food or whatever.

What the heck is russia doing invading their capital city anyway?

Appeasement has worked great in the past, right, right?STWELCH

Don't be ignorant, this is nothing like the past:

A) Georgia provoked the invasion

B) Nuclear deterrence is a ubiquitous wall against further invasion

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[QUOTE="alexmurray"]no one will help them but it can be prevented next time by as soon as the war ends give Georgia instant NATO/Eu membershipalexmurray

The problem with that idea is what if Russia never leaves? What if they decide to occupy them, and add them back to Russia?

Russia will leave Georgia is to important for the EUs energy security.

If Russia annexes Georgia I hope the world at least puts sanctions on Russia

Russia is incredibly self-sufficent. Not to mention the West would die since they would only be getting oil from the already volatile nation of Saudi Arabia.

Your ignorance is laughable. Ever heard of the Commonwealth of Independent States? The spiritual successor to the Soviet Union? Russia easily has 12+ countries to call for aid if the situation calls for it.

Anyways, America is in NO condition to start another war. Especially one against another superpower. American troops are failing miserable fighting against farmers with bolt action rifles, imagine how badly they'd get destroyed facing countless well armed professional Russian soldiers.

Bigg_Boi

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Exactly, denying them path to NATO membership was a bad idea.

loco145

Denying them membership gave Russia the green-light to walk on in. So by doing that we simply started another war we have to deal with. We may not have to deal with militarily, but we have to do something the world can't sit around and let this happen.

The UN doesn't do s*** ever. If they really have been helping in Iraq then I'd say we are indebted to help them out. I'm not advocating any sort of military conflict against Russia, that'd just be really stupid (all we need is a hot war with Russia...) but we could give them some weapons against Panzers and such, food or whatever.

What the heck is russia doing invading their capital city anyway?

tazzydnc

Panzers? Are you referring to the modern day German Arsenal or the incredibly outdated Panzer series of WW2? About the capitol city, it's a little something called "Invasion and Occupation."

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[QUOTE="alexmurray"]no one will help them but it can be prevented next time by as soon as the war ends give Georgia instant NATO/Eu membershipBigg_Boi

The problem with that idea is what if Russia never leaves? What if they decide to occupy them, and add them back to Russia?

Russia will leave Georgia is to important for the EUs energy security.

If Russia annexes Georgia I hope the world at least puts sanctions on Russia

Russia is incredibly self-sufficent. Not to mention the West would die since they would only be getting oil from the already volatile nation of Saudi Arabia.

sanctions dont just have to be economic

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Your ignorance is laughable. Ever heard of the Commonwealth of Independent States? The spiritual successor to the Soviet Union? Russia easily has 12+ countries to call for aid if the situation calls for it.

Anyways, America is in NO condition to start another war. Especially one against another superpower. American troops are failing miserable fighting against farmers with bolt action rifles, imagine how badly they'd get destroyed facing countless well armed professional Russian soldiers.

LJS9502_basic

And what's stopping the Russians from using Guerrilla Warfare themselves? Russian VDV paratroopers and Siberian Regiments are some of the best Unconventional Warfare units in the world. If the cold of the biting Russian winter doesn't kill you, a well placed shot from an SVD will.

You seem to be forgetting that most countries in the modern world do NOT want to be nuked by Russia. American foreign relations are incredibly poor so the only countries that I can imagine helping are England and Germany. Poland and Ukraine both have grudges against Russia but their militaries are pitiful compared to Russia's (this is coming from a resident of Poland).

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="loco145"] Well, thinks will get very ugly from there. Russia isn't a slouch, the migthiest force that western countries have faced in recent times was Argentina and the Royal Navy still lost several ships there.Bigg_Boi

Your ignorance is laughable. Ever heard of the Commonwealth of Independent States? The spiritual successor to the Soviet Union? Russia easily has 12+ countries to call for aid if the situation calls for it.

Anyways, America is in NO condition to start another war. Especially one against another superpower. American troops are failing miserable fighting against farmers with bolt action rifles, imagine how badly they'd get destroyed facing countless well armed professional Russian soldiers.

Ignorance such as yours makes me sigh. First off were not being miserably destroyed by farmers with bolt action rifles. Secondly that's something called guerrilla warfare. No country does good against guerrilla warfare. If America were to face a regulated army such as Russia there is no doubt in my mind we would be superior. In cases such as Iraq were not being miserably beaten were doing just fine, and actually winning if you were to check the latest news on it.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="loco145"] Well, thinks will get very ugly from there. Russia isn't a slouch, the migthiest force that western countries have faced in recent times was Argentina and the Royal Navy still lost several ships there.SAURON221

Your ignorance is laughable. Ever heard of the Commonwealth of Independent States? The spiritual successor to the Soviet Union? Russia easily has 12+ countries to call for aid if the situation calls for it.

Anyways, America is in NO condition to start another war. Especially one against another superpower. American troops are failing miserable fighting against farmers with bolt action rifles, imagine how badly they'd get destroyed facing countless well armed professional Russian soldiers.

Ignorance such as yours makes me sigh. First off were not being miserably destroyed by farmers with bolt action rifles. Secondly that's something called guerrilla warfare. No country does good against guerrilla warfare. If America were to face a regulated army such as Russia there is no doubt in my mind we would be superior. In cases such as Iraq were not being miserably beaten were doing just fine, and actually winning if you were to check the latest news on it.

Didn't you read my other post? Just because a military is big doesn't mean it can't engage in Guerilla Warfare. Ever heard of the Russian Partisans during WW2? They were used when the Soviet Military was at it's largest in history.

BTW, America is already trying to get out of one war against those farmers with bolt action rifles. 3 American troops a month is considered unacceptable. Imagine when thousands of American soldiers are dying fighting against Russia. America is not ready for war politically or militarily.

Ignorance such as yours makes me sigh. First off were not being miserably destroyed by farmers with bolt action rifles. Secondly that's something called guerrilla warfare. No country does good against guerrilla warfare. If America were to face a regulated army such as Russia there is no doubt in my mind we would be superior. In cases such as Iraq were not being miserably beaten were doing just fine, and actually winning if you were to check the latest news on it.

SAURON221

Napoleon and the Wehrmacht were superior, perhaps much superior. They still lost, big time.