Give me at least 1 reason to NOT vote for Obama...

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#1 xTw1st4x
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and at least 1 reason to vote for McCain
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HE'S BLACK!!!!!!!!!!!
[spoiler] j/k, im black too;) [/spoiler]
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#3 II-FBIsniper-II
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I've had enough of Hussein.
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MTV.
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His wife is annoying.
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#6 swizz-the-gamer
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His name is too controversial.

Anyone remember that? :lol:

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His name is too controversial.

Anyone remember that? :lol:

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Yes, what the hell was up with that guy?

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He's a secret socialist Muslim zealot who secretly hides his true sentiments of evil extemism. His former Christian (even though he's still a Muslim) pastor said controversial things, and he of course believes all of them verbatim, depite denouncing all of them. He just hasn't let on. His father was a Muslim, so obviously he is as well, despite the fact that he clearly APPEARS to be a Christian. Because being Muslim is obviously a bad thing, right? I mean terrorism=Islam, so Islam as a whole is evil and should be subtly depicted as being bad. Xenophobia is A OK. Just you wait! He may seem perfect and...actually rather good *ahem*, right now, but don't be fooled. He will reveal all of his incredibly numerous secrets when the time is right, and will take over the world! The conspiracies will all be correct. Oh yes. And his middle name is Hussein. That's bad thing. There was a dictator named Sadaam Hussein, his middle name is Hussein. Coincidence of sharing a common Arab name? I think not... *if you haven't detected the sarcasm yet, get your machine fixed* Just a few of the more idiotic arguments leveled against Obama.
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socialized health care.
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He supports killing babies
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skin colour on both questions.
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He's planning to emancipate the serfs. We cannot let that happen.
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#13 fanofazrienoch
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obama wants to raise your taxes (he's made no effort to keep that a secret. everyone's taxes will go up if obama is elected). Obama wants to personally meet with the leaders of rogue states.

mccain wants to lower your taxes and win in Iraq and help Iran and North Korea and other rogue states make the transition to democracy.

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obama would surrender to the terrorists and John McCain wouldn't.
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#15 The360Wins
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vote against obama because he hasn't talked about anything but the world "change" yet nothing about what he actually means by it.

vote for mccain because he won't just run away from iraq. no matter how unpopular it is, we shouldn't just withdrawal or else the same thing that happened last time will happen again (everyone that helped us is immediately killed by the new saddam). if we pull out then we should no longer be the world police.

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mccain wants to lower your taxes and win in Iraq and help Iran and North Korea and other rogue states make the transition to democracy.

fanofazrienoch

And he's going to do all that without talking to them?

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I can't think of any reason, except maybe Hillary. Actually, when I think of Maggie Thatcher, maybe America would be better off with a black man rather than a white woman.
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Vote for McCain he isnt a **** and just say whatever the people want to hear. Doesnt matter to me tho i will be moving to Japan soon
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[QUOTE="fanofazrienoch"]

mccain wants to lower your taxes and win in Iraq and help Iran and North Korea and other rogue states make the transition to democracy.

Junkie_man

And he's going to do all that without talking to them?


We use war to create democracy. Look how well it went for Iraq.
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#21 KreamBeav
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obama would surrender to the terrorists and John McCain wouldn't.shoeman12

Maybe the terrorists would be less vengeful if a sensible government was in place here?

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#22 ferrari2001
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How bout the fact he's never delt in any overseas problems which a president has to do alot of. He'll spend his first 2 years just learning instead of doing. We can't have a president who sits out for 2 years while trying to get experienced.
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[QUOTE="Junkie_man"][QUOTE="fanofazrienoch"]

mccain wants to lower your taxes and win in Iraq and help Iran and North Korea and other rogue states make the transition to democracy.

bman784

And he's going to do all that without talking to them?


We use war to create democracy. Look how well it went for Iraq.

it took us a years to establish our government. democracies don't just get created overnight, it takes a lot of patient.

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[QUOTE="fanofazrienoch"]

mccain wants to lower your taxes and win in Iraq and help Iran and North Korea and other rogue states make the transition to democracy.

Junkie_man

And he's going to do all that without talking to them?

talking to them will not help the transition to democracy. by giving aid to those trying to establish a democratic state, we can help with the transition to democracy
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[QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="Junkie_man"][QUOTE="fanofazrienoch"]

mccain wants to lower your taxes and win in Iraq and help Iran and North Korea and other rogue states make the transition to democracy.

shoeman12

And he's going to do all that without talking to them?


We use war to create democracy. Look how well it went for Iraq.

it took us a years to establish our government. democracies don't just get created overnight, it takes a lot of patient.


And somehow it's our responsibility to invade other countries and turn them into democracies? When did that happen?
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[QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="Junkie_man"][QUOTE="fanofazrienoch"]

mccain wants to lower your taxes and win in Iraq and help Iran and North Korea and other rogue states make the transition to democracy.

shoeman12

And he's going to do all that without talking to them?


We use war to create democracy. Look how well it went for Iraq.

it took us a years to establish our government. democracies don't just get created overnight, it takes a lot of patient.

The US government has changed a lot since our independence. Perhaps if capitalist politicians (mainly Republicans) started running our country less like a business and more like a democracy...

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Just the fact that he had a 20 year friendship with Jeremiah Wright and other questionable associations.

He's way too liberal and considers illegal aliens as "immigrants".

He has been known to bash our armed forces

He says his campaign is not about race, then gives a 40 minute speech how we should learn something from Jeremiah Wright. Saying he couldn't disown him anymore than an uncle. Then finally, after a long time, he disowns him.

He has made stereotypical racist comments about both blacks and whites.

Too inexperienced and reckless in foreign affairs.

His name is too controversial for my taste -Barrack Hussein Obama

I'm not saying I hate the guy, but vote for President of the US. Heck no!

Oh, you just wanted one reason.

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Just the fact that he had a 20 year friendship with Jeremiah Wright and other questionable associations.

He's way too liberal and considers illegal aliens as "immigrants".

He has been known to bash our armed forces

He says his campaign is not about race, then gives a 40 minute speech how we should learn something from Jeremiah Wright. Saying he couldn't disown him anymore than an uncle. Then finally, after a long time, he disowns him.

He has made stereotypical racist comments about both blacks and whites.

Too inexperienced and reckless in foreign affairs.

His name is too controversial for my taste -Barrack Hussein Obama

I'm not saying I hate the guy, but vote for President of the US. Heck no!

Oh, you just wanted one reason.

pseudodog07

So you consider his name to be an important factor? Grow up. You are no better than those ignorant schmucks who vote for a president based on how "handsome" he is.

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So you consider his name to be an important factor? Grow up. You are no better than those ignorant schmucks who vote for a president based on how "handsome" he is.KreamBeav

Fine, if people vote for him because he's handsome or black, then I can not vote for him based partly on a constroversial name. And I wouldn't vote for Rudolph Hitler either.

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[QUOTE="KreamBeav"]So you consider his name to be an important factor? Grow up. You are no better than those ignorant schmucks who vote for a president based on how "handsome" he is.pseudodog07

Fine, if people vote for him because he's handsome or black, then I can not vote for him based partly on a constroversial name. And I wouldn't vote for Rudolph Hitler either.

Rudolph was Adolph's brother, and I wouldn't vote for him either.

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[QUOTE="pseudodog07"]

[QUOTE="KreamBeav"]So you consider his name to be an important factor? Grow up. You are no better than those ignorant schmucks who vote for a president based on how "handsome" he is.KreamBeav

Fine, if people vote for him because he's handsome or black, then I can not vote for him based partly on a constroversial name. And I wouldn't vote for Rudolph Hitler either.

Rudolph was Adolph's brother, and I wouldn't vote for him either.

LOL, I did not know that.

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[QUOTE="KreamBeav"][QUOTE="pseudodog07"]

[QUOTE="KreamBeav"]So you consider his name to be an important factor? Grow up. You are no better than those ignorant schmucks who vote for a president based on how "handsome" he is.pseudodog07

Fine, if people vote for him because he's handsome or black, then I can not vote for him based partly on a constroversial name. And I wouldn't vote for Rudolph Hitler either.

Rudolph was Adolph's brother, and I wouldn't vote for him either.

LOL, I did not know that.

Actually that's not true. There is a Rudolph Hess, if that counts. Nice attempt at side-tracking though- you roped me into it.

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He's way too liberal and considers illegal aliens as "immigrants".

pseudodog07

Why is this a problem? Why shouldn't he refer to them as immigrants?

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#34 pseudodog07
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[QUOTE="pseudodog07"]

He's way too liberal and considers illegal aliens as "immigrants".

Junkie_man

Why is this a problem? Why shouldn't he refer to them as immigrants?

Because the president should be interested in enforcing the laws of the country, not pandering to lawbreakers. duh.

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[QUOTE="Junkie_man"][QUOTE="pseudodog07"]

He's way too liberal and considers illegal aliens as "immigrants".

pseudodog07

Why is this a problem? Why shouldn't he refer to them as immigrants?

Because the president should be interested in enforcing the laws of the country. duh.


And it's so much easier to do so when you dehumanize the people that you have to deal with. Right?
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[QUOTE="pseudodog07"][QUOTE="Junkie_man"][QUOTE="pseudodog07"]

He's way too liberal and considers illegal aliens as "immigrants".

bman784

Why is this a problem? Why shouldn't he refer to them as immigrants?

Because the president should be interested in enforcing the laws of the country. duh.


And it's so much easier to do so when you dehumanize the people that you have to deal with. Right?

That's what they are, no? I mean should he also call drug dealers, pharmacuetical entreprenuers?

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[QUOTE="Junkie_man"][QUOTE="pseudodog07"]

He's way too liberal and considers illegal aliens as "immigrants".

pseudodog07

Why is this a problem? Why shouldn't he refer to them as immigrants?

Because the president should be interested in enforcing the laws of the country, not pandering to lawbreakers. duh.

I suppose you were a Ron Paul fan before he fell off the radar.

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I'm curious as to whether Obama could get the typically liberal Jewish vote. What with his name and all.

There's a reason why Democrats may be concerned about his name, if the Jewish vote goes Republican (who is Lieberman's best friend?) it could cost him them the race.

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and at least 1 reason to vote for McCainxTw1st4x

Obama is an illegal alien

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I'm curious as to whether Obama could get the typically liberal Jewish vote. What with his name and all.

There's a reason why Democrats may be concerned about his name, if the Jewish vote goes Republican (who is Lieberman's best friend?) it could cost him them the race.

cametall

As if the Jewish race is in any position to criticize people based on race! What hypocrisy!

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[QUOTE="cametall"]

I'm curious as to whether Obama could get the typically liberal Jewish vote. What with his name and all.

There's a reason why Democrats may be concerned about his name, if the Jewish vote goes Republican (who is Lieberman's best friend?) it could cost him them the race.

KreamBeav

As if the Jewish race is in any position to criticize people based on race! What hypocrisy!

Eh? I thought Judaism was a religion, not a race.

Your post baffles me in numerous ways.

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I really don't even know. I can go by statistics and such, but if he gets a second term, then I'll be in the real world and in a position to tell you
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[QUOTE="KreamBeav"][QUOTE="cametall"]

I'm curious as to whether Obama could get the typically liberal Jewish vote. What with his name and all.

There's a reason why Democrats may be concerned about his name, if the Jewish vote goes Republican (who is Lieberman's best friend?) it could cost him them the race.

cametall

As if the Jewish race is in any position to criticize people based on race! What hypocrisy!

Eh? I thought Judaism was a religion, not a race.

Judiasm -> hebrew ->race/culture/group of people
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[QUOTE="cametall"][QUOTE="KreamBeav"][QUOTE="cametall"]

I'm curious as to whether Obama could get the typically liberal Jewish vote. What with his name and all.

There's a reason why Democrats may be concerned about his name, if the Jewish vote goes Republican (who is Lieberman's best friend?) it could cost him them the race.

DivergeUnify

As if the Jewish race is in any position to criticize people based on race! What hypocrisy!

Eh? I thought Judaism was a religion, not a race.

Judiasm -> hebrew ->race/culture/group of people

OK, I'll give you that then. I always considered them white.

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[QUOTE="KreamBeav"][QUOTE="cametall"]

I'm curious as to whether Obama could get the typically liberal Jewish vote. What with his name and all.

There's a reason why Democrats may be concerned about his name, if the Jewish vote goes Republican (who is Lieberman's best friend?) it could cost him them the race.

cametall

As if the Jewish race is in any position to criticize people based on race! What hypocrisy!

Eh? I thought Judaism was a religion, not a race.

There is an ancestral relationship, but yes, you are correct- my bad, but do you have anything to contribute to this argument other than semantics?

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[QUOTE="cametall"][QUOTE="KreamBeav"][QUOTE="cametall"]

I'm curious as to whether Obama could get the typically liberal Jewish vote. What with his name and all.

There's a reason why Democrats may be concerned about his name, if the Jewish vote goes Republican (who is Lieberman's best friend?) it could cost him them the race.

KreamBeav

As if the Jewish race is in any position to criticize people based on race! What hypocrisy!

Eh? I thought Judaism was a religion, not a race.

There is an ancestral relationship, but yes, you are correct- my bad, but do you have anything to contribute to this argument other than semantics?

Yeah, why/how are they hypocrites?

Judging based on race/religion? What are blacks doing this election then?

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[QUOTE="KreamBeav"][QUOTE="cametall"][QUOTE="KreamBeav"][QUOTE="cametall"]

I'm curious as to whether Obama could get the typically liberal Jewish vote. What with his name and all.

There's a reason why Democrats may be concerned about his name, if the Jewish vote goes Republican (who is Lieberman's best friend?) it could cost him them the race.

cametall

As if the Jewish race is in any position to criticize people based on race! What hypocrisy!

Eh? I thought Judaism was a religion, not a race.

There is an ancestral relationship, but yes, you are correct- my bad, but do you have anything to contribute to this argument other than semantics?

Yeah, why/how are they hypocrites?

Judging based on race/religion? What are blacks doing this election then?

I believe blacks are simply revelling in the fact that the first time in history, they may have a black leader of our nation. I believe for the most part it is harmless and let them enjoy it.

As for the Jews, they were (and to some extents, still are) the most persecuted group of people on the planet, mostly based on religion, and also because Syria wants their land back which was just arbitrarily given to them, but you would think that they would put two and two together and realise the destructive potential of race discrimination!

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[QUOTE="FingerSub"]Vote for McCain he isnt a **** and just say whatever the people want to hear. Doesnt matter to me tho i will be moving to Japan soonAmyMizuno
You'll be happy to know that Japan's political parties are the equivelent of the Democrats and the Socialists in the United States. There is no real bastion of conservatism in Japan, besides the few and far between Japanese Imperialists.

Finger's post seemed more aimed at character than policy
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[QUOTE="cametall"][QUOTE="KreamBeav"][QUOTE="cametall"][QUOTE="KreamBeav"][QUOTE="cametall"]

I'm curious as to whether Obama could get the typically liberal Jewish vote. What with his name and all.

There's a reason why Democrats may be concerned about his name, if the Jewish vote goes Republican (who is Lieberman's best friend?) it could cost him them the race.

KreamBeav

As if the Jewish race is in any position to criticize people based on race! What hypocrisy!

Eh? I thought Judaism was a religion, not a race.

There is an ancestral relationship, but yes, you are correct- my bad, but do you have anything to contribute to this argument other than semantics?

Yeah, why/how are they hypocrites?

Judging based on race/religion? What are blacks doing this election then?

I believe blacks are simply revelling in the fact that the first time in history, they may have a black leader of our nation. I believe for the most part it is harmless and let them enjoy it.

As for the Jews, they were (and to some extents, still are) the most persecuted group of people on the planet, mostly based on religion, and also because Syria wants their land back which was just arbitrarily given to them, but you would think that they would put two and two together and realise the destructive potential of race discrimination!

Thank you, I understand why you made the comment now.

Though religion (or a culturally based name) shouldn't play a part in who you vote for, it unfortunately comes down to that sometimes. I think that is a big reason why Mitt Romney (who I voted for, despite me being agnostic) did not win the Republican nomination.