Give me at least 1 reason to NOT vote for Obama...
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[QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"]http://www.eyeblast.tv/Public/Video.aspx?rsrcID=2036
That is all you need.
bman784
That was the most laughable collection of arguments against Obama I've seen. Please don't tell me you buy into the xenophobic "he's a Muslim" argument. I don't know how anyone can pass off that kind of veiled xenophobia as being in any way acceptable.
You, sir, are being quite laughable right now.Because I'm not ignorantly afraid of Muslims? Please enlighten me.
I don't fear Muslims. Muslim extremists I am leery of however. The video didn't just talk about that though. There are several other things. How about him being extremely racist? Oh, wait, you're too closed minded to accept that fact, aren't you?
He's a secret socialist Muslim zealot who secretly hides his true sentiments of evil extemism. His former Christian (even though he's still a Muslim) pastor said controversial things, and he of course believes all of them verbatim, depite denouncing all of them. He just hasn't let on. His father was a Muslim, so obviously he is as well, despite the fact that he clearly APPEARS to be a Christian. Because being Muslim is obviously a bad thing, right? I mean terrorism=Islam, so Islam as a whole is evil and should be subtly depicted as being bad. Xenophobia is A OK. Just you wait! He may seem perfect and...actually rather good *ahem*, right now, but don't be fooled. He will reveal all of his incredibly numerous secrets when the time is right, and will take over the world! The conspiracies will all be correct. Oh yes. And his middle name is Hussein. That's bad thing. There was a dictator named Sadaam Hussein, his middle name is Hussein. Coincidence of sharing a common Arab name? I think not... *if you haven't detected the sarcasm yet, get your machine fixed* Just a few of the more idiotic arguments leveled against Obama.bman784
Well, if he ends up doing worse for the country, I will go on a hippie/college know it alls killing spree
A socialist leaning candidate who cries every time people criticize him....sounds great.:roll:
2nd part of your question isn't as easy for me to answer any more...at least McCain isn't AS left as barry:?
Think I'm voting for Bob Barr as a Libertarian8)
I'll give a few:
Obama's Pastor spewed hate speech for 20 years as Obama sat in the congregation in silent agreement. Obama said he could not disown him, then later disowned him when politically needed. This is a flip flop. Obama said he didn't agree with his Pastor's views, yet has called him his spiritual mentor and named him to a committe. Anyone with decent intelligence would be suspicious unless blinded by fanboyism. Why would you name someone a spiritual mentor and put him on a committee if you disagreed with his core beliefs? This makes no sense to people with common sense.
A former Obama committee member has ties with Hamas.
Obama's campaign blatantly lies about him not reciting from the Quran while a former cla$$mate is witness to the recital.
Obama's wife has made anti American statements.
Obama stated than Iran was not a threat, and then the very next day stated they were. This is a blatant flip flop.
Obama stated that pulling the troops from Iraq would be a disaster and then the very next year stated we should pull them out. This is a blatant flip flop.
He has no executive experience.
He says he wants to change things, yet being in the Senate gives him much more power to change things, so why not stay?
He wants tax payers to foot a $10 billion bill to regulate the housing industry when the problem is people not living within their means
He could destroy our health care system.
He wants to negotiate with extremists who want nothing more than for us to die.
I don't hate Obama, I just think he would be a horrible and dangerous choice for President.
Use common sense.
Read this:
http://www.globalpolitician.com/24450-obama-muslim-elections
You mean other than the association with deplorable characters throughout his campaign? How about the fact that he's been flip-flopping positions since before he even announced his candidancy for President?
Back in January, the Obama campaign described union contributions to the Clinton and Edwards campaign as "special interest" money. He changed his tune as he went after union endorsements himself. He now refers respectfully to unions as the representatives of "working people" and says he is "thrilled" by their support.
Obama replied "yes"in September 2007 when asked if he would agree to public financing of the presidential election if his GOP opponent did the same. His spokesman now says that he never gave such a pledge, and Obama himself has attached several conditions, including regulating spending by outside groups.
In January 2004, Obama said flatly that it was time "to end the embargo with Cuba," because it had "utterly failed in the effort to overthrow Castro." Speaking to a Cuban-American audience in Miami in August 2007, he said he would not "take off the embargo" as president because it was "an important inducement for change."
In a March 2004 questionnaire, Obama was asked if the government should "crack down on businesses that hire illegal immigrants." He replied "Oppose." In a televised debate on January 31, he said that "we do have to crack down on those employers that are taking advantage of the situation."
While running for the U.S. Senate in January 2004, Obama told Illinois college students that he supported eliminating criminal penalties for marijuana use. In the October 30, 2007 presidential debate, he joined other Democratic candidates in opposing the decriminalization of marijuana.
die* (don't want anyone to get confused)No Ibelievethe last discussion ended with something like 'there is nodifferencebetween English doctors and American doctors but ours is better because I say so'.
Oh and your sources, a link to a blog called 'live in America dine inBritain'
swizz-the-gamer
The last discussion never ended because it was locked, and when I showed you the article in another thread, you refused to look at the article, even though it was a British article. Then you stopped posting there.
Nice try.
What the **** does it matter if he's Muslim? I'm Muslim does that make me a ******* terrorist?newman12-18
Not so much that he may be, but his campaign is blatantly lying about his Muslim past. Also, seeing as how extremist Muslims hate the USA with all of their being, it's logical and sensible to not want one controlling our country. Also, he wants to negotiate with the extremists. There's no doubt that Obama is who the extremists want in our office.
[QUOTE="fillini"][QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="-Makaveli-"]socialized health care.swizz-the-gamer
Is that a joke? =| Ever watch sicko? I'm not american btw.
Of course your not American you would realize we have the best health care in the world. I have had two of my friends fathers come here from Canada for treatment and one client fly in from Japan for his treatment. The first canadian would have died from his skin cancer before he could get treatment. and my client had prostate cancer.is it perfect no but a whole heck of alot better than the socialize stuff other countries have.
No you don't. France does. You have 37th or something. Your kidding. France? Based on what. Cost?France had a huge heat wave in August of 2003 where thousands (14,802) died. because they couldn't get treatment. There were like 10,000 bodies that went unclaimed.
HealthCARE. Hmmm? Doesn't sound like they could handle a heat wave let alone true Healthcare.
[QUOTE="fillini"][QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="-Makaveli-"]socialized health care.swizz-the-gamer
Is that a joke? =| Ever watch sicko? I'm not american btw.
Of course your not American you would realize we have the best health care in the world. I have had two of my friends fathers come here from Canada for treatment and one client fly in from Japan for his treatment. The first canadian would have died from his skin cancer before he could get treatment. and my client had prostate cancer.is it perfect no but a whole heck of alot better than the socialize stuff other countries have.
You seriously think you can trust a Michael Moore film to be thruthful and unbiased?[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="fillini"][QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="-Makaveli-"]socialized health care.fillini
Is that a joke? =| Ever watch sicko? I'm not american btw.
Of course your not American you would realize we have the best health care in the world. I have had two of my friends fathers come here from Canada for treatment and one client fly in from Japan for his treatment. The first canadian would have died from his skin cancer before he could get treatment. and my client had prostate cancer.is it perfect no but a whole heck of alot better than the socialize stuff other countries have.
No you don't. France does. You have 37th or something. Your kidding. France? Based on what. Cost?France had a huge heat wave in August of 2003 where thousands (14,802) died. because they couldn't get treatment. There were like 10,000 bodies that went unclaimed.
HealthCARE. Hmmm? Doesn't sound like they could handle a heat wave let alone true Healthcare.
That's how the world health organisation ranks it.Most of those are good htings.You mean other than the association with deplorable characters throughout his campaign? How about the fact that he's been flip-flopping positions since before he even announced his candidancy for President?
Back in January, the Obama campaign described union contributions to the Clinton and Edwards campaign as "special interest" money. He changed his tune as he went after union endorsements himself. He now refers respectfully to unions as the representatives of "working people" and says he is "thrilled" by their support.
Obama replied "yes"in September 2007 when asked if he would agree to public financing of the presidential election if his GOP opponent did the same. His spokesman now says that he never gave such a pledge, and Obama himself has attached several conditions, including regulating spending by outside groups.
In January 2004, Obama said flatly that it was time "to end the embargo with Cuba," because it had "utterly failed in the effort to overthrow Castro." Speaking to a Cuban-American audience in Miami in August 2007, he said he would not "take off the embargo" as president because it was "an important inducement for change."
In a March 2004 questionnaire, Obama was asked if the government should "crack down on businesses that hire illegal immigrants." He replied "Oppose." In a televised debate on January 31, he said that "we do have to crack down on those employers that are taking advantage of the situation."Dracargen
While running for the U.S. Senate in January 2004, Obama told Illinois college students that he supported eliminating criminal penalties for marijuana use. In the October 30, 2007 presidential debate, he joined other Democratic candidates in opposing the decriminalization of marijuana.
[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]die* (don't want anyone to get confused)No Ibelievethe last discussion ended with something like 'there is nodifferencebetween English doctors and American doctors but ours is better because I say so'.
Oh and your sources, a link to a blog called 'live in America dine inBritain'
The_Ish
The last discussion never ended because it was locked, and when I showed you the article in another thread, you refused to look at the article, even though it was a British article. Then you stopped posting there.
Nice try.
I'm having some keyboard issues :lol: I'll get back to this tomorrow i'm tired.[QUOTE="Dracargen"]Most of those are good htings.You mean other than the association with deplorable characters throughout his campaign? How about the fact that he's been flip-flopping positions since before he even announced his candidancy for President?
Back in January, the Obama campaign described union contributions to the Clinton and Edwards campaign as "special interest" money. He changed his tune as he went after union endorsements himself. He now refers respectfully to unions as the representatives of "working people" and says he is "thrilled" by their support.
Obama replied "yes"in September 2007 when asked if he would agree to public financing of the presidential election if his GOP opponent did the same. His spokesman now says that he never gave such a pledge, and Obama himself has attached several conditions, including regulating spending by outside groups.
In January 2004, Obama said flatly that it was time "to end the embargo with Cuba," because it had "utterly failed in the effort to overthrow Castro." Speaking to a Cuban-American audience in Miami in August 2007, he said he would not "take off the embargo" as president because it was "an important inducement for change."
In a March 2004 questionnaire, Obama was asked if the government should "crack down on businesses that hire illegal immigrants." He replied "Oppose." In a televised debate on January 31, he said that "we do have to crack down on those employers that are taking advantage of the situation."
While running for the U.S. Senate in January 2004, Obama told Illinois college students that he supported eliminating criminal penalties for marijuana use. In the October 30, 2007 presidential debate, he joined other Democratic candidates in opposing the decriminalization of marijuana.swizz-the-gamer
Did you read the post he quoted. Those points Obama took one side, then took another in the post your quoted.
[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]Most of those are good htings.You mean other than the association with deplorable characters throughout his campaign? How about the fact that he's been flip-flopping positions since before he even announced his candidancy for President?
Back in January, the Obama campaign described union contributions to the Clinton and Edwards campaign as "special interest" money. He changed his tune as he went after union endorsements himself. He now refers respectfully to unions as the representatives of "working people" and says he is "thrilled" by their support.
Obama replied "yes"in September 2007 when asked if he would agree to public financing of the presidential election if his GOP opponent did the same. His spokesman now says that he never gave such a pledge, and Obama himself has attached several conditions, including regulating spending by outside groups.
In January 2004, Obama said flatly that it was time "to end the embargo with Cuba," because it had "utterly failed in the effort to overthrow Castro." Speaking to a Cuban-American audience in Miami in August 2007, he said he would not "take off the embargo" as president because it was "an important inducement for change."
In a March 2004 questionnaire, Obama was asked if the government should "crack down on businesses that hire illegal immigrants." He replied "Oppose." In a televised debate on January 31, he said that "we do have to crack down on those employers that are taking advantage of the situation."
While running for the U.S. Senate in January 2004, Obama told Illinois college students that he supported eliminating criminal penalties for marijuana use. In the October 30, 2007 presidential debate, he joined other Democratic candidates in opposing the decriminalization of marijuana.Chaos_HL21
Did you read the post he quoted. Those points Obama took one side, then took another in the post your quoted.
Okay perhaps I didn't read that and infact skimmed it. Anyway, I am not familiar with the term flip flop and I refuse to take any post with it in seriously.All good points about Obama. His decision to rely on his pastor for spiritual/mental guidance scares me considering his pastor is a blatant racist/anti-white. All you need to do is listen to his speeches. He talks of ideals and is running his campaign based on nothing but hope that he knows he can't provide.
I'll give a few:
Obama's Pastor spewed hate speech for 20 years as Obama sat in the congregation in silent agreement. Obama said he could not disown him, then later disowned him when politically needed. This is a flip flop. Obama said he didn't agree with his Pastor's views, yet has called him his spiritual mentor and named him to a committe. Anyone with decent intelligence would be suspicious unless blinded by fanboyism. Why would you name someone a spiritual mentor and put him on a committee if you disagreed with his core beliefs? This makes no sense to people with common sense.
A former Obama committee member has ties with Hamas.
Obama's campaign blatantly lies about him not reciting from the Quran while a former cla$$mate is witness to the recital.
Obama's wife has made anti American statements.
Obama stated than Iran was not a threat, and then the very next day stated they were. This is a blatant flip flop.
Obama stated that pulling the troops from Iraq would be a disaster and then the very next year stated we should pull them out. This is a blatant flip flop.He has no executive experience.
He says he wants to change things, yet being in the Senate gives him much more power to change things, so why not stay?
He wants tax payers to foot a $10 billion bill to regulate the housing industry when the problem is people not living within their means
He could destroy our health care system.
He wants to negotiate with extremists who want nothing more than for us to die.
I don't hate Obama, I just think he would be a horrible and dangerous choice for President.
Use common sense.
Read this:
http://www.globalpolitician.com/24450-obama-muslim-elections
Trashface
[QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]Most of those are good htings.You mean other than the association with deplorable characters throughout his campaign? How about the fact that he's been flip-flopping positions since before he even announced his candidancy for President?
Back in January, the Obama campaign described union contributions to the Clinton and Edwards campaign as "special interest" money. He changed his tune as he went after union endorsements himself. He now refers respectfully to unions as the representatives of "working people" and says he is "thrilled" by their support.
Obama replied "yes"in September 2007 when asked if he would agree to public financing of the presidential election if his GOP opponent did the same. His spokesman now says that he never gave such a pledge, and Obama himself has attached several conditions, including regulating spending by outside groups.
In January 2004, Obama said flatly that it was time "to end the embargo with Cuba," because it had "utterly failed in the effort to overthrow Castro." Speaking to a Cuban-American audience in Miami in August 2007, he said he would not "take off the embargo" as president because it was "an important inducement for change."
In a March 2004 questionnaire, Obama was asked if the government should "crack down on businesses that hire illegal immigrants." He replied "Oppose." In a televised debate on January 31, he said that "we do have to crack down on those employers that are taking advantage of the situation."
While running for the U.S. Senate in January 2004, Obama told Illinois college students that he supported eliminating criminal penalties for marijuana use. In the October 30, 2007 presidential debate, he joined other Democratic candidates in opposing the decriminalization of marijuana.swizz-the-gamer
Did you read the post he quoted. Those points Obama took one side, then took another in the post your quoted.
Okay perhaps I didn't read that and infact skimmed it. Anyway, I am not familiar with the term flip flop and I refuse to take any post with it in seriously.If you don't know what it means, don't you think it's dangerous to dismiss it? The term means to state a position, then state the opposite position. Read my previous posts in this thread.
[QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="Junkie_man"][QUOTE="fanofazrienoch"]mccain wants to lower your taxes and win in Iraq and help Iran and North Korea and other rogue states make the transition to democracy.
shoeman12
And he's going to do all that without talking to them?
We use war to create democracy. Look how well it went for Iraq.
it took us a years to establish our government. democracies don't just get created overnight, it takes a lot of patient.
Why is it any of our business what form of government these countries choose to embrace?
But at this point, it is rational to question whether Obama is either lying about what he knew about Wright, or that he has an extremely poor sense of judgment. I mean he either knew Wright's views and didn't tell the truth about them, or he somehow missed the core beliefs of the man he called his mentor which shows he has a terrible judgment of character. I mean I'm glad Obama finally came to the same conclusion about Wright that myself and others came to long ago, I just think it was too little to late. Now I'm just wondering why it took me one minute and him 20 years.
2. This kind of goes along with #1. Obama associates himself with radical people who have questionable values such as Wright, Rezko, and Ayers. Now I know one of his supporters will come back and say guilty by association is wrong, but however right or wrong it is, people are often judged by the company they keep. That is just a fact of life. I mean there is reasoning behind old cliches such as birds of a feather flock together, and if you lie with dogs, you get fleas. You tend to have more in common with your friends than not in common. Guilty by association is based on the fact that people tend to associate with others who share most of their views. That is human nature.
I mean why would he befriend these types of people in the first place??? Obama chose to befriend them, and at some point, your choices have to stop being called mistakes and become a pattern. His judgment is being brought into question because of his friendships and associations with these people. I mean say if a former drug addict continued to associate with drug addicts, wouldn't you question his judgment?
3. Let's not forget he lies aswell. Here are two examples.
First it was "My parents got together because of the Selma marches in 1965," even though Obama was born four years earlier in 1961.
Then it was "My father was on the Kennedy air flights from Kenya" even though his father came a year BEFORE the Kennedy air flights.
These lies are no where near as big as Hillary's Bosnia lie, but he is still lying, and this is coming from the supposed "candidate of change".
4. I absolutely can't stand his wife, Michelle. The problem with her is not that she is a woman who doesn't "know her place," but that she is a self-righteous, self-absorbed pity-monger who doesn't know her mouth is not the best place to put her foot. And that has nothing to do with her gender or her race. Idiots come with penises and they also come with vaginas, and they come in every color of the rainbow too. The comments she has made would be ludicrous regardless of who uttered them.
I also can't stand how she seems to believe that while she, a black woman, got ahead in life, not everybody else can. She was born in 1964, and she says that most American's lives have "gotten progressively worse since I was a little girl." Are you serious?? Since 1960, real per capita income has increased 143%, life expectancy has increased by 7 years, infant mortality has declined 74%, deaths from heart disease have been halved, childhood leukemia has stopped being a death sentence, depression has become a treatable disease, the number of woman earning a bachelor's degree has more than doubled.
5. I also can't stand his supporters. What I find confusing about them is that Obama's message is about hope, change, and peace, yet all his supporters do is spout hate towards people who aren't for him. I mean if you look at Hillary and McCain supporters, they mostly attack Obama whether it be a legitimate attack or a completely stupid one. The most they usually say about his supporters though is that they are like a cult, which I will admit, I've said myself. But now look at his supporters. They pretty much talk down to middle c_lass/blue collar voters who support Hillary by saying she is getting the uneducated voters. Heck, you should see some of the more extreme derogatory remarks on other websites they made about the people of WV and KY. His supporters also deem you as a racist if you don't support Obama. You are deemed a racist if you aren't going to vote for him. You are deemed a racist if you say something negative about him or his wife. You are deemed a racist if you bring up him and Wright. Here's an example.
When concering Wright, I found it hard to understand how the media and Obama's supporters praised him for defending Wright in his Philadelphia speech on race, but then turned right around and praised him again for condemning Wright for the same exact opinions. And the people who were livid by Wright's jarring and disparaging comments that spouted hate, have been deemed as racists by many of Obama's supporters, but when Obama said he was "outraged" by the disparaging comments, he's called brave. Something seems wrong about that to me. Why am I and others being deemed as racist for being outraged by Wright's words, but Obama is seen as brave?????? His supporters just make me not like him even more.
Waits for someone to say too long, didn't read, but that's my 2 cents. peace
[QUOTE="Junkie_man"][QUOTE="fanofazrienoch"]mccain wants to lower your taxes and win in Iraq and help Iran and North Korea and other rogue states make the transition to democracy.
bman784
And he's going to do all that without talking to them?
We use war to create democracy. Look how well it went for Iraq.
look at how well it went for Japan, Germany, Italy and the U.S.
[QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="Junkie_man"][QUOTE="fanofazrienoch"]mccain wants to lower your taxes and win in Iraq and help Iran and North Korea and other rogue states make the transition to democracy.
whipassmt
And he's going to do all that without talking to them?
We use war to create democracy. Look how well it went for Iraq.
look at how well it went for Japan, Germany, Italy and the U.S.WW2 was about creating democracies in those countries?
[QUOTE="whipassmt"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="Junkie_man"][QUOTE="fanofazrienoch"]mccain wants to lower your taxes and win in Iraq and help Iran and North Korea and other rogue states make the transition to democracy.
killtactics
And he's going to do all that without talking to them?
We use war to create democracy. Look how well it went for Iraq.
look at how well it went for Japan, Germany, Italy and the U.S.WW2 was about creating democracies in those countries?
World War II was about protecting our country and citizens. No war should ever be about spreading democracy. Nor do I believe or accept that as a reason for our war with Iraq. Do not think that governments ever take commiting soldiers to war lightly.
We went to war with Iraq because they supported and funded radical extremists. And to be quite frank, if we don't kill them in Iraq and Afghanistan, we'll be killing them in the streets of New York. I'd much rather kill them in Iraq.
With all that said, if democracy is a byproduct of war, then it is perhaps one of the few goods wars can do.
[QUOTE="whipassmt"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="Junkie_man"][QUOTE="fanofazrienoch"]mccain wants to lower your taxes and win in Iraq and help Iran and North Korea and other rogue states make the transition to democracy.
killtactics
And he's going to do all that without talking to them?
We use war to create democracy. Look how well it went for Iraq.
look at how well it went for Japan, Germany, Italy and the U.S.WW2 was about creating democracies in those countries?Not neccessarily. WWII was about destroying the regimes in those countries who wanted to do others harm. The "democratization" came later as a by product of their defeat.
1. I can't for the life of me believe that Obama sat in a church for 20 years and didn't know the fiery rhetoric that was coming out of his pastors mouth. I mean seriously!?!?! Obama supporters, would you believe me if I said I went to KKK rallies for 20 years and never once heard the "N" word? God I hope not, and that's why I call BS on Obama.
But at this point, it is rational to question whether Obama is either lying about what he knew about Wright, or that he has an extremely poor sense of judgment. I mean he either knew Wright's views and didn't tell the truth about them, or he somehow missed the core beliefs of the man he called his mentor which shows he has a terrible judgment of character. I mean I'm glad Obama finally came to the same conclusion about Wright that myself and others came to long ago, I just think it was too little to late. Now I'm just wondering why it took me one minute and him 20 years.
2. This kind of goes along with #1. Obama associates himself with radical people who have questionable values such as Wright, Rezko, and Ayers. Now I know one of his supporters will come back and say guilty by association is wrong, but however right or wrong it is, people are often judged by the company they keep. That is just a fact of life. I mean there is reasoning behind old cliches such as birds of a feather flock together, and if you lie with dogs, you get fleas. You tend to have more in common with your friends than not in common. Guilty by association is based on the fact that people tend to associate with others who share most of their views. That is human nature.
I mean why would he befriend these types of people in the first place??? Obama chose to befriend them, and at some point, your choices have to stop being called mistakes and become a pattern. His judgment is being brought into question because of his friendships and associations with these people. I mean say if a former drug addict continued to associate with drug addicts, wouldn't you question his judgment?
3. Let's not forget he lies aswell. Here are two examples.
First it was "My parents got together because of the Selma marches in 1965," even though Obama was born four years earlier in 1961.
Then it was "My father was on the Kennedy air flights from Kenya" even though his father came a year BEFORE the Kennedy air flights.
These lies are no where near as big as Hillary's Bosnia lie, but he is still lying, and this is coming from the supposed "candidate of change".
4. I absolutely can't stand his wife, Michelle. The problem with her is not that she is a woman who doesn't "know her place," but that she is a self-righteous, self-absorbed pity-monger who doesn't know her mouth is not the best place to put her foot. And that has nothing to do with her gender or her race. Idiots come with penises and they also come with vaginas, and they come in every color of the rainbow too. The comments she has made would be ludicrous regardless of who uttered them.
I also can't stand how she seems to believe that while she, a black woman, got ahead in life, not everybody else can. She was born in 1964, and she says that most American's lives have "gotten progressively worse since I was a little girl." Are you serious?? Since 1960, real per capita income has increased 143%, life expectancy has increased by 7 years, infant mortality has declined 74%, deaths from heart disease have been halved, childhood leukemia has stopped being a death sentence, depression has become a treatable disease, the number of woman earning a bachelor's degree has more than doubled.
5. I also can't stand his supporters. What I find confusing about them is that Obama's message is about hope, change, and peace, yet all his supporters do is spout hate towards people who aren't for him. I mean if you look at Hillary and McCain supporters, they mostly attack Obama whether it be a legitimate attack or a completely stupid one. The most they usually say about his supporters though is that they are like a cult, which I will admit, I've said myself. But now look at his supporters. They pretty much talk down to middle c_lass/blue collar voters who support Hillary by saying she is getting the uneducated voters. Heck, you should see some of the more extreme derogatory remarks on other websites they made about the people of WV and KY. His supporters also deem you as a racist if you don't support Obama. You are deemed a racist if you aren't going to vote for him. You are deemed a racist if you say something negative about him or his wife. You are deemed a racist if you bring up him and Wright. Here's an example.
When concering Wright, I found it hard to understand how the media and Obama's supporters praised him for defending Wright in his Philadelphia speech on race, but then turned right around and praised him again for condemning Wright for the same exact opinions. And the people who were livid by Wright's jarring and disparaging comments that spouted hate, have been deemed as racists by many of Obama's supporters, but when Obama said he was "outraged" by the disparaging comments, he's called brave. Something seems wrong about that to me. Why am I and others being deemed as racist for being outraged by Wright's words, but Obama is seen as brave?????? His supporters just make me not like him even more.
Waits for someone to say too long, didn't read, but that's my 2 cents. peacepeaceful_anger
Well said my friend, well said:)
[QUOTE="peaceful_anger"]1. I can't for the life of me believe that Obama sat in a church for 20 years and didn't know the fiery rhetoric that was coming out of his pastors mouth. I mean seriously!?!?! Obama supporters, would you believe me if I said I went to KKK rallies for 20 years and never once heard the "N" word? God I hope not, and that's why I call BS on Obama.
But at this point, it is rational to question whether Obama is either lying about what he knew about Wright, or that he has an extremely poor sense of judgment. I mean he either knew Wright's views and didn't tell the truth about them, or he somehow missed the core beliefs of the man he called his mentor which shows he has a terrible judgment of character. I mean I'm glad Obama finally came to the same conclusion about Wright that myself and others came to long ago, I just think it was too little to late. Now I'm just wondering why it took me one minute and him 20 years.
2. This kind of goes along with #1. Obama associates himself with radical people who have questionable values such as Wright, Rezko, and Ayers. Now I know one of his supporters will come back and say guilty by association is wrong, but however right or wrong it is, people are often judged by the company they keep. That is just a fact of life. I mean there is reasoning behind old cliches such as birds of a feather flock together, and if you lie with dogs, you get fleas. You tend to have more in common with your friends than not in common. Guilty by association is based on the fact that people tend to associate with others who share most of their views. That is human nature.
I mean why would he befriend these types of people in the first place??? Obama chose to befriend them, and at some point, your choices have to stop being called mistakes and become a pattern. His judgment is being brought into question because of his friendships and associations with these people. I mean say if a former drug addict continued to associate with drug addicts, wouldn't you question his judgment?
3. Let's not forget he lies aswell. Here are two examples.
First it was "My parents got together because of the Selma marches in 1965," even though Obama was born four years earlier in 1961.
Then it was "My father was on the Kennedy air flights from Kenya" even though his father came a year BEFORE the Kennedy air flights.
These lies are no where near as big as Hillary's Bosnia lie, but he is still lying, and this is coming from the supposed "candidate of change".
4. I absolutely can't stand his wife, Michelle. The problem with her is not that she is a woman who doesn't "know her place," but that she is a self-righteous, self-absorbed pity-monger who doesn't know her mouth is not the best place to put her foot. And that has nothing to do with her gender or her race. Idiots come with penises and they also come with vaginas, and they come in every color of the rainbow too. The comments she has made would be ludicrous regardless of who uttered them.
I also can't stand how she seems to believe that while she, a black woman, got ahead in life, not everybody else can. She was born in 1964, and she says that most American's lives have "gotten progressively worse since I was a little girl." Are you serious?? Since 1960, real per capita income has increased 143%, life expectancy has increased by 7 years, infant mortality has declined 74%, deaths from heart disease have been halved, childhood leukemia has stopped being a death sentence, depression has become a treatable disease, the number of woman earning a bachelor's degree has more than doubled.
5. I also can't stand his supporters. What I find confusing about them is that Obama's message is about hope, change, and peace, yet all his supporters do is spout hate towards people who aren't for him. I mean if you look at Hillary and McCain supporters, they mostly attack Obama whether it be a legitimate attack or a completely stupid one. The most they usually say about his supporters though is that they are like a cult, which I will admit, I've said myself. But now look at his supporters. They pretty much talk down to middle c_lass/blue collar voters who support Hillary by saying she is getting the uneducated voters. Heck, you should see some of the more extreme derogatory remarks on other websites they made about the people of WV and KY. His supporters also deem you as a racist if you don't support Obama. You are deemed a racist if you aren't going to vote for him. You are deemed a racist if you say something negative about him or his wife. You are deemed a racist if you bring up him and Wright. Here's an example.
When concering Wright, I found it hard to understand how the media and Obama's supporters praised him for defending Wright in his Philadelphia speech on race, but then turned right around and praised him again for condemning Wright for the same exact opinions. And the people who were livid by Wright's jarring and disparaging comments that spouted hate, have been deemed as racists by many of Obama's supporters, but when Obama said he was "outraged" by the disparaging comments, he's called brave. Something seems wrong about that to me. Why am I and others being deemed as racist for being outraged by Wright's words, but Obama is seen as brave?????? His supporters just make me not like him even more.
Waits for someone to say too long, didn't read, but that's my 2 cents. peaceSoul_Killa_Dark
Well said my friend, well said:)
I really must know if the Fox News identity politics will ever end. Hannity has more to work with then all of this, he needs to give it a rest. I'm a conservative, and Obama is the last candidate I'd vote for, but this all needs to end. On fact, I'd say all three major party candidates should just drop out and let us start over with a few who may be competent. Of course, we're talking about politicians, so that may never happen.
i have a feeling many of the obama supporters are the smae people who started hating bush because that was the cool thing to do. i do not like bush either, but attack his policy not his pronounciation of the word nuclear. also tell me you like obama because of his ideas not because hes black or hes cool or because hillary clinton is a **** and john mccain is old
what about this jerk, does this qualify as a reason
whipassmt
I can't think of any reason, except maybe Hillary. Actually, when I think of Maggie Thatcher, maybe America would be better off with a black man rather than a white woman.KreamBeav
why to generalize women there mate ..
not all women are like Maggie Thatcher ... ( an evil conservative who ruined many peoples lives)
[QUOTE="KreamBeav"]I can't think of any reason, except maybe Hillary. Actually, when I think of Maggie Thatcher, maybe America would be better off with a black man rather than a white woman.soren008
why to generalize women there mate ..
not all women are like Maggie Thatcher ... ( an evil conservative who ruined many peoples lives)
No, we are. ;)
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