Give me at least 1 reason to NOT vote for Obama...

Obama would probably help our standing in the world, showing we don't continue to elect the same old white men. Get us the hell out of Iraq, work to some sort of health care solution, taxes aren't going to change wildly for 99% of the people here, he'll do what other good presidents have done and talk with friends and foes alike. We've sure accomplished alot with Iran, Cuba and North Korea over the last 8 years, so what if nothing comes of it at least freaking try. And experience is a not near as big an issue as people make it out to be.btaylor2404

[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="whipassmt"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="Junkie_man"][QUOTE="fanofazrienoch"]

mccain wants to lower your taxes and win in Iraq and help Iran and North Korea and other rogue states make the transition to democracy.

Katafran

And he's going to do all that without talking to them?

World War II was about protecting our country and citizens. No war should ever be about spreading democracy. Nor do I believe or accept that as a reason for our war with Iraq. Do not think that governments ever take commiting soldiers to war lightly.

We went to war with Iraq because they supported and funded radical extremists. And to be quite frank, if we don't kill them in Iraq and Afghanistan, we'll be killing them in the streets of New York. I'd much rather kill them in Iraq.

With all that said, if democracy is a byproduct of war, then it is perhaps one of the few goods wars can do.

[QUOTE="Katafran"][QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="whipassmt"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="Junkie_man"][QUOTE="fanofazrienoch"]

mccain wants to lower your taxes and win in Iraq and help Iran and North Korea and other rogue states make the transition to democracy.

swizz-the-gamer

And he's going to do all that without talking to them?

World War II was about protecting our country and citizens. No war should ever be about spreading democracy. Nor do I believe or accept that as a reason for our war with Iraq. Do not think that governments ever take commiting soldiers to war lightly.

We went to war with Iraq because they supported and funded radical extremists. And to be quite frank, if we don't kill them in Iraq and Afghanistan, we'll be killing them in the streets of New York. I'd much rather kill them in Iraq.

With all that said, if democracy is a byproduct of war, then it is perhaps one of the few goods wars can do.

Please explain what's wrong with his post if it's so wrong.

Also explain how what he said is worse than your belief that "anyone who is not a Liberal is insane" and that "Conservatives are on a slippery slope to fascism." You never really explained yourself in the other topic, except with a nice "A free, liberal world." :roll:

[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="whipassmt"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="Junkie_man"][QUOTE="fanofazrienoch"]

mccain wants to lower your taxes and win in Iraq and help Iran and North Korea and other rogue states make the transition to democracy.

Katafran

And he's going to do all that without talking to them?

World War II was about protecting our country and citizens. No war should ever be about spreading democracy. Nor do I believe or accept that as a reason for our war with Iraq. Do not think that governments ever take commiting soldiers to war lightly.

We went to war with Iraq because they supported and funded radical extremists. And to be quite frank, if we don't kill them in Iraq and Afghanistan, we'll be killing them in the streets of New York. I'd much rather kill them in Iraq.

With all that said, if democracy is a byproduct of war, then it is perhaps one of the few goods wars can do.

PS the majority of the terrorist who were part of 9/11 were born in Saudi Arabia....

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="Katafran"][QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="whipassmt"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="Junkie_man"][QUOTE="fanofazrienoch"]

mccain wants to lower your taxes and win in Iraq and help Iran and North Korea and other rogue states make the transition to democracy.

Dracargen

And he's going to do all that without talking to them?

World War II was about protecting our country and citizens. No war should ever be about spreading democracy. Nor do I believe or accept that as a reason for our war with Iraq. Do not think that governments ever take commiting soldiers to war lightly.

We went to war with Iraq because they supported and funded radical extremists. And to be quite frank, if we don't kill them in Iraq and Afghanistan, we'll be killing them in the streets of New York. I'd much rather kill them in Iraq.

With all that said, if democracy is a byproduct of war, then it is perhaps one of the few goods wars can do.

Please explain what's wrong with his post if it's so wrong.

Also explain how what he said is worse than your belief that "anyone who is not a Liberal is insane" and that "Conservatives are on a slippery slope to fascism." You never really explained yourself in the other topic, except with a nice "A free, liberal world." :roll:

Anyway, the main thing I find ridiculous about his statement is 'And to be quite frank, if we don't kill them in Iraq and Afghanistan, we'll be killing them in the streets of New York. I'd much rather kill them in Iraq.'

That statement isblatantlyfalse, no one has every claimed Iraq would invade America. Iraq invading America? Also, try not to use a smily in every single post it's very obnoxious.

[QUOTE="CheeChee_Macko"]His wife is annoying.whipassmt

I'll lay 10 to 1 odds that she definitely wears the pants in that relationship:lol:

[QUOTE="KreamBeav"][QUOTE="cametall"][QUOTE="KreamBeav"][QUOTE="cametall"]

I'm curious as to whether Obama could get the typically liberal Jewish vote. What with his name and all.

There's a reason why Democrats may be concerned about his name, if the Jewish vote goes Republican (who is Lieberman's best friend?) it could cost him them the race.

cametall

As if the Jewish race is in any position to criticize people based on race! What hypocrisy!

Eh? I thought Judaism was a religion, not a race.

There is an ancestral relationship, but yes, you are correct- my bad, but do you have anything to contribute to this argument other than semantics?

Yeah, why/how are they hypocrites?

Judging based on race/religion? What are blacks doing this election then?

What are whites doing this election then?

[QUOTE="cametall"][QUOTE="KreamBeav"][QUOTE="cametall"][QUOTE="KreamBeav"][QUOTE="cametall"]

I'm curious as to whether Obama could get the typically liberal Jewish vote. What with his name and all.

There's a reason why Democrats may be concerned about his name, if the Jewish vote goes Republican (who is Lieberman's best friend?) it could cost him them the race.

smarb001

As if the Jewish race is in any position to criticize people based on race! What hypocrisy!

Eh? I thought Judaism was a religion, not a race.

There is an ancestral relationship, but yes, you are correct- my bad, but do you have anything to contribute to this argument other than semantics?

Yeah, why/how are they hypocrites?

Judging based on race/religion? What are blacks doing this election then?

What are whites doing this election then?

LOL, I seen that on TV as well. West Virginians must think its still the 1900's. Oh and they believe he is Muslim and Muslims must be bad.

Thats right I am generalizing the entire state as a bunch of rascists just because of what a couple of people said on camera, what wanna fight about it:P

Obama's campaign blatantly lies about him not reciting from the Quran while a former cla$$mate is witness to the recital.

Trashface

The sad thing is that he has to, otherwise every redneck religious nut is going to go, "I don't want a suspected muslim president, muslims scare me." Religious beliefs should definitely not influence the election of a president.:| What happened to religious equality?

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="Katafran"]



World War II was about protecting our country and citizens. No war should ever be about spreading democracy. Nor do I believe or accept that as a reason for our war with Iraq. Do not think that governments ever take commiting soldiers to war lightly.

We went to war with Iraq because they supported and funded radical extremists. And to be quite frank, if we don't kill them in Iraq and Afghanistan, we'll be killing them in the streets of New York. I'd much rather kill them in Iraq.



With all that said, if democracy is a byproduct of war, then it is perhaps one of the few goods wars can do.

swizz-the-gamer

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="Katafran"]



World War II was about protecting our country and citizens. No war should ever be about spreading democracy. Nor do I believe or accept that as a reason for our war with Iraq. Do not think that governments ever take commiting soldiers to war lightly.

We went to war with Iraq because they supported and funded radical extremists. And to be quite frank, if we don't kill them in Iraq and Afghanistan, we'll be killing them in the streets of New York. I'd much rather kill them in Iraq.



With all that said, if democracy is a byproduct of war, then it is perhaps one of the few goods wars can do.

Katafran

He'll spend money we don't have.Xx_CYC756_xX

Wait, your suggesting the 90,000 ish dead (there lives are over they will never think or breath or kiss another human again) civilians were planning on launching 'WMD's' at new york? All this war has done is made the Arabic world hate the western world even more.swizz-the-gamer

No, I'm not suggesting that at all. Perhaps you should read a bit closer. I am suggesting that we, as a nation, would have faced what Israel is going through (bombings and the like). I was acknowleding another posters comment about WMDs.

90,000 dead is awful. No one is saying otherwise.

[QUOTE="Soul_Killa_Dark"]

[QUOTE="peaceful_anger"]1. I can't for the life of me believe that Obama sat in a church for 20 years and didn't know the fiery rhetoric that was coming out of his pastors mouth. I mean seriously!?!?! Obama supporters, would you believe me if I said I went to KKK rallies for 20 years and never once heard the "N" word? God I hope not, and that's why I call BS on Obama.

But at this point, it is rational to question whether Obama is either lying about what he knew about Wright, or that he has an extremely poor sense of judgment. I mean he either knew Wright's views and didn't tell the truth about them, or he somehow missed the core beliefs of the man he called his mentor which shows he has a terrible judgment of character. I mean I'm glad Obama finally came to the same conclusion about Wright that myself and others came to long ago, I just think it was too little to late. Now I'm just wondering why it took me one minute and him 20 years.

2. This kind of goes along with #1. Obama associates himself with radical people who have questionable values such as Wright, Rezko, and Ayers. Now I know one of his supporters will come back and say guilty by association is wrong, but however right or wrong it is, people are often judged by the company they keep. That is just a fact of life. I mean there is reasoning behind old cliches such as birds of a feather flock together, and if you lie with dogs, you get fleas. You tend to have more in common with your friends than not in common. Guilty by association is based on the fact that people tend to associate with others who share most of their views. That is human nature.

I mean why would he befriend these types of people in the first place??? Obama chose to befriend them, and at some point, your choices have to stop being called mistakes and become a pattern. His judgment is being brought into question because of his friendships and associations with these people. I mean say if a former drug addict continued to associate with drug addicts, wouldn't you question his judgment?

3. Let's not forget he lies aswell. Here are two examples.

First it was "My parents got together because of the Selma marches in 1965," even though Obama was born four years earlier in 1961.

Then it was "My father was on the Kennedy air flights from Kenya" even though his father came a year BEFORE the Kennedy air flights.

These lies are no where near as big as Hillary's Bosnia lie, but he is still lying, and this is coming from the supposed "candidate of change".

4. I absolutely can't stand his wife, Michelle. The problem with her is not that she is a woman who doesn't "know her place," but that she is a self-righteous, self-absorbed pity-monger who doesn't know her mouth is not the best place to put her foot. And that has nothing to do with her gender or her race. Idiots come with penises and they also come with vaginas, and they come in every color of the rainbow too. The comments she has made would be ludicrous regardless of who uttered them.

I also can't stand how she seems to believe that while she, a black woman, got ahead in life, not everybody else can. She was born in 1964, and she says that most American's lives have "gotten progressively worse since I was a little girl." Are you serious?? Since 1960, real per capita income has increased 143%, life expectancy has increased by 7 years, infant mortality has declined 74%, deaths from heart disease have been halved, childhood leukemia has stopped being a death sentence, depression has become a treatable disease, the number of woman earning a bachelor's degree has more than doubled.

5. I also can't stand his supporters. What I find confusing about them is that Obama's message is about hope, change, and peace, yet all his supporters do is spout hate towards people who aren't for him. I mean if you look at Hillary and McCain supporters, they mostly attack Obama whether it be a legitimate attack or a completely stupid one. The most they usually say about his supporters though is that they are like a cult, which I will admit, I've said myself. But now look at his supporters. They pretty much talk down to middle c_lass/blue collar voters who support Hillary by saying she is getting the uneducated voters. Heck, you should see some of the more extreme derogatory remarks on other websites they made about the people of WV and KY. His supporters also deem you as a racist if you don't support Obama. You are deemed a racist if you aren't going to vote for him. You are deemed a racist if you say something negative about him or his wife. You are deemed a racist if you bring up him and Wright. Here's an example.

When concering Wright, I found it hard to understand how the media and Obama's supporters praised him for defending Wright in his Philadelphia speech on race, but then turned right around and praised him again for condemning Wright for the same exact opinions. And the people who were livid by Wright's jarring and disparaging comments that spouted hate, have been deemed as racists by many of Obama's supporters, but when Obama said he was "outraged" by the disparaging comments, he's called brave. Something seems wrong about that to me. Why am I and others being deemed as racist for being outraged by Wright's words, but Obama is seen as brave?????? His supporters just make me not like him even more.

Waits for someone to say too long, didn't read, but that's my 2 cents. peaceBoG_

Well said my friend, well said:)

I really must know if the Fox News identity politics will ever end. Hannity has more to work with then all of this, he needs to give it a rest. I'm a conservative, and Obama is the last candidate I'd vote for, but this all needs to end. On fact, I'd say all three major party candidates should just drop out and let us start over with a few who may be competent. Of course, we're talking about politicians, so that may never happen.

I believe the contrary. When this man first entered the race, everyone saw him as the golden boy. He could do no wrong. Obama fanatics still think he can do no wrong. The truth needs to be spread about this man because him in office is very, very dangerous.

Obama would probably help our standing in the world, showing we don't continue to elect the same old white men. Get us the hell out of Iraq, work to some sort of health care solution, taxes aren't going to change wildly for 99% of the people here, he'll do what other good presidents have done and talk with friends and foes alike. We've sure accomplished alot with Iran, Cuba and North Korea over the last 8 years, so what if nothing comes of it at least freaking try. And experience is a not near as big an issue as people make it out to be.btaylor2404

If they judge us because we elect "old white men", then we shouldn't care about appeasing their racist, stupid standards.

Withdrawing suddenly from Iraq would be a disaster. He agreed until it was no longer politically popular. The next year, he flip flopped and changed his stance.

Socialized health care would be a disaster and I shouldn't be forced to pay for homeless crack addicts who get themselves hospitalized and care nothing about getting insurance.

Our foes in this day and age care nothing about negotiation. They want us dead. Our culture and very existance is an abomination to them. Trying to negotiate with them would be manipulated by them and used to enable themselves.

Accomplishing nothing is better than moving in an even worse direction which is what Obama would accomplish.

You're telling me that leadership experience isn't very important when talking about the most important job in the entire world? That's totally ridiculous. McDonalds wouldn't hire a cashier to be CEO.

[QUOTE="Trashface"]

Obama's campaign blatantly lies about him not reciting from the Quran while a former cla$$mate is witness to the recital.

smarb001

The sad thing is that he has to, otherwise every redneck religious nut is going to go, "I don't want a suspected muslim president, muslims scare me." Religious beliefs should definitely not influence the election of a president.:| What happened to religious equality?

When extremist Muslims want us dead along with Western culture in general, I think it would be naive to let a Muslim control the country. This is not racist or redneck, it's logical in the same way that a white man would be stupid to walk through Harlem at 3am.

[QUOTE="smarb001"][QUOTE="cametall"][QUOTE="KreamBeav"][QUOTE="cametall"][QUOTE="KreamBeav"][QUOTE="cametall"]

I'm curious as to whether Obama could get the typically liberal Jewish vote. What with his name and all.

There's a reason why Democrats may be concerned about his name, if the Jewish vote goes Republican (who is Lieberman's best friend?) it could cost him them the race.

SunofVich

As if the Jewish race is in any position to criticize people based on race! What hypocrisy!

Eh? I thought Judaism was a religion, not a race.

There is an ancestral relationship, but yes, you are correct- my bad, but do you have anything to contribute to this argument other than semantics?

Yeah, why/how are they hypocrites?

Judging based on race/religion? What are blacks doing this election then?

What are whites doing this election then?

LOL, I seen that on TV as well. West Virginians must think its still the 1900's. Oh and they believe he is Muslim and Muslims must be bad.

Thats right I am generalizing the entire state as a bunch of rascists just because of what a couple of people said on camera, what wanna fight about it:P

You kidding? Black voters are far more racist than white voters. %90 of black voters voted for Obama in the primary. I got no problem with him because of his race, it's because of all his warning signs. Also, it would be stupid to elect a Muslim to control our country when our most dangerous enemy are extremist Muslims. This is not racist, it's cautious. A white man being afraid to walk through Harlem at 3am would not be racist, it would be smart.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="Katafran"][QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="whipassmt"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="Junkie_man"][QUOTE="fanofazrienoch"]

mccain wants to lower your taxes and win in Iraq and help Iran and North Korea and other rogue states make the transition to democracy.

swizz-the-gamer

And he's going to do all that without talking to them?

World War II was about protecting our country and citizens. No war should ever be about spreading democracy. Nor do I believe or accept that as a reason for our war with Iraq. Do not think that governments ever take commiting soldiers to war lightly.

We went to war with Iraq because they supported and funded radical extremists. And to be quite frank, if we don't kill them in Iraq and Afghanistan, we'll be killing them in the streets of New York. I'd much rather kill them in Iraq.

With all that said, if democracy is a byproduct of war, then it is perhaps one of the few goods wars can do.

Please explain what's wrong with his post if it's so wrong.

Also explain how what he said is worse than your belief that "anyone who is not a Liberal is insane" and that "Conservatives are on a slippery slope to fascism." You never really explained yourself in the other topic, except with a nice "A free, liberal world." :roll:

Anyway, the main thing I find ridiculous about his statement is 'And to be quite frank, if we don't kill them in Iraq and Afghanistan, we'll be killing them in the streets of New York. I'd much rather kill them in Iraq.'

That statement isblatantlyfalse, no one has every claimed Iraq would invade America. Iraq invading America? Also, try not to use a smily in every single post it's very obnoxious.

He's talking about the terrorists that were being harbored in Iraq, and yes they were being harbored. You do know that issues such as gay marriage were meant to be handled by state governments, right? California voters voted no for gay marriage, but a judge legislated from the banch and overturned their votes. They were raped of their say.

You do know that liberals want more government through programs and socialization, right? Seems to me, you have this fantasy of a society based on borderline anarchy. It would never work.

Liberals pander to the lower cla$$ and discourage individualism. They believe people who earn more money should be forced to give money to people that don't deserve it. If a man works hard to finish college after 6 years, why should he have to pay for the welfare check of some crackhead who doesn't want to work at McDonalds, yet keeps having babies? Socialism is the antithesis of what this country was built on.

[QUOTE="SunofVich"][QUOTE="smarb001"][QUOTE="cametall"][QUOTE="KreamBeav"][QUOTE="cametall"][QUOTE="KreamBeav"][QUOTE="cametall"]

I'm curious as to whether Obama could get the typically liberal Jewish vote. What with his name and all.

There's a reason why Democrats may be concerned about his name, if the Jewish vote goes Republican (who is Lieberman's best friend?) it could cost him them the race.

Trashface

As if the Jewish race is in any position to criticize people based on race! What hypocrisy!

Eh? I thought Judaism was a religion, not a race.

There is an ancestral relationship, but yes, you are correct- my bad, but do you have anything to contribute to this argument other than semantics?

Yeah, why/how are they hypocrites?

Judging based on race/religion? What are blacks doing this election then?

What are whites doing this election then?

LOL, I seen that on TV as well. West Virginians must think its still the 1900's. Oh and they believe he is Muslim and Muslims must be bad.

Thats right I am generalizing the entire state as a bunch of rascists just because of what a couple of people said on camera, what wanna fight about it:P

You kidding? Black voters are far more racist than white voters. %90 of black voters voted for Obama in the primary. I got no problem with him because of his race, it's because of all his warning signs. Also, it would be stupid to elect a Muslim to control our country when our most dangerous enemy are extremist Muslims. This is not racist, it's cautious. A white man being afraid to walk through Harlem at 3am would not be racist, it would be smart.

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="Katafran"][QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="whipassmt"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="Junkie_man"][QUOTE="fanofazrienoch"]

mccain wants to lower your taxes and win in Iraq and help Iran and North Korea and other rogue states make the transition to democracy.

Trashface

And he's going to do all that without talking to them?

World War II was about protecting our country and citizens. No war should ever be about spreading democracy. Nor do I believe or accept that as a reason for our war with Iraq. Do not think that governments ever take commiting soldiers to war lightly.

We went to war with Iraq because they supported and funded radical extremists. And to be quite frank, if we don't kill them in Iraq and Afghanistan, we'll be killing them in the streets of New York. I'd much rather kill them in Iraq.

With all that said, if democracy is a byproduct of war, then it is perhaps one of the few goods wars can do.

Please explain what's wrong with his post if it's so wrong.

Also explain how what he said is worse than your belief that "anyone who is not a Liberal is insane" and that "Conservatives are on a slippery slope to fascism." You never really explained yourself in the other topic, except with a nice "A free, liberal world." :roll:

Anyway, the main thing I find ridiculous about his statement is 'And to be quite frank, if we don't kill them in Iraq and Afghanistan, we'll be killing them in the streets of New York. I'd much rather kill them in Iraq.'

That statement isblatantlyfalse, no one has every claimed Iraq would invade America. Iraq invading America? Also, try not to use a smily in every single post it's very obnoxious.

He's talking about the terrorists that were being harbored in Iraq, and yes they were being harbored. You do know that issues such as gay marriage were meant to be handled by state governments, right? California voters voted no for gay marriage, but a judge legislated from the banch and overturned their votes. They were raped of their say.

You do know that liberals want more government through programs and socialization, right? Seems to me, you have this fantasy of a society based on borderline anarchy. It would never work.

Liberals pander to the lower cla$$ and discourage individualism. They believe people who earn more money should be forced to give money to people that don't deserve it. If a man works hard to finish college after 6 years, why should he have to pay for the welfare check of some crackhead who doesn't want to work at McDonalds, yet keeps having babies? Socialism is the antithesis of what this country was built on.

Right now, liberals tend to want to cut back on miliatary spending and increase spending on healthcare, if handled properly, it will just end with benefits. and no duh liberals help the middle and lower **** it's suppost to be, at least in part, a party for blue collar workers. and I don't think you understand how welfare works based upon what you've said.

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Wait, your suggesting the 90,000 ish dead (there lives are over they will never think or breath or kiss another human again) civilians were planning on launching 'WMD's' at new york? All this war has done is made the Arabic world hate the western world even more.Katafran

No, I'm not suggesting that at all. Perhaps you should read a bit closer. I am suggesting that we, as a nation, would have faced what Israel is going through (bombings and the like). I was acknowleding another posters comment about WMDs.

90,000 dead is awful. No one is saying otherwise.

Or do you mean they will fire rockets from Iraq? Because that is pretty ridiculous, and if they did that would be grounds for a war. But claiming that had WMD's then realising they didn't, and changing the reason to harbouring terrorists is not at all grounds for war.

He's talking about the terrorists that were being harbored in Iraq, and yes they were being harbored. You do know that issues such as gay marriage were meant to be handled by state governments, right? California voters voted no for gay marriage, but a judge legislated from the banch and overturned their votes. They were raped of their say.

You do know that liberals want more government through programs and socialization, right? Seems to me, you have this fantasy of a society based on borderline anarchy. It would never work.

Liberals pander to the lower cla$$ and discourage individualism. They believe people who earn more money should be forced to give money to people that don't deserve it. If a man works hard to finish college after 6 years, why should he have to pay for the welfare check of some crackhead who doesn't want to work at McDonalds, yet keeps having babies? Socialism is the antithesis of what this country was built on.

Trashface

Thank you. You and I seem to be of a like mind. And I'm still a lady.

And to swizz the gamer, try to use more spaces in your posts. The lack thereof is getting obnoxious.

[QUOTE="Xx_CYC756_xX"]He'll spend money we don't have.swizz-the-gamer

[QUOTE="Katafran"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Wait, your suggesting the 90,000 ish dead (there lives are over they will never think or breath or kiss another human again) civilians were planning on launching 'WMD's' at new york? All this war has done is made the Arabic world hate the western world even more.swizz-the-gamer

No, I'm not suggesting that at all. Perhaps you should read a bit closer. I am suggesting that we, as a nation, would have faced what Israel is going through (bombings and the like). I was acknowleding another posters comment about WMDs.

90,000 dead is awful. No one is saying otherwise.

Or do you mean they will fire rockets from Iraq? Because that is pretty ridiculous, and if they did that would be grounds for a war. But claiming that had WMD's then realising they didn't, and changing the reason to harbouring terrorists is not at all grounds for war.

Well, I was more talking about suicide bombers working from within.

And there's a reason we haven't had a domestic attack since 9/11. The terrorists didn't just suddenly repent.

[QUOTE="Trashface"]

He's talking about the terrorists that were being harbored in Iraq, and yes they were being harbored. You do know that issues such as gay marriage were meant to be handled by state governments, right? California voters voted no for gay marriage, but a judge legislated from the banch and overturned their votes. They were raped of their say.

You do know that liberals want more government through programs and socialization, right? Seems to me, you have this fantasy of a society based on borderline anarchy. It would never work.

Liberals pander to the lower cla$$ and discourage individualism. They believe people who earn more money should be forced to give money to people that don't deserve it. If a man works hard to finish college after 6 years, why should he have to pay for the welfare check of some crackhead who doesn't want to work at McDonalds, yet keeps having babies? Socialism is the antithesis of what this country was built on.

Katafran

Thank you. You and I seem to be of a like mind. And I'm still a lady.

And to swizz the gamer, try to use more spaces in your posts. The lack thereof is getting obnoxious.

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="Katafran"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Wait, your suggesting the 90,000 ish dead (there lives are over they will never think or breath or kiss another human again) civilians were planning on launching 'WMD's' at new york? All this war has done is made the Arabic world hate the western world even more.Katafran

No, I'm not suggesting that at all. Perhaps you should read a bit closer. I am suggesting that we, as a nation, would have faced what Israel is going through (bombings and the like). I was acknowleding another posters comment about WMDs.

90,000 dead is awful. No one is saying otherwise.

Or do you mean they will fire rockets from Iraq? Because that is pretty ridiculous, and if they did that would be grounds for a war. But claiming that had WMD's then realising they didn't, and changing the reason to harbouring terrorists is not at all grounds for war.

Well, I was more talking about suicide bombers working from within.

And there's a reason we haven't had a domestic attack since 9/11. The terrorists didn't just suddenly repent.

[QUOTE="Katafran"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="Katafran"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Wait, your suggesting the 90,000 ish dead (there lives are over they will never think or breath or kiss another human again) civilians were planning on launching 'WMD's' at new york? All this war has done is made the Arabic world hate the western world even more.swizz-the-gamer

No, I'm not suggesting that at all. Perhaps you should read a bit closer. I am suggesting that we, as a nation, would have faced what Israel is going through (bombings and the like). I was acknowleding another posters comment about WMDs.

90,000 dead is awful. No one is saying otherwise.

Or do you mean they will fire rockets from Iraq? Because that is pretty ridiculous, and if they did that would be grounds for a war. But claiming that had WMD's then realising they didn't, and changing the reason to harbouring terrorists is not at all grounds for war.

Well, I was more talking about suicide bombers working from within.

And there's a reason we haven't had a domestic attack since 9/11. The terrorists didn't just suddenly repent.

Uhm...no. Not at all. Which is why the war must continue. Thanks for helping me out there.

Oh, and we did have terrorist attacks before. Bill Ayers commited some himself. Of course, now that he and Obama are good friends, we should forgive him.

I feel like we're debating rather well, but it seems as if you are purposely trying to misconstrue what I am saying. It's making me sad.

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="Katafran"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="Katafran"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Wait, your suggesting the 90,000 ish dead (there lives are over they will never think or breath or kiss another human again) civilians were planning on launching 'WMD's' at new york? All this war has done is made the Arabic world hate the western world even more.Katafran

No, I'm not suggesting that at all. Perhaps you should read a bit closer. I am suggesting that we, as a nation, would have faced what Israel is going through (bombings and the like). I was acknowleding another posters comment about WMDs.

90,000 dead is awful. No one is saying otherwise.

Or do you mean they will fire rockets from Iraq? Because that is pretty ridiculous, and if they did that would be grounds for a war. But claiming that had WMD's then realising they didn't, and changing the reason to harbouring terrorists is not at all grounds for war.

Well, I was more talking about suicide bombers working from within.

And there's a reason we haven't had a domestic attack since 9/11. The terrorists didn't just suddenly repent.

Uhm...no. Not at all. Which is why the war must continue. Thanks for helping me out there.

Please show me a shred of evidence to suggest there where terrorists intending to attack America killed in the Iraq war.swizz-the-gamer

Here's one outside of Baghdad."

Here's one that was run by the former regime..

And it sounds as if you are suggesting that there are no terrorists in Iraq who wish(or wished before the war) America or the western world harm. Is that true?

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"] Please show me a shred of evidence to suggest there where terrorists intending to attack America killed in the Iraq war.Katafran

Here's one outside of Baghdad."

Here's one that was run by the former regime..

And it sounds as if you are suggesting that there are no terrorists in Iraq who wish(or wished before the war) America or the western world harm. Is that true?

There weren't any before we were there.

[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="SunofVich"][QUOTE="smarb001"][QUOTE="cametall"][QUOTE="KreamBeav"][QUOTE="cametall"][QUOTE="KreamBeav"][QUOTE="cametall"]

I'm curious as to whether Obama could get the typically liberal Jewish vote. What with his name and all.

There's a reason why Democrats may be concerned about his name, if the Jewish vote goes Republican (who is Lieberman's best friend?) it could cost him them the race.

yoshi-lnex

As if the Jewish race is in any position to criticize people based on race! What hypocrisy!

Eh? I thought Judaism was a religion, not a race.

There is an ancestral relationship, but yes, you are correct- my bad, but do you have anything to contribute to this argument other than semantics?

Yeah, why/how are they hypocrites?

Judging based on race/religion? What are blacks doing this election then?

What are whites doing this election then?

LOL, I seen that on TV as well. West Virginians must think its still the 1900's. Oh and they believe he is Muslim and Muslims must be bad.

Thats right I am generalizing the entire state as a bunch of rascists just because of what a couple of people said on camera, what wanna fight about it:P

You kidding? Black voters are far more racist than white voters. %90 of black voters voted for Obama in the primary. I got no problem with him because of his race, it's because of all his warning signs. Also, it would be stupid to elect a Muslim to control our country when our most dangerous enemy are extremist Muslims. This is not racist, it's cautious. A white man being afraid to walk through Harlem at 3am would not be racist, it would be smart.

His views on Christianity are not involved at all. Also, I'm suspicious of him because of his campaign's blatant lying about his Muslim past. Go to the link I posted earlier.

[QUOTE="Katafran"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"] Please show me a shred of evidence to suggest there where terrorists intending to attack America killed in the Iraq war.Engrish_Major

Here's one outside of Baghdad."

Here's one that was run by the former regime..

And it sounds as if you are suggesting that there are no terrorists in Iraq who wish(or wished before the war) America or the western world harm. Is that true?

There weren't any before we were there.

Yes there were. An Al Queda leader stayed in an Iraqi hospital.

[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="Katafran"][QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="whipassmt"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="Junkie_man"][QUOTE="fanofazrienoch"]

mccain wants to lower your taxes and win in Iraq and help Iran and North Korea and other rogue states make the transition to democracy.

yoshi-lnex

And he's going to do all that without talking to them?

World War II was about protecting our country and citizens. No war should ever be about spreading democracy. Nor do I believe or accept that as a reason for our war with Iraq. Do not think that governments ever take commiting soldiers to war lightly.

We went to war with Iraq because they supported and funded radical extremists. And to be quite frank, if we don't kill them in Iraq and Afghanistan, we'll be killing them in the streets of New York. I'd much rather kill them in Iraq.

With all that said, if democracy is a byproduct of war, then it is perhaps one of the few goods wars can do.

Please explain what's wrong with his post if it's so wrong.

Also explain how what he said is worse than your belief that "anyone who is not a Liberal is insane" and that "Conservatives are on a slippery slope to fascism." You never really explained yourself in the other topic, except with a nice "A free, liberal world." :roll:

Anyway, the main thing I find ridiculous about his statement is 'And to be quite frank, if we don't kill them in Iraq and Afghanistan, we'll be killing them in the streets of New York. I'd much rather kill them in Iraq.'

That statement isblatantlyfalse, no one has every claimed Iraq would invade America. Iraq invading America? Also, try not to use a smily in every single post it's very obnoxious.

He's talking about the terrorists that were being harbored in Iraq, and yes they were being harbored. You do know that issues such as gay marriage were meant to be handled by state governments, right? California voters voted no for gay marriage, but a judge legislated from the banch and overturned their votes. They were raped of their say.

You do know that liberals want more government through programs and socialization, right? Seems to me, you have this fantasy of a society based on borderline anarchy. It would never work.

Liberals pander to the lower cla$$ and discourage individualism. They believe people who earn more money should be forced to give money to people that don't deserve it. If a man works hard to finish college after 6 years, why should he have to pay for the welfare check of some crackhead who doesn't want to work at McDonalds, yet keeps having babies? Socialism is the antithesis of what this country was built on.

Right now, liberals tend to want to cut back on miliatary spending and increase spending on healthcare, if handled properly, it will just end with benefits. and no duh liberals help the middle and lower **** it's suppost to be, at least in part, a party for blue collar workers. and I don't think you understand how welfare works based upon what you've said.

They do not help middle and lower Cla$$ they pander to them. They make them think they are entitled to what people who earn more have without working for it. ODB (famous rapper) picked up his welfare check in a limo. If there was a citizen's vote, then yes whatever their vote was should have been upheld. Social issues were meant to be left to the state. It's why we have individual states.

They do not help middle and lower Cla$$ they pander to them. They make them think they are entitled to what people who earn more have without working for it. ODB (famous rapper) picked up his welfare check in a limo. If there was a citizen's vote, then yes whatever their vote was should have been upheld. Social issues were meant to be left to the state. It's why we have individual states.

Trashface

Also, who liberals claim to be wealthy is proposterous. The average middle of middle class American families are now being called wealthy! It's absurd!

And one thing I love about privitized medicine? I can call and have a doctor's appointment the very same day.

[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="SunofVich"][QUOTE="smarb001"][QUOTE="cametall"][QUOTE="KreamBeav"][QUOTE="cametall"][QUOTE="KreamBeav"][QUOTE="cametall"]

I'm curious as to whether Obama could get the typically liberal Jewish vote. What with his name and all.

There's a reason why Democrats may be concerned about his name, if the Jewish vote goes Republican (who is Lieberman's best friend?) it could cost him them the race.

yoshi-lnex

As if the Jewish race is in any position to criticize people based on race! What hypocrisy!

Eh? I thought Judaism was a religion, not a race.

There is an ancestral relationship, but yes, you are correct- my bad, but do you have anything to contribute to this argument other than semantics?

Yeah, why/how are they hypocrites?

Judging based on race/religion? What are blacks doing this election then?

What are whites doing this election then?

LOL, I seen that on TV as well. West Virginians must think its still the 1900's. Oh and they believe he is Muslim and Muslims must be bad.

Thats right I am generalizing the entire state as a bunch of rascists just because of what a couple of people said on camera, what wanna fight about it:P

You kidding? Black voters are far more racist than white voters. %90 of black voters voted for Obama in the primary. I got no problem with him because of his race, it's because of all his warning signs. Also, it would be stupid to elect a Muslim to control our country when our most dangerous enemy are extremist Muslims. This is not racist, it's cautious. A white man being afraid to walk through Harlem at 3am would not be racist, it would be smart.

I didn't state he was a Muslim. I was responding to Americans being paranoid about a Muslim President. His Christian sincerity is very much in question and could easily be a front for political reasons especially when his campaign blatantly lies about his past.

[QUOTE="Trashface"]

They do not help middle and lower Cla$$ they pander to them. They make them think they are entitled to what people who earn more have without working for it. ODB (famous rapper) picked up his welfare check in a limo. If there was a citizen's vote, then yes whatever their vote was should have been upheld. Social issues were meant to be left to the state. It's why we have individual states.

Katafran

Also, who liberals claim to be wealthy is proposterous. The average middle of middle class American families are now being called wealthy! It's absurd!

And one thing I love about privitized medicine? I can call and have a doctor's appointment the very same day.

Also, you have total control of where you go and what Doctor treats you.

There weren't any before we were there.Engrish_Major

If we are to blame, then we should stay and help fight them, no?

Also, you have total control of where you go and what Doctor treats you.

Trashface

We can't forget the whole second opinion opinion on serious conditions.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]There weren't any before we were there.pseudodog07

If we are to blame, then we should stay and help fight them, no?

I think(hope) that they were being sarcastic.

[QUOTE="Trashface"]

Also, you have total control of where you go and what Doctor treats you.

Katafran

We can't forget the whole second opinion opinion on serious conditions.

[QUOTE="Trashface"]

Also, you have total control of where you go and what Doctor treats you.

Katafran

We can't forget the whole second opinion opinion on serious conditions.

You post literally had a second opinion in it. Did you do that on purpose? Don't lie.

[QUOTE="Trashface"]

They do not help middle and lower Cla$$ they pander to them. They make them think they are entitled to what people who earn more have without working for it. ODB (famous rapper) picked up his welfare check in a limo. If there was a citizen's vote, then yes whatever their vote was should have been upheld. Social issues were meant to be left to the state. It's why we have individual states.

Katafran

Also, who liberals claim to be wealthy is proposterous. The average middle of middle class American families are now being called wealthy! It's absurd!

And one thing I love about privitized medicine? I can call and have a doctor's appointment the very same day.

[QUOTE="Katafran"][QUOTE="Trashface"]

They do not help middle and lower Cla$$ they pander to them. They make them think they are entitled to what people who earn more have without working for it. ODB (famous rapper) picked up his welfare check in a limo. If there was a citizen's vote, then yes whatever their vote was should have been upheld. Social issues were meant to be left to the state. It's why we have individual states.

swizz-the-gamer

Also, who liberals claim to be wealthy is proposterous. The average middle of middle class American families are now being called wealthy! It's absurd!

And one thing I love about privitized medicine? I can call and have a doctor's appointment the very same day.

Do you mean a Dentist? Aren't they very fast because no one goes to them? Sorry

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"] Please show me a shred of evidence to suggest there where terrorists intending to attack America killed in the Iraq war.Katafran

Here's one outside of Baghdad."

Here's one that was run by the former regime..

And it sounds as if you are suggesting that there are no terrorists in Iraq who wish(or wished before the war) America or the western world harm. Is that true?

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="Katafran"][QUOTE="Trashface"]

They do not help middle and lower Cla$$ they pander to them. They make them think they are entitled to what people who earn more have without working for it. ODB (famous rapper) picked up his welfare check in a limo. If there was a citizen's vote, then yes whatever their vote was should have been upheld. Social issues were meant to be left to the state. It's why we have individual states.

Trashface

Also, who liberals claim to be wealthy is proposterous. The average middle of middle class American families are now being called wealthy! It's absurd!

And one thing I love about privitized medicine? I can call and have a doctor's appointment the very same day.

Do you mean a Dentist? Aren't they very fast because no one goes to them? Sorry

[QUOTE="Xx_CYC756_xX"]He'll spend money we don't have.swizz-the-gamer

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="Xx_CYC756_xX"]He'll spend money we don't have.Xx_CYC756_xX

[QUOTE="Xx_CYC756_xX"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="Xx_CYC756_xX"]He'll spend money we don't have.swizz-the-gamer

He was a black transvestite who had one hit song and a talk show.