God - A creation of human insecurity?

Is religion just a way of humans telling themselves that there is life after death? Do they only practice because they fear the endless void that could be death?

Probably.

Probably.

Teenaged

No, at least those of my religion don't...then again...who wants to think of their religion as pointless...but then again again..there are proofs if one digs....but then again again again...people just dismiss the proofs as desperate attempts for believers to actually have something to believe in...the plot grows thicker...:|

I disagree. Believing in God requires faith rather than visual or physical proof. Just because we cannot see God, doesn't mean that he is imaginary.

No, at least those of my religion don't...then again...who wants to think of their religion as pointless...but then again again..there are proofs if one digs....but then again again again...people just dismiss the proofs as desperate attempts for believers to actually have something to believe in...the plot grows thicker...:|

Xx_Hopeless_xX

You cant just exclude all the people of your religion from that scenario just because you are part of it.

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No, at least those of my religion don't...then again...who wants to think of their religion as pointless...but then again again..there are proofs if one digs....but then again again again...people just dismiss the proofs as desperate attempts for believers to actually have something to believe in...the plot grows thicker...:|

Teenaged

You cant just exclude all the people of your religion from that scenario just because you are part of it.

Sorry, those that i interact with..better?..

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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

No, at least those of my religion don't...then again...who wants to think of their religion as pointless...but then again again..there are proofs if one digs....but then again again again...people just dismiss the proofs as desperate attempts for believers to actually have something to believe in...the plot grows thicker...:|

Xx_Hopeless_xX

You cant just exclude all the people of your religion from that scenario just because you are part of it.

Sorry, those that i interact with..better?..

Atheism - A creation of human idiocracy?

The implication that humans created G-d is enough to warrant my disagreement. But to say that we want to follow and have faith in G-d out of insecurity is something I could probably agree with.

Atheism - A creation of human idiocracy?

CHOASXIII

Atheism - A creation of human idiocracy?

CHOASXIII

Maybe.

But it's not ironic that I feel secure with Him.

Atheism - A creation of human idiocracy?

CHOASXIII

Win

Part of me believes that insecurity is a reason why some people believe in a higher power. It isn't the only reason however.

No, at least those of my religion don't...then again...who wants to think of their religion as pointless...but then again again..there are proofs if one digs....but then again again again...people just dismiss the proofs as desperate attempts for believers to actually have something to believe in...the plot grows thicker...:|

Xx_Hopeless_xX

proof?? LOL. It's called blind faith. There is no SCIENCE behind religion to PROVE anything. It's believing something that other people tell you, and somebody else told them, etc etc, and somebody a LONG time ago wrote in a book (in a different language, but trust the translation...) and the original author aparently said that he actually heard God say it. But if any of US say we hear a voice, we are considered crazy or something

....... i dunno.... I agree that in many cases people want the easy answers. "I'm not doing that, because God says not to" or "I dont know how the world was made, so I'll just believe God did it with magic." "This book written thousands of years ago says it's true, so it must be." However, I am a bit skeptical to say the least.

But I am not too sure about the existance of heaven or hell, but I fear being alive on a machine or living in pain more than actual death. Everyone dies eventually, but if you go to heaven or not is not dependent on your belief. You'll just find out when it happens. If you believe you can fly, do you fly? NO, all people must follow the laws of physics, just like death. We all die, and we all will see what happens afterwards. If anyone tells you otherwise, they are just guessing. The "proof" is attempted proof to prove something they believe. There is NO proof that God or Heaven exists. some people dont require proof because they have faith. Thats how i see it.

How does the teachings of hell and impossible obedience help those with security issues? I don't worship Christ because I fear death. I worship Christ because I love Christ and am grateful for his grace.mindstorm

Perhaps people are more relieved when there is at least something filling in the "void" of knowledge than just sticking with that "void".

people created the idea of God for people who need something to believe in... like the band Poison.

they needed something to believe in.

it's not a bad concept.

it helps many people.

a lot of people NEED faith every day of their lives.

it's impossible to know everything.

leave that to the big electron.

"whoa... whoa... whoa..."

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No, at least those of my religion don't...then again...who wants to think of their religion as pointless...but then again again..there are proofs if one digs....but then again again again...people just dismiss the proofs as desperate attempts for believers to actually have something to believe in...the plot grows thicker...:|

Talldude80

proof?? LOL. It's called blind faith. There is no SCIENCE behind religion to PROVE anything. It's believing something that other people tell you, and somebody else told them, etc etc, and somebody a LONG time ago wrote in a book (in a different language, but trust the translation...) and the original author aparently said that he actually heard God say it. But if any of US say we hear a voice, we are considered crazy or something

....... i dunno.... I agree that in many cases people want the easy answers. "I'm not doing that, because God says not to" or "I dont know how the world was made, so I'll just believe God did it with magic." "This book written thousands of years ago says it's true, so it must be." However, I am a bit skeptical to say the least.

But I am not too sure about the existance of heaven or hell, but I fear being alive on a machine or living in pain more than actual death. Everyone dies eventually, but if you go to heaven or not is not dependent on your belief. You'll just find out when it happens. If you believe you can fly, do you fly? NO, all people must follow the laws of physics, just like death. We all die, and we all will see what happens afterwards. If anyone tells you otherwise, they are just guessing. The "proof" is attempted proof to prove something they believe. There is NO proof that God or Heaven exists. some people dont require proof because they have faith. Thats how i see it.

It's not blind faith..as i said in another thread..if you look into it..there are miracles attributed with Christianity...science can't explain everything...

God created man as he was insecure about his lack of social life.markop2003

"Dear Me, Heaven is boring..."

Atheism - A creation of human idiocracy?

CHOASXIII

It's impossible to deny that the concept of God was created to explain things otherwise unexplainable and give an answer to what happens after death. Whether it is more than that today is debatable, but this was absolutely the original idea, subconsciously or not...

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]How does the teachings of hell and impossible obedience help those with security issues? I don't worship Christ because I fear death. I worship Christ because I love Christ and am grateful for his grace.Teenaged

Perhaps people are more relieved when there is at least something filling in the "void" of knowledge than just sticking with that "void".

there are proofs if one digs....but then again again again...people just dismiss the proofs as desperate attempts for believers to actually have something to believe in...the plot grows thicker...:|

Xx_Hopeless_xX

I'd love to hear about this proof.

The first form of government was theocracy, i.e. religion based.

People were taxed (which is now called "tithing") and massive wars were started, all in the name of something produced by blind faith.

I don't have a problem with people believing in faeries, the easter bunny, santa, god, jesus, etc... Just stay out of politics, which, lets be honest, is massively funded by religious institutions. It would also be nice if I didn't have to worry about dying because one guy doesn't believe in some other guys version of a fictitious, all knowing, all seeing, yet absent and narcissistic being.

Scientists have string theory. Can we prove all of these extra dimensions? No, that's why it is a theory. Are wars started and political agendas pushed on us because of a scientific majority believing in this theory? No.

I'd probably believe in God if there wasn't such an historical reason not to. (let that swirl around a bit).

I don't know you, and I don't know what you believe. I just know that it's your choice and you have every right to believe what you want. I just don't want to believe it with you. People shouldn't have to be made to look like morons when they don't believe in something. This is why I reject religion.

[QUOTE="markop2003"]God created man as he was insecure about his lack of social life.Teenaged

"Dear Me, Heaven is boring..."

God created man as he was insecure about his lack of social life.markop2003

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

there are proofs if one digs....but then again again again...people just dismiss the proofs as desperate attempts for believers to actually have something to believe in...the plot grows thicker...:|

PhysicsLCP

I'd love to hear about this proof.

The first form of government was theocracy, i.e. religion based.

People were taxed (which is now called "tithing") and massive wars were started, all in the name of something produced by blind faith.

I don't have a problem with people believing in faeries, the easter bunny, santa, god, jesus, etc... Just stay out of politics, which, lets be honest, is massively funded by religious institutions. It would also be nice if I didn't have to worry about dying because one guy doesn't believe in some other guys version of a fictitious, all knowing, all seeing, yet absent and narcissistic being.

Scientists have string theory. Can we prove all of these extra dimensions? No, that's why it is a theory. Are wars started and political agendas pushed on us because of a scientific majority believing in this theory? No.

I'd probably believe in God if there wasn't such an historical reason not to. (let that swirl around a bit).

I don't know you, and I don't know what you believe. I just know that it's your choice and you have every right to believe what you want. I just don't want to believe it with you. People shouldn't have to be made to look like morons when they don't believe in something. This is why I reject religion.

you sir, are a prophet.

like Jesus.

or Joseph Smith.

(:

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]How does the teachings of hell and impossible obedience help those with security issues? I don't worship Christ because I fear death. I worship Christ because I love Christ and am grateful for his grace.mindstorm

Perhaps people are more relieved when there is at least something filling in the "void" of knowledge than just sticking with that "void".

One could argue that that idiosyncrasy of ours is what makes us excell and advance. Our need to be better. Perhaps, religions that "put down" humanity was just a motivation to do better; "better" as defined by each cultural and historical "frame".

Also what if humans have an inherent tendency to want to control their actions? Actually thats not a "what if". We do have a super-ego after all controlling our ego. Perhaps then religion is a self-regulation construct.

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

there are proofs if one digs....but then again again again...people just dismiss the proofs as desperate attempts for believers to actually have something to believe in...the plot grows thicker...:|

PhysicsLCP

I'd love to hear about this proof.

The first form of government was theocracy, i.e. religion based.

People were taxed (which is now called "tithing") and massive wars were started, all in the name of something produced by blind faith.

I don't have a problem with people believing in faeries, the easter bunny, santa, god, jesus, etc... Just stay out of politics, which, lets be honest, is massively funded by religious institutions. It would also be nice if I didn't have to worry about dying because one guy doesn't believe in some other guys version of a fictitious, all knowing, all seeing, yet absent and narcissistic being.

Scientists have string theory. Can we prove all of these extra dimensions? No, that's why it is a theory. Are wars started and political agendas pushed on us because of a scientific majority believing in this theory? No.

I'd probably believe in God if there wasn't such an historical reason not to. (let that swirl around a bit).

I don't know you, and I don't know what you believe. I just know that it's your choice and you have every right to believe what you want. I just don't want to believe it with you. People shouldn't have to be made to look like morons when they don't believe in something. This is why I reject religion.

Maybe if I write a book about machine creating the Universe then people will worship it in 2000 yearsLiftedHeadshot

"Today's Gospel reading comes from the Book of Skynet..."

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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

there are proofs if one digs....but then again again again...people just dismiss the proofs as desperate attempts for believers to actually have something to believe in...the plot grows thicker...:|

Symphonycometh

I'd love to hear about this proof.

The first form of government was theocracy, i.e. religion based.

People were taxed (which is now called "tithing") and massive wars were started, all in the name of something produced by blind faith.

I don't have a problem with people believing in faeries, the easter bunny, santa, god, jesus, etc... Just stay out of politics, which, lets be honest, is massively funded by religious institutions. It would also be nice if I didn't have to worry about dying because one guy doesn't believe in some other guys version of a fictitious, all knowing, all seeing, yet absent and narcissistic being.

Scientists have string theory. Can we prove all of these extra dimensions? No, that's why it is a theory. Are wars started and political agendas pushed on us because of a scientific majority believing in this theory? No.

I'd probably believe in God if there wasn't such an historical reason not to. (let that swirl around a bit).

I don't know you, and I don't know what you believe. I just know that it's your choice and you have every right to believe what you want. I just don't want to believe it with you. People shouldn't have to be made to look like morons when they don't believe in something. This is why I reject religion.

what truth is that...?

Maybe if I write a book about machine creating the Universe then people will worship it in 2000 yearsLiftedHeadshot

[QUOTE="Symphonycometh"][QUOTE="PhysicsLCP"]

I'd love to hear about this proof.

The first form of government was theocracy, i.e. religion based.

People were taxed (which is now called "tithing") and massive wars were started, all in the name of something produced by blind faith.

I don't have a problem with people believing in faeries, the easter bunny, santa, god, jesus, etc... Just stay out of politics, which, lets be honest, is massively funded by religious institutions. It would also be nice if I didn't have to worry about dying because one guy doesn't believe in some other guys version of a fictitious, all knowing, all seeing, yet absent and narcissistic being.

Scientists have string theory. Can we prove all of these extra dimensions? No, that's why it is a theory. Are wars started and political agendas pushed on us because of a scientific majority believing in this theory? No.

I'd probably believe in God if there wasn't such an historical reason not to. (let that swirl around a bit).

I don't know you, and I don't know what you believe. I just know that it's your choice and you have every right to believe what you want. I just don't want to believe it with you. People shouldn't have to be made to look like morons when they don't believe in something. This is why I reject religion.

no_more_fayth

what truth is that...?

Yeah, exactly. I hear these "you're missing the easy truth" retorts all the time. I'd really like to know what I'm missing. Also, using the argument that science over-complicates things is pretty damaging to ones image if they want to be taken seriously. I read that as "Math is really hard, therefore it is wrong." That makes me sad. :(

people create legends and myths to explain things that... they CAN'T explain.

people found fossils.

they couldn't decipher what that creature was.

so they created monsters.

like dragons and cyclopses.

remember how the sun went around the earth?

and the earth was flat?

... why?

because people didn't know.

so they created legends.

[QUOTE="markop2003"]God created man as he was insecure about his lack of social life.mindstorm

people create legends and myths to explain things that... they CAN'T explain.

people found fossils.

they couldn't decipher what that creature was.

so they created monsters.

like dragons and cyclopses.

remember how the sun went around the earth?

and the earth was flat?

... why?

because people didn't know.

so they created legends.

no_more_fayth

What if, crudely put, humans have an inferiority complex?

One could argue that that idiosyncrasy of ours is what makes us excell and advance. Our need to be better. Perhaps, religions that "put down" humanity was just a motivation to do better; "better" as defined by each cultural and historical "frame".

Also what if humans have an inherent tendency to want to control their actions? Actually thats not a "what if". We do have a super-ego after all controlling our ego. Perhaps then religion is a self-regulation construct.

Teenaged

Christianity holds an interesting stance - we were created in the perfect image of God but have fallen into sin. Through Christ's power, not our own, we can be made to be how we once were. Christianity's stance is in stark contrast with many beliefs.

We do not seek self-governance like atheism (but are governed by an all-powerful God). We do not find inner power like Buddhism (any inner power is the Holy Spirit's power, not our own). We do not become gods ourselves like Mormonism (there is but one God worthy of praise). Etc. etc. Our salvation is not of our own doing unlike every other belief out there.

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people create legends and myths to explain things that... they CAN'T explain.

people found fossils.

they couldn't decipher what that creature was.

so they created monsters.

like dragons and cyclopses.

remember how the sun went around the earth?

and the earth was flat?

... why?

because people didn't know.

so they created legends.

LiftedHeadshot

exactly!

exactly right.

[QUOTE="no_more_fayth"]

people create legends and myths to explain things that... they CAN'T explain.

people found fossils.

they couldn't decipher what that creature was.

so they created monsters.

like dragons and cyclopses.

remember how the sun went around the earth?

and the earth was flat?

... why?

because people didn't know.

so they created legends.

LiftedHeadshot

Oh yeah, like 3/4 of the population is going to drop their precious faith after it has been proven wrong...

people create legends and myths to explain things that... they CAN'T explain.

people found fossils.

they couldn't decipher what that creature was.

so they created monsters.

like dragons and cyclopses.

remember how the sun went around the earth?

and the earth was flat?

... why?

because people didn't know.

so they created legends.

no_more_fayth

Yes, and when enough people believe in legend or myth it becomes truth for some reason. It's actually quite funny, but before the idea was just too ridiculous to believe anymore, a very large number of people around the world believed in santa claus in one form or another. Imagine if people went door to door trying to get to you believe in that!