God - A creation of human insecurity?

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#202 _R34LiTY_
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[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"] Yeah - I believe nothing of the sort.jalexbrown

Same. Even if it's meant as code for something else, which some may try to argue, it's still to hocus pocus for me

But I am Jewish, and I do believe in G-d - it's just that what you said above doesn't apply to my beliefs. That doesn't altogether negate a belief in G-d; it just means you don't believe in Christianity.

Well you see I beleive in the idea of God, but not the version most people today that do believe in godsee God as.

Rather my belief is that "god" is just knowledge. Wisdom - knowledge/understanding & love. I believe once people figure this out that no religion can tell one from the other who is right or wrong, once people figure out that we are all connected together to each other & tothe earth and all the creepy things that crawl and all the flying things that fly, when we learn to love ourselves as one instead of ivdividuals, is when this Second Coming will happen, which IMO is nothing more than a global conciousness of harmony and loveall that jazz.

but maybe that's just as absurd....

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#203 deactivated-59d151f079814
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[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"] Yeah - I believe nothing of the sort.jalexbrown

Same. Even if it's meant as code for something else, which some may try to argue, it's still to hocus pocus for me

But I am Jewish, and I do believe in G-d - it's just that what you said above doesn't apply to my beliefs. That doesn't altogether negate a belief in G-d; it just means you don't believe in Christianity.

Depends entirely who your talking to..

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#204 dracula_16
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You're asking two different questions, but I'd say no to both of them. There are people who genuinely believe that there religion is correct. Simply ask an apologist if they would want to know whether their dogma is wrong. Pascal's wagerers are easy to spot.

I think the concept of God wasstarted to fill inthe gaps of knowledge. People who lived thousands of years ago had such little knowledge of the world around us compared to modern science.

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#205 Gunslinger_1988
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I disagree. Believing in God requires faith rather than visual or physical proof. Just because we cannot see God, doesn't mean that he is imaginary.

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#206 jalexbrown
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[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]

Same. Even if it's meant as code for something else, which some may try to argue, it's still to hocus pocus for me

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But I am Jewish, and I do believe in G-d - it's just that what you said above doesn't apply to my beliefs. That doesn't altogether negate a belief in G-d; it just means you don't believe in Christianity.

Depends entirely who your talking to..

I don't get what you mean. Do you mean that a lack of belief in Christianity, to some people, completely negates a belief in G-d?
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Most likley, we can't handle the sad truth after what happens after death, our mind can't comprehend as it has no referance. So we made up a figure/s that we semi comprehend to help deal with it.

And if one is real which one? theres thousands of religions, so what would be so special about yours?

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#208 jalexbrown
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Most likley, we can't handle the sad truth after what happens after death, our mind can't comprehend as it has no referance. So we made up a figure/s that we semi comprehend to help deal with it.

And if one is real which one? theres thousands of religions, so what would be so special about yours?

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While this doesn't answer your questions with regards to all religions, I can link at least one example of why Judaism is so special in my mind. Link
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#209 Ontain
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[QUOTE="Symphonycometh"]Or~ God is much more easier to grasp as an "origin" point creating nothing than say.....nothing, creating nothing. It's no more of a fairy tale to believe in the existence of an origin "Out of nowhere atom" creating the world than it is a "Out of nowhere God". Of course, if it's mentally easier to just try and explain "insecurity", then go right ahead~

why couldn't there have always be something? just in different forms. why does it need to start as nothing?
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#210 Trinitarian
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Is religion just a way of humans telling themselves that there is life after death? Do they only practice because they fear the endless void that could be death?

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This belief became the common explanation by popular atheist in the 19th or 20th century as a way to explain the universal need for humans to believe and and worship gods or a god. For instance, humans have learned how to deal with certain threats to their mortality by negotiation. If someone came at me with a gun i could bride them, beg for mercy, offer them half my estate and etc. However, how can you negotiate with a fire, flood, earthquake, disease, etc. So its thought that humans began to personify human attributes upon the forces of nature in hopes of trying to gain favor or protection from certain death. In the end theism, the belief in one god, was just the final progression of the process or evolution cause now you can just go to one god for all your problems and concerns.

To be fair there is merit in this idea because we can even see it in Christianity. In the "name it and claim it"groups by which they teach if you have enough faith you can call into existence health and wealth. Whereas a lack of faith means poverty and sickness can over take you and the crux of it all weights on you and not the sovereignty of God.

However, there is one thing these atheist did not take into account and that is humans fear something more than the forces of nature and that is the Holy. Holy being defined here is something that is different or other rather than moral purity. Many examples are found in scripture to illustrate what im saying here but none such story as the one where Jesus and his disciples were on the sea of Gaile and that violent storm threatento kill everyone on the boat while Jesus slept. After Jesus awoke He commanded the sea and storm to be still and it was so. However, whats interesting is the response of the disciples. They did not leap for joy for being saved by Jesus. Instead, it said "they became very MUCH AFRAID" for what "manner of man is this that can command the sea and the air and it obeys?" Humans have this process by which we evaluate and judge another human before us. It takes into account many things like height, weight, speech and so forth. Yet when they witnessed Jesus command the forces of nature by a mere word those mental process went hey wire, for never have they witnessthis form of power. This was something different and was other than anything they have ever witnessed before. There'salso a book by a secular philosopher named Rudolf Otto entitled The Idea of the Holy that is none Christian where he set out amongst the world to observe humans response to what the regarded as holy. Its an interesting read. Well that's my take.

Therefore, i agree with you in part, but it doesn't mean God does not exist, I believe he does for reasons that go beyond the worry of eternal damnation and of current survivability.