h0m0sexu@lity choice or born that way???

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="omho88"]

I hope you aren't agreeing wz him on "the animals can be gays so we can be as well" ..... I was like

I dun know about my friend, I would eventually accept it .... but I think my relation with him could be uch more limited ... I think.

omho88

I'm still waiting for that reason as to why you think gays are bad.

[QUOTE="omho88"][QUOTE="Ravensmash"] You were the one who brought nature into this debate. toast_burner

I'm still waiting for that reason as to why you think gays are bad.

In the end it just boils down to "I think it's icky what they do in private"

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="omho88"] I didn't mean, forests, animals ... I meant that part of ur incorrupted soul ... I dun know the term in english .. sorry.TheFlush

I'm still waiting for that reason as to why you think gays are bad.

In the end it just boils down to "I think it's icky what they do in private"

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="omho88"] I didn't mean, forests, animals ... I meant that part of ur incorrupted soul ... I dun know the term in english .. sorry.TheFlush

I'm still waiting for that reason as to why you think gays are bad.

In the end it just boils down to "I think it's icky what they do in private"

Why do I have to approve of and accept and like what they do? My duty as a citizen is not to harrass them or harm them and let them go about their lives. Which I do. I do not believe that they deserve the same monetary benifits (marriage) as a heterosexual couple though.

[QUOTE="TheFlush"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]Souls don't exist. you need to use facts if you are going to convince anyone.

I'm still waiting for that reason as to why you think gays are bad.

AdamPA1006

In the end it just boils down to "I think it's icky what they do in private"

Why do I have to approve of and accept and like what they do? My duty as a citizen is not to harrass them or harm them and let them go about their lives. Which I do. I do not believe that they deserve the same monetary benifits (marriage) as a heterosexual couple though.

[QUOTE="TheFlush"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]Souls don't exist. you need to use facts if you are going to convince anyone.

I'm still waiting for that reason as to why you think gays are bad.

AdamPA1006

In the end it just boils down to "I think it's icky what they do in private"

Why do I have to approve of and accept and like what they do? My duty as a citizen is not to harrass them or harm them and let them go about their lives. Which I do. I do not believe that they deserve the same monetary benifits (marriage) as a heterosexual couple though.

[QUOTE="TheFlush"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]Souls don't exist. you need to use facts if you are going to convince anyone.

I'm still waiting for that reason as to why you think gays are bad.

AdamPA1006

In the end it just boils down to "I think it's icky what they do in private"

Why do I have to approve of and accept and like what they do? My duty as a citizen is not to harrass them or harm them and let them go about their lives. Which I do. I do not believe that they deserve the same monetary benifits (marriage) as a heterosexual couple though.

How is not giving them monetary benefits harming them? I know there is necessary stuff in any relationship like hospital visitation rights, inheritance, etc, and all of this is possible to gay couples with a living will and naming the other your heir. They arent missing out on anything but the money.

How is not giving them monetary benefits harming them? I know there is necessary stuff in any relationship like hospital visitation rights, inheritance, etc, and all of this is possible to gay couples with a living will and naming the other your heir. They arent missing out on anything but the money.

AdamPA1006

opinions?

I for one think that both are true as nothing in nature is that black and white.

frannkzappa

I agree with you that this type if thing is hardly binary.

[QUOTE="TheFlush"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]Souls don't exist. you need to use facts if you are going to convince anyone.

I'm still waiting for that reason as to why you think gays are bad.

AdamPA1006

In the end it just boils down to "I think it's icky what they do in private"

Yes, there are a lot of things people do in private that I think are icky. But as long as they don't harm anyone with it, I won't deny them human and civil rights, I'm not going to tell them what they can't do.

I really really dislike religion, but I will be the last one to tell you you can't practice your religion. Freedom is valuable and we should treasure it. I will however come in action when someones supposed freedom is harming another ones freedom.

[QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]

How is not giving them monetary benefits harming them? I know there is necessary stuff in any relationship like hospital visitation rights, inheritance, etc, and all of this is possible to gay couples with a living will and naming the other your heir. They arent missing out on anything but the money.

DroidPhysX

How is not giving them monetary benefits harming them? I know there is necessary stuff in any relationship like hospital visitation rights, inheritance, etc, and all of this is possible to gay couples with a living will and naming the other your heir. They arent missing out on anything but the money.

AdamPA1006

You are misinformed, educate yourself.

How is not giving them monetary benefits harming them? I know there is necessary stuff in any relationship like hospital visitation rights, inheritance, etc, and all of this is possible to gay couples with a living will and naming the other your heir. They arent missing out on anything but the money.

AdamPA1006

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]

How is not giving them monetary benefits harming them? I know there is necessary stuff in any relationship like hospital visitation rights, inheritance, etc, and all of this is possible to gay couples with a living will and naming the other your heir. They arent missing out on anything but the money.

AdamPA1006

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]

How is not giving them monetary benefits harming them? I know there is necessary stuff in any relationship like hospital visitation rights, inheritance, etc, and all of this is possible to gay couples with a living will and naming the other your heir. They arent missing out on anything but the money.

AdamPA1006

[QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]

How is not giving them monetary benefits harming them? I know there is necessary stuff in any relationship like hospital visitation rights, inheritance, etc, and all of this is possible to gay couples with a living will and naming the other your heir. They arent missing out on anything but the money.

TheFlush

You are misinformed, educate yourself.

[QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]

How is not giving them monetary benefits harming them? I know there is necessary stuff in any relationship like hospital visitation rights, inheritance, etc, and all of this is possible to gay couples with a living will and naming the other your heir. They arent missing out on anything but the money.

Ace6301

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]

How is not giving them monetary benefits harming them? I know there is necessary stuff in any relationship like hospital visitation rights, inheritance, etc, and all of this is possible to gay couples with a living will and naming the other your heir. They arent missing out on anything but the money.

AdamPA1006

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]

How is not giving them monetary benefits harming them? I know there is necessary stuff in any relationship like hospital visitation rights, inheritance, etc, and all of this is possible to gay couples with a living will and naming the other your heir. They arent missing out on anything but the money.

AdamPA1006

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="AdamPA1006"] Where are you getting this idea from?AdamPA1006

Side, but relevant question: Do you believe DOMA (Defense of marriage act) should be legal?

I think that many people become predisposed to having homosexual tendencies at a young age. It seems to be the result of their psychological and emotional development being affected by some type of early influence, often trauma. I'm not sure if anyone is "born that way." If this is the case, it does not change the fact that many conditions that people are born with can be changed. I'm not saying that gay people shouldn't be allowed to live their lives the way that they want to. That's their right, unless God enforces otherwise. However, it is a disabilitiy. Being homosexual prevents people from naturally biologically procreating due to a mental condition.

I think that many people become predisposed to having homosexual tendencies at a young age. It seems to be the result of their psychological and emotional development being affected by some type of early influence, often trauma. I'm not sure if anyone is "born that way." If this is the case, it does not change the fact that many conditions that people are born with can be changed. I'm not saying that gay people shouldn't be allowed to live their lives the way that they want to. That's their right, unless God enforces otherwise. However, it is a disabilitiy. Being homosexual prevents people from naturally biologically procreating due to a mental condition.

hartsickdiscipl

I think that many people become predisposed to having homosexual tendencies at a young age. It seems to be the result of their psychological and emotional development being affected by some type of early influence, often trauma. I'm not sure if anyone is "born that way." If this is the case, it does not change the fact that many conditions that people are born with can be changed. I'm not saying that gay people shouldn't be allowed to live their lives the way that they want to. That's their right, unless God enforces otherwise. However, it is a disabilitiy. Being homosexual prevents people from naturally biologically procreating due to a mental condition.

hartsickdiscipl

What if gay people are actually aliens? Sent to spark up controversy so their overlords can begin their attack while we are distracted arguing over marriage?

What if gay people are actually aliens? Sent to spark up controversy so their overlords can begin their attack while we are distracted arguing over marriage?

DJ-Lafleur

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

I think that many people become predisposed to having homosexual tendencies at a young age. It seems to be the result of their psychological and emotional development being affected by some type of early influence, often trauma. I'm not sure if anyone is "born that way." If this is the case, it does not change the fact that many conditions that people are born with can be changed. I'm not saying that gay people shouldn't be allowed to live their lives the way that they want to. That's their right, unless God enforces otherwise. However, it is a disabilitiy. Being homosexual prevents people from naturally biologically procreating due to a mental condition.

l4dak47

Please explain how 2 men or 2 women can copulate and reproduce without some form of technological interference.

What if gay people are actually aliens? Sent to spark up controversy so their overlords can begin their attack while we are distracted arguing over marriage?

DJ-Lafleur

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

I think that many people become predisposed to having homosexual tendencies at a young age. It seems to be the result of their psychological and emotional development being affected by some type of early influence, often trauma. I'm not sure if anyone is "born that way." If this is the case, it does not change the fact that many conditions that people are born with can be changed. I'm not saying that gay people shouldn't be allowed to live their lives the way that they want to. That's their right, unless God enforces otherwise. However, it is a disabilitiy. Being homosexual prevents people from naturally biologically procreating due to a mental condition.

DroidPhysX

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

I think that many people become predisposed to having homosexual tendencies at a young age. It seems to be the result of their psychological and emotional development being affected by some type of early influence, often trauma. I'm not sure if anyone is "born that way." If this is the case, it does not change the fact that many conditions that people are born with can be changed. I'm not saying that gay people shouldn't be allowed to live their lives the way that they want to. That's their right, unless God enforces otherwise. However, it is a disabilitiy. Being homosexual prevents people from naturally biologically procreating due to a mental condition.

DroidPhysX

What if gay people are actually aliens? Sent to spark up controversy so their overlords can begin their attack while we are distracted arguing over marriage?

DJ-Lafleur

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

I think that many people become predisposed to having homosexual tendencies at a young age. It seems to be the result of their psychological and emotional development being affected by some type of early influence, often trauma. I'm not sure if anyone is "born that way." If this is the case, it does not change the fact that many conditions that people are born with can be changed. I'm not saying that gay people shouldn't be allowed to live their lives the way that they want to. That's their right, unless God enforces otherwise. However, it is a disabilitiy. Being homosexual prevents people from naturally biologically procreating due to a mental condition.

DroidPhysX

Maybe not in the sense that most people think of "God," but yes.. God is real.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

I think that many people become predisposed to having homosexual tendencies at a young age. It seems to be the result of their psychological and emotional development being affected by some type of early influence, often trauma. I'm not sure if anyone is "born that way." If this is the case, it does not change the fact that many conditions that people are born with can be changed. I'm not saying that gay people shouldn't be allowed to live their lives the way that they want to. That's their right, unless God enforces otherwise. However, it is a disabilitiy. Being homosexual prevents people from naturally biologically procreating due to a mental condition.

hartsickdiscipl

Please explain how 2 men or 2 women can copulate and reproduce without some form of technological interference.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

I think that many people become predisposed to having homosexual tendencies at a young age. It seems to be the result of their psychological and emotional development being affected by some type of early influence, often trauma. I'm not sure if anyone is "born that way." If this is the case, it does not change the fact that many conditions that people are born with can be changed. I'm not saying that gay people shouldn't be allowed to live their lives the way that they want to. That's their right, unless God enforces otherwise. However, it is a disabilitiy. Being homosexual prevents people from naturally biologically procreating due to a mental condition.

hartsickdiscipl

Maybe not in the sense that most people think of "God," but yes.. God is real.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="l4dak47"] Dude, they can still procreate. Also, what's with you and procreation? DroidPhysX

Please explain how 2 men or 2 women can copulate and reproduce without some form of technological interference.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

I think that many people become predisposed to having homosexual tendencies at a young age. It seems to be the result of their psychological and emotional development being affected by some type of early influence, often trauma. I'm not sure if anyone is "born that way." If this is the case, it does not change the fact that many conditions that people are born with can be changed. I'm not saying that gay people shouldn't be allowed to live their lives the way that they want to. That's their right, unless God enforces otherwise. However, it is a disabilitiy. Being homosexual prevents people from naturally biologically procreating due to a mental condition.

hartsickdiscipl

Please explain how 2 men or 2 women can copulate and reproduce without some form of technological interference.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="l4dak47"] Dude, they can still procreate. Also, what's with you and procreation? DroidPhysX

Please explain how 2 men or 2 women can copulate and reproduce without some form of technological interference.

Obviously not. They have a physical condition. Illnesses can be physical or mental, no? You have to play with the cards you're dealt to function best as a human being. If you're a male, you were dealt a penis testicles, and various other factors that make you a male. If you're a woman, you were dealt female reproductive organs chemical makeup.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

I think that many people become predisposed to having homosexual tendencies at a young age. It seems to be the result of their psychological and emotional development being affected by some type of early influence, often trauma. I'm not sure if anyone is "born that way." If this is the case, it does not change the fact that many conditions that people are born with can be changed. I'm not saying that gay people shouldn't be allowed to live their lives the way that they want to. That's their right, unless God enforces otherwise. However, it is a disabilitiy. Being homosexual prevents people from naturally biologically procreating due to a mental condition.

hartsickdiscipl

Please explain how 2 men or 2 women can copulate and reproduce without some form of technological interference.

hartsick implied all transgendered persons are also handicapped.

This is the part where you stop replying to him.

hartsick implied all transgendered persons are also handicapped.

This is the part where you stop replying to him.

Aljosa23

Now according to this logic old people or infertile couples shouldnt get married. The cases or really old people getting married are very few, and I dont think anyone would support a fertility test to get married. AdamPA1006

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="l4dak47"] Dude, they can still procreate. Also, what's with you and procreation? Ace6301

Please explain how 2 men or 2 women can copulate and reproduce without some form of technological interference.

You just demonstrated that a man and a woman have to have sex to reproduce. The 2 men or 2 women didn't procreate together, nor were their bodies designed to do so. Congratulations, you just proved my point. A person who uses their body the way it is clearly configured to be used is obviously entitled to help in reproduction, because they're trying to play with the cards they were dealt. People can change themselves from within without technological help. People can't change sexes without major surgery and ongoing treatments. You tell me which one is more healthy.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="l4dak47"] Dude, they can still procreate. Also, what's with you and procreation? l4dak47

Please explain how 2 men or 2 women can copulate and reproduce without some form of technological interference.

No, I'll continue using it. It keeps me up to speed on how messed up the world is.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Please explain how 2 men or 2 women can copulate and reproduce without some form of technological interference.

artsickdiscipl

Obviously not. They have a physical condition. Illnesses can be physical or mental, no? You have to play with the cards you're dealt to function best as a human being. If you're a male, you were dealt a penis testicles, and various other factors that make you a male. If you're a woman, you were dealt female reproductive organs chemical makeup.

But they cant reproduce without some interference

therefore they have a mental condition

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Please explain how 2 men or 2 women can copulate and reproduce without some form of technological interference.

hartsickdiscipl

You just demonstrated that a man and a woman have to have sex to reproduce. The 2 men or 2 women didn't procreate together, nor were their bodies designed to do so. Congratulations, you just proved my point. A person who uses their body the way it is clearly configured to be used is obviously entitled to help in reproduction, because they're trying to play with the cards they were dealt. People can change themselves from within without technological help. People can't change sexes without major surgery and ongoing treatments. You tell me which one is more healty.