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[QUOTE="omho88"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Well obviously you're not enforcing it since you're not in a position of power.If many people are offended/hurt by that, why not? like letting a drunken driving a car? why can't he? coz he/she will hurt others. Same sex relations are not comparable to drunk driving. Not even close. There's always a second party that has not consented to the violent act inflicted upon them by the responsible party. I mean, it's just not comparable at all. They are in no way similar. not true, let's assume the 2nd party dropped all the charges, the drunken driver will still be charged for it ...right?However you did say you'd rather gay people "be gay in their own homes and that generally there should be restrictions for taboos like homosexuality.
Lockedge
[QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="omho88"] I am a rebel too in my own way ... but rebelling on everything isn't really my thing ,,, I dun rebel for the sake or rebelling .... I do it when I see that the world can be better when this thing changes to that ,,,, I dun really see how the world can be a better place if we allowed same sex marriage for example !!!omho88
I can understand why you think that way, but it's all coming from the fact that we have differing perspectives on this. You're seeing same sex couples as a whole, as a collective mass. It's a lot different to be friends (or family) with gay or lesbian individuals, and to see how such things would affect their lives, their happiness. If you scaled it down to an individual level, it would be easier to sympathize, to see that they're like you, just with one aspect of their identity being different. It's harder to wonder what the benefits of same sex marriage on society would be if you don't have that personal connection. It's a lot easier to chalk it up as a choice when you aren't there to understand how much they can be hurt by such assertions, but the stigma surrounding their sexuality, surrounding all LGBT individuals.
I've had friends break down in my living room, weeping and angry at themselves for not being able to attracted to the opposite sex or feeling foreign in their own bodies, for being disowned by their families for a single aspect of themselves. I've visited a friend in the hospital (no serious injuries, luckily) after he was attacked by someone for being gay Friends of mine, as well as myself I suppose, have experienced great difficult getting housing because of aspects of ourselves that are 'deviant'. I've had friends who have broken under the pressure of coming out in a...more permanent way.
The opinion that people shouldn't be 'publically gay is fine enough when it remains an opinion. However, there are those in this world who sitr crap up and get people angry about LGBT people, and suddenly those opinions get infused with a bit of hatred and anger. LGBT people are afforded less humanity and are seen not as individuals, but as a collective, and sometimes as a physical representation of an agenda. That kind of twisted opinion is what puts people like my friend in the hospital, it's what urges parents to kick their own children out or abuse them.
It's not as simple as "Eh, I'm not comfortable with the gays, so I don't want society to support them. I'm fine with them, I just don't want to see that stuff in public." That kind of thinking infuses how society works, and it harms people. It tells them they're less capable of loving, they're less worthy of love, they're not capable of being decent human beings, they're exual deviants and sexual predators, etc. We can decide whether or not to listen to them, but only to an extent. We don't hold a lot of power, and we can be bullied around pretty easily.
The world would be a better place if more people treated people as individuals, and understood that love is a great universal thing that brings happiness, and that there are variations in how it can be expressed.
I do feel sorry for this kind of accidents, I do wish they could stop .... I dun wish for anyone to be hurt, but gays should know they are different, they should accept it and live accordingly ... some extremists believe they should be excuted/die or wutever but I dun think this would be a cure, it's my respect for their humanity that makes me against their death, but I still believe restrictions should be put to this kind of behaviour. I am sorry but I really dun understand the idea of such kind of love to a man :? . You don't understand something, therefore you want them gone? What kind of logic is that? I don't understand you, therefore you should be gone.[QUOTE="omho88"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]A man frensh kissing a man ..... keep holding this thought and tell me what you feel !!!! What do you think of how a a gay couple could raise a child ?! I'm disgusted by heterosexuals groping/making out in public. So maybe heterosexuality should be banned. Provided the vague gay couple are good parents, why shouldn't they raise a child? If the majority of the society agrees wz you, then let's ban it .... I live in Egypt, these kind fo stuff are already banned, coz the society doesn't approve it. I dun see how can a gay couple be good perants !!!! at least on their son sexuality ?!!!equal except they aren't allowed to be seen outdoors or raise children.
I don't think you understand what equality means.
Ring_of_fire
[QUOTE="omho88"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]A man frensh kissing a man ..... keep holding this thought and tell me what you feel !!!! What do you think of how a a gay couple could raise a child ?! I know a doctor in Massachusetts whose parents were lesbians. He used to be a regular here on gamespot. Left a few years back. Nice guy, really well adjusted. As for the thought of two men french kissing, I'm assuming they're taking pleasure from the act at the very least. At most, they're in love and showing their mutual affection, and that would warm my heart :) Good for him, but I really dun think that a single good example is gonna cut it !!!equal except they aren't allowed to be seen outdoors or raise children.
I don't think you understand what equality means.
Lockedge
[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"][QUOTE="omho88"] A man frensh kissing a man ..... keep holding this thought and tell me what you feel !!!! What do you think of how a a gay couple could raise a child ?! omho88I'm disgusted by heterosexuals groping/making out in public. So maybe heterosexuality should be banned. Provided the vague gay couple are good parents, why shouldn't they raise a child? If the majority of the society agrees wz you, then let's ban it .... I live in Egypt, these kind fo stuff are already banned, coz the society doesn't approve it. I dun see how can a gay couple be good perants !!!! at least on their son sexuality ?!!!
What the hell are you talking about?
What makes you think a gay couple would make bad parents?
I do feel sorry for this kind of accidents, I do wish they could stop .... I dun wish for anyone to be hurt, but gays should know they are different, they should accept it and live accordingly ... some extremists believe they should be excuted/die or wutever but I dun think this would be a cure, it's my respect for their humanity that makes me against their death, but I still believe restrictions should be put to this kind of behaviour. I am sorry but I really dun understand the idea of such kind of love to a man :? .omho88
The thing is, these things aren't accidents. They're conscious or reflexive decisions made by people.
And gay people, and all LGBT people understand to a degree that we're different. That's not a bad thing, though. It's okay to be different. Without difference, the world would be a boring place.
Like I said, if you can't find a way to understand it, then you're obviously not going to be on the same page. I mean, I just think that with how dark and dreary and crappy this world can be, finding love is a wonderful joy. Someone to have a personal connection with...it's a beautiful thing. Probably the best thing anyone can have in this world. Everyone in the world can find love, that's one of the great things about humanity's potential. If you can divorce your understanding of love from what's between people's legs, you might be able to see that. We're all a lot more similar than we are different.
A man frensh kissing a man ..... keep holding this thought and tell me what you feel !!!! What do you think of how a a gay couple could raise a child ?![QUOTE="omho88"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]
equal except they aren't allowed to be seen outdoors or raise children.
I don't think you understand what equality means.
toast_burner
1) turned on. But ragardless of that why do you think it would be ok for a straight couple to french kiss in public?
2) A gay couple can raise a child just like any other couple. Why is it ok for single parents to raise kids but not two loving parents?
1-I am not really wz the straight couple kissing either !! let alone a gay couple kisssing !! 2-Normally 2 normal parents raise a child, a single parents, gays ...etc are deviation from the normal thing, that's why I am against premarital relationships..... and a single normal individual is better than 2 gay individuals?!![QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="omho88"] A man frensh kissing a man ..... keep holding this thought and tell me what you feel !!!! What do you think of how a a gay couple could raise a child ?! omho88
1) turned on. But ragardless of that why do you think it would be ok for a straight couple to french kiss in public?
2) A gay couple can raise a child just like any other couple. Why is it ok for single parents to raise kids but not two loving parents?
1-I am not really wz the straight couple kissing either !! let alone a gay couple kisssing !! 2-Normally 2 normal parents raise a child, a single parents, gays ...etc are deviation from the normal thing, that's why I am against premarital relationships..... and a single normal individual is better than 2 gay individuals?!!1) what difference does it make if they're gay or not.
2) So you don't have a reason? Contrary to popular belief, ignorance is not bliss.
[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Well obviously you're not enforcing it since you're not in a position of power.[QUOTE="omho88"] I meant I am not enforcing it, it's the society when most of it share an idea or a believe, they will act to achieve what they believe.omho88
However you did say you'd rather gay people "be gay in their own homes and that generally there should be restrictions for taboos like homosexuality.
If many people are offended/hurt by that, why not? like letting a drunken driving a car? why can't he? coz he/she will hurt others.So you always follow what many people think?Invalid comparison. Homosexuality doesnt hurt anyone, like drunk driving potentially does.
[QUOTE="omho88"][QUOTE="Lockedge"]I do feel sorry for this kind of accidents, I do wish they could stop .... I dun wish for anyone to be hurt, but gays should know they are different, they should accept it and live accordingly ... some extremists believe they should be excuted/die or wutever but I dun think this would be a cure, it's my respect for their humanity that makes me against their death, but I still believe restrictions should be put to this kind of behaviour. I am sorry but I really dun understand the idea of such kind of love to a man :? . You don't understand something, therefore you want them gone? What kind of logic is that? I don't understand you, therefore you should be gone. Gone as in ?!!!!I can understand why you think that way, but it's all coming from the fact that we have differing perspectives on this. You're seeing same sex couples as a whole, as a collective mass. It's a lot different to be friends (or family) with gay or lesbian individuals, and to see how such things would affect their lives, their happiness. If you scaled it down to an individual level, it would be easier to sympathize, to see that they're like you, just with one aspect of their identity being different. It's harder to wonder what the benefits of same sex marriage on society would be if you don't have that personal connection. It's a lot easier to chalk it up as a choice when you aren't there to understand how much they can be hurt by such assertions, but the stigma surrounding their sexuality, surrounding all LGBT individuals.
I've had friends break down in my living room, weeping and angry at themselves for not being able to attracted to the opposite sex or feeling foreign in their own bodies, for being disowned by their families for a single aspect of themselves. I've visited a friend in the hospital (no serious injuries, luckily) after he was attacked by someone for being gay Friends of mine, as well as myself I suppose, have experienced great difficult getting housing because of aspects of ourselves that are 'deviant'. I've had friends who have broken under the pressure of coming out in a...more permanent way.
The opinion that people shouldn't be 'publically gay is fine enough when it remains an opinion. However, there are those in this world who sitr crap up and get people angry about LGBT people, and suddenly those opinions get infused with a bit of hatred and anger. LGBT people are afforded less humanity and are seen not as individuals, but as a collective, and sometimes as a physical representation of an agenda. That kind of twisted opinion is what puts people like my friend in the hospital, it's what urges parents to kick their own children out or abuse them.
It's not as simple as "Eh, I'm not comfortable with the gays, so I don't want society to support them. I'm fine with them, I just don't want to see that stuff in public." That kind of thinking infuses how society works, and it harms people. It tells them they're less capable of loving, they're less worthy of love, they're not capable of being decent human beings, they're exual deviants and sexual predators, etc. We can decide whether or not to listen to them, but only to an extent. We don't hold a lot of power, and we can be bullied around pretty easily.
The world would be a better place if more people treated people as individuals, and understood that love is a great universal thing that brings happiness, and that there are variations in how it can be expressed.
l4dak47
[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"][QUOTE="omho88"] not true, let's assume the 2nd party dropped all the charges, the drunken driver will still be charged for it ...right?omho88You're missing the point that you're making a horrible analogy. There are no inherent dangers to same sex couples to bystanders. Drunk driving, there is. To the individuals (aside from health hazards), but on the society .... I believe it's not ok, and for the 100000th times, if the society accpeted them, so be it ... I will never see this happening tho, at least where I live.Health hazards related to homosexuality exclusively?
[QUOTE="omho88"][QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"] I'm disgusted by heterosexuals groping/making out in public. So maybe heterosexuality should be banned. Provided the vague gay couple are good parents, why shouldn't they raise a child?l4dak47If the majority of the society agrees wz you, then let's ban it .... I live in Egypt, these kind fo stuff are already banned, coz the society doesn't approve it. I dun see how can a gay couple be good perants !!!! at least on their son sexuality ?!!! Using the majority argument, really?
So the society was wrong on couple of things before .... so what ?!!! that doesn't mean discarding our traditions and customs .... otherwise, our sick desires would be all over the place, dun you think?
[QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="omho88"] If many people are offended/hurt by that, why not? like letting a drunken driving a car? why can't he? coz he/she will hurt others.omho88Same sex relations are not comparable to drunk driving. Not even close. There's always a second party that has not consented to the violent act inflicted upon them by the responsible party. I mean, it's just not comparable at all. They are in no way similar. not true, let's assume the 2nd party dropped all the charges, the drunken driver will still be charged for it ...right?
You're comparing apples to oranges...
If the majority of the society agrees wz you, then let's ban it .... I live in Egypt, these kind fo stuff are already banned, coz the society doesn't approve it. I dun see how can a gay couple be good perants !!!! at least on their son sexuality ?!!![QUOTE="omho88"][QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"] I'm disgusted by heterosexuals groping/making out in public. So maybe heterosexuality should be banned. Provided the vague gay couple are good parents, why shouldn't they raise a child?toast_burner
What the hell are you talking about?
What makes you think a gay couple would make bad parents?
Common sense !!![QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="omho88"] If the majority of the society agrees wz you, then let's ban it .... I live in Egypt, these kind fo stuff are already banned, coz the society doesn't approve it. I dun see how can a gay couple be good perants !!!! at least on their son sexuality ?!!!omho88
What the hell are you talking about?
What makes you think a gay couple would make bad parents?
Common sense !!!Odd since common sense would indicate that you're wrong, so maybe you mean "lack of common sense"[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="omho88"] If the majority of the society agrees wz you, then let's ban it .... I live in Egypt, these kind fo stuff are already banned, coz the society doesn't approve it. I dun see how can a gay couple be good perants !!!! at least on their son sexuality ?!!!omho88
What the hell are you talking about?
What makes you think a gay couple would make bad parents?
Common sense !!!Too bad there's no anti-stupidity tradition in society.You'd be f*cked.
I don't know why don't you ask a homosexual, I think its something they are just born with. As humans our one main instint is to reproduce and spread our genes so I think liking the opposite sex is hardcoded in our dna. Sometimes the code doesn't compile right and guys/girls are just attracted to their same gender. Nothing wrong with that and I never seen a straight person just change their sexual preference over night. They are bi for a while and decide which gender they prefer more.
Ah yes here we go, morons comparing homosexuality to beastiality, incest and pedophilia..[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]
Just because you claim to be born a certain way doenst mean society has to bend to it. Pedophiles, Sexual attraction towards animals, attraction to brother or sister.....
thegerg
It's really not that moronic. Sompe people are just attracted to things that society labels deviant.
No It really is moronic.. Beastility and pedophilia involve parties that cannot consent legally.. One is a form of animal abuse, and the other is sexual abuse of a child who cannot consent.. Pedophilia, furthermore, not only has certain biological risks but is usually always some form of abuse.. So yet again, any one who tries to compares these.. Are in fact morons.
If many people are offended/hurt by that, why not? like letting a drunken driving a car? why can't he? coz he/she will hurt others.So you always follow what many people think?[QUOTE="omho88"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Well obviously you're not enforcing it since you're not in a position of power.
However you did say you'd rather gay people "be gay in their own homes and that generally there should be restrictions for taboos like homosexuality.
Teenaged
Invalid comparison. Homosexuality doesnt hurt anyone, like drunk driving potentially does.
It hurts me to see gay couple of the street .... if you are fine with it, it's ok .... just don't show it infront of me.[QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="omho88"] If many people are offended/hurt by that, why not? like letting a drunken driving a car? why can't he? coz he/she will hurt others.omho88Same sex relations are not comparable to drunk driving. Not even close. There's always a second party that has not consented to the violent act inflicted upon them by the responsible party. I mean, it's just not comparable at all. They are in no way similar. not true, let's assume the 2nd party dropped all the charges, the drunken driver will still be charged for it ...right?
Your avatar pretty much summarises how I look when reading your posts.. "Wut?".
To the individuals (aside from health hazards), but on the society .... I believe it's not ok, and for the 100000th times, if the society accpeted them, so be it ... I will never see this happening tho, at least where I live.Health hazards related to homosexuality exclusively? More likely in homosexual .[QUOTE="omho88"][QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"] You're missing the point that you're making a horrible analogy. There are no inherent dangers to same sex couples to bystanders. Drunk driving, there is.Teenaged
Common sense !!!Odd since common sense would indicate that you're wrong, so maybe you mean "lack of common sense" I love when I see someone play wz words this way .... you got the point, I am not explaining any further, I am tired of typeing :D .[QUOTE="omho88"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]
What the hell are you talking about?
What makes you think a gay couple would make bad parents?
toast_burner
[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Health hazards related to homosexuality exclusively? More likely in homosexual . Wrong. STD's can happen to heterosexual partners as well, that's why it's always good to be sure that your body is in good health, that the environment you are having sex in is clean and that you yourself are also clean. That applies to heterosexual, homosexual and so on.[QUOTE="omho88"] To the individuals (aside from health hazards), but on the society .... I believe it's not ok, and for the 100000th times, if the society accpeted them, so be it ... I will never see this happening tho, at least where I live.omho88
not true, let's assume the 2nd party dropped all the charges, the drunken driver will still be charged for it ...right?[QUOTE="omho88"][QUOTE="Lockedge"] Same sex relations are not comparable to drunk driving. Not even close. There's always a second party that has not consented to the violent act inflicted upon them by the responsible party. I mean, it's just not comparable at all. They are in no way similar. sSubZerOo
Your avatar pretty much summarises how I look when reading your posts.. "Wut?".
lool, what that you dun understand the analogy or the example itself ?!! for the record, we all look like my avatar rightnow.[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="omho88"] If the majority of the society agrees wz you, then let's ban it .... I live in Egypt, these kind fo stuff are already banned, coz the society doesn't approve it. I dun see how can a gay couple be good perants !!!! at least on their son sexuality ?!!!omho88
What the hell are you talking about?
What makes you think a gay couple would make bad parents?
Common sense !!! Can you explain this common sense?[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="omho88"] not true, let's assume the 2nd party dropped all the charges, the drunken driver will still be charged for it ...right?omho88
Your avatar pretty much summarises how I look when reading your posts.. "Wut?".
lool, what that you dun understand the analogy or the example itself ?!! for the record, we all look like my avatar rightnow. No I understand the analogy, but clearly YOU don't or you wouldn't have used such a ridiculous comparison..[QUOTE="Teenaged"]So you always follow what many people think?[QUOTE="omho88"] If many people are offended/hurt by that, why not? like letting a drunken driving a car? why can't he? coz he/she will hurt others.omho88
Invalid comparison. Homosexuality doesnt hurt anyone, like drunk driving potentially does.
It hurts me to see gay couple of the street .... if you are fine with it, it's ok .... just don't show it infront of me.It hurts you?:lol:
[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Health hazards related to homosexuality exclusively? More likely in homosexual .It doesnt really matter if its not exclusive to homosexuals. Because then its unlikely that there's any causation.[QUOTE="omho88"] To the individuals (aside from health hazards), but on the society .... I believe it's not ok, and for the 100000th times, if the society accpeted them, so be it ... I will never see this happening tho, at least where I live.omho88
But anyway I'm done discussing with you. I'll just taunt you from now, if my allergy kicks in.
But this is something as benign as sexual relations between consenting adults. Is it wrong for those people to act on it, if no harm comes from it? I don't understand the psychopath analogy tbh.it's a choice to act on it. People can be born as psychopaths, but it's a choice to make those actions just the same.
lowkey254
[QUOTE="Teenaged"]So you always follow what many people think?[QUOTE="omho88"] If many people are offended/hurt by that, why not? like letting a drunken driving a car? why can't he? coz he/she will hurt others.omho88
Invalid comparison. Homosexuality doesnt hurt anyone, like drunk driving potentially does.
It hurts me to see gay couple of the street .... if you are fine with it, it's ok .... just don't show it infront of me.It physically hurts you?
Sorry, you don't have the right to force others not to do something because it hurts your feelings.
More likely in homosexual .It doesnt really matter if its not exclusive to homosexuals. Because then its unlikely that there's any causation.[QUOTE="omho88"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Health hazards related to homosexuality exclusively?
Teenaged
But anyway I'm done discussing with you. I'll just taunt you from now, if my allergy kicks in.
Finally you noticed that I have been ignoring ur posts ..... good for me then[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="thegerg"]
It's really not that moronic. Sompe people are just attracted to things that society labels deviant.
thegerg
No It really is moronic.. Beastility and pedophilia involve parties that cannot consent legally.. One is a form of animal abuse, and the other is sexual abuse of a child who cannot consent.. Pedophilia, furthermore, not only has certain biological risks but is usually always some form of abuse.. So yet again, any one who tries to compares these.. Are in fact morons.
A comparison is being drawn between to what people are attracted, not to their actions or the impact of their actions. Someone being sexually attracted to one of the same sex certainly can be compared, in an unmoronic way, to one being sexually attracted to a child. And heterosexuality also, obviously?It hurts me to see gay couple of the street .... if you are fine with it, it's ok .... just don't show it infront of me.[QUOTE="omho88"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]So you always follow what many people think?
Invalid comparison. Homosexuality doesnt hurt anyone, like drunk driving potentially does.
SpartanMSU
It physically hurts you?
Sorry, you don't have the right to force others not to do something because it hurts your feelings.
psyhcologically for a start. I assume that I am not the only one who gets offended by it, that's when the minority kindly do what they want at home not in public.[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"][QUOTE="omho88"] It hurts me to see gay couple of the street .... if you are fine with it, it's ok .... just don't show it infront of me.omho88
It physically hurts you?
Sorry, you don't have the right to force others not to do something because it hurts your feelings.
psyhcologically for a start. I assume that I am not the only one who gets offended by it, that's when the minority kindly do what they want at home not in public. Why does it offend you psychologically? Should gay couples be locked up in their houses and only allowed out when the sun goes down?[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"][QUOTE="omho88"] It hurts me to see gay couple of the street .... if you are fine with it, it's ok .... just don't show it infront of me.omho88
It physically hurts you?
Sorry, you don't have the right to force others not to do something because it hurts your feelings.
psyhcologically for a start. I assume that I am not the only one who gets offended by it, that's when the minority kindly do what they want at home not in public.So if somebody has a phobia of beards, then beards should be illegal?
You're the one with the problem, so it's you who should change.
psyhcologically for a start. I assume that I am not the only one who gets offended by it, that's when the minority kindly do what they want at home not in public.[QUOTE="omho88"][QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]
It physically hurts you?
Sorry, you don't have the right to force others not to do something because it hurts your feelings.
toast_burner
So if somebody has a phobia of beards, then beards should be illegal?
You're the one with the problem, so it's you who should change.
Seriously ..... beards VS gays !!! I have abetter anaolog gays VS incest !!!! if you really do accept gays, then do you accept incest ?!!![QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="omho88"] psyhcologically for a start. I assume that I am not the only one who gets offended by it, that's when the minority kindly do what they want at home not in public.omho88
So if somebody has a phobia of beards, then beards should be illegal?
You're the one with the problem, so it's you who should change.
Seriously ..... beards VS gays !!! I have abetter anaolog gays VS incest !!!! if you really do accept gays, then do you accept incest ?!!! A guy growing a beard has just as much impact on me as a couple kissing in publicI don't see why incest should be illegal as long as they are both of the age of consent.
[QUOTE="omho88"][QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]psyhcologically for a start. I assume that I am not the only one who gets offended by it, that's when the minority kindly do what they want at home not in public. Why does it offend you psychologically? Should gay couples be locked up in their houses and only allowed out when the sun goes down? Well, I didn't say that .... it's complicated ... I dun really have a complete picture of what gays should look like in the society ... but nowhere near a normal couple .... I know this doesn't make alot of sense but that's all I got for now.It physically hurts you?
Sorry, you don't have the right to force others not to do something because it hurts your feelings.
Ravensmash
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